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1 William Caloccia [calocc21[not specified]
2 maloney@wings.attmail.co52Cam Timing
3 CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR 22RR Malady
4 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000440Re:Flashing Rover Update
5 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on33[not specified]
6 Keith Steele [75126.112320Email
7 jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy10LRO late again
8 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 30Disco dual batteries / fuel economy
9 Harry Greenspun [hgreens33Re: Disco dual batteries / fuel economy
10 Mr Ian Stuart [IAN@lab0.39Re: RR Malady
11 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo17Re: RR Malady
12 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo10Re:Flashing Rover Update
13 brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo9Re: Disco dual batteries / fuel economy
14 Harry Greenspun [hgreens18Disco Oil Change
15 David John Place [umplac23Re: Land Rover TV show
16 Keith Steele [75126.112311Stainless window channels
17 David John Place [umplac12Camel Trophy
18 William Caloccia [calocc102Usenet RFD: rec.autos.european
19 /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=MACMGW/23RE: questions about being shafted...
20 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn19Re: questions about being shafted...
21 Henry Stevens [stevensh@28October Issue: Got it - Read it!
22 WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbi14flashing Disco lights (there's a pun there...)
23 WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbi24Disco Bull-bars
24 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du24Re: Land Rover TV show
25 LANDROVER@delphi.com 17Re: Land Rover TV show
26 LANDROVER@delphi.com 31Re: questions about being shafted...


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Subject: LRO List Administrivia 
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:02:31 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Well, if it (the list, etc.) breaks
If you decide you must urgently leave the list, etc.
 ==>> It just won't happen until next month. <<==

I'm off to Interops the beginning of next week, and hope I remember enough
French from grade school to get by.

The end of the next week, I've got an all expense paid trip to some part of
Herefordshire that will undoubtedly be wet and cold then, (and require
wearing wellies) for a corporate 'team build', (I suggested a programme at
an off-road centre, but that didn't make it.) 

If any of you are headed there I'm supposed to be booked into the
Hotel Adagio Nanterre, from Sunday, and I'll be leaving Wednesday.

Cheers,
 -B

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:08:06 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Cam Timing

Roy,

David's advice on the end float was spot on.  

You really should follow the manual to confirm that the timing mark on the 
cam chain wheel is correct.  To measure the lift on a certain cam lobe (I've 
forgotten which-it's in the manual), rotate the sprocket until the cam (cam 
lobe) reaches fully open, then turn the cam back slightly.  Using a dial 
gauge to measure the lift on the lobe, rotate it towards fully open.  At .005 
(.007 or any other figure will work as long as it's consistent fore and aft) 
prior to fully open (fully open lasts awhile-you'll need to rotate it to the 
high point first to determine the setting on the dial gauge) stop and scribe 
or marker a mark on the chain wheel in alignment with one of the timing cover 
bolt holes (it's illustrated in the manual).  Continue turning until you pass 
the highpoint then at .005 past, stop and scribe or marker another mark on 
the timing gear.  Bisect the two and you have your timing mark for the timing 
gear.  Align that mark as stated in the manual and rotate your crank to TDC. 
Now fit your timing chain.  If it is slightly off, try to bias it in such a 
way so that the straight line of chain between the crank and the cam is 
shorter, in other words the cam mark is slightly to the right.  By doing so, 
as the timing chain stretches it will come more into alignment rather than 
going out of alignment.  

All of this makes more sense when it's in front of you than when trying to 
visualize it.  Don't be afraid to give Rovers North a call.  They can walk 
you right through the procedure. 

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

I have several questions for the collective wisdom on the net: 

In the final stages of assy. for my 69 engine and the new cam chainwheel does 
not have the same P markings as the original.  Did a stare and compare and 
think I have it correctly positioned.  When I trial fitted the wheel for the 
cam end-float it is so tight that I could not get it to butt up against the 
cam shaft thrust plate. The way it is now there is .003 mm out on the 
end-float spec. Can the thrust plate be shimmed or can a thicker thrust plate 
be had or is the wheel not pressed on enough.  It is really hard to tell.  
What to do gang?  Or can I run safely with the chainwheel cam shaft end-float 
that far off? 

Any help would be nice.  This thing is getting close and it has been too long 
without a running Rover. 

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - What end-float measurement? 

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:37:53 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: RR Malady

In talking to one of the service reps at the Mid-Atlantic Rally, he
mentioned a curious malady endemic only to the '89 Range Rovers: door locks
with a mind of their own.

