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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 04:20:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Hal A. Lightwood" <halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA>
Subject: Hello!

I am a new owner of a 1972 SeriesIII 88" Land Rover.  This is my first
experience with this type of vehicle and I am very happy to have found
this mailing list!  Bye for now!

Hal A. Lightwood <halightw@thunder.lakeheadu.ca>

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Subject: Re: '95 Disco features.
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:50:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

DEBROWN@srp.gov writes:
> FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>        Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>   o  Lumbar supports in the front seats. (I REALLY wish I had this!!)
>   o  Wheels more silver color than grey.
> That's all I have found out. Anyone else know anything?

    o lots of stuff to meet US regulations
    o new front grille
    o new rear light arrangement (very poor in comparison to 94
      vehicle but conforms to EEC regulations - shame you never see
      the break lights or indicators sitting in the bumper well below
      your line of sight :-(
    o new dashboard
    o 3.9 V-8 (thinking about it the 3.9 might just have sneeked into
      the last few 94 models)
    o improved Tdi
    o ABS available (option on some standard on others I believe)
    o electric tilting sunroof(s)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 02:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Tom Coren... coming to the Last Gasp

Last Gasp Rally????  R.P. Reid asks Tom...

> Tom:
> I saw by your sig that you were in VA.  You coming to the Last Gasp Rally
none
in W> 
> .
> Va on the 11-12 November?
> Is anyone from the list going?
none
 
Where is it??? Inquiring minds want to know....

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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Subject: RR clutch master cylinder
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 05:41:17 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

So I lost any pedal in my clutch, and found there was no fluid, and
looked and found there was what seemed to be fluid from the clutch slave 
cylinder.  Replaced that, bleed that, then bleed the top line from the 
master cylinder (which goes UP -- going over near the top of the bulkhead),
and bleed the master cylinder, and it still doesn't 'hold' pressure.

	It isn't losing fluid any more.
	The pedal can be 'pumped up'
	Holding the pedal in (even a ten seconds) the clutch will engage.
	Makes getting it into revers a royal pain.

So I figure the seals are gone within the master cylinder ...

Does that sound reasonable ?

Now for you UK folk - If I get parts from unipart can I get the same 
manufacturer (lockheed or girling, etc.) as from the LR parts ?  I noticed the
slave was lockheed, which is what I could have gotten for half that at
the local parts store (which I can walk to from work).

If I don't ask for a lockheed or girling one, will I get some naff part ?
 
  -Bill

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 08:24:14 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: New ABP Catalog & SI Frame

The new ABP catalog just arrived.  It isn't quite up to RN standards but it is 
light years ahead of the old one, and MUCH better organized.  The new flyer is 
out too.  No surprises on prices in either.  If you don't get a catalog 
delivered (Haven't placed an order recently), they are $5 with a $10 parts 
certificate.

For the person who just bought the Series I that needed frame work, there is 
an ad in their classified section for a Series I 80" frame, "rust free" (if it 
wasn't in Arizona I would be sceptical) and bulkhead (doesn't say if the 
bulkhead is rust free also).  No price listed, Dave @ 602-432-2473.

Bill

Wayne, NJ USA

88IIA & 109 Wagon

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 09:26:59 EST
From: "Lapa, Hank" <hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com>
Subject: Splitfire & Over-the Road

     All,
     
     I've had Splitfire plugs in my 2 1/4 petrol for 2-3 years with no 
     complaints.  
     
     Just returned from my second "long" trip -- long weekend to 
     Jamestown/Newport, Rhode Island.  About 8 1/2 hours each way with 
     various distractions, but spent most of the highway time with the 
     speedo needle off the scale, passing almost as many cars as passed me. 
     (I have overdrive, FWHs, 8:1 head, and Weber 2-barrel with otherwise 
     original 34-year old drive train, engine bored out to .040 over.)  
     Driving up Manhattan's west side, the uniform in the NYPD car kinda 
     stared, but the cabbies seemed not to notice anything unusual. 
     
