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1 Mr Ian Stuart [IAN@lab0.385UK Club list, Correct for November '94
2 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy124 Fuel Consumption
3 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy129 Dual Batteries in the Discovery
4 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn15Re: Fuel consumption
5 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn14Re: Fuel consumption
6 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn45Re: questions about being shafted...
7 Randy Parker [rparker@wo39Re: Discovery Turbo-Diesel specs...
8 LANDROVER@delphi.com 25Re: Fuel consumption
9 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy125 Discovery Trailer Lights Indicator


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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 23:18:04 +0000
Subject: UK Club list, Correct for November '94

This is the UK clubs list, as taken from LRO & LRW, November issues.

You will notice that some entries have 2 contacts listed -- this is 
because the two magazines do not agree, and I dont think that these people 
want to be bothered at 10pm on a sunday :-)

Greg, I've sorted it into alphabetical order, so it should drop straight 
into your web pages...
  (PS -- any chance of splitting the UK list into the 4 countries?)
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  All those marked with a * are members of the Association of Rover Clubs 
Ltd.
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  * The Accosiation of Rover Clubs Ltd.
  Andrew J. Stavordale, 65 Longmead Avenue, Hazel Grove Stockport.
  SK7 5PJ.    Tel: 061 456 8224.

  * ARC Overseas Liason Officer
  1) Fran Luxton, Woodbine Cottage, Lameton, Tavistoke, Devon
     PL19 8RZ    Tel: 0822 610650
  2) David Jenden, The Cottege, Castle Hill, Goldington Road, Bedford
     MK41 0JA

  International - UK Based
  ------------------------

  * 101 Forward Control Club and Register
  Mr. H. Smith, 13 Gloucester Gardens, Baintree, Essey.
  GM7 GL6.    Tel: 0376 552331

  All Wheel Drive Club.
  SAE to : PO Box 6, Fleet
  GU14 9YL.

  Club Discovery
  Ray Gates, West Farm, Witham-on-the-hill, Bourn, Lincs.
  PE10 QJN  Tel: 0778 33484 Fax: 0778 33466

  Euopean 4x4 Club
  Nicholas Moates, The Old Forge, London Road, Wendons Ambo, Saffom 
Walden, Essex
  CB11 4JL. Tel: 0799 542052

  Ex-Military LR Association.
  Mark Cook, 50 St Andrew Street, Leighton Buzzard, Beds. LU7 8DS
  Tel: 0525 372 016

  * Forward Control Register, IIA and IIIB
  C. B. Heron, 28 Front Street, Daisy Hill, Sacriston, County Durham.
  DH7 6BL.    Tel: 091 371 2527

  * Land Rover Register (1947 -- 1951)
  Richard Lines, 35 Park Road, Yeadon, Leeds.
  LS19 7EX.   Tel/Fax: 0532 506546

  * Land Rover Series One Club.
  David Bowyer, East Foldhay, Zeal Monachorum, Crediton, Devon.
  EX17 6DH.   Tel: 0363 82666, Business hours Only.

  * Land Rover Series II Club.
  1) PO Box 1750, Bridport, Dorset. DT6 5YJ
  2) F. Myatt, 8Willow Grove, Malvern Link, Worcestershire
     WR14 2SE    Tel: 0684 572644

  Land Rover Series III Club
  Frank King, 16 Holly Street, Cannock, Staffordshire.
  WS11 2RU    Tel: 0543 423326

  * Lightweight Land Rovers Club.
  Sue Foster, 31 Slimbridge Close, Breighmet, Bolton.
  BL2 5NT Tel: 0204 396449

  * Range Rover Register Ltd.
  Les Booth, 794 Lower Rainham Road, Rainham, Kent.
  ME8 7UD.    Tel: ----

  The Land Rover Club (Student organisation ?)
  Dominic MArder or Ben Metcalf, c/o Southampton IHE, Warwash Campus, 
Newton Road, Warwash, Southampton.

