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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:23:43 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Baloney Meets DaNige

Friday night I finally got to meet Russ Dushin.  We chose the Mason Jar in 
Mahwah NJ for the get together.  I arrived a little early and watched the 
cars going by on 202 until I noticed the distincitve pattern of early Series 
IIA headlights approaching in the distance.  It was a rare sight for me and 
good to see, although the headlights in the restaurant were rather more 
interesting 8-O. 

The Rover pulls in and Nigel hops... er.. Russ hops out and offers greetings. 
We give Nigel a good inspection, revealing that he is a very solid truck with 
good frame and side windowless hardtop (the first US 88 I have seen without 
side windows).  Russ has installed a neat setup of boards across the back 
cargo area flush with the body cappings.  It gives an area of storage hidden 
from prying eyes and by exending it over the front passenger seat you could 
sleep on it.  He also has one of the few tailgate/liftgate assemblies I have 
seen in the US.  His 16" wheels & road tires should give him more comfortable 
highway cruising than my own 88 with 15"s will provide.  Russ is very proud 
of Nigel and rightly so.

We went inside, and after being distracted by the hostess (Mmmmmmmm!!!!!), 
sat down & ordered dinner.  And I got to know Russ.  The Russ I imagined was 
short, a little roly poly, had dark hair, and spoke quickly (sorry Russ).  
Russ is none of those things.  He's about 5' 10" (I'm only giving you this 
because I always try to draw a picture of my fellow netters, and they are 
always way off base), 152lb, with blond hair and kind of Scandanavian 
features.  And very articulate with a warm easy going sense of humor (boy, 
was I off base).  If anything you see Russ post seems off the wall, it's 
always meant in fun or in a positive manner. 

It was fun hear his experiences about first Rovers and getting your first 
Stinky Finger in a Rover and all the other related stuff that would normally 
bore anyone else to tears.  I envied his experience of growing up with Rovers 
and encouraged him to write his experiences up for the net if not for LRW.  
You all would enjoy them I'm sure.  

He also likes the babes, which is more than I can say for some of my male 
co-workers (and those that do don't like to discuss the subject).  
Fortunately, one of my female co-workers also likes the babes, so at least I 
have one person I work with that shares my likes that I can compare notes 
with :-). 

Hearing about his leaky diff problems made me cringe, although we both kept 
getting distracted by the steady stream of Babes strolling past the window on 
their way in and out (no, not THAT kind of in and out, Mr. Dirty Diesel 
Denis).  I haven't been to this place in years but boy has it changed. 

Russ brought along some photos of the OVLR birthday party.  Dixon and the 
rest don't go wading.  They go SNORKLEING!!!  Talk about deep stuff.  I don't 
consider him a wimp for showing up in his BMW.  I consider him a rather sane 
and prudent individual (Land Rover will import a $15,000 90 TDI before I'll 
bring my 109 on one of their mud runs). 

We discussed areas we could go 4 wheeling locally and decided that we should 
get together in the near future and do something. 

At the end of the evening Russ wanted to continue to hang out in the bar area 

idea).  Unfortunately, I had gotten some sort of object in one eye the day 
before and it was still there.  Between the irritation and the bloodshot-half 
open look I must have presented, I decided to pass (Whatever it was, it 
worked it's way out Saturday night).  I do want to do some hanging in that 
place with him again in the future, as I think Russ would be a pretty good 
babe magnet, and since he's already ATTACHED, I might have a good shot at 
picking up some scraps.  

We then parted ways, taillamps dissapearing into the night, to look forward 
to our next outing in the future.  I'm sure it will be interesting. 

More Baloney from you know who. 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:07:40 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Touring Rovers

Had a surprise over the weekend...Eberhard Seipelt and his wife Dagmar and
their two young children from Innsbruck, Austria are touring the US in
their '88 diesel 110 long (and how they got my name I didn't really
understand).  An English teacher on sabatical, they are here for several
months or "...'till the money runs out...."  They have been to Maine,
Vermont, the Adirondacks, Shenandoah and are working their way down the
east coast and across the southern tier of states, staying with the warmer
climes.   I have also given the names of some of the hooligans on this list
to them, so you might get a call from them....they are really wonderful people.