     My other long trip, again from the DC area, was to Hartford, CT, to 
     transport paintings from one museum to another in the Baltimore area.  
     One really big item wouldn't quite fit in the 109, ever though the 
     rear athwartships bench had been removed.  Solution: unfasten the bar 
     supporting the front seatbacks on the passenger side so that it hangs 
     from the driver side only -- item then slid forward all the way to the 
     seat box.  
     
     My odometer recently stopped working.  Does that affect the accuracy 
     of the speedometer?  Is this most likely a problem with the instrument 
     or with the cable ends' engagement?
     
     Cheers,
     Hank
     

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Date: Tue,  1 Nov 1994 09:15:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 65/88-4 Sale

I don't know if anyone would be interested but I will post this to see.
Here in Pittsburgh there is a 65 IIA 88 wagon with a safari roof for sale.
I looked at it and I can't use it cause mines a 109 PU. And I have
nowhere to put it if I did get it.
Paint is rough but the frame looks pretty good and the body is straight.
Interior is good. The down side is that the engine is apart. And the
owner sez the pistons are frozen because he had it in a garage where
someone was venting a clothes dryer. It's all there though, it might be
good for some one to have for parts or restoration.
>From what he told me, some one offered him between $500.00 and $1,000.00
and at the time he thought it was worth more. I think now he would go
for anything cause Ithink he has to move it. I would think $500.00 is
the right range, maybe $750.00.
If your interested his name is:
David H. Ertman
539 South Graham St.
Pittsburgh, Pa. 15232
Phone 412-683-1902
or you can email me and I'll give him the message.
Thanks for your time
Jon

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 10:30:47 -0500
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Speedo Repairs

Hank asks:

none
     My odometer recently stopped working.  Does that affect the accuracy 
     of the speedometer?  Is this most likely a problem with the instrument 
     or with the cable ends' engagement?
none

Hank,

The problem is internal to the speedometer.  If you want to repair it a good 
source for repair of any Smiths or Jaeger instruments is:

Nisonger
570 Mamaroneck Ave,
Mamaroneck, NY 10543
914-381-1952

I remember someone a while back who had them rebuild their speedo.  It was 
either $90 or $110, I've forgotten which.  I understand they can recalibrate 
your speedo to suit non-standard tire/wheel/differential combinations as well.

(Sorry I couldn't respond direct.  My mail package didn't give me a usable 
return address).

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com  

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Splitfire & Over-the Road
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:05:02 GMT

Hank,
Reckon we'll start a lineshoot book.For stories like"There I was
upside down,and nothing on but the radio":-) You're in it *unless*
you confess to the Pratt&Whitney you have bolted to the roof rack,
and the fact you hgot booked for low flying.
The probability is the speedo just gave up at that speed,hid its
head in its hands and said "I darent look".
The odometer is driven via a worm and wheel arrangement inside the
speedo head,I think.Chances are that either the worm or wheel have
stripped.Shouldnt affect the accuracy though.
If its any consolation,mine hasnt worked for the last three years.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Bryan White" <brywhite@quagmire.corp.sgi.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:29:43 -0800
Subject: subscribe

subscribe

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:51:43 -0500
Subject: mojave road

Vance:
Pres. Clinton yesterday signed the desert conservation bill into law. I don't
know how soon this will affect the Mojave Road....  I'll be writing to "
Friends of the Mojave" to purchase Dennis Casebier's guidebooks, and will ask
them about the road's status.I'll post the answer on the net . 
Regards, Eric.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: First oil change
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:13:59 UNDEFINED

/Okay, enough rejoicing.  My question:
/  Being the loving owner that I am, I intend to change the oil after the 
/first 1000 miles (which will be momentarily).  I have been persuaded by 
/the rec.autos.tech crowd to go with synthetic.  What's the best weight to 
/use?  The dealer suggested 10W40 or 15W40, but the only synthetic I can 
/find is either 5W30, 10W30, or 15W50!  The manual implies you can use 
/most, provided the temperature doesn't hit the extremes ( I live in 
/Maryland).