  ENGLAND
  -------

  Anglican Rover Owners Club Ltd.
  1) Dave thompson, 14 Black Swan Lane, Luton, Beds.
      LU3 2LU. Tel: 0582 507905
  2) Karen Bristow, 35 The Lawns, Fields End, Hemel Hempsted, Herts
      HP1 2TE

  Avon Green Laners
  'Southlands', South Road, Timsbury, Bath, Avon
  BA3 1LD Tel: Rob - 0761 472734 or Simon - 0272 754398

  * Breckland Land Rover Club Ltd.
  Wendy Chandler, 8 Acorn Road, North Walsham, Norfolk.
  NR28 0HA.   Tel: 0692 404453

  Buxton and District Land Rover Club.
  Mrs C. Ollerenshaw, 29 Dale Road, Buxton.
  SK17 6LN. Tel: 0298071558

  * Cheltenham & Cotswolds Land Rover Club
  1) Ian Wood, 21 Oldbury Road, Cheltenham Gloucestershire.
     Tel: 0242 230793
  2) H. Legg, 287 Prestbury Road, Cheltenham, Glos.
     GL52 3DB  Tel: 0242 580745

  * Chiltern Vale Rover Owners Club
  Colin Argent, 21 Meadow Way, Codicote, Hitchin, Herts.
  SG4 8YL Tel: 0438 821581

  * Cornwall & Devon Land Rover Club
  1) Jean French, 5 Pinewood Close, Plympton, Plymouth, Devon.
     PL7 3DW.    Tel: 0752 338279
  2) M. Rolstone, 64 Sunneybanks Hatt, Saltash, Cronwall
     PL12 6SA  Tel: 0752 846726

  * Cumbrian Land Rover Club
  Peter Antiss, 11 Alder Close, Newton-With-Scales, Preston, Lancs.
  PR4 3TQ.    Tel: 0772 685735

  * Dorset Land Rover and Range Rover Owners Club.
  1) Norman Legg, 199 King John Avenue, Bear Wood, Bournemouth, Dorset.
     BH11 9SA.
  2) Brian Dart, 26 st Clements Road, Parkstone, Dorset.
     BH15 3PD
       
  East Devon Off-Road Club
  Peter Broom, Armidale, Fenny Bridges, Honiton.
  EX14 0BG Tel: 0404 850960

  East Essex 4x4 Club
  c/o Lawling Avenue, Heybridge, Essex.
  CM9 7YD

  East Midlands Off Road Club
  Martyn Jacques, Woodstock, Gainsborough Road, Winthorpe, Newark, Notts.
  HG 24 2NN. Tel: 0636 79421

  * East Northhants Land Rover Owners Club
  Dave Vaughan, 1 Woodavens Close, Northampton.
  NN4 9TX.    Tel: 0604 763626

  * Essex Land Rover Club
  David Bygrave, The Knoll, Bygrave Road, Ashwell, Nr Baldock, Herts.
  SG7 5RH.    Tel: 046 274 2418 (evenings)

  Fosse & Watling land Rover Clubs
  Tel: 0455 848228/615731

  Friendship 4x4 Romily
  J. A. Bradley, 35 Urwick Road, Romiley, Stockport, Cheshire.
  SK6 3JS Tel: 061 430 2609

  Fyfield LRC
  Mike Sassoon, Broom Hills, Ongar Road, Fyfield, near Ongar, Essex.
  CM5 0RB

  Golding Barn 4x4
  Golding Barn Estate, Small Dole, Near Upper Beeding, Sussex

  * Hants & Berks Rover Owners
  Gary Langton, 1 Hillside Court, 16 Solent road, Drayton, Portsmouth,
  Hants.
  PO6 1HH.    Tel: 0705 388929

  Hertfordshire Land Rover Fanatics
  Mick Fox, 143 Boundary Way, Garston, Watfoed, Herts.
  WD2 7SR. Tel: 0923 462753

  Humberside Land Rover Club
  Ian Brimble 37 Oakslands Drive, Hessle, Humberside.
  HU13 0LT Tel: 0482 641260.

  Isle of Dogs FWD Club
  1) Jon Dunning, 69 Taeping Street, Clippers Quay, Isle of Dogs, London
     E14 9UT Tel: 071 515 6453
  2) Palmerston House, 60 Kensington Place, London
     W8   Tel: 071 229 0306

  Isle of Wight 4x4 Club
  Mike Penketh, 75 Church Road, Wooton, Isle of Wight
  PO33 4PZ

  Invicta LRC
  Membership Secretary, 31 Mary Road, Deal, Kent
  CT14 9HW Tel: 0304 380958 Fax: 0304 361268

  * Lancashire & Cheshire Rover Owners Club
  Ian Foster, 31 Slimbridge Close, Breighmet, Bolton.
  BL2 5NT Tel: 0204 396449
  (Note: Same address as the Lighweight Club.)

