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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:56:56 +0000
Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded

> progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe.  Ian Stuart reported its
> arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov.  Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days
> later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later.  Where
> there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome!

My "free gift when you subscribe to LRO" arrived yesterday -- only 5 days 
after I posted the cheque -- not bad!

I guess that now makes me a a member of 4 clubs:

lro@team.net
Scottish Land Rover Owners Club
International Off-Road Club
Club Off-Road

:-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
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Date: 08 Nov 94 08:30:47 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject:  Radiator and Carb problems

Joseph:

A radiator shop can probably solder (you don't braze a radiator -- brazing is
far too hot) a new filler cap tube for you.  Failing that, they can solder a new
top tank on the radiator.  Any decent radiator shop should be able to help you.
FYI, have the radiator pressure tested after the work is done -- again any
decent radiator shop can do this.

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:09:52 -0500 (EST)

> With something of a personal interest at stake, I've been noting the
> progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe.  Ian Stuart reported its
> arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov.  Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days
> later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later.  Where
> there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome!

	December LRW arrived in Ottawa yesterday, or at least my
	neck of the Ottawa region.  I do like the colour photo
	of the big green beastie between the 110 and the restored
	'67 IIA Station Wagon (note the III front end...) at 
	the British Invasion at Stowe (p. 111).  It has, er, character.  	

> On another happy note about LRW, the new editor (Alan Kidd) sent
> a form letter to Solihull Society (Colorado club)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> one of the last cities in the US that still has rival newspapers
> slugging it out.)

	LRW has offered a discount to members of OVLR, The Toronto Club,
	Bay State members that I know of so far.  They are also sending
	a complimentary subscription to these clubs.

> p.58-59 spread:  Ophir Pass, Colorado.  Those who were there will
> note that the traffic is going the wrong way.  Well, darn, it was 1992
> again!  And participants won't recognize the vehicles, especially the
> ambulance, and the S1 (the article clearly notes there were no S1s in
> '94!)

	AN excellent article.  Were the photos that you supplied on slides,
	or were they on paper?

> Speaking of babes .. y'all check out the cover story in LRW.

	Not bad... :-)

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 09:04:36 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Disco skid plates - Still have them?

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Disco skid plates - Still have them?
Has anyone determined if the D-90 skid plates will fit a Discovery? If
they will, I am interested in obtaining them. Who ever it was that had
them from a D-90, could you please let me know if you still have them,
and price??

Thanks, Dave Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona USA

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Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 10:46:52 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Stainless

Stainless fixings are the way to go, especially anywhere near the exhaust.
Even better is to put "Helicoil" or "Qualizert" stainless thread inserts
into the cast iron exhaust manifold.  Last time I changed an exhaust/intake
gasket, I changed all the fixings over to stainless and even used
copper-bassed, marine anti-seize on all threads.  If you've ever had a stud
break off in the block, you will take expensive prevenative measures to
avoid the same repeat experience.  About the only place I *don't* use
stainless is in the prop shaft bolts where Grade 8 steel is called for.

When I rebuilt the engine 5+ years ago, I used a stainless exhaust system I
got from RN, *except* for the front pipe which was regular steel and
relatively new (at that time).  Curiously, it appears to be in better
condition than the stainless.  Only recently, the intermediate pipe broke
at one of the flanges (clean as you could cut it with a pipe cutter).
Since I was at Mike's farm (rally site) he welded it up with his MIG.  The
flanges are mild (carbon) steel while the pipes appear to be Type 304
(active) stainless steel.

And Tom...I got LRW on Monday the 7th...niece piece on the national.  I
sent Alan Kidd a list of names and addresses of all of the North America
clubs two months ago.

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:05:17 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Women WhoLike to Get Dirty

It looks like I made a mistake in crossing the threads of washing Land Rovers 
and Land Rovers as a babe magnet as it has taken on a grizley life of its own.

They warned us not to cross threads in Ghost busters.  And as was predicted, 
terrible unpredictable things have happened and part of the ectoplasmic backlash
is splashing up in mail ques around the world.

If I just had not made this mistake, I would not have to live with the 
consiquences.  I guess I now know what Dr Frankinstien thought aftrewards.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Disco skid plates - Still have them?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:47:19 EST

Dave Brown asks:
> Has anyone determined if the D-90 skid plates will fit a Discovery? If
> they will, I am interested in obtaining them. Who ever it was that had
> them from a D-90, could you please let me know if you still have them,
> and price??

I had mentioned that someone I knew had the stock skid plate plus a 
custom-made one on his 90.  Bill Maloney suggested that there wouldn't
be a problem fitting the 90 skidplate on a Disco.  I've never seen
a 90 and a disco side by side and made the comparison.  For price, I
suggest you conact your dealer (the custom one was made by the guys
brother so I suspect the price was right).

rd/nigel

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:10:32 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: cross country trip in rover

Howdy rover gang,

I've been a subscriber for a while and can now report that barring any
bizarre circumstances, I will be a rover owner on Nov 26.  I have made
arrangments to purchase a dormobile from the east coast land rover co in
camden maine.  Note that I live in california.