Rec.motorcycles has this discussion in extreme depth every few 
hours........and motorcycle engines are far more choosy than lorry engines. 
Also  motorcyclists are generally much more technically aware than car drivers 
- certainly, I get FAR more useful tech tips for teh lorry from 
rec.motorcycles than from rec.auto.tech (which I dont even bother to read any 
more......)!!!!!.

The concensus is that synthetic should NOT be used for the first few thousand 
miles or teh breaking process will not complete properly.

Furthermore, the benefit of synthetic is not proven even then. Better to 
simply use a normal dead-dinosaur-tea adn change it twice as often as teh 
manula states, changeing teh fiter at teh stated intervals.

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:17:50 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Water storage

TeriAnn Wakeman writes:

>There is an expidition equiped 110 2 door living in the Pacific Northwest that 
>has a pair of 20+ gallon stainless water tanks sitting in the space between 
the 
>front seats and the rear wheels.  This is where the inside mounted spare tyres 
>go on 109 pickups.  Lots of space there and keeps the center of gravity low.
>If those of you who have 88s or four door LRs look underneath your body, 
none
you >may find some wasted space that you can stick a water tank in.  

Another point to consider, which reinforces the efficacy of TeriAnn's 
suggestions, is polar moment of inertia.  When you place weight near the 
ends of a vehicle, every time you change directions, that weight has to be 
swung around from side to side, making the vehicle more unstable, harder to 
control, more so if you are on any sort of side slope.  By keeping the 
weight concentrated toward the center, you minimize this problem and make 
the vehicle handle much better.  This is why Land-Rovers (at least the old 
ones) are "mid-engined," that is, have the engine mounted completely behind 
the front axle centerline.
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:18:36 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: LRs are the best British cars (forward)

I found this posting on the British Cars list and thought all you fellow 
Net-Rovers would enjoy it, so I copied it to this list:

>Date:         Sun, 30 Oct 94 13:56:16 EST
>From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>all of this is taken in the tongue-in-cheek manner in which it was intended.
>bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu
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[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 11:47:22 MST
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: The Engine is In!

Hey Gang!

THE ENGINE IS IN! :~)

Will rebuild the Weber tonight after work.  She should be running tonight.
Had trouble getting a carb rebuild kit.  Have not found a cross-ref
number so I can get the kit from a local source.  Nor a cross-ref no. for
the K-N airfilter element.  Bummer stuff.  When she is running under her
own power I will try and post a full report on my rebuild adventure.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - 

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Yuppie scum
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:08:57 UNDEFINED

/         I'm sure there are plenty of yuppie D90  owners whose
/trucks 
/will never see dirt under the tires, but I would venture that none who are on
/this 
/list fall into that catagory.

Sounds exactly like me...........I try never to take mine off teh road 
nowadays in case I break it.. I got it cos it's teh only thing on teh market I 
can leave to someone in my will......

But, since I have been living in it up in teh mountains for a couple of 
months, am I forgiven?

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Cheapo 90 chassis
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:16:20 UNDEFINED

/because there is no demand.And Dixon is right,I'm afraid.Given his
/conditions,and ours,the modern chassis just dont last as long.There
/is some *very* funny steel about.There are already articles on putting
/new rear ends on young 90 and 110 models.Not for nothing was the phrase
/"British Racing Rust"coined!If there are two things our climate is
/famous for its the ability to rust,and the incidence of arthritis.

A freind of mine who was a Warden for Newborough Desert nature reserve took 
his 90 on teh beach regularly as part of his job. The chassis fell in two in 
teh middle inside a year!!!!!!!!! Not impressed.

Having said that, My 90 is 10 years old, gets Waxoyled all over the outside of 
teh chassis every year (takes about 15 minutes) adn all over the inside every 
5 (no idea how long cos I get it done by someone with e HIGH pressure 
injector...). There is NO rust on it other than a few superficial flakes - 
even on teh outriggers. If you see some, you just spray a bit on from a plant 
sprayer carried round for the purpose, adn bingo - no further problem.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: 90s and Real Use(tm)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:24:23 UNDEFINED

> The fact that some (most) can't af one is irrelevant. As for myself and the
> other two D90 owners I know here in Portland, we use ours as God intended,
> in the muck. I didn't buy the thing to look at it in the garage and wipe it
> with a diaper, I use it.
/
/        You are one of the first that I have heard that does.  All the power
/        to you, it is nice to hear this.  My limited experience has been the
/        opposite.  However, I would ask, unlike most on the list, and just

Round here they are all used by hill farmers.

