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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:39:28 --100
From: ketil@tvnorge.no (Ketil Kirkerud)
Subject: Re: Intro with Anecdote(s)

 >       
 > I vaguely remember a music video showing a 90" driving around and wading
 > across a river. Also the camera "accidentally" caught the logo they put
 > on the side of the grille nowadays. Could this be a Billy Joel video?? 

No. This could be a Bryan Adams video. The first time I saw it, I thought
it was a Land-Rover commercial... The car is supposedly a 100-inch
RR/LR hybrid. According to LRO Mr. Adams is an avid LR-fan, and the vehicle 
you see in the video is his. 

---Ketil

--------------------------------------------------------
Ketil Kirkerud			Lillebil
TVNorge A/S			1979 109" Petrol SW.
	

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Date: 31 Oct 94 08:45:17 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Heater works great

Granville:

Got the Heater installed in my 88 this weekend.  It took a little engineering to
get the Ser III pipe to fit the Series IIa (Not sure why there would be a
difference, but apparently there is) but it all went in in about an hour.  I
opted for the old-style tap shut-off valve which was appropriate for the period
rather than the adjustable Ser III setup.  

I also added an 88 degree thermostat and, when the weather gets cold, will add a
radiator muff.  It's hard to get that vehicle to run hot, what with a
double-core radiator, oil cooler and 8 blade "Africa" fan.  It rarely comes off
choke in the cool weather.

So far, in 35-40 degree weather, the little sucker cranks out enough heat to
heat my house comfortably!  I was sweating after about 10 minutes.

Regards, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 31 Oct 94 09:49:59 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <PREID@csi.compuserve.com>
Subject: Tom Coren... coming to the Last Gasp?

Tom:

I saw by your sig that you were in VA.  You coming to the Last Gasp Rally in W.
Va on the 11-12 November?

Is anyone from the list going?

Regards, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: 31 Oct 94 09:50:04 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <PREID@csi.compuserve.com>
Subject: Front Bumper w. H2O in it

> Can't say that I ever heard of using the front bumper as a water container
> but it sounds like a neet idea - it certainly is "roveresque"!

 have seen a conversion of a Suburban into a hunting vehicle that used the front
bumper as a water carrier.  Held 100 gallons or so.

My only concern with doing it to a Land Rover is that you would be putting a lot
of stress on the front wheel-bearings and make the truck rather nose-heavy.   

On the other hand...I have seen stranger things done to Land Rovers...

Cheers, 

R. P. Reid

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From: whitmerm@netcom.com (Mark Whitmer)
Subject: Repairing ser IIA gearbox.
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:07:14 -0800 (PST)

Greetings!

I have recently acquired a 1968 Land Rover ser. IIA 88" wheelbase.  It 
currently has no top, and the transmission is in a cardboard box.  I 
don't know exactly what parts are there and what are missing, but the guy 
who gave it to me (can you believe that someone would just GIVE away a 
land rover?!  It was sitting in the middle of a farm field for a few 
years and he decided it wasn't worth the trouble.  Sheesh.. some 
people!).  anyway, he said that he thought the only thing that needed 
replacement was first and second gear.  The engine supposedly runs, but 
the gas tank was dirty so I haven't tried it yet.  It has spent the last 
year or so coated with WD-40 and stored in a friend's garage.  I have 
gotten the repair manuals for it from Rovers North in Vermont (I can get 
the address if anyone needs it).  Can anyone tell me what I'm up against 
in trying to repair the transmission.  What else should I check to see if 
it's actually going to be driveable once it has a trans.?  How does this 
particular model perform offroad?  Any other "Rover Lore" that I would 
find interesting?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

See ya'
Mark Whitmer
whitmerm@netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:08:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tom Coren... coming to the Last Gasp?

Tell us more, tell us more, This is the first I've heard anything about this.

>I saw by your sig that you were in VA.  You coming to the Last Gasp
Rally in W.
>Va on the 11-12 November?
>Is anyone from the list going?
none

Waiting to hear
Jon

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:58:59 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Various

Now that I am in digest mode, it's a little more difficult to address
individual replies...after pondering the issue for a while, the mail reader
sez "...OK, which ONE of these twenty five address do you want?...."
However, digest does keep the connect charges down.

