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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:20:36 -0700 (MST)

Uncle Roger writes:
 
< single.  Maybe we should start a Land Rover Dating Service?  

What's this?  Reverse discrimination?  Is such a service only going to
allow ladies to date Land Rovers?  Some of the men could get pretty
upset about this scheme.  But maybe not:  Steve Notajeep, Bill
Baloney, and Jon Pouet are already married to their Rovers, so they
wouldn't be eligible for the dating service.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 08:38:18 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Disco Skid Plates & Brit Marque

Russ & David asked about skidplates.    

A source that I believe supplies them for the Camel Trophy Vehicles is:

Southdown 4X4 Products (UK)
011 44 363 83819 Voice
011 44 363 83472 Fax
(This is dialing from the US - call before 7:00am your time to get economy 
rates if you use AT&T)

Russ is right.  They don't entirely cover the diff.  A hole is left at the 
bottom so that the plate is flush with the bottom of the diff.  This prevents 
a further loss of ground clearance due to the plate being beneath the diff.

Russ, I'm no skid plate SME, but I believe that the diff and trans plates from 
a 90 would fit a Disco (same axles & drivetrain).  I'm not sure about the 
steering rod skid plate.

IMHO, the front steering plate is the most valuable.  If you are treading 
thoughtfully, i.e. aware of your speed for the terrain and aware of where your 
diffs hang down and undercarriage clearance, those items should only get 
scraped from time to time.  The front steering rods are less forgiving 
(another time they might prove valuable is when fording a stream crossing you 
are unfamiliar with-which should be checked out anyway).

British Marque-

Just came this weekend.  There's a nice shot of Steve's "NOTAJEEP" with his 
learner's "L" on front, Jim Pappas' version of the British Invasion at Stowe, 
and a HILARIOUS account of the tug of war between the Rover Club and the Mini 
Club in the Mini section (OK, who went to the judges accusing the Mini team of 
hiding their cars in their pockets for added ballast against our ringers Clive 
and Chris Laws?)

Enough stuff for now.

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: 07 Nov 94 08:49:44 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Land Rover Dating Service

Uncle Roger Writes:

>There are a fair number of LRO's who are ladies; some of them are even 
>single.  Maybe we should start a Land Rover Dating Service?  

I can see the ad now "SIIa LWB owner seeks 88 military owner to round out
collection... send photo (of the Land Rover) to..."

R. P. Reid

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Date: 07 Nov 94 08:57:43 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stainless

Soren Writes:

>Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save time?

I use nothing but stainless hardware when restoring anything.  

I helped a guy do a 109 this past spring (total down to the last nut
restoration) and our bill for stainless hardware was in the hundreds of dollars
(about 400, if I remember right), but we replaced every nut and bolt of every
component we disassembled.  The only times we did not use stainless were on
things that were inside an oil bath or that were getting painted (ie
differential housing) where the paint would protect the bolt.

Similarly, I do the same any time I am working on my IIa (and have always used
stainless on motorcycles, other cars, etc.)

R. P. Reid

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Date: 07 Nov 94 09:05:01 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Naming -- How?

Roy Rovers writes:

>For some time I have been interested in the names and stories 
>of naming that you all have. 

Roy:

My Series IIa 88 Military is named the Sargeant Major... after the John Cleese
Characterization of the Sgt. Major in the Monty Python sketch entitled "How to
disarm an attacker armed with a Banana"  

It was a silly sketch.  Very silly, as a matter of fact.  Brought a whole new
meaning to the term silly. Though not quite as silly as "Crunchy Frog" and far
sillier than the "Upperclass Twit of the Year."   Being that silly, it seemed a
fitting name.

As for the plate... I have just applied for the plate "FLACK" which is what I
do... since I am a PR person.  (My other car is getting the plate SPIN DR)

Cheers,

R. P. Reid

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: New Defender 90
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:19:18 UNDEFINED

/About 90 frames. Does any one know what this factory wax junk injected
/into the frame feels like. The inside of both the RR, and the 90 frames
/feel like bare metal to me...

NEVER trust teh factory! Inect it yourself, then you know it's been done right!

        

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Women Who Like to Get Dirty
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:31:29 UNDEFINED

Women Who Like to Get Dirty

> There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" 
> magnet.  Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into 
> contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the 
> occasion...

/Hmmmm... what kind of attire do these women usually don?

> ...and in a mood to get dirty.

/There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a 
/rather attractive proposition.

I remember an olg girl freind who's idea of a great time was to change the 
oil, get covered in it, adn then be well soaped down afterwards............

