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1 "Hal A. Lightwood" [hali19Re: Clutch Prob Again
2 Steven M Denis [denis@o33rust.....
3 LANDROVER@delphi.com 37Re: Exhausted
4 "Peter C. Parsons" [ppar47Disco Presonalities
5 jahoff@heartland.bradley18change of address
6 JFisk1120@aol.com 15At our house....................
7 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs68Re: Tip from scotty, and My series 1
8 LANDROVER@delphi.com 35Re: Clutch Prob Again


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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:58:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Hal A. Lightwood" <halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA>
Subject: Re: Clutch Prob Again

Well it looks like those who contributed by clutch problem to a leak in the
hydraulics win the prize for the correct answer.  Today on my way to my
friend Jody Willoughby's house (some of you may know him.. he is the
resident LR expert in this area), I heard a hissing sound and my clutch
pedal became extremely stiff.  This was determined to be a leak in the
hydraulics (most probably).  And then, coincidently, my starter jiggled
itself loose somehow and wouldn't engage properly, and the generator
decided it would no longer output sufficient current to charge the
battery.  So I ended up with a clutchless, unstartable, dead batteried
Land Rover today.  As far as I can tell all these problems are
independant.  I guess it just wasn't my day!  Well I think I'll just go
pop in a new clutch now. I couldn't take that long... :)

Hal A. Lightwood <halightw@thunder.lakeheadu.ca>

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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 08:49:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: rust.....

Lies! all  LIES!.......well maybe a *litte* truth to this....
here is a safty tip that I had never thought of...when lifting or 
transporting a rover with a "Keebler" chassis,one should make sure that 
the fuel tank is removed or emptied...when we lifted the beast on the 
trailer, it bent enough to puncture the tank and we left a trail of 
diesel fuel across the state...
Ummm what Mike didn't say was this was the first outing with "the lady"...
Well fellas,if you want to impress the sweet young things,*don't* take 
them on a rover hunt....she *said* she had a great time...somehow I think 
I'll pay for it down the line....
*I*  thought that all the weight would have been foward of the trailer 
axle..what with the firewall and engine being the only real mass 
here...Well,someho  wE ! NICE 
misscalculated and this trailer would sway about 3 feet side to side ..
If we had had an88 rover we would have ended up parked on the roof...I 
guess what I'm saying is be *very* 
carefull when trailering roversas as they can bite !
does anyone need some 109 axles and stuff...all*I* wanted was the silly 
oil burner....sigh....
well,off to off load...in the rain....drat....
steve....

JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 12:07:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Exhausted

The demon Rust plagues Soren...

> The bolts were the most rusty ones i ever saw. I had to use both a drill
none
  -snip-     I see you've never been to New York     :)

> least one silencer so i will use stainless steel bolts and copperease at
> the
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> Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save
> time?

Sure... Stainless bolts are definately the way to go on critical components,
or at the very least a compound like "Never-sieze" on exhaust studs,
manifold bolts, etc, etc.

Someone once suggested using the cheapest bolts/nuts possible for things
that don't need to be real strong, like the bolts holding the floor panels
in. That way, if they rusted up you could just snap them off. I like to stay
as "low bucks" as possible, so that works for me. 

As far as saving time?? It seems that no matter how simple the job is, lots
of time seems to be spent cursing, bleeding, rinsing out the wounds,
stopping for a beer or cup of tea and more cursing. Sure, the stainless
bolts loosen up easier but I don't think they save much time.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)

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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:32:14 -0700
From: "Peter C. Parsons" <pparsons@ppsol.com>
Subject: Disco Presonalities

  My new Disco arrived last week - 3 months Ahead of schedule!! I was called
with a comment of "We have one in- it's white not black - you have 2 hours
to decide if you want it."
RE:  SUBJECT: Land Rover names.

>Has anyone compiled a list of Land Rover names? I've had mine for one
>month (Tomorrow) and am beginning to want to call her something. Is this
>a LR thing? Am I losing it? - (What little I have left to lose, that
>is.)
  My 94' Disco just turned 1wk yesterday, but I too am starting to want to 
name her.  I am going Rover after years of a love/hate relationship with 
a '69 Jeep Commando.  My jeep was named 'Rodan' after the three headed 
monster from the Godzilla series.  But the new Rover is not as beastly, 
so I search for a name...(I also have a dog named "Moosehead" so how knows
what the Disco will be called).

ALSO:
RE:  Subject: Liscence plate "names"
>I'm thinking about getting a custom liscense plate, here are some ideas
>I've had. (Please let me know if you have, or plan to use any of them.)

Along with naming my new Disco, I have been toying with License plate names,
also.  My ideas currently run toward:

RVRONOVR (too many chars, I know- but I had to start somewhere)
RVR ON   (too 'Waynes World' ish)
GONROVN  (gone Rov'n or Going Rovn)
ROV4EVR   
RVRONUP
ROVONUP

	I am interested in other entries also, and in ways they can be 
'misread'.  I once had a sports car with plates that said: FEARLS (fearless)
but finally bagged them after 1000's of people said "what are fearls" (as
in what are 'ferals'...)