Greg writes about gas tanks...and I have just had that problem myself.
Virtually all tanks will rust from the outside in at the support flange
where the double skin starts.  Bough a NEW tank five years ago, used the JC
Whitless liner stuff on the inside, painted the outside with three coats of
Rutoleum, then multiple layers of undercoating and the bloody bugger
*still* rusted through.  Cost me $150 at a tank shop to have it stripped
and rewelded.  Somewhere I heard a thread about the rust-proclivity of
British steel as of late and the expensive warranty fixes for vehicles just
a few years old.  Unfortunately, the only way to fix a tank properly if it
is leaking at the flange is to pull it off.

WRT the thread on steering realys...here is a trick when rebuilding or
fitting a new shaft (comes from Rich Ziegler formerly of ABP).  Drill a
small hole down the axis of the shaft, with a connecting cross hole in the
middle somewhere.  That way, oil injected into the top goes right to the
middle reservoir area where its needed and you don't have to wait for it to
find its way through the seals/bushings.  Seal up the filler hole with a
small machine screw.

Concerning Bosch Platinum plugs...Charlie Haig at RN says they make Rovers
tough to start in winter temperatures and aren't worth the price.  Has
anyone tried the SplitFires?

And finally, Rodney Walker writes with questions about painting aluminium
(I've tried to post this directly, but it came back three times....)
Aluminium will corrode imperceptably rather rapidly, and it is this hard
oxide skin that makes paint adhesion such a bother.  Clean it up well and
use an acid wash to remove the oxide.  DuPont makes a nice, three step
system, but it may not be available down under.  After cleaning, they
reccommend a "conversion coating" (dilute ferrocyanide) before priming.
Follow that with a two-part primer, "Variprime" but it must be top-coated
within 1-6 hours.

Years ago, before the EPA legislated zinc chromate out of existence in the
US because it was photochemically reactive and dangerous for the
eivironment, it was an excellent primer for aluminium.  Read the contents
on a bottle of Variprime: "zinc chromate" and we won't even talk about the ferrocyanide.

If you do have access to DuPont "DuLux" (alkyd) or "Centari" (acrylic)
enamels, we have crossover numbers so you can get original factory color
mixes. "Hammerite" by Finnegan's (of Waxoyl fame) is a good coating for
galvanizing until you can get it redipped.

Welding aluminium can be a trick as well - MIG or TIG is about the only
real answer.  However, there is a new product out so that it can be brazed
with a common propane torch.  Marketed under the name "LumiWeld" and
perhaps a dozen others, it is an alloy stick that flows at 730 degrees (F).
 With practice, you can even weld up the paper-thin metal in beer
cans...AND the stuff hardens to Rockwell 60+.  Amazing.  Good luck...and
sorry for the use of bandwidth.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:04:03 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Disco skid plates available? Needed?

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Disco skid plates available? Needed?
Hello all, I'm considering adding skid plates for my '94 Disco, but have
not seen them available. Does anyone know where they may be available?
And, what are your opinions on even needing them. It seems that most
everything underneath is fairly well protected from potential damage,
are skid plates needed? Did the camel trophy vehicles have them? If so,
where did they get them from?

I'd also like to add a winch, anyone know of a winch mount for the
dealer added rino bars? ("Air bag certified") And dual batteries: where
has anyone else placed the second battery. It's been suggested to remove
the windshield washer reservoir (I'd really rather not) or relocate the
power steering tank and coil, and remove the air intake horn from the
air cleaner. It looks like I could easily fabricate a bracket to move
both PS tank and coil about 8-9 inches (~200 mm) towards the center of
the engine bay, but what affect would removing the air intake horn have
on the vehicle's computerized air flow system?

Please advise me on:
  1.) Skid plates.
  2.) Winch mount.
  3.) Dual battery location.
  4.) Air intake horn.

Thanks so much for your input!!!

P.S. What are your opinions on "nerf" bars? (Round pipe bars underneath
     the doors.) May protect body sides from damage, but affect brake-over
     angle. Good? Bad?