Wonder what happened to her? Skin cancer, probably.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Washing a LR?
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:43:19 UNDEFINED

/gestapo's). I now park on a nearby side road with real trees. Come spring and
/summer, the trees will drip juice on the roof, which will hopefully 
/nurish the microscopic seeds that are in the air. I can have a regular 
/garden on the roof with green plants, flowers and perhaps a small tree. 

You can take ecology too far. When teh rubber floor liner in teh back of the
lorry wears out, I plane on Astroturfing it.

Thought I might do teh roof too.

Lawning it would be too much trouble.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: stainless fixings
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 9:53:02 EST

Soren asks:

none

Next time i change it will be the whole exhaust. The pipes will outlast at 
least one silencer so i will use stainless steel bolts and copperease at the
silencer flange. And perhaps on the manifold flange. Stainless bolts and nuts
can be 5 to 10 as expensive as regular ones, but i really find that it's a
resonable investment. 

I will also use stainless when i change springs and shocks. 

Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save time?

none

Nigel ('60 SII 88) has stainless fixings on his manifold-to-pipe connection and 
they are rustfree and clean as whistles.  They turn so freely they come loose.
A keen ear on the manifold tells me when its time to tighten them up.

rd/nige

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Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 09:04:04 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Different priorities...

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Different priorities...
Steven writes:

 I first saw this "artwork" at the ABP rally...A large group of guys were
 *carefully* examining the photo....several of the Rover widows came to
 peer over their sholders......they were really disgusted....the guys were
 ignoring the "neck-ed" lady and were checking out the ropes on the canvas
 roof....."So *that's* how they do that!" ...The ladies response?  "You
 guys are really *SICK*!"

This reminds me of a time when a bunch of guys at work were checking out a
"Snap On" tools calendar, with lots of beautiful women, when a gay guy
happened by and said "WOW! What a HUGE wrench!" and ALL of the guys had to
look again at the calendar to notice the three-foot (1 meter) wrench that
the girl was holding!

Sure enough... there WERE tools in that calendar! ;)

Have fun!

Dave Brown - "Tool watcher" NOT!

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
|   |   |  |             thing that ever has.
""O""""""O""                                            -Margaret Mead

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Trip thru the pond
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 8:14:52 PST

Saturday a friend of mine Rick came over, and we attempted to
drive the 90 thru the pond. The first attempted was unsuccessful
as we became lodged in the mud. The second attempt in a different location
was a little more successful. This time we did get to the middle of the
pond before getting stuck. At least we were able to wash out that
new car smell with some pond water. All in all it was a sucessful
afternoon. The winch on the R-rover comes in handy for extracting 
the 90 from the pond.

Russ Burns
91 Ranger Rover
94 Defender 90

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: rust.....
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 15:36:45 EST

> Lies! all  LIES!.......well maybe a *litte* truth to this....

If I were tooling about in upstate NY along rt 20, rt 5, or the
interstate, and I came across a VW towing some wretched 109
on a flatbed with sparks and diesel fuel spewing about, I'd
of ONLY figured it had to be one of you two HOOLIGANS!

Aren't there cops up thataway that are supposed to be keeping
our highways and biways safe and secure for all??

safety first,
rd/nigel

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Date:         Mon, 07 Nov 94 16:27:16 LCL
From: Joseph Broach <PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Radiator and Carb problems

     While waiting for the oil to drain, I took a peek down the radiator and
to my dismay found the ring securing the cap was corroded and beginning
to crack. Can a radiator shop braze a new fitting on the top of an otherwise
solid radiator??
     I am only a Rover owner of three months, but I love the brute so much
that I am selling my other car and plunging Sid into daily driverdom!! My
dad has also taken a liking to him and is considering trading his old Benz
for a 109 :~}.

                          -Rgds,
                           Joseph Broach      '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney'

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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:29:55 -0800

All, 

After reading the thread on our beloved Land Rovers breaking in half, I would ^M
like to share my experience with you. 

I recently (Oct) picked up a SIII from VinalHaven ME. Vinalhaven is a small ^M
island off the Maine coastline. The LR had spent a long time working on the ^M
island mainly as a plow
and a boat hauler.

After years of running into the sea, cleaning up salt soaked snow, the chassis ^M
basically had enough. When I went to look at said LR in Sept, I was informed ^M
that the chassis was gone, just looking under confirmed that !! However, the ^M
rest was fine, in fact the engine has 23,000 genuine miles on it. Good body ^M
and a dash with no rips !! A good buy for $600. 