What creases me up is teh way that one of teh most fragile bits of em are teh 
steering bars - all nice and exposed in front of teh axle.

The Poser^H^H^H^H^HCounty Staion Wagons come with bashbars in front of these. 
Pity none ever go off teh road. The commercials, that are heavily used by 
farmers who habitually run them into rocks, trees, sheep etc dont come with 
bashbars.

Landrover market research wins another goldfish.

Guess what accessories are selling like hotcakes to local farmers?

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Babes that like Land Rovers?
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:31:19 UNDEFINED

/hear any more disparaging remarks.   I forgot to mention that she didn't 
/like the idea of more leaves on the inside than the outside.  I had 
/parked topless under a tree for a week, during the transition from 
/soft top to hard top.  Just got the top on that morning.  And NO 
/SEATBELTS! 

I like freaking teh yuppies out at pressure washes. You pulll up behind them, 
adn watch their eyes go alll big when you open the doors adn hose it down 
inside, completely ignoring all teh muck on teh outside.

You can hear the shorting our noises echoing round their heads.........

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: To Lead or Unlead
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:41:19 UNDEFINED

/The latest from the English (and I chose the name carefully) government is 
/that a *3 year* study by an appointed committee has found that "the rise in 
/cars is detrimental to the environment" (Mr Rooth! Stop that laughter!)
/
/The committee proposes (broadly):
/
/1) The price of petrol should be doubled
/2) The investment in new roads should be stopped
/3) Public transport should be made cheaper, better and more frequent
/
/The government has taken the report and "will respond after a thoughtful
/and carefull revue". When asked how soon this response would be, the 
/minister said that it would be a "considered and thoughtful response, 
/thus not immediately"

I think we all know how they will decide. In favour of 1) adn against 2) adn 
3).

/Don't you just love 'em.......

Not much. No.

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From: mtalbot@interserv.com
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:46:34 -0800
Subject: RR reversing lights, and Brake lights.. etc

<---- Begin Included Message ---->
Subject: RR reversing lights, and Brake lights.. etc

I read the thread about dim RR reversing lights. Just wanted to relay a ^M
problem I had on my 88 RR. 

I changed both brake lights and side lamps for inspection, after that I had ^M
problems with the engine cutting out under heavy braking. After calling Rovers ^M
North, they told me of problems with fitting non-standard brake lamps, with ^M
different voltage. If you fit a higher voltage the computer senses it and ^M
shuts down as it thinks there is a short somewhere. 

I changed to 12w 4v and all is fine. Hey, I can't explain it either but it ^M
cured my RR. 

Makes me wonder just what we will do when the New RR gets here, LRO found ^M
electronic problems with it on a test drive (LRO NOV). 

Whilst I'm here, I called LRO and gave them @#$% for the late arrival of ^M
LRO-OCT. They are going to try and get the mag here by 5th of each month. 

I'm on a role so I will keep going. For those of you who remeber, my Land ^M
Rover rental biz is picking up steam, few renatls for next year. I have just ^M
bought two more SIII's. 
One has completly nackered. The frame split in half when I went to collect it ^M
!! anyway that is now in bits behind the shed. Anyone looking for SIII parts, ^M
let me know, I have a spare SIII gearbox if any wants one, $175.00. Good rear ^M
body for $200.00. 

That's my lot for now.. 

 

<---- End Included Message ---->

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:57:06 UNDEFINED

> The original question is how usable is a Land Rover on the road and is it 
> suited for taking long trips.  SO far I'm the only one saying they are usable 
> on long trips, and even usable on the road.  

Make that two. Much to my surprise (comfort was not on my list of priorities 
when buying teh Lorry) I found that it was more comfortable than any other car 
I had ever driven on all day trips!