Tonight at 8 on TLC: I actually get to appear with my Rover on
"Archaeology"...I'm the one with the clipboard in the background...tonight
it's the "Philistines".

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Baloney Meets DaNige

Land Rovers,Land Rovers,Land Rovers, That's all we ever hear about.....
then Bill meets Russell and we *finally* get to hear about something 
different for a change...*women* and Land Rovers....now that's more like it!
(Sorry,Teriann,sorry,Jan1,sorry,Jan2)
It is lucky for both these lads that the landrovers leak so 
badly...otherwise they would be up to their respective necks in DROOL...
I've met 'em both,folks..and you would not believe.....
And Bill's eye?  That's where one of those "babes"poked him! '-(
steve.....
(sorry bill, you asked for it....)  ;-)

"HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..."

"NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon          Steven M. Denis
"        "-1957 107 Station Wagon          PO Box 61
"        "-1964 109 Pickup                 Erieville,New York USA
"        "_1967 109 NADA SW                13061

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From: "Jan Beckwith" <BECKJAN@elixir.isu.edu>
Date:         Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:30:29 +0700
Subject:      Series I

Thanks everyone for the comments and advice on the Series I we 
went to look at near Boise, ID.  It's pretty rusty, but the hard top and 
doors are okay. It has a tow bar on front, but all 4 tires were flat. No 
amount of pumping had any effect.  So we are going to take all 4 tires 
off our Rover and go back in a couple of weeks and try to tow it home 
that way. Any warnings? 

Actually, Granville, I think we are better off for storage now than we 
were when we had 4 acres in Caldwell.  Now we have a nice backyard 
with a concrete trailer storage pad-which will do just fine for LR 
storage.  

The serial # is 16135989.  I have the list somewhere at home to figure 
the dates.  She said it was a '52.  It has been painted "yellow" of all 
things, but I can see the green underneath.  

Next weekend I start work on mine.  So I am sure I will be asking lots 
of advice.  I plan to start by lifting the hood and staring.  If nothing 
else I can start with the carburetor.  I think I will take a lot of photos 
with my close-up lens.

Anyway, thanks again. 

Jan
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Jan Beckwith,Pharm.D.              beckjan@elixir.isu.edu
Idaho Drug Information Service       (208) 236-4689
Campus Box 8092                    FAX (208) 236-4687
Pocatello, ID 83209                 Idaho State University
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:04:37 -0600
From: "Peter C. Parsons" <pparsons@ppsol.com>
Subject: Disco 'Dealer Add-ons'

After much soul-searching, several sleepless nights, and
3 coin tosses, I have opted to buy a Discovery, instead of
a Defender (family considerations).  I am now on the 
waiting list in Denver, CO USA. for a '94 or '95 Disco. 

While waiting, I am looking over a glossy folder of 'dealer
add-ons' to the Disco.  Any recent Disco purchasers in the U.S.
want to chime in on good / bad 'goodies' to add.  I would be interested
in what you added, and how much you were charged for each item.  Also 
can things like the wrap-around brush-bars be purchased somewhere other
than the dealer for a better price?  What about the C.D. changer?  The
dealer here is asking $895 for the 6 disk changer, which seems REAL steep.

Thanks in advance for the info. 

-Rover fanatic 'on the waiting list'

Peter C. Parsons,

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Pinpoint Solutions, Inc			phone:  (303)444-7257
523 Arkansas Mtn Rd.			fax:    (303)444-4966 (NEW fax Number)
Boulder, CO  80302			email:   pparsons@ppsol.com

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: lro & military Land Rovers
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:37:29 GMT