It seems that the drivers' door lock is an actuator, with all of the other
locks solenoids.  Whilst you sleep (curioisly, this always happens at night
when no one is around to observe), the actuator fails/shorts, cycling all
of the other locks until something else burns out or the battery dies.
Methinks this part must be of Lucas manufacture.

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Date: 20 Oct 94 11:10:10 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:Flashing Rover Update

Most of the Disco-gizmos Stephen relates to are also implemented
in the 87' Range Rover Efi I recently purchased. Assuming their
design hasn't changed too much over the years (which, in the case of
Land Rovers, is highly unlikely), perhaps we can infer from Range
to Discovery:

>  When the alarm is armed (via locking the driver's door or
>  using the remote), the parking lights flash three times.

The old Range doesn't implement this feature (the squeaking suspension
is alarm enough).

>  The interior lights do not immediately extinguish once all
>  doors are closed. Instead, they remain lit until the ignition
>  is started, or until a small amount of time has elapsed.
   ...
>  In addition to the standard turn signal indicator on the
>  dash, there's an auxiliary indicator for a towed trailer's
>  turn signals. When no trailer is attached, this auxiliary

The Range has both these features, and the still function perfectly
after now 7 years.

>  If you activate the turn signal and one of the turn signal
>  lamps has burned out (or has a poor connection), the turn
>  signal indicator flashes at twice its normal rate.

This feature even still works like this on my 22-year old 109 Station!

In other words:

" DON'T WORRY ... BE HAPPY ... (while you can) ... tralala ... boop... boop"

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Subject: Nige stops 'em Dead
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:46:04 -0500

"Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> writes:

> "Fergettit, pal.  Your fault, not mine.  Look, I'm prepared to live with the 
> new dent in my rear end (it balances out the other side, now) and I hope 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> and couldn't imagine how I'd ever get an insurance adjuster to believe ALL
> those dents were done at once.

        I thought the Jamacian got all pissed off with ol nige and walked
        around it Bates style beating it with his fists, lightly in some
        spots, heavily in others.  All the dents were done at once, or
        at least looked at.  Surely insurance would believe you then,
        especially if the police were witnesses.  At the very least, the
        dent in the rear crossmember *may* have slightly thrown the
        adjustment out on the frame.  A new frame is obviously required.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS, you need a big pintle hook on the back.  You could have taken
            out his radiator while you were at it...

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: 20 Oct 94 11:18:03 EDT
From: Keith Steele <75126.1123@compuserve.com>
Subject: Email

Bill Maloney

I don't like sending personal Email through the list but I'am about of options.
For some reason compuserve will not allow mail to an ATT mail system to be sent
through the internet.  To an ATT mail system I need to use the x400 system.  If
you know what your x400 system address is please send it to me.  For you to send
me mail directly from an ATT system you will need to use my x400 address.   My
x400 address is

country=us  ADMD=compuserve  PRMD=csmail  DDA=75126,1123

See you at the rally next year hopefully
Keith Steele
75126.1123@compuserve.com
'72 Series III 88 since new

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:34:59 -0700
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick)
Subject: LRO late again

>Has anyone here on the left coast received the October issue
>of LRO magazine yet?  Should I assault the postman?

You all should assault someone, I think you should have the mag by now. We
got the November Issue of LRO today over here (uk).

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:41:59 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Disco dual batteries / fuel economy

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Disco dual batteries / fuel economy
Has anyone converted to a dual battery setup for a Disco? Where did you
put it? Please advise!!! I "NEED" to do this, as I've started to install
the overindulgence of lights ;-) and will be installing a winch by next
summer.

As for the question on fuel economy, I have ranged from 11.5 to 12.8
around the city. (Automatic trans.) THIS IS IN U.S. MILES AND GALLONS.
Jurgen, would you please clarify your measuring units? Is that
kilometers per imperial gallon?

Also, for those of us who are "mathematically challenged" ;-) would
someone like to post a conversion chart for 1. U.S. miles/gallon 2.
kilometers/imperial gallon 3. kilometers/litre 4. any other units of
measure used.

Thanks,

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Disco dual batteries / fuel economy

David Laments:
> As for the question on fuel economy, I have ranged from 11.5 to 12.8
> around the city. (Automatic trans.) THIS IS IN U.S. MILES AND GALLONS.