I have a 90 with teh original minimalist square foam block seats. These, 
,combined with teh superb suspension, give no aches at all after 16 hours in 
teh saddle. Unlike anything else I've driven.

The suspension? Put it this way. When I moved into Sheffield, I took teh spare 
wheel off teh rear door adn put it in the back to prevent having to buy  new 
one every day. I forgot to put teh nuts back n teh muonting. I then drove 12 
miles over some really crap roads (south Yorkshire roads must be the worse 
'surfaced' roads in teh world!!) to look at a house. Then I drove back.

Getting out, I noticed the nuts were missing. Oh SHIT!

Then I just about fell over - they were still sitting there ON THE REVERSING 
LIGHT HOUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll not hear a bad word for 90 suspension........

With a deisel, I'm not going anywhere fast, but I get there eventually no 
matter what the road can throw at me, adn I get there relaxed.

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Date:         Tue, 01 Nov 94 15:21:41 EST
From: Brian Willoughby <BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      NBC's Tom & Roseanne Arnold Biography

Did everyone with access to NBC watch the made-for-TV movie about Roseanne
and Tom Arnold?  If not, there was a great shot of a Defender 90 (yellow) and a
Range Rover in what was apparently an L-R dealership.  After Tom and Roseanne
buy their Range Rover, it plays a prominent roll throughout the remainder of
the film.  If they re-air it, be sure to watch for the Rover(s).
See you guys,
Brian Willoughby
bawill@ukcc.uky.edu

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 16:28:18 EST
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: New member

We've got a new member on-line (I think)...Robert Davis, ROAV's resident
guru on six cylinder engines, both the 2.6 as well as the 3.0 litre P-5's.
If you got this Robert, welcome aboard.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:56 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rover: Jobs, investment, model strategy

Here's another extract from a news clipping of the british daily
'The Guardian' of Oct. 20, 1994:
=================================================================
...
Rover ... announced plans to take on 1,450 new staff as part of a
five-year #1.5 billion investment drive.
Up to 4,500  more  jobs  could  be  created  as  a  result,  with
suppliers and dealers benefitting from increased output.
...
Some 300 production workers are to be hired at the Solihull  Land
Rover plant where total staff has already been increased by 1,300
in the past 18 months. ...
...
Rover's total workforce will  rise  to  just  under  35,000.  The
company has produced 50,000 more cars in the first nine months of
the year than in the same period of 1993.  John  Towers,  Rover's
chief  executive,  said  that  he  expected  production  to reach
490,000 this year and exceed 500,000 in 1995 ...
The  planned  increase  in  production  also   reflects   Rover's
improving export performance ...
...
The success of the Land Rover Discovery in the US has seen export
sales rise 127 per cent this year.
...
However, uncertainty  remains  over  the  long-term  model  range
following  the  #800  million  BMW  takeover  in February.  Bernd
Pischetsrieder, BMW chairman, said that  the  company  was  still
developing a strategy for Rover Models.
...
=================================================================

Enjoy,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:42 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Jon's Steering Relay

Jory Bell (jory@MIT.EDU) was wondering:

 >I had to buy a new steering relay (whose oil level I should now check). How
 >often should I have to replenish a new relay's oil (it's been 2 years now).

Basically, if the thing doesn't leak and the the top seals are ok you
don't have to touch it ever. It doesn't actually *use* oil, it's just in
there to preserve the polished shaft surface, and to keep the bushes
soaked and running in oil. It might make sense, after the initial filling,
to have a look after a few months (or 2 years in this case), as new bushes
soak up a certain (minimal) amount of oil, and there might have been the
odd air bubble trapped inside when sealing it up that has by now worked
its way up and is waiting to be released. It is more important to keep
the top and bottom of the relay always thickly covered with fresh grease
and to clear away any muck and dirt, because water, dust and grit ingress
is the one big relay killer. The relay itself is designed practically
wear-free and, once oiled and properly sealed up, will last to all
eternity - theoretically.