I have had the vehicle checked out by Ted Howard, of howards garage in
warren maine; by Jeff Aronson, newsletter editor of the rovers north
newsletter; and have gotten the opinion of myles murphy, rover person who
lives near camden.  All are in agreement that the vehicle is in very good
original condition. It has almost all the dormobile goodies (missing jerry
cans on front, water containers in rear cabinet).  It has a new in 1988
chassis. It has an OD, fw hubs.

I have plane tickets for my wife, son and me;  we plan to pick the thing up
in portland on the 26th then get to california by Dec 10 or so.  We plan to
go south, then west tentatively visiting a brother in law in austin texas,
cutting across NM and AZ then home.

I am potentially interested in meeting some of you rover folks along the
way.(as an aside, I met ben smith last june on his way home to NJ from
caltech.  Very nice to talk to him and meet a face behind the posts.  Plus,
I got to see him extract himself from a too overloaded 88!)  However, I
can't give much of a plan other than south from maine, bypassing NY city,
possibly stopping in DC, then KY (mammoth caves?)  then south and west
(memphis?  my wife, NOT an elvis fan wants for some bizarre reason to see
graceland;  We do have friends there anyway)  from there to austin?  go
through las vegas, out of there to death valley? then north to davis.  As
you can see, not much of a plan.

Thus far, we have a bunch of maps from AAA and a list of campgrounds from
KOA.  We plan on sleeping in the dormobile some days, motel other days.
same with cooking and eating.  we will have an ice chest (our own) and a
propane stove (in the dormobile).

>From perhaps uncle roger, jan fisk, ben smith, maloney and everyone else,
any suggestions for what to carry as far as tools and spares?  Any word
about a place called rovers west in tucson AZ?

Please post here or email me privately.  I will be making lists of
suggestions and can post summaries.

thanks,

PS  I have a couple of photos on my mac that I have made available to greg
hiner for his www site.  they include one of the dormobile, one of a series
I, one of a 90 county.  I will probably be scanning more but for now, if
youhave the ability, ftp to 128.120.81.21  login as rover, password
aluminum.  Please do not do this during 9-5 west coast time.  I will try to
remember to leave the computer on at night.

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me 916 752 8520
University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
Davis, CA                         or leave me alone, your choice.

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:45:01 -0800
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick)
Subject: looking high and low...

...for a rover. I have been over here in the UK for over a month, and still
no rover. I have looked at a few and am waiting for some info on some
others.

I saw a nice 1960 88" soft top that was sort of original with a nice
chassis and recent spray. Parts of that one looked as though it was just a
quick job, i.e., the footwell repairs were kind of rough, the spring on the
diff lock knob was rusty, and the plastic boot on the shifter was just
paited over. The steering box?? under the front right wing (rhd) was rotten
through. But the chassis is really pretty nice. This one comes with a full
soft top and also a hard top & safari door.

This weekend I saw a 1960 88" truck cab that has been owned by an
enthusiast for a while. He stripped it down to the chassis and repaired
everything. I think this one is a better rover, but I don't want to get a
truck cab, and I'm not sure on the cost of converting the truck cab to a
station wagon (hard top).

I have more leads to follow up, but I am anxious to start rovering around.

Jimmy Patrick
jimmyp@netcom.com                                 work  0344-382114
jimmyp@rahul.net

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:39:27 -0500
Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers

SWM, SWB looking for SF, SWB or LWB, interested in land rover repair, driving
around without my top, and leaking fluids. I'm somewhat rusty and in need of
new rubber, can I show you my layshaft?

What, isn't this alt.singles.dirty rover chicks?

Spenny
Silli Spenni (Sorri, Sali)

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
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1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:46:11 GMT-0930
Subject:       Stainless Bolts and things

Stainless bolts etc can be a good idea, but as was indicated the 
other day, they can work loose. Of course they shoudn't really. They 
do because of the temperature dependant expansion differential of 
different metals. so e.g. the exhaust mainfold expands at a different 
rate than do the stainless bolts holding it on, therefore it works 
loose.
Just a thought to keep in mind. My own opinion is that stainlessis 
O.K., but don't get carried away with it. Everything has a worthwhile 
application, use common sense.
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:35:34 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Status of my 109

I visited my 109 Saturday.  I got to see all the dirt and timing chain parts in 
the oil pan.  The outer sleave of the cross links were breaking off and falling 
into the pan.  Luckily the chain held together.  Scotty showed me the filler 
tube with the baffle still attached.  There was a thin layer of dirt at the 
lower edge of the baffle left over from it being poured down the filler tube.  A
particle had gotten past the filter & clogged the very fine hole in the timing 
chain tensioner keeping it from extending to keep the chain tight.  The 
tensioner gears have been sharpened from the flailing chain.  That accounts for 
the long thin shavings I found in the oil filter.

The good news is that the crank, cam & followers are OK.  The engine has been 
cleaned out, except for the pan.  Replacement timing gears, chain & tensioner 
are ready to go into the engine.