  Lee Valley land Rover Owners Club
  1) Harry Stalick, 24 Love lane, Chigwell, Essex
     IG8 8BB tel: 081 504 3873
  2) Chris Poole, 3Tudor Way, Waltham Abbey, Essex
     EN9 1PU.  Tel: 0922 714123

  * Leicestershire & Rutland Land Rover Club
  M. J. Smith, 1 Yarwell Drive, Wigston Magna, Leicester.
  LE89 10F    Tel: 0533 881041

  * Linconshire Land Rover Club
  1) Steve Wells, 6 Hall Farin Cottage, Binbrook, Lincon.
     LN3 6BW Tel: 0472 398019
  2) Keith Martin, 11 Lincoln Road, Nocton, lincoln
     LN4 2AE Tel: 0472 398019

  Liverpool LROC
  17 Earl Road, Bootle, Liverpool
  L20 9BU. Tel: 051 922 3371

  Midland Off-Road Club
  Bruce Harris, 34 Mayfield Road, Hurst Green, Halesowen
  B62 9QW Tel: 021 422 9465

  * Midland Rover Owners Club
  John Blackwell, 14 matlock Close, Brownsover, Rugby, Warwickshire
  CV1 1LB Tel: 0788 569902

  * Newcastle & Nantwitch Rover Owners Club
  Garry Thompson, 70 Cambridge Drive, Clayton, Newcastle, Staffs.
  ST5 3DQ.    Tel: 0782 617224

  * North East Rover Owners Club
  1) Gary Campbell, 1 Hawthorn Road, Blyth, Northumberland
     NE24 3DT Tel: 0670 362256
  2) A Timmins, North Lodge, Jesmond Dene Road, Jesmond Dene, Newcastle 
upon Tyne
     NE2 2EY  tel: 091 281 1678

  Northern Off-Road Club
  Beverley Bairstow, 14 Ailsa house, Fairgrove Green, Idle, Bradford, W. 
Yorks
  BD10 9ND Tel: 0274 610405

  North Lakes 4x4 Club
  Geoff Tomlinson, Holme Lea, Quarry Field, Stockdalewath, Dalston, 
Carlisle
  CA5 7DP

  * Nottingham Land Rover Club
  Annie Bentley, 19 Manns Leys Cotgrave Nottingham.
          Tel: 0602 894282

  * Peak & Dukeries Land Rover Club
  Alan Reaney, 96 Ridgeway Road, Gleadless, Sheffield.
  S12 2SY Tel: 0742 655108

  * Pennine Land Rovers Club
  Ivor Hill, 2 Westbourne Road, Pontefract, W. Yorks
  WF 8 4JY Tel: 0977 707895

  * Red Rose Land Rover Club
  B. L. Hart, 75 Coniston Road, Fulwood, Preston, Lancs.
  PR2 4AY.    Tel: 0772 709391

  Rochford & District LRO
  P. Fehily, 17 Plumberrow Mount Avenue, Hockley, Essex
  SS5 5AY  Tel: 0702 206055

  * Somerset & Wiltshire Rover Owners Club
  Martyn Bourne, 9 Borrowfield Square, Brunton, Somerset
  BA10 0HR

  South Downs Land Rover Club
  David Stevens, 32 Langley Green, Langley, Eastbourne
  BN23 6HY Tel: 0323 460513

  Southend-on-Sea LROC
  Toni Perrott, c/o 14 Royal Mews, Southend-on-Sea, Essex
  SS1 1DB

  Southern Counties Off-Road Club
  Jane Dooley, 149 Slepe Crescent, Parkstone, Poole, Dorset
  BH12 4DL Tel: 0202734949

  * Southern Rover Owners Club
  Tracey McCartney, 5 Regents Way, Crook Log, Bexleyheath, Kent.
  DA6 8BT.    Tel: 081 301 5451

  * Staffordshire & Shropshire Land Rover Club
  Vanessa Johnson, 4 Waltham House, Overend Street, West Bromwich, West
  Midlands.
  B70 6ER.    Tel: 021 553 4070

  Suffolk 4-Wheel Drive Club.
  Mrs Maureen Leys, 2 Thelnetham Road, Blo Norton, Diss, Norfolk
  IP22 2JQ. 