Another netter referred to friends of his who drill a hole through the
lenght and horizontally thru the centre of the shaft to facilitate
oil filling...  I would strongly disadvise this. The steering relay shaft
is subjected to incredible torque and material strain and needs all the
material and structural strength it can get. And your life depends on it.
Imagine the shaft snapping when going around a sharp downhill bend in the
Rockies... (and it _can_ break, I've seen one!)
Just leave it as it is and take your time with oil filling.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:48 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Disco skid plates available? Needed?

David Brown (debrown@srp.gov) was wondering:

> the engine bay, but what affect would removing the air intake horn have
> on the vehicle's computerized air flow system?

Well, on an EFi engine I wouldn't touch the air intake system at all.
A while ago we - temporarily - fitted a RR EFi with a "high" waterproof
air intake out through the bonnet and up at the roof, with an additional
cyclon filter. We had trouble getting the beast started, the exaust
smoked, and consumption was way up. Still, better than sucking in water
or ingesting dust (our fixup was for an offroad-rally). Maybe it would
have been possible to correct this by readjusting a few gauges and
transistors here or there, but we weren't proficient for that, and
couldn't have been bothered anyway. But it does show that tampering with
the air intake of an EFi impairs engine performance. Just thought I'd
let you know.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 01 Nov 94 17:44:06 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers

...I'll make it as short as possible, just the raw data should be enough
to impress any Land Rover critic:

Two years ago we (one 110, one 83'RR and my 73' S.III 109 Station) set off
on a 5-week trip through the Near-East.  My vehicle preparations:  None.
Just the regular as-is no-frills S.III 2.25 petrol that I had been driving
daily and to work for the past couple of years.  I threw a field bed,
sleeping bag and a few plastic water canisters in the back (oh yes, and I
did have one of those canvas water bags!), got in, turned the key, and then
we drove through Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, across Turkey,
through Syria and Jordania, took the ferry in Aqaba over to the Sinai, had
a look around Sinai, drove up past Suez, crossed the canal and continued to
Cairo, rovered round the Pyramids, then down the Nile valley past Luxor
and Assuan, through the desert all along the Assuan (formerly Nasser) Lake
to Abu Simbel and Wadi Halfa (border to Sudan), no dice for entering Sudan,
so back again through the desert to Assuan, then across the eastern desert
highland to the Red Sea, up along the Red Sea to Suez; liked Sinai, so
again over to Sinai and down to Sharm-el Sheikh, then back via Cairo through
the desert to El-Alamein, had a look around (still plenty of war trash lying
around), along the mediterranean coast to Alexandria, short on time, so we 
took the ferry back to Venice/Italy, with short stopovers on Crete and in 
Athens.  From Venice back over the Alps (already snowing) to Germany.  
Well over 7,000 miles in just 5 weeks, under occasionally punishing 
conditions.  My regular original factory-built plain vanilla 20-year old 
S.III 109 without any add-ons or 'expedition gear' whatsoever, fitted with 
near-bald old Avon Range Master tires, went through that trip without 
coughing, sputtering or stalling even once, and never got stuck either.  
Just a normal, interesting, totally trouble-free journey. So much for long 
distance travel in an old Land Rover.
Now lets hear it from the Broncos and Blazers...

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:47:44 -0600 (CST)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: First oil change

A friend of mine who participated in early tests of synthetic oils which
prompted the Canadian Government to specify it for northern vehicles says
for low temps there is nothing like it.  He watched tests in Alert at the
North Pole with the stuff.  Vehicles left out overnight started with it
but real stuff was like candy cane mix after a night out.  He said they
determined it was a good lubricant.  My mechanic friend says don't use it
till the rings are seated but after that use it always.  You want to let
the pan drain right out and change the filter because some brands don't
like to mix together.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:16:01 -0800
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: The Last Ibex??

Hail, fellow Net-Rovers, and greetings!

I wish to pass along to you, my fellow netters, the warm greetings of John 
Foers.  Who?  John is the founder and president of Foers Engineering, on the 
parental side of the pond.  And Foers Engineering is (or was...) the maker 
of the rare and wonderful Foers Ibex.  A what?  