My father (over from England) and I went over to Vinalhaven to collect it with ^M
my Range Rover, we tried to get on the ferry with the trailer, but it was ^M
full. We quickly disconnected the trailer and drived onto the ferry, JUST. One ^M
hour and 15 mins later we were off the other side and looking face to face ^M
with the LR. Now, when I went over to see it in Sept, I never drove it because ^M
the clutch bearing was seized. 

We tied up the LR to the RR with the tow strap and eased off down the road, my ^M
Dad gingerly testing the brakes, not much pedal pressure and from what we ^M
could gather, only one rear brake was working. I forgot to mention that the ^M
only way into the LR was through the rear door, getting the picture here....

Anyway we got to the ferry station and stopped for coffe in preparation for ^M
the trip back to the mainland. My Dad, was peed that he had to climb in ^M
through the rear door, tried to pull the drivers door open, success, however, ^M
as soon that door opened, it dropped about a foot !!! and the passenger door ^M
jumped open. We realised what had happen, the doors were keeping the thing up. ^M
 

Anyway, more fun on the boat back, I pulled the LR onto the ferry and we sat ^M
there taking in the view. When we drove onto the ferry at Vinalhaven, some ^M
joker shouted, "Look, a Land Rover" then the reply "yes and it's on tow ...." ^M
came booming out. At least a Range Rover was pulling it. 

We arrived back in Rockland and started to disembark, I took the strain and ^M
eased the RR up the ramp, the LR limping along behind. Now it was low tide at ^M
the time and we had to go up the ramp and then down the other side. As we ^M
crested the top of the ramp, I heared a loud thud, crack and bang. As I looked ^M
in the rear view mirror, I could see my Dad killing himself laughing, the LR ^M
had snapped in half !! held up by the exhaust and tranny. 

Anyway, we got the LR on the trailer and took her home. Two days later we had ^M
stripped her down to parts. ..... Anyone want some ????

Rgds Mark

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:50:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Radiator and Carb problems

On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Joseph Broach wrote:

>      While waiting for the oil to drain, I took a peek down the radiator and
> to my dismay found the ring securing the cap was corroded and beginning
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> for a 109 :~}.
>                           -Rgds,
>                            Joseph Broach      '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney'
I've got two words for you:  "JB Weld"

A radiator shop can fix it up good, or you could DIY with a torch.
But this plasti-weld crap will patch just about anything (e.g. my
radiator after my fan plowed through it), and is really cheap.

Morgan Hannaford
Berkeley, CA
'69 88"

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:54:37 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: painting landrovers

On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Robert Meredith wrote:

> Folks,
> Terri Anne mentioned repainting her landrover and I'm interested in doing 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Cheers,
> Rob Meredith.

Hi Rob.

If you plan on going to ex-Yugoslavia DON'T PAINT IT WHITE!. The bosnian
serbs will think it belongs to UN peacekeeping force and will let you taste
a few one-o-fives. When you crawl out of the smoking wreck, the snipers will
get the rest of you.

I suggest yellow with neon-pink polka dots.

Take care.

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:11:35 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: Radiator and Carb problems

> From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov  7 13:59 PST 1994
> Subject:      Radiator and Carb problems
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>                           -Rgds,
>                            Joseph Broach      '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney'

  They can solder on a new one.

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From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 17:00:53 PST
Subject: Yakima Roof Racks

This will send petty to most of you, but has anybody had experience 
using Yakima racks on a RR?  I have the tower system, but I have run 
into a slight problem that Yakima is unwilling to reconcile.  The 
clips that come with the rack system have a 90-degree angle to them 
and are not long enough to properly get over the small lip on the 
bottom edge of the rain gutter and deflect the clip down.  I have the 
racks moved all the way forward to incorporate the van-size wind 
deflector which cuts down on wind noise and resistance (otherwise I 
could just move the racks back where there wasn't interference).  The 
clip problem looks like this:

is |     & should be:    |
   |____                 |_----

Has anybody discovered an alternate clip to use? any alternatives?
BTW, I have a lot of accessories for these racks, so changing to 
Thules (as recommended by the LRNA reps this weekend suggested) will 
not make economic sense.
brian.foster@ast.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:03 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Presonalities

Um, "ROVONUP" sorta sounds like you're getting married to the Disco...  
"RovoNup[tials]"  (Of course, I was just at my cousins wedding yesterday, so 
maybe I'm oversensitized.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:13:36 -0800
Subject: Vance.... E-mail me

Vance, 

must have written down your e-mail address incorrectly, please e-mail me and I ^M
will e-mail back

Thanks, 

Mark

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 01:12:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: rust.....