Harry responds:
   As I reported earlier, I have been getting 15-16 city and 17-19 highway
(in U.S. miles per gallon).  We have the 5-speed and have been paying
close attention to keeping the tach between 2000 and 3000 RPM, which is
where the engine is most fuel efficient.  Have you tried using "3" or "2"
rather than "D" when in traffic? 
   One other thing... I am also getting ready to switch over to synthetic
engine and differential oil, which, hopefully, may help as well. 

Harry

P.S.  If you start putting lights on the roof rack, expect a further 
decline in fuel economy.  Sorry.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:05:34 +0000
Subject: Re: RR Malady

> It seems that the drivers' door lock is an actuator, with all of the other
> locks solenoids.  Whilst you sleep (curioisly, this always happens at night
> when no one is around to observe), the actuator fails/shorts, cycling all
> of the other locks until something else burns out or the battery dies.
> Methinks this part must be of Lucas manufacture.
Reminds me of a problem an ex-boss had with his fancy BMW:

He locked the doors, set the alarm and went on holiday for 2 weeks. When
he came back the alarm was unset & all the doors were unlocked! After the
palpitations has settled, he investigated properly and found that the
battery had gone flat. (no juice = no alarm & no active door-locks :-)

The next problem was getting to the battery: He had to park the car
off-centre in the garage (the car was so wide he needed the make space to
open the drivers door) and was unable to open the passenger rear door to
lift the rear seat to get to the battery. Kneeling on the other half of
the seat gave the wrong position to lift out the battery (this thing was
a big 800aH battery!?) He was unable to start the car to drive it out
(backwards and uphill) and pushing it was also out was a No-No.

In the end he had to call the breakdown services (not a member) to drag
the car up the hill AND buy a new battery.

The question are: did BMW use Lucas systems and will this affect the new 
LR models?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/       
           Play -- http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/
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Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:05:40 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  RR Malady

Thanks for the tip; I haven't (yet) experienced this particular malady on
mine but HAVE experienced the annoying malady of post-desert lockup syndrome
in which one or more of the doorlocks won't unlock (using the solenoids
activated by the driver's door lock) after roving around dusty deserts. 
As near as I can determine, it seems to be a design flaw in the plastic
inside lock levers and their guides; it can often be cured by blowing air
into them and lubricating them with graphite. The solenoids themselves 
seem to activate merrily but somehow don't manage to push the lever up enough,
seemingly due to the angle at which they are pushing.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:08:31 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:Flashing Rover Update

I can second Stefan's remarks here -- most of the said features are used 
on RRs and mine have (so far) given no trouble.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:10:39 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Disco dual batteries / fuel economy

Your 11.5 to 12.8 mpg around the city is about what I get on my 89 Range
Rover with the same engine and an automatic.

John Brabyn

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Disco Oil Change

  A quick note on the first oil change for the Disco:

  The undercoating is sprayed on with the oil plug in.  Consequently, the
plug is nearly impossible to remove the first time without a really big
wrench (1 1/8").  In addition, you can't use a socket, because the exhaust
pipe gets in the way. 
  Once you have wrestled the plug out, the copper washer will be rigidly 
adherent to it.  
  After that, smooth sailin'.

Enjoy,
Harry
'94 Discovery

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Land Rover TV show

Well in our area the public television network is Prairie Public TV.  In
your area, I guess you would have to consult your public TV station.  It
is one of the shows they produce as part of the public TV consortium.  We
watch the North Dakota TV as well as Detroit, so if they are carrying it
you should have no problems finding it in your area Tom.
The name New Explorers is the title of a weekly series and the one I am
talking about is the premier one for this season.  Sorry I can't tell you
more but I seem to recall that your neck of the woods has a big Public TV
system that looks after 4 or 5 states.  Dave VE4PN

On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, T.F.
Mills wrote:

> Dave Place writes:
> < I hope everyone gets a chance to see the season premiere of the New
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> T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
> University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: 20 Oct 94 17:18:48 EDT
From: Keith Steele <75126.1123@compuserve.com>
Subject: Stainless window channels

While my Rover is down awaiting a head rebuild I want to replace the totally
rusted window channels.  At the ROAV rally several people had replaced the Rover
parts with stainless channels they had acquired from a marine dealer.
Unfortuantely they were not able to remember where they had obtained them except
from a marine dealer someplace.  Does anyone know where in the US I can get
window channels that will fit into the Rover door and side windows in back.