-Peter Parsons
 '94 white Disco 5sp, loaded and ROVing
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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 14:12:48 CST
From: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu (Janice Hoffart)
Subject: change of address

Hi, this is Benjamin Freeman known as LROVER@max.u.washington.edu
this address is no longer being used please forward my mail
temporarly to this address Jahoff@Heartland.bradley.edu this is
my Fiancees' address I will be getting a new internet address
very soon.
Sincerely,
Benjamin J. Freeman

--
The Professional Wedding Consultant
For information please send E-mail to jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu

We will make your day what dreams are made of!

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 18:03:59 -0500
Subject: At our house....................

We have an expression at our house....the rhino bars, the racks, the
so-called tough guy extras....are referred to as "butch jewelry" for your
Rover!

Jan Fisk
Springfield, Missouri

1964 Land Rover Series IIA
1991 Range Rover (w/o butch jewelry)

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: Tip from scotty, and My series 1
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 13:09:47 EDT

TeriAnn writes:

none
I was chatting with Scotty over the phone yesterday evening and he passed me a
tip and asked that I forward it to the group.

Back in the days when he ran a Land Rover authorized warrenty repair shop, he
recieved a bulliton from Land Rover saying not to park Land Rovers facing down a
steep hill.

The primary input shaft on the front of the transmission does not have a regular
oil seal. It instead has scrolling that activly pushes the oil back into the
gear box when the Land Rover is tilted downward enough that the transmission oil
level reaches the input shaft. This works well when the Land Rover is moving
but does not work when the car is parked.

Transmission oil will flow down along the shaft and go onto the clutch disk.
Left facing a steep downhill long enough, the clutch can start slipping. The
heat of the clutch will dry the oil and create a glaze that causes clutch
jidder.

He mentioned that a few clutch disks were replaced on warrentee because people
parked regularly facing down hill on some of the San Francisco hills.

I believe he said that the problem occures when the slope gets to be about 25 or
30 degrees. so a slight downhill slope is OK.

If you park on a steep slope always aim the nose of your Land Rover uphill.
none

This is correct, but only applies to pre D suffix IIA gear boxes I think, I
know that my F suffix gear box does not suffer this problem, that is why I
have put that in my series 1 instead of the original box, after I blew it
up, but I will miss the dipstick.

On another note, I finally drove my series 1 for the first time since February,
even if it was only to back it out of the shed, and then drive it strait back
in.  But the really frustrating part of it all is the fact, that while I was
putting the gear box back in, I noticed that the master cylinder was leaking
a little, so I thought, might as well do that up while I'm at it, WHAT A 
MISTAKE!!!!!!  I cannot get any brakes what so ever now, I am hoping, no make
that preying that the brake place cocked up my master cylinder, so that I can
fix the brakes during the week, and get an exhaust made up on the weekend,
I spent all last week(after work) and this weekend bleeding my brakes, I think
I primed/bleed the master cylinder about 8 times.  I about ten years time, I
might start drilling for brake fluid where my Series 1 is currently parked, as
I think I put about 2 litres of brake fluid through the thing, and onto the
floor of the shed over the past week!  I know it has to be a problem with the
master cylinder, as I clamped up all the flexible hoses, and still could not
get a pedal, theoretically, I should not be able to move the brake pedal in
such a situation!  This is really annoying, as I really, really, really, REALLY,
want to drive my series 1, I miss driving my Series 1, and I am sick of every
one at work, and people I know, saying that it should be running by the year
2000.

Thats all the ranting and raving and general stuff like that for now!!!!!!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Nearly!)
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia             (Currently on Digest Mode)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 00:22:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Clutch Prob Again

Wait a bit Hal....

> Well it looks like those who contributed by clutch problem to a leak in
> the
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> pedal became extremely stiff.  This was determined to be a leak in the
> hydraulics (most probably).  And then, coincidently, my starter jiggled

 - snip - 
OK.. I'm confused... How does a leak in the hydraulics give you a STIFF
clutch pedal. If you have a leak, you should have a loss in pressure and the
pedal should go right to the floor. You sure it's stiff??     (NO JOKES,
MALONEY!)  Now, a crimp in the clutch line or maybe the hose in the line
collapsed internally... THOSE could cause a stiff pedal and clutch problems. 

> itself loose somehow and wouldn't engage properly, and the generator
> decided it would no longer output sufficient current to charge the
> battery.  So I ended up with a clutchless, unstartable, dead batteried
> Land Rover today.  As far as I can tell all these problems are
> independant.  I guess it just wasn't my day!  Well I think I'll just go

Of course they are all related.. Those parts have a strong union.. One thing
stops and they all got to stop... :)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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