Dave Brown... Phoenix Arizona (USA) '94 Discovery.

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
|   |   |  |             thing that ever has.
""O""""""O""                                            -Margaret Mead

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 09:06:04 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Water storage

There is an expidition equiped 110 2 door living in the Pacific Northwest that 
has a pair of 20+ gallon stainless water tanks sitting in the space between the 
front seats and the rear wheels.  This is where the inside mounted spare tyres 
go on 109 pickups.  Lots of space there and keeps the center of gravity low.

If those of you who have 88s or four door LRs look underneath your body, you may
find some wasted space that you can stick a water tank in.  

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:13:09 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: '95 Disco features.

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: '95 Disco features.
I've recently spoken to an owner of a '95 Disco, and thought I'd share
my findings with you as for the differences between a '94 and '95.

  o  Side impact beams in rear doors added.
  o  More color choices (more blues added)
  o  Dis-arming the alarm activates the interior lights.
  o  Lumbar supports in the front seats. (I REALLY wish I had this!!)
  o  Wheels more silver color than grey.

That's all I have found out. Anyone else know anything?

Dave Brown, '94 Disco in Phoenix Arizona USA

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
|   |   |  |             thing that ever has.
""O""""""O""                                            -Margaret Mead

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From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:18:57 PST
Subject: Equipment Suggestions

Although I am not a total newbie to off-road adventures, I am new to 
traveling with the RR.  I do consider myself fairly lucky to have 
traveled with knowledgeable people that always had just the trick to 
get out or away from trouble, but it's time to grow up and fend for 
myself. So I am looking toward you, oh knowledgeable wizards, to 
divulge some of the equipment you recommend equiping the RR with.  
Include, if you can: 1) why you recommend the equipment or what can it 
be used for, and 2) where it can be obtained if it is not readily 
available or obvious.  I'll also be interested in knowing how/were you 
store this equipment.
Post directly to me (brian.foster@ast.com) and after I've accumulated 
enough info., I'll post to the list if anyone is interested.
Brian

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:17:27 -0500
Subject: late IIA speedo

I am looking for a late IIa speedometer, the kind with the 3 indicator lights
on the bottom of the dial, it's to go in a 1969 IIa SWB, w/15 in. wheels.

I would like to trade an early IIa speedometer, it came out of a 1965 IIa
SWB, w/15 in. wheels.

I know I can use this speedo in my rover but I would rather keep the Wayback
machine as visually correct as possible.

e-mail or call

FWIW,
I have been venturing further out into the net, and I have noticed that
people can be quite rude to one another, some of the flames I saw in other
news groups really took me by surprise with their vehemence and the lack of
intelligent thought put into the postings, just knee-jerk name calling. My
@aol.com address did not help me make friends, although seeing what scooper
did a week or so back, I can understand why. I'll stop wasting bandwidth now.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                               Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
508-373-1788 (W)                                508-521-4093 (H)
508-521-1380 (FAX)
===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 09:25:01 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Repairing ser IIA gearbox.

Mark,
The factory manual does a good job of explaining how the transmission goes 
together.  If you don't feel you can do a top job rebuilding it, you can ship it
off to Scotty.  He is very good at Land Rover transmissions and diffs. and can 
do a factory quality rebuild for cheaper than you can purchase a rebuilt box 
form company X (He was certified by Rover for doing warrenty work on  IIAs). 
I couldn't tell where you are by your address. But your transmission could 
always be shipped.  Scotty is in The East SF bay area.  His shop number is 
510-686-2255.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: New Explorers aka 110-o-rama
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:38:35 -0800 (PST)

Last night (Sunday) on channel 9, 9p.m.(PST) the New Explorers show
that netters had been raving about was on.  Following the adventures
of a University of Chicago Palaeontologist from London to Niger in 
a convoy of about 5-6 110 diesel Land-Rovers; 1 station wagon and 
the rest standards.  Pretty cool show, about 1 hour long and there
is desert rovering-a-plenty.  I got it on video if anyone missed it.