By and large I have to agre with Dixon.Lro's ignoring of "foreign"
clubs does not fit in with the word "International" in the title.
They also seem to be continuing the old policy of "look what we've
*had done* to our vehicle,and here's where you can get it done"
sort of thing.
They have a perfectly good technical writer in R.Ivins,and yet
do not seem to use him.Instead we seem to have Mr Massey
detailing????? jobs to do on vehicles,but never troubleshooting
(the Nov issue is on how to take off the power steering unit on
your Range Rover,which incudes the timeworn phrase"replacement
is the reverse........Doesnt tell you how to mend it,though.)
Bob Morrison has,IMO,a problem.Simply that the Armed Forces are
using less Land Rovers than previously.All the variety that used
to exist is rapidly dissappearing.The Lightweight has all but gone,
the 101 is on its way out,and the S111 ambulance ditto.So what to
write *about*?I agree its a crying shame,I enjoyed his stuff as well
as the next bloke.
Also,I wouldnt knock the adverts too much either.They *do* tend to
be an indicator of confidence in the publication(after all who is
going to advertise in a mag no-one reads?)LRW has a long way to
go in this respect,as yet,particularly the private ads,yet I like
its content.BUT...ads pay money.Having said all this,I found the
Nov issue an interesting read(I got mine on the very day that the
previous issue said I should).Had to go and have a lie down!
Shock,you know.
I had high hopes of the assistant editor,after he got the S111,and
indicated that he was going to get his hands mucky.Fat chance.Nips
it into a garage to have stuff checked over that most of us would do
ourselves.Now talking about an auto gearbox?On a S111?What,I ask you,
the hell *for*?
The bottom line,as far as I am concerned,is this.I want more HANDS ON,
technical items,complete wiv 'ints and tipses,for those of us who
grovel underneath our charges.I *dont* want to know where I can pay
some "mechanic" an exhorbitant sum to do it for me,probably badly.
If I had that sort of money I probably wouldnt have bough the old
11A in the first place.I refuse to beleive I'm unique,or even
unusual in this respect.Note,please "in this respect":-)
And I'm FED UP with looking at other folks holiday snaps.One article
per issue is surely enough.
LRO management will surely find that the cow cannot be milked for
long without running dry.So its in their own interests to wake up
their ideas.
Mind you,LRW take note,I cant see much relevance in an article on
hot air ballooning either.Down to earth,Entwistle.Get back under 
thy Lightweight,lad.
OK,I've bored you enough,
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Morgan Hannaford <morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: genuine parts poster child!
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT)

I became the "Land Rover Genuine Parts" poster child last 
saturday, oh to shame.  

Luke (S.F. lad, '72 ser III) and I went down to Hollister Hills off-road
park to Rover it up.  Nice place, lots of trails;  all the trails
are marked like ski runs (e.g. green circles - black diamonds), and
it's only $4 all day- the tread lightly alternative.  Anyway, we are
cruising some trecherous terrain:  steep hill climbs with axle 
twisters up the #$*?!.  I've never seen an 88" lift a tire before!
Anyway, my '69 rover has the Scotty conversion to a Chevy 250ci
I6.  The major modification in this conversion is with the cooling 
system.  The radiator is a big cross flow jobber moved up to the 
front panel, with a remote fan.  Well all this twisting sent the
fan through the radiator.  It took dime-sized chunks out of about
8 tubes.  BUMMER!!  Try getting a radiator shop in Hollister on a
saturday afternoon!  So I just went to town, got some "GB Weld"
putty stuff and heavy duty radiator sealer.  Got back to the car
and yanked out the radiator, sealed the holes (the "weld" stuff is
pretty cool) and crimped off the cut tubes with needle nose pliars.
Back in the truck, filled the rad. with the sealer stuff and I was
back in action, <2 hours.  All was O.K. for the 80 mile drive home
too.  The good news is that the thing got me home!  I think I'll
take one of the fan spacers out after replacing the radiator.