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:27:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Camel Trophy

Please forgive me if I have asked this before, but I send a lot of mail
and I can't remember if I posted this to one person or the net.  Does
anyone know where I can buy this years Camel Trophy VHS tape.  I have all
of them back to 87 but I want this years, and I would dearly like to have
the first couple which featured "real" Ser III type Land Rovers not the
kind I cant afford :-)  I bought last years from Rover's North I think. 
Dave VE4PN

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Subject: junk mail on the information superhighway
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:21:50 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Should this be of interest to any of you.  Seems rather useless to me.

Forwarded as per Todd's request.
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Subject: Usenet RFD:  rec.autos.european
Summary: Proposed new group on cars of European design
Keywords: European, cars

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

Group Name:	rec.autos.european
Status:		Unmoderated
Distribution:	Worldwide
Summary:	Discussion of all aspects of the European school of
		automotive engineering and production.
Proposed by:	Eli Caul (isaac@solano.community.net)
		Todd Mullins (todd@mudbug.nrlssc.navy.mil)

This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
Creation.  Its language is based on previously submitted RFDs.  This RFD
is being crossposted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
rec.autos.misc
rec.autos.driving
rec.autos.vw

It will also be sent to the following automotive mailing lists:

Audi Quattro
BMW
British Cars
Exotic-Cars
Italian Cars
Jaguar
Land Rover
Lotus
Merkur
Porsche
Saab
Triumph TR7/V8, TR8
Volvo

CHARTER:

The proposed group is intended for discussion of driving, maintaining,
and enjoying automobiles developed by European manufacturers.

European culture has had a particular affinity for the automobile since
the early part of this century.  Like the continent itself, the cars of
Europe provide a rich variety of automotive experiences, from the
legendary Autobahn-stormers of Germany to the quirky but quaint
British runabouts; from the uncompromising performance of Italy's
mechanical wonders to the uncompromising individuality of the city cars
of France to the uncompromising safety of Sweden's robust cruisers.
The cars are part and parcel of the culture, as evidenced by such
events as the Mille Miglia and the Vingt-Quatre Heures du Mans, in
which participants could literally race their daily drivers.

There are a great many enthusiasts for these cars, be they SCCA or other
sportscar club members, armchair rally enthusiasts, or former owners
that like talking about cars they once had.  In addition, many older
European cars are now available relatively cheaply.  Since many of these
marques have ceased their operations in certain markets (such as
Fiat/Lancia and Peugeot in North America), this newsgroup presents an
opportunity for owners of such cars to share information, technical and
otherwise, that is now officially unavailable.

Cars of interest include, but are not limited to:

- - Classic roadsters (and their GT variants) such as MGA/B/C, Triumph TR2-6,
  Fiat, Alfa Romeo, and Ferrari Spyders, and Mercedes SL,
- - Traditional "sport sedans" such as BMW, Mercedes, and Audi,
- - All things Porsche,
- - Ordinary, everyday drivers like Volvo, VW, Renault, Rover, Fiat,
  European Ford, Vauxhall/Opel,
- - European offroad vehicles such as Range Rovers, Mercedes Gelandewagen,
  and European military vehicles,
- - Exotic marques such as Alpine, Aston Martin, Bugatti, Jensen, Lotus,
  Maserati, and McLaren,
- - Niche vehicles such as Rolls Royce/Bentley and Morgan.

Discussion should pertain to cars of a reasonably recent vintage, so as
not to overlap with rec.autos.antique.  Technical aspects of VW
products, as well as Porsche, Audi, and Seat cars with VW componentry,
should be directed to rec.autos.vw.

Volvo/Saab bashing is explicitly disallowed.

FUTURE CALL FOR VOTES

After the discussion period for this proposed newsgroup (no more than 30
days), a Call For Votes may be crossposted to the same newsgroups as
this RFD.  The voting period will last for at least 21 days and no more
than 31 days.
- -todd
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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=MACMGW/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 20 Oct 94 17:21:39 -0600
Subject: RE: questions about being shafted...