Morgan Hannaford
Berkeley, CA
'69 88" IIA

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Part Number for U.S defender hardtop.
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 11:30:49 PST

> Any one have the Part for the hardtop for the 
> U.S Defender 90.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Russ
> --LAA17230.783631655/lint.cisco.com--

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 15:15:26 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Rudeness on the Net

Spenny writes:

none
I have been venturing further out into the net, and I have noticed that
people can be quite rude to one another, some of the flames I saw in other
news groups really took me by surprise with their vehemence and the lack of
intelligent thought put into the postings, just knee-jerk name calling. My
@aol.com address did not help me make friends, although seeing what scooper
did a week or so back, I can understand why. I'll stop wasting bandwidth now.
none

I have heard pretty much the same.  In fact, I contacted a friend of 
Granville's who was on the Volvo list to post a list of the spares I've 
squirreled away now that I'm selling it.  She said the admin is pretty testy 
and when folks post those kinds of messages he gets all bent out of shape to 
the point of posting "Do not respond to this person..." to the list.  She 
said she would ask him directly.  She did and he gave her a rather curt 
answer.  She was very annoyed and apologetic afterwords.

Even on the sex.ed (I think) when someone new posts a basic question, they 
are deluged with flames saying "Don't waste our fu***** time!!!" (I read this 
in an Internet article in the Sunday Times, honest!).

So my point is, that despite the occasional flames (hot air) that goes back 
and forth, I think we should be pretty thankful that this is such a 
relatively easygoing down to earth group.  And when there are "flames" 
exchanged, there are usually valid points for both sides.  And also thanks to 
Bill C. and his admin for putting up with us.

Sorry for the non-Rover bandwidth

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gear oil
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:57:04 -0500

"Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> writes:

> ......oh, yeah, I forgot about that......all you RR/D90/Disco owners
> have those wimpy reverse lights that illuminate the trees you are about
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> up in the bush......and should we get a new dent, well, we just don't
> give a......

        Well, eight tail light lenses last year in the forest, though six
        were done in during daylight turning on far to narrow trails.  This
        might not be *that* bad an idea.  The caved in right rear bodywork
        on the 109 is from removing a four foot high, foot & a half wide,
        and about an inch thick section of bark off of a really big tree
        in the rain, at 11pm, icy driveway, no light anywhere type of thing
        (using the wee brake lights for illumination.)  Got just *that* much
        off the drive way and wham...  Was kinda surprised at how well the
        body work held up.  I hit it pretty fast.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS, Peekskill was in the paper up here this weekend.  Seems the place
            turning yuppie... :-)

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Progress
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:46:10 -0500

This weekend, with the help of Dixon, I got the wings and cowling off and 
undid everything holding the engine in to prepare for pulling it out.  
Should be fun.

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: That popping, semi-backfiring sound
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 11:04:20 -0500

hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) writes:

> Not that I'm sure if this is any big deal or not - but when I come off the
> gas and I'm going at a good clip there is a lot of what sounds like
> backfiring going on at the rear end. Not quite as loud really but a lot of
> burbling. Is this normal? It seems that it has been that way for a long
> time. Is the carb set up wrong?

        Get the same thiong on the 109, but then the distributor is in orbit
        somewhere near Neptune most of the time.  It does not do this on
        Ted Rose's LR.

> And one more thing - what is the best way to fix (I'm crossing my fingers
> here that this is not true) a leaking gas tank.

        What's the stuff Russell is always talking about?  JD Weld?

        RGds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:48:57 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Land-Rovers on PBS in Niger

Last night, on PBS, I saw parts of an episode (?) of a paleontology series 
(?) called New Explorers.  Most of these shows I find rather dry but this 
one was a bunch of young, hip, enthusiastic types and, best of all, they 
were all driving Land-Rovers--five or six or more Defender 110s.  These 
Rovers, several of which were a nice, dark green, were well equipped, with 
brush guards, expedition-type roof racks (naturally).  Some had Michelin XS 
sand tyres, some had a rather square-looking tyre that was unfamiliar to me 
but didn't look much good for sand.  The racks were loaded with all the 
right goodies, such as sand mats, sand ladders (some really long ones on one 
rig), and the typical boxes and jerry cans.