Morgan Hannford
'69 IIA 88
Berkeley, CA

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:55:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Disco 'Dealer Add-ons'

On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Peter C. Parsons wrote:

> While waiting, I am looking over a glossy folder of 'dealer
> add-ons' to the Disco.  Any recent Disco purchasers in the U.S.
> want to chime in on good / bad 'goodies' to add. 
none

  All of the accessories can be purchased from any of the suppliers 
listed in the FAQ at a much lower cost, even for original equipment.  
Although I was willing to pay full price for the Land Rover, I was not 
willing to add insult to injury by buying accessories way-overpriced by 
the the dealer.
  Rovers North delivered my floormats, filters and shop manual in two
days.  Atlantic-British sells exterior accessories in well-priced
packages. 

Harry
'94 Discovery

P.S.  Get the 5-speed if you can.  We love ours.

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Subject: Re: Fuel consumption
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 09:01:55 -0500

LANDROVER@delphi.com writes:

> Unleaded Petrol - $1.15/gallon

        The price up here bounces about quite a bit, but on average we
        pay 60 cents a litre for super unleaded (leaded fuel has been
        unavailable in Canada for years).  This works out to (my math is
        probably a mess):  $2.268 /USgal, $2.724/gal, US$1.65/USgal (at
        current exchange rate of 73 cents to the dollar, so while a
        US$1.65 seems cheap, if our $ goes up, so does it...)

        For some Land Rover stuff, The Weber is all attached with the
        exception of adjusting the linkage (Weber throtle sits much higher
        than the Solex).  The adapter plate I scrounged had the nice hole
        in it for the brake booster, which I don't have, so the one-way
        vaccuum valve off of a TR-7 booster system will ensure that air
        does not flow into the engine.  The brakes are all back together
        (some might recall the new master from Marseyside was siezed) and
        only require a little help to get bled.   We are getting close to
        getting the little earth pig ready for battle...

        To bad it wasn't ready last weekend.  The annual OVLR frame oiler
        saw a dozen Land Rovers get thoroughly coated with oil.  Dale was
        bribed to do four vehicles.  His own, a mid sixties Falcon, a RHD
        VW camper which was the first off the production line (for that
        style.  This one dated from the early sixties sometime and had been
        around the world basically.  Dale was poking Sahara sand out of the
        sills.), and some more modern mess besides his own.  I couldn't
        bribe Dale to do the big green beastie... :-(  However, this year
        for your $25 you got lunch and the opportunity to throw your
        vehicle up on one of two ramps and with spray gun, make sure that
        your frame will continue to drip in a Canadian -40c February night.
        The difference this makes to frame longevity cannot be over stated.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:39:13 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Range Rover cooling fan

Dear Guy:

Regarding your message on the British Cars list:
>I have a 1988 Range Rover and am wondering if I have a cooling fan problem
>ie. the clutch does not disengage the fan at idle with a cold engine (or at
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Thanks,
>Guy Everhart
I am posting your query to the Land-Rover Owners list, as there are numerous 
Range Rover experts on the list who will be able to help you.  You should 
join the list!  It's great fun and very helpful.  On the list, you will find 
that there are actually Range Rover owners who recognize that this is a 
fancy Land-Rover, not just a rugged car.  To get information about how to 
subscribe, post the message "info lro-digest" to the e-mail address: 

        <majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>

To those on the list who can give guy some help, post replies to: 
        <GuyEVER@aol.com>

Regards, Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:43:51 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Rover Diesels

Dear Bob:

Regarding your message on the British Cars list:
>Has anyone any experience with a diesel conversion of a Land Rover?  I am
>interested in finding sources for bellhousing adapters, and hearing what
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Bob
>WB6AGE@aol.com

I am posting your query to the Land-Rover Owners list, as there are numerous 
Land-Rover diesel experts on the list who will be able to help you.  You 
should join the list!  It's great fun and very helpful.  On the list, you 
will find that there is a lot of discussion about diesel Land-Rovers.  To 
get information about how to subscribe, post the message "info lro-digest" 
to the e-mail address: 

        <majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>

To those on the list who can give Bob some help, post replies to: 

        <WB6AGE@aol.com>

Regards, Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ]
[ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ]

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:55:52 -0800
From: jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: Dormobiles