For those who did not already know and whom I have not already bored with my 
lust for the Ibex, it is a simpler, more rugged, *no nonsense* kit-built, 
Land-Rover-based special, with a full spaceframe with rollcage to replace 
the Land-Rover's ladder frame.  Available in 90" (actually 92.9", of 
course), 100", and 110", in open, pick-up, and full hard-top versions, even 
a four-door station wagon version of the 110".  The spaceframe is hot-dip 
galvanized after construction, then fabricated aluminum body panels are 
bolted and/or riveted onto the spaceframe.  Easily repaired and pretty much 
all body panels can be replicated at any capable sheetmetal shop.

I had seen scant reference to the Ibex in LRO and, in the July issue (I 
think) one for sale (with a photo, under "something different"), but no 
articles.  So I asked the net for more information.  John Brabyn responded.  
He happened to have an issue of another mag with an article on the Ibex.  He 
sent me a copy.  I wrote to Foers for more information because, if the 
article was to be believed, here was something really awsome and reasonably 
priced.  

I specifically asked about using Range Rover components, as I figure that is 
the only way I can reasonably manage to do one in the U.S. (to acquire a 
wrecked U.S. spec. Range Rover, with good title, and keep it registered as a 
Range Rover).  Besides, I want the 3.9l EFI V-8, 4-speed auto, and viscous 
coupling, along with, hopefully, the ABS, self-leveling, power-steering, and 
air-conditioning.  Yeah, gnarly, but civilized.  Travel in comfort to the 
trails, then kick ass.  *YES*  c|:{o>

Well, John Foers wrote me back a very nice letter, making clear that he 
enjoyed getting my letter.  He said he really got a good chuckle over 
picturing an international network of Land-Rover experts [his words, more or 
less, indicating this list] discussing his "elusive machine."  Charming, I 
thought.  He also informed me that the very last Ibex, as currently 
configured, is currently being built. <gasp> The last one? Am I too late?  No.

He will be switching over to start production of a new creation, basically 
the same, starting in January 1995.  He said that I was the very first on 
the American continent to know about the new one, and you, fellow netters, 
are next.  He said that, inflationary forces notwithstanding, the prices 
should be about the same and that performance will not be compromised.  And 
that is saying something:  He asked if I had ever gotten a stock Defender 90 
cross-axle (I wish!) and then tried to open and close the back door.  He 
says, with the Ibex, that is no problem.  We're talking rigid here!  Hear, hear!

I *do* plan to have one, in the next couple of years... and, no, I don't 
work for Foers, although I'd like to!

Cheers, Granville

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:56:03 -0500
From: Andrew Steele <ad158@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject: "Last Gasp Ralley" Details

Hello,

I called one of the sponsers of the Ralley, Cherly Ritchie, this evening ans
she so go ahead and post the details so here goes:  (summarizing from the six
page mailing)

BLUE RIDGE LAND ROVER CLUB

The Mooore's and the Ritchie's invite you to attend a "Last Gasp Rally" in
Parkersburg, WV, 11-13 November 1994.

Please meet us at the offices of Parkersburg Distributing Co.,  U.S. Rt 50
East at Dry Ridge Road (2 miles east of I-77/US Rt 50 intersection) for a
9:00am departure on Saturday, 12 November.  Bring your Rover, your appetite
for food and your appetite/aptitude/attitude for off road adventure.

We intend to drive on numbered and un-numbered county roads, that may or may
not be passable.  Adventure begins on concrete to get to the excellent
adventures.  They state that they do intend to get dirty.  Spoiler removal is
recommended for Range Rovers.  Please include working fire ext, first aid kit,
CB radio if possible.  They will have a couple of shovels and saws, but any
other equ is appreciated.  (winches etc.)

Cost will be $5.00 per vehicle - that will cover the dash plaques and dinner. 
(Obviously they under estimate how much I eat, so in good faith, should I
register a shadow?)  Hosts will provide lunch except for drinks.