  Surrey land Rover Club.
  Mike Boyd, 102 Easter Way, South Godstone, Surry
  RH9 8HH

  Twin Axel Club.
  Andrew Stirling, 4 Littleworth Cottages, Etherington Hill, Speldhurst, 
Kent
  TN3 0ND. Tel: 0892 862676

  Viking FWD Club.
  Ian Hamilton, 21 Narston Avenue, South Wigsin, Leics.
  Tel: 0858 432 345

  Wickford OR Club
  S. Fagioli, The Cottages Guest House, Beeches Road, Battlesbridge, 
Wickford, Essex
  Tel: 0268 764200

  * Wye & Welsh Rover Owners Club
  Peter Slingerland, Old Bakery, The Square, Ruardean, Glostershire.
  GL17 9TJ.   Tel: 0594 544058

  * Yorkshire Rover Owners Club
  David Barker, Rivendell, 2 Huby Banks, North Yorks.
  LS17 0AH.   Tel: 0423 734412

  IRELAND
  -------

  Isle of Man 4WD Club.
  B. P. Waring, 58 Groudle Road, Onachan, Isle of Man.
  Tel: 0624 627 826

  Northern Ireland FWD Club.
  Ian Henderson, 12 Abbot View, Newtownards, Co. Down.
  BT23 3XT  Tel: 0247 811 584 (evenings)

  WALES
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  Clwb Land Rover Gwynedd
  D. Hopkins, Bwthyn Bryntirion, Trawsfynydd, Gwynedd
  Tel: 0766 87604

  Mid Wales Four Wheel Drive Club.
  Carol Tweedle, "llwyn", Harford, Llanwrda, Dyfed.
  SA19 8DS 

  * North Wales Land Rover Club
  Dave Cuthbert, 25 Sunningdale Avenue, Colwyn Bay, Clwyd.
  LL29 6DF.   Tel: 0492 534417

  West Wales 4x4 Group
  Jennifer Barber, Trenaa, Beulah, Newcastle Emlyn, Dyfed
  SA 38 9QB Tel: 0239 810050

  SCOTLAND
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  Ae 4x4 Club.
  Anne Smith, Closs Cottage, Closs, Boreland-by-Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire.
  DG11 2LQ  Tel: 0576 6291

  Buchan Off-Road Drivers' Club.
  Robert Farquhar, 44 Craigpark Place, Ellon, Aberdeenshire.
  AB41 9FG  Tel: 0358 26668

  Highland 4WD Club.
  Colin Stewart, Main Street, Newtonmore.
  PH20 1DA  Tel: 054 03251 (daytime)

  * Scottish Land Rover Owners Club
  Alan Walker, 77 Albert Avenue, Crosshill, Glasgow.
  G42 8RA.    Tel: 041 423 8671

  Scottish Off Road Club.
  Bob Webster, 1 Hallyard Farm Cottages, Kirkliston. EH29 9DZ
  Tel: 031 333 4291

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/       
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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:13:13 GMT-0930
Subject:       Fuel Consumption

In reply to David B, my figures are in imperial gallons
To repeat: Discovery V8i, 5 speed:
Around town: 18 imp. miles/gall; (18.5 ltrs/100km)
Country trip loaded with gear: 23 to 27 imp mile/gallon
Country trip loaded plus off road trailer: average 19 imperial 
miles/gallon

hope this clarifies things!

I was just in the USA. You guys don't know what expensive petrol is 
all about! You pay only the equivalent of about 40 cents Australian 
per litre! We pay between 70 - 80 cents Aus per litre! Let alone what the 
poor old Brits pay! Its about double what we pay! (I was just there 
to)

regards,
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:19:54 GMT-0930
Subject:       Dual Batteries in the Discovery

I haven't fitted a dual battery system to my V8i yet, but I have had 
a close look at it.

There appear to be two alternatives.

1) Cut the inlet pipe off the air cleaner housing, move the power 
steering reserviour and that round vaccuum thing. Insert a plate for 
the battery. (I know one person whose done this.) You can't play with 
the air inlet system too much, as the electronics is expecting the 
air to be coming in at a certain wavelength. Any mods to the air 
intake system, e.g. snorkel, must conform to the required wavelength. 
That's got a bit off the subject

2) Throw out the windscreen washer bottle, put a battery there.

I just thought, USA is left hand drive. That might stuff up my 
ponderings. Maybe not!