But the Land-Rovers were not just there, they had a big role, with the young 
drivers commenting on the challenges of off-roading and how they liked it 
better when it got difficult.  Yes!

Too bad I couldn't catch the whole show.  Did anyone else?

Regards, Granville

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 16:57:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Last Gasp Rally in W.Va.

Can you give any information on this?
Or is it a "by invitation only gig"
Like where, when, how much, who's doin it?
Anything pertinent would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jon

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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:55:21 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Jon's Steering Relay

When I did my ser III 88" frame-up, I replaced the steering relay. Mine was
shot, so I wanted to send it off to get rebuilt. It was completely melded
to the old frame, so I cut that section of the frame out (the luxuries of
starting with a new frame... you might not want to try this with a frame
you want to keep  ;) I then brought te piece of the frame containing the
relay to the machine shop and *carefully* milled off the old frame. Well,
after freeing the relay, I sent it to RN to get rebuilt.

As soon as Charlie started to work on it, the relay housing disintegrated,
and the whole thing exploded. No casualties (other than the steering relay)
I had to buy a new steering relay (whose oil level I should now check). How
often should I have to replenish a new relay's oil (it's been 2 years now).

-jory

>Jon,
>I've overhauled several steering relays. Whatever you do, be *very*
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>filling the relay with *grease* rather than oil.
>Again, stay clear of that spring!!

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 20:52:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Gregory Brown <brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu>
Subject: Re: Rebuild of Dual Master Cylinder

David,
Even those quick ten minutes will trash the rubber seals.  Don't take any 
chances and further contaminate the system.  I unfortunitly can not help 
you with a minerial based seal.  We only handle glycol based DOT stuff. ( 
yes stuff is a technical term....I think?).  Well good luck.

greg
71 Series IIA 88

ps. You cc. Sergi Arfi is he a rover dude?

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Subject: big brother alert
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 23:05:31 -0500

     ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT

A number of subjects seem to have reached a boiling point at once.
If you read the october 94 issue of LRO there was a report about the 
factory in the UK making moves to limit the sale of anything with the 
Land Rover logo on it, page 16 to be specific.

I have known for a while that things were going to be tightened up but 
never expected this.

What is more disturbing is that things are closer than we may realise.

As those aroundme here in the valley know, I have never been one to mince 
words. 

I dont know what repercussions this will have for me personally, vis a 
vis my relationship with the company, we'll just have to see.

I understand from a source that Land Rover North America could be 
connected to reports being made to DOT and US Customs on the ownership 
and importation of vehciles that do not meet US import requirements / 
rules.

>From what i understand, somebody, and my source suggests that it might 
in all likelyhood be LRNA, is letting the authorities know when and where 
these vehciles are showing up, ie from looking through club newsletters 
etc. This is likely 'cos lots of clubs post in their scribbl;ings to 
them.

A number of peole appaerntly will be given the opportunity to re expeort 
their " illegal' vehciles, destroy them or have them seized.

Along with this goes some moves in the US to stop some companies trading 
using the Land Rover logos and name. Some of them held the franchises 
when Leyland pulled out in the seventies , and by the way, have never 
been told that they are no longer leyland / land rover franchises!!

In all honesty I hope that somebody can prove what I have posted as being 
wrong. But sad to say at the moment i believ my source and would not be 
surprised to see this go further.
if anyone can shed any light on this can they do two things please.

1. e mail me direct.

2.
post what you know on the system for the rest of us.

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:34:56 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers

Here's my two cents worth on Land Rover driveability:

This summer, my girlfriend and I took a trip from San Francisco north to 
Canada, East through Canada to Edmonton, then South to Utah, and West towards 
home.  It was basically a big square, though we concentrated our sightseeing 
on Canada.  We had a great time.  My Girlfriend can't drive a stick, so after 
three weeks on the road, I was a little tired of sitting behind the wheel, 
but that would have been true of any car.  

Two years ago, we did a similar thing, heading East to Colorado for the  
National Rally, then south and west through Arizona, New Mexico, and Southern 
Cal.  Had a great time then, too.