Hello all,

        I'm not a Land Rover Owner but may be soon.  Let me provide a short
recap:  in the sept. Hemmings, a man named Mike Smith, who runs/owns East
Coast Land Rover in Camden Maine had an ad that mentioned a Dormobile for
sale as well as a general we sell Land Rovers message.  As no price was
listed and I wasn't familiar with his company, I made an exploratory call.
He told me he had two Dormobiles for sale----

1) pastel green, exterior is very nice, interior also very good, it seems
to have all the pieces.  Pics are very nice but only only shot of the
engine; old, rusty looking but ???  Supposed to run great, burn no oil,
cruise at 65, get 20 mpg  !!!?  Has OD. rebuilt on military chassis in
1988.  Missing propane tanks for stove but will be provided somehow before
I embark on a Me to Ca trip.

2)  grey, engine just rebuilt, no OD; paint, chassis and body work not as
nice as green one, however at some level it has all the dormobile parts.
I'm vague because I haven't seen photos and can't tell what if anything is
missing.

green asking, 15K    grey, asking 10K

I have talked to Myles Murphy, Jeff Aaronson, and Ted Howard about the
vehicles. Jeff is going to look at them for me and for a piece he's writing
for the rovers north newletter (he's the ed).  For money, Ted is going to
check out the engine and drive train.  I hope to get him to do both.

I am seriously considering one or the other as a camper, get out of town
vehicle.  I don't NEED it, don't need a truck or plain 109 to haul things
or people.  Have ENGLISH sports car for fun, mazda for groceries, ride
bikes every where in town. I am very intigued by the facilities for
sleeping, eating and then going.  I really like the work on it yourself
aspect of rovers.  the design is cool in a retro, non-aerodynamic way, too.

If anyone or all of you can help me out with inspections, things to ask,
things to look for, ideas on prices, opinions of peoples opinions, let me
know either personally or by posting here.  I have pics on my mac that
might be downloaded by others by FTP.  If you have that capability and can
view JPG files, let me know by email and I will try to accomodate you.  I
hesitate to post the address to the list without knowing some kind of
demand.  Too much can slow my computer down.

Thanks, happy rovering

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me 916 752 8520
University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
Davis, CA                         or leave me alone, your choice.

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Subject: Re:lro & military lrs 
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:12:43 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Dixon slimes,

>	 So we will see more Defender, Disco, Range Rover shit.  How nice.
>        I am sure the yuppies will be delighted not to read about old
>        junkers still on the road.

and then adds

>	 PPS. When you write LRO, convey my regards & my statement that the
>             big green beastie & little earth pig will both outlast the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>             blinders a little more.  Eventually they will pull them so
>             tight, they may blow a head gasket and see the light.

	OK, knucklehead the gloves are off and the flame thrower is on full.
Ya know jealousy is a terrible thing, it makes complete jerks of seemingly
normal Land Rover enthusiasts. I sold my Ser lll 88 and my Ser ll 109 to buy 
a DEFENDER 90 and haven't looked back once. All the parts that really matter
on a Land Rover, bodywork, frame, drivetrain etc., are the same or better 
than on your earth pig thing and there is no reason not to expect it to last 
as long as any other Land Rover ever made. The fact that some (most) can't afford
one is irrelevant. As for myself and the other two D90 owners I know here in 
Portland, we use ours as God intended, in the muck. I didn't buy the thing to
look at it in the garage and wipe it with a diaper, I use it. And it goes a lot
farther, and with less fuss, than any of the older Land Rovers around here.
I would put it up against any Series truck around in any terrain or mud hole
you pick and I'll go farther. That's why Land Rover makes D90's and not Series
trucks anymore, because thay are better. Sure they can't go in water as deep as 
an old Series diesel, but how often is that really the case, and it's still hard 
on the vehicle. Look at all the people on the net constantly fixing starters and
generators/alternators that have been drowned in mud too many times. And of course
the TDi Defenders can go anywhere the Series trucks can, I was referencing the
petrol N.A. spec D90's  
	 I'm sure there are plenty of yuppie D90 and Discovery owners whose trucks 
will never see dirt under the tires, but I would venture that none who are on this 
list fall into that catagory. And the same holds true for the Range Rover folks on 
this list, most use thier rigs regularly off road.
	I enjoyed working on my old rig, and I'll probably buy another just to have 
something to tinker with,as that is a major fun part of owning an older one, working on it.
There isn't much of that on the new ones. 
	As for LRO, I agree they suck. But, the market has changed, out with the old in with
the new and all that crap. They have to cater to the majority, and the majority in this
case are those that own the newer vehicles. That's who the advertisers target, and make
no mistake, they are the ones paying the bills keeping the rag afloat, not us subscribers.
Yeah the Series folk are dropping off, but they make up for it with new Defender/Disco owners.
As for tech articles, at this point there is enough material out there in the form of
books and back issues of the magazine fix most anything on the Series vehicles. Why go over
old ground explaining how to's when it's already been covered in many places before.
	 Watch those sweeping statements, many on this list are part of them. I enjoy
reading about old Rover's and new ones. I think there is room enough for all off us here.
Flame off.							
								Rgds
								Mike Fredette
								94 Defender 90
								90 Range Rover