Hope this helps

regards
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 18:04:31 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel consumption

Around here (San Francisco, California), Regular Unleaded (87 octane, 
usually, I think) runs anywhere from $1.20 to $1.40.  Mid-grade and premium  
(89 and 92 octane?) goes up from there.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 18:04:33 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel consumption

In california, we have about 35 cents in taxes per gallon, out of $1.20 -up. 
 

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 18:04:28 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: questions about being shafted...

>Uncle Roger looses his Rover....
>> Important!  Important!  
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>  Gloversville                                                      
>  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)

Actually, what happened was this:  I was parked in front of Scotty's shop 
which was located at the edge of a large, empty field.  The nose of the Rover 
was pointed towards the field, and the ground was slightly sloped down 
towards it.  

Scotty told me how to pull out the shafts to check for twisting, and sent me 
to do it.  (gotta learn somehow.)  I set the parking brake, and (I think) 
even put it in gear.  

The first four bolts came out easily, but the last one seemed to be stuck 
good.  I put my weight into it, and got it loose.  As soon as I did, the 
Rover started moving.  I jumped up and tried my darnedest to stop it, but it 
was just too big.  It hit the edge of the field where there was a serious 
slope, and began picking up speed.  

There was nothing I could do, but stand there and watch it go.  It finally 
came to rest in the middle of the field, where someone had dumped a bunch of 
paint.  

I went inside to get Scotty and find out what happened.  He came out and 
started laughing.  Apparently, the parking brake is connected to the 
transmission, which holds the car in place by making sure the wheels don't 
move.  By loosening the shafts, I had disconnected the wheels from the 
transmission, allowing them to roll freely.  Which they did.  

*Luckily* the simple solution was to engage 4wd and back it up using the 
front axles.  But I learned my lesson good!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 01:32:22 +0059 (EDT)
From: Randy Parker <rparker@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery Turbo-Diesel specs...

On Fri, 21 Oct 1994 OliverGr@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have the specs for the Turbo-Diesel version of the Discovery?
> Performance? Mileage? Are there any hints on the horizon that it may be
> brought to the US in the near future? 

Here's some quick specs on the TDi from the 4/94 "What Car?" (UK car mag):
  4 cyl 8v, 2495cc, 111bhp
  91 mph, 0-60mph 17.2 sec
  Touring MPG:  34.2

One (or both) of the books "Land Rover Discovery" (by James Taylor) or 
"The Land Rover Experience" by Tom Sheppard has full spec information on 
all the UK models.   

Recent messages here and conversations at the Bay State meet indicate that
it is highly unlikely that the diesel will materialize here.  The TDi
*does* almost double your gas mileage, but it also brings with it a dismal
acceleration (see above) which would NEVER go over in the U.S. 

> How long has the Discovery been produced in Europe? 

Since 1989, I believe.

> Also, why in the world doesn't Rover send their long wheelbase Defenders 
> over here (US)? Thanks...

Only 500 of the Defender 110's were brought over in the last few years, so
they are quite the limited edition...some are available (2 are listed in
the classifieds in the latest RoverLog), but you'll pay approx. $40 K. 

 -- Randy Parker
    Brookline, MA
    94 Discovery

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 02:22:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Fuel consumption

Ian Stuart offers...

> Here's another thought -- what's the cost of fuel?
> when we hit 2 quid a gallon (imp), we changed to litres....
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> Around my area, Unleaded petrol price = Diesel price = 50p/l (+/- 3p). 
> anyone want to offer comparitiver prices?
OK... Central/Eastern New York State..(USA)
Unleaded Petrol - $1.15/gallon
Diesel          - $1.28/gallon

Interestingly enough.. when I was in Virginia recently (about 600 miles
south of my location), diesel was going for $1.06/gallon.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:22:54 GMT-0930
Subject:       Discovery Trailer Lights Indicator

Recently there has been a lot of talk about the Discovery and its 
post warranty problems.

You are just unaware that Land Rover spent millions of pounds to 
accurately engineer inbuilt redundancy into the Discovery to the nth 
degree, so that certain items WILL fail within 24 hours of the 
expiration of the warranty! It is a marvel of modern engineering 
ability to be so accurate. Its a shame that they only spent 50 quid 
to get the panels assembled right!
JUST KIDDING!!!

My turn with trailer indicator light has never worked properly. It 
works intermittently, when it wants to. Does anyone have the trailer 
plug connections for the Discovery? Maybe there is a special wiring 
pattern for the trailer plug, so the dashboard "trailer" light worls?

Keep Rovering.
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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