Three years ago I took the Rover to Southern California for a professional 
conference.  Those sent by their companies stayed in $150/night hotels.  The 
other consultants stayed in the $50/night hotels.  I paid $15/night for the 
spot in the trailer park, and had just as nice a place to stay.  

In all three trips, we had nothing more than minor problems, that I was able 
to take care of myself (even though I'm automotively challenged), or were due 
to activities that I wouldn't do alone (like vapor lock when traveling 
off-highway.)

I was able to maintain 65 - 70 mph on the freeway, except in the very high 
altitudes, where I did lose some power.  (I understand this is because the 
carburetor is tuned for low altitude.)  Gas mileage was about 12mph, carrying 
a wooden bed and cabinets, stove, chairs, portable toilet, all my 
girlfriend's clothes, two people, computer, etc.

One thing I did do, was swap the lumpy offroad tires for Radial Rovers.  Made 
a *big* difference. The exhaust should be in good shape, too, and make sure 
that the engine is tuned right.  Sure, it's not a Mercedez-Benz, but you 
can't sleep in a benz, either.  

I did drive my 88" to work everyday for a while, but the engine needed 
tuning, and it smoked a lot.  I was able to listen to the radio easily, 
though.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:35:00 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: OFFICIALLY-UNOFFICIAL TRIP

Count me in!  I can also probably talk my brother, roommate, and girlfriend 
into going.  My brother & roommate can bring my 88";  I'll bring the 109".  
There's probably a lot more folks around who are net-challenged that we could 
get too.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:35:39 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Intro with Anecdote(s)

That's great that you know so much of the history of your vehicle!  Welcome 
to the list!  

I have to agree that if the man is silly enough to let Christie get away, 
he's not worthy of a Land Rover.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:35:33 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: re: save The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

John Hong wrote...
>Different S-word than save!   F-word TOO!    Sorry folks!   I'm pretty sure 
>I've pulled a dumb one and accidentally sent the list back to the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>the title but DOOOHHH! 
>John

Actually, it was kinda interesting to see what the digest looks like, so 
don't feel too bad.  I still like the regular version better, but it's nice 
to *know* that I like individual messages better.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Subject: N9Y or N12Y ?
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 06:54:16 +0000
From: John Gardener <J.Gardener@fulcrum.co.uk>

My V8 currently has N9Y plugs fitted but the Land Rover Workshop Manual
says that the engine/carb configuration should have N12Y.

I know that its running rich but the N9Y core looks a nice colour (but
the walls are sooty.

The question ?

Do N12Y's run cooler than N9Y's ?

If this is the case then I'd expect that without re-setting the carb the
N12Y's would get very sooty, yes ?

Then it would be a case of turning the mixture down to get the correct
core colour back, yes ?

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 02:12:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gea

Russell is suddenly concerned about what is behind him......

> > As an alternative, you could check out your local Central Tractor (or
> > whatever similar agricultural store) and pick up a tractor flood light.
> > Mount the bugger up high on the back somewhere. Tons of light!
none

> Hmm....sounds like just what Nigel needs......along with a toggle
> switch, of course (since I don't *think* I have a built in reverse
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> a license plate illumination device on daNige......life was just so
> easy in those days.......

I'm not sure of the year but I suspect the late Ser IIa's probably had to
have reverse lights for the US market.
No plate lamp?? How old *is* Nigel anyway??

> .....and a horn, too, mounted on the column (but the switch is busted
> and I have to connect two wires together to warn oncomers)
> light switch I'll have to go "manual").  When did LR's come through

And here I thought you had some guy with a red flag walking 20 feet in front
of you....  :)

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: WB6AGE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:39:25 -0500
Subject: Frame Paint

>Can anyone in the states suggest a good quality rush paint for painting my
^M
SIII frame ??

I just painted my just sandblasted SII 88" frame with "Hammerite Smoothe
gloss black"  Use a brush/or spray but  put on lot's of coats and be careful
with the nooks and crannies.  It's a glass loaded paint and has good abrasion
resistance.  Another option is powder paint.

Typical Oregon prices are 75$us for the sandblast, $22 for a half gallon of
paint, or $150 for powder paint.

Good luck,  Bob
WB6AGE@aol,com

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