Russell, safe downstate, (somewhere near NYC) only WISHES he could have this
much fun....

> If I were tooling about in upstate NY along rt 20, rt 5, or the
> interstate, and I came across a VW towing some wretched 109
> on a flatbed with sparks and diesel fuel spewing about, I'd
> of ONLY figured it had to be one of you two HOOLIGANS!

Yes, yes... We did it..  it was fun!

> Aren't there cops up thataway that are supposed to be keeping
> our highways and biways safe and secure for all??
> on a flatbed with sparks and diesel fuel spewing about, I'd
> of ONLY figured it had to be one of you two HOOLIGANS!
In the donut shops, I suspect!

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 01:12:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Trip thru the pond

Russ Burns... blub, blub, blub....

> Saturday a friend of mine Rick came over, and we attempted to
> drive the 90 thru the pond. The first attempted was unsuccessful
> as we became lodged in the mud. The second attempt in a different location
> was a little more successful. This time we did get to the middle of the
none

Kinda like that old Marx brothers bit with the three Russian avaitors..
Chico was being interviewed about crossing the Atlantic..  "The firsta time
we cross the ocean, we run outta gas half way, so we go back. The seconda
time we take a plenty gas but run out before we land - so we go back. The
thirda time, we take the boat."

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: LRW US national decoded
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:26:36 -0700 (MST)

With something of a personal interest at stake, I've been noting the
progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe.  Ian Stuart reported its
arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov.  Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days
later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later.  Where
there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome!

On another happy note about LRW, the new editor (Alan Kidd) sent
a form letter to Solihull Society (Colorado club)
informing us of a complimentary club subscription, and a 25% discount
on LRW for individual club members.  I don't know what LRO's response is,
but this looks like classic newspaper war tactics.  (And I write from
one of the last cities in the US that still has rival newspapers
slugging it out.)

At least two other people on the net also have a personal interest in
the Dec. issue which contains my article on the 94 US national.
Here's is the inside scoop on the photos:

Lower photo on contents page (p.5):  Jim Merriam of Wichita,
Kansas, driving his 88 over Black Bear Pass, overlooking Telluride,
Colorado.  Actually, the photo is from 1992, he wasn't there in 1994,
and we did it this time in the rain.

p.58-59 spread:  Ophir Pass, Colorado.  Those who were there will
note that the traffic is going the wrong way.  Well, darn, it was 1992
again!  And participants won't recognize the vehicles, especially the
ambulance, and the S1 (the article clearly notes there were no S1s in
'94!)

p.60:  you guessed it -- 1992 again, but Matt Tanner and his yellow
88 were there again in '94, and he was one of the organizers.

Upper photo p. 61:  my son Sandy immortalizing Paul Ferraiolo (I know
you're lurking out there!) on celluloid at the US Camel Trophy
training grounds.

Lower photo p.61:  the bearded guy is our friend Russ Burns throwing
his weight around the infamous mudhole on Medano Road.  The little guy
is Sandy again.  Twice on the same page!  And as Ian noted my 109 is
nowhere to be seen.  (I think that's an editorial tease:  if you want
your car in LRW, send another article -- oh, well.)

Upper photo p.63:  a 109 RHD from Los Angeles, I think (I forget the
man's name -- sorry).

Lower photo p.63:  Rovers courtesy of Sandy.  He owns more Rovers than
anybody else I know.

p.65:  the same RHD as p.63.

p.66:  Ophir Pass (yes, it's 1994 this time).  Foreground 109 is Greg
Chernushin's of Colorado Springs, the-sort-of-prez of Solihull Society.

Middle p.66-67:  Bill Maniscalco's (Cincinnati, Ohio) 110.

p. 67:  the other spot that failed to stop the unstoppable.
			***************

Ian writes:

< (Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?)

I take it you're offering all expenses-paid trip for two?  My
redheaded, freckled girlfriend says she'd feel right at home in
Scotland.  And she promises to say nice things about men and their
dirty old Rovers.  Well, anyway ... thanks for the compliments!

Speaking of babes .. y'all check out the cover story in LRW.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:52:26 +0000
Subject: Re: all expenses-paid trip for two

> Ian writes:
> < (Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Scotland.  And she promises to say nice things about men and their
> dirty old Rovers.
Yes, I'm offering an all expenses paid trip for two -- if you pay all the 
expenses ;#}

(I can even offer some names of Guest Houses/Hotels :)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
           Play -- <http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/>
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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