Friday evening get-together at the Parkersburg Distributing Co - liquid
refreshments, "finger-food", gossip and Rover videos, shown on big screen TV. 
Distribution Co will be working, so please use caution around the forklifts
and trucks (I wonder if they sanction betting for fork-lift races?)

Breakfest is on your own at a number of restaurants at the I-77/US Rt 50
interchange.  Shoneys, BobEvans, McDonalds, Burger King, Omelet Shop and
Mountaineer Family restaurants.

_--------------_-------------_---------------_--------------------_

Please mail registration, including:
        Name
        Address
        Phone
        # in party
        Rover Model

plus $5 payable at time of the Rally to:

        David or Cherly Ritchie
        (304) 422-0531 office
        (304) 428-3068 home

     or P.O. Box 507
        Parkersburg, WV  
        26102-0507

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I forgot to note above that they may develop an off-road track through 30
acres of Dave Ritchie's hillsides and woods.

Accomidations:

        Stables Motor Lodge (recommended by hosts) - wv (800) 255-1682
                                                     usa (800) 782-2536
                $31.95 to $44 for a two person "executive" suite

        Econo Lodge   (304) 422-5401
                $31.95 to 39.95

        Best Western  (800) 528-1234
                $32 to 45.

        Red Roof  (800) 843-7663
                $34.99 to 48.99

        Holiday Inn (304) 485-6200
                $70 for one person
                $76 for two
all of the above at, or close to the I-77 & Rt 50 interchange.

The hosts are promising enough trees, rocks, hill, valleys, dirt and mud to
keep winter withdrawl symptoms to a minimum.

****  I am posting this summary with permission of the Rally Host's.  To the
best of my knowledge, none of them have E-mail capabilities.  ****

Hope to see everyone I met at Virgina, and those who didn't show (Dixon).

Andrew
87 RR and Lum.
Dayton, Ohio

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:30:02 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: The Last Ibex??

Grnaville, et al:

The Ibex sounds like a vehicle design I've been interested in pursuing for
some time (roll-cage-like frame, [in my case] snap-in plastic body panels,
coil-sprung, etc) There was a prototype out of Detroit (not the big three,
but a shop that services them) which had a similar implementation about 7
years ago (I have an article on it) which went nowhere (it was designed by
the same guy who conceived of the "africar" which had a lot of plywood
components :)

I am particularly interested in mating that design with a hybrid electric
powerplant (I am presently consulting for an electric-motor controller
design/manufacturing company, so this seems more reasonable a plan that it
once did). The only other missing piece [in my ideal implementation] would
be a turbine for the power generator (apache attack helicopters seem good,
but they cost US$100K) So if anyone knows about turbines for this
application...

A few other possible details of my proposed vehicle:

        Anti-Lucas Electrical system implemented via 3-wire serial bus
        (with something like appletalk/I2C modularity)

        Electric (ideally AC-induction; probably DC brushful) motor @ each wheel
        (full time 4wd w/ ABS and traction control are thus trivial)
        (no transmission, no xfer case, no diffs, no axles)

        LED indicators all-round / replaceable headlamps (all on serial bus)

        I liked the hummer suspension/drivetrain w/its gearing in the wheel hubs
        (i like both the gearing and increased clearence)

Anyway, I'll stop rambling....    ;-)

So, Granville, what other info/pointers do you have on the IBEX (specs,
photos, address, phone, etc). [I could send you an SASE ;]

-jory

PS: Roy et al:

My new non-net contact info is:
        801 Minnesota Street
        unit #8
        San Francisco, CA  94107

        415-550-7715 (work phone)

>Hail, fellow Net-Rovers, and greetings!
>I wish to pass along to you, my fellow netters, the warm greetings of John
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 54 lines)]
>work for Foers, although I'd like to!
>Cheers, Granville

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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 20:15:04 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: ibex post error

>I am particularly interested in mating that design with a hybrid electric
>powerplant (I am presently consulting for an electric-motor controller
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>be a turbine for the power generator (apache attack helicopters seem good,
>but they cost US$100K)

I meant to say that apache attack helicopter APUs (auxillary power units)
would be good. I think the whole helicopter would be a bit of overkill.

-jory

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