The transmission is reassembled with a new lay shaft and ready to go back in.  
Hopefully before long, she will roar back to life.  While she is at Scottys. I 
have asked him to go over my swivel pins & make shure they are in like new 
condition.

Lets see... Fresh engine & transmission.. Diff rebuilt about 2 years ago, 
special soft steel axles (will not crystalize), like new front end, tie rods 
replaced about 5 years ago,.. Frame in very good condition, newish front & rear 
drive shafts, new radiator,  new clutch hydrolics and mechanicals from one end 
to the other, new power dual master brake, dual front petrol tanks, new rear 
petrol tank almost ready to be installed.... Mechanically she is almost sound, 
or will be soon.  I plan to replace all her brake lines and wheel cylinders in 
the next six to 8 months.  I have already had one line rust through.  I figure 
its time to replace them all.

Hmm she is just about mechanically sound.  Not bad for a completely worn out LR 
I had to tow home in '78.

I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my green 
109 facing me in the rain.  I was thinking how nice she looked with the white 
tropical top, and tyre mounted on a deluxe bonnet.  Her grill mounted headlamps 
looked so lovely under the gentle curve of the deluxe bonnet. Her new bumper 
with overriders at each end complimented the downward curve of the bonnet.  No 
fancy custom plate.  Just California historic plates, "7050".

My car was first sold in Eastern Canada.  When she was young, she immigrated to 
New Hampshire.  He owner died and a nephew in California inherited her.  She was
driven out to the west coast and went on the Western crafts faire circuit for a 
few years until she broke down and was towed home.  Her owner didn't know she 
need oil anywhere other than the engine.  He ran her until the rear diff ran out
of oil & broke, then on front wheel drive untill the transfer case ran out of 
oil and broke.  She sat in Boulder Creek, in the hills near Santa Cruz, for 
about 3 years before I rescued her and took care of her.  She faithfully worked 
for me, carying livestock, manure, firewood and feed; stringing fence, helping 
to build barns and more.  She has taken me on many of my best trips and has been
a very dependable helpmate over the years.

This is the longest we have been separated since I purchased her in '78.  
Staring at her, I suddenly realized she is both a dream machine and a freedom 
train.  I look at her and dream of long camping trips to senic locations, of 
meeting people and taking pictures.  I see her taking me away from everything 
dull and boring, taking me to adventure and beauty.  The thought that I could 
just load the camping gear, dog and camera into the Green rover and go looking 
for adventure at any time has been a great comfort.  Without her at my side the 
dreams are a little more unreal, and my life a little grayer.

Roger, how can you stand to have both your Land Rovers so far away?  Scotty told
me that you don't have a real place to keep them.  If I were you I would move to
a place where your Land ROvers could be at home.

I can't wait until she comes home.  Maybe she & I will celibrate by going on a 
short camping trip with Bear and the 4X5 camera.

Bring back, oh bring back, oh bring back my Rover to me, to me  My rover lies 
over at Scottys, My Rover lies far away, my Rover lies over at Scotty's, oh 
bring back my Rover to me.

Living off the deep end

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:55:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Gregory Brown <brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu>
Subject: Vinalhaven Rover

Mark,  You are indeed a gutsy man.  My brother-in-law, Jeff Case, went up 
and looked at that truck.  He didn't think it would ever leave the island 
in one (well it did stay connected) piece.  If you are interested there 
is a '69 IIA 88 (not a bugeye) for sale in York Harbor.  Jeff looked at 
it and feels it is in the $500-$700 dollar range, Rusty frame, boby is so 
so and the engine sounds rough, but it is all there.  The kid is asking   
$1500 for it but rumor has it he will take anything.  I can't confirm 
this.  Let me know if you want more info.
		*****************************
While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land 
Rover a Car or a Truck?  In my opinion anything that wades through 
streams, goes over mountains, blows thru mud bogs, hauls my firewood, 
etc. is a truck.  However, I have heard references to a Land Rover as a 
car.  (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject).  Well 
what are the opinions out there?

greg
'71 IIA 88, Never Washed Since I owned it.

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From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner)
Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:30:49 -0500 (EST)

> While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land 
> Rover a Car or a Truck?  In my opinion anything that wades through 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> car.  (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject).  Well 
> what are the opinions out there?

	Depends on jurisdiction.  There are Land Rovers here in Ottawa
	registered both as trucks and cars.  I have seen identical Land
	Rovers, one with a truck plate, the other with a car plate. 
	As I understand it in Ontario, if you know the vehicle weight and 
	say it is a car, it is registered that way.

	Rgds,

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:36:56 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers

>What's this?  Reverse discrimination?  Is such a service only going to
>allow ladies to date Land Rovers?  Some of the men could get pretty
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
>University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

You're right, of course.  Guys should be able to date Land Rovers too.  Heck, 
here in San Francisco, we'll probably see Land Rovers dating Land Rovers!  
(That's not allowed in Colorado, I know.)  And what about Land Rovers dating 
MGB's?  Should we be surprised if a Land Rover wants to date a BMW, now that 
the sale has taken place?  And what if my toaster wants to date my adjustable 
spanner?  When will it end? 

I'm determined to keep an open mind. 

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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