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Subject: Baloney Meets DaNige
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 15:30:48 -0500

maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) writes:

> Russ brought along some photos of the OVLR birthday party.  Dixon and the 
> rest don't go wading.  They go SNORKLEING!!!  Talk about deep stuff.  I don't
> consider him a wimp for showing up in his BMW.  I consider him a rather sane 
> and prudent individual (Land Rover will import a $15,000 90 TDI before I'll 
> bring my 109 on one of their mud runs). 

        Next year we will have a graduated system of trails, from real ones
        who can afford to tow the vehicle home after it has been fished out
        or a deep swamp, to something more stable and easier on those
        vehicles where the owner would be committed if he tried something
        like that with a nice LR.
        
        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS.  I seem to recall you had me figured for being in my mid 50's :-)
        PPS. Hmmm, Babes...   Maybe there should be some large scale LR
             maneouvres in your neck of the woods... <drool>

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:51:39 +0800
From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: genuine parts poster child!

> Well all this twisting sent the fan through the radiator. 
> Morgan Hannford
> '69 IIA 88
> Berkeley, CA

  Military Rovers have a link between the frame and the bell housing that
keeps the engine from moving foward. It prevents just this problem and also
makes the E-brake work better. Get one. If you can't find the geuine parts
it's a fairly easy fab job. Mine is made from a lenth of 5/16-24 threaded rod
(with a clevis on one end) that goes through the cross member. You will need
to drill through both walls of the cross member in the center, vertically,
just in line with where the mounting holes in the bell-housing are. The rod
is long enough to allow adjustment. A piece of heavy angle iron drilled to
match the two tapped holes in a vertical pattern on left side of the 
bell-housing. These holes are where the genuine part bolts to. A few links of
5/16 chain and a 5/16 anchor shackle connect the clevis (pin) to a hole in the
lower end of the angle iron. Ajust so there is slight tension pulling the 
engine/trans rearward and lock with two nuts or nyloc nut. A hefty 5/16 flat
washer transfering the tension to the frame cross member is a good idea. The
chain is to allow a flexible but secure restraint that will not transfer engine
vibrations into the chassis.

Regards, Bill G.

Spell checked by Lucas

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Baloney Meets DaNige
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 20:42:07 EDT

Folks-

this may well be considered outside the realm of lro topics, but since
the message was posted publically I feel compelled to reply in public
as well.  Thus-there is a banter alert for the next 100 or so lines....

Bill recounts:

> The Rover pulls in and Nigel hops... er.. Russ hops out and offers greetings. 
> We give Nigel a good inspection, revealing that he is a very solid truck with 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> highway cruising than my own 88 with 15"s will provide.  Russ is very proud 
> of Nigel and rightly so.

Ah yes, he is a sight to behold, isn't he?  That Nige.  Whatta fella.

I'll write up a little ditty on the rear bed as soon as I get a chance
to test it out.

> sat down & ordered dinner.  And I got to know Russ.  The Russ I imagined was 
> short, a little roly poly, had dark hair, and spoke quickly (sorry Russ).  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> was I off base).  If anything you see Russ post seems off the wall, it's 
> always meant in fun or in a positive manner. 

Wow, I just gained nearly 20 lbs and changed my ancestry.  Just yer basic
german mutt with some english, irish, french, and maybe even prussian on
the side.

> He also likes the babes, which is more than I can say for some of my male 
> co-workers (and those that do don't like to discuss the subject).  
> Fortunately, one of my female co-workers also likes the babes, so at least I 
> have one person I work with that shares my likes that I can compare notes 
> with :-). 

Uh, oh.  There you've done it.  We're in trouble now.  WOMEN, their called,
and yes, I like 'em.  So does Nigel (he's been mumbling the words "Lulu"
whenever I shut him down).

> We discussed areas we could go 4 wheeling locally and decided that we should 
> get together in the near future and do something. 

and this would be fun.....let's do it sooner rather than later.

> At the end of the evening Russ wanted to continue to hang out in the bar area 
> (and from the looks of the other patrons, it seemed like a pretty attractive 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> babe magnet, and since he's already ATTACHED, I might have a good shot at 
> picking up some scraps.  

Oh, c'mon.....all I really wanted was another pint and a chance to see your
neck snap off!  And as for that eye stuff, I can verify for Steve that it was,
in fact, your own thumb that you poked in there as some-er, ah-women walked
by.

cheers,
rd/nigel (and it's Nigel that's the ...woman magnet).

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Date: 24 Oct 94 21:58:19 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: lro & military Land Rovers plus 2 questions

Dixon Kenner writes about LRO:

>        So we will see more Defender, Disco, Range Rover shit.  How nice.
>        I am sure the yuppies will be delighted not to read about old
>        junkers still on the road.

Ouch! I for one enjoy reading about the Series x Land Rovers as much as the
more recent models. I even enjoy reading all the technical stuff about
those venerable older workhorses that comes to me on the digest, even
though most of it doesn't apply to my Land Rover some of that experience
does "rub off" and is appreciated. I would also like to see more written
about the military Land Rovers (I'm looking forward to getting a copy of
James Taylor and Bob Morrison's new book Modern Military Land Rovers,
1971-94) as I have had some fair amount of experience with U.S. military
vehicles. Since I do like to read about the "old junkers" I am glad to
see it confirmed that I am not a yuppie <g>. BTW this should NOT be taken
as a defense of LRO. Now that the local bookstore gets LRW I don't care if
LRO drops off the face of this bloody earth.

>    ...outlast the current 90's and Discos that them seem so horny about.
>        I am sure the yuppies will be delighted not to read about old
>        junkers still on the road.

Yeah, I know, they don't make'em like they used to. But I'll muddle along
with my contemporary Land Rover anyways. With good maintenance and some
periodic restoration it should manage to last long enough.

Actually this whole business has made me interested in the possibility of
getting one of those "old junkers". 'Nuff said.

Question 1: When was the BMW purchase of Land Rover actually finalized and
takeover effected?

Question 2: Is there anyone out there aware of Land Rover activity in the
Southern California area? (Yuppies are encouraged to reply, EOQ.) There
was a British car show at the Santa Monica airport on Oct. 23 but my best
friend unfortunately chose this day to get married. If I hadn't been the
best man I might not have made it the wedding <g>.

Treading (Not So) Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90 Yuppie Wagon

P.S. No hard feelings but I had to have my say. I'm funny that way.

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: LRO late again.
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 12:47:58 EST

Hi all,
        October LRO arrived yesterday, at last, any way, me and my brother
had an idea as to why it is late, the 90 compitition, as it would cost LRO
bucket loads if some one from America, or Australia if they won it, I presume
that LRO would ship it to the winner, or is this scraping the bottum of the
bucket?

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Nearly!)
LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia             (Currently on Digest Mode)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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