_______________________________________________________________________________

It could be lots of things but sounds to me like the trouble is in the diff 

i had the same problem about 3 months ago. while pulling away from some damp 
grass i must have slipped the clutch as the rear wheels got traction on the 
pavement and it started to click like clockwork. once every revolution so 
naturally i assumed it was the diff. 
  once i took the diff out i found 6 teeth chewed off the diff. some of the 
gears were only split on the inside track and seemed like they were in that 
manner for some time. meaning if the gears are only half broken the damn thing 
will still work without any noise unless the gears are broken on the outside 
track where all the torque is. in my case there were two gears on the outside 
that were broken in series thus creating that awful noise.. 
  i went to the local rover used parts guy and picked up a diff for 100.00 and 
slapped it all together in about an hour and was on my way. the axles were 
completely fine.

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:24:04 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: questions about being shafted...

Important!  Important!  

When you pull your shafts out, make sure your Land Rover has blocks around 
the wheels!  Otherwise, it will go wandering off into a nearby field by 
itself!  And a Land Rover is much to heavy to stop by yourself!

I know this from experience!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:25:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Henry Stevens <stevensh@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: October Issue: Got it - Read it!

I received my October issue of LRO a week ago, here in Calgary, 
Alberta (just east of the Canadian Rockies). Another great issue.

The difference may be that it appears Canadian subscriptions come 
directly from the UK to my mailbox (3D version that is), whereas when I 
was getting it last year in Boston, it had an different, US-based (New 
Jersey/New York??) return sticker on it.

Hope it arrives soon for all concerned. Time for me to renew.

-- Henry

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[|______|_______|]    Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
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From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:33:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: flashing Disco lights (there's a pun there...)

I imagine with amusement (and understanding of such pathological behaviour since
I exhibit it on occasion myself) someone sitting outside with the Disco
s remote transmitter, trying to figure out all the little features in its
logic controls.  My question is this:  How many times did the alarm go off
while you were doing this and how many neighbors lights came on?

Henry Wilson
'94 Disco 5-spd

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From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 23:03:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Disco Bull-bars

On a recent trip to Germany, I saw several different types of bull/brush
airbags, but how different can they be?), including chrome and black.  One
of the styles was the upside down "U" (about 2" diameter) with or without
"teeth" (vertical "support" bars) in chrome and black and another was a 
(larger) upside down "U" style with integrated headlamp protectors, large
round fog lamps on the grille and rectangular fog lamps below and lateral
to these at bumper level, flanking a European-shaped license frame.  In
Germany these cost 2000DM or about $1200 each, but everything there (
especially that which is imported) is scarily overpriced.  

My question:  Does anyone know of a way to get these in the USA?  Is there
a way to get them through Land Rover (they are Land Rover products).  In
general, Europe has much better access to Disco accessories than we do
since they have had the car for 5 years already.  Are Americans limited to  
Rovers North and dealerships?  I sure hope not!

Both of these Brush bars looked very cool--each a better design than the
one currently offered on US Discos, IMHO.

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rover TV show
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:37 -0600 (MDT)

Dave from the top end of the map writes:
 
< Well in our area the public television network is Prairie Public TV.  In
< your area, I guess you would have to consult your public TV station.
...
< The name New Explorers is the title of a weekly series and the one I am
< talking about is the premier one for this season.

PBS, eh?  I see I missed it on Wed, 9 p.m. -- durn!  (Sould be pretty
much same day and time throughout US.)  Fortunately, Denver has a
second "alternative" PBS station which shows the good new stuff two
weeks late (for people like me who often miss it the first time
around).

Thanks for the tip!

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 23:22:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Land Rover TV show

> Dave Place writes:
> < I hope everyone gets a chance to see the season premiere of the New
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> < Explorers.  It was a one hour program following a paleontologist Paul
> < Sereno a modern-day Indiana Jones as he ventured into the Sahara.

Great... So I'm at work on Thursday and one of my buddies says "Hey, did you
see the program on Channel 17 (the local PBS station) last night. Lots of
110 Land Rovers..."

I miss all the fun...   :-(

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: questions about being shafted...

Uncle Roger looses his Rover....
> Important!  Important!  
> When you pull your shafts out, make sure your Land Rover has blocks around
none

> the wheels!  Otherwise, it will go wandering off into a nearby field by 
> itself!  And a Land Rover is much to heavy to stop by yourself!
> I know this from experience!
none

I'm trying to picture this... (ROFLMAO) 
Roger pulls the half shafts, and is about to continue his repairs when the
wife calls him... He turns away from his work to answer and when he looks
back....  IT'S GONE!!! 
OH GAWD... THE ROVERS GONE...  Where did it go???
He looks furtively in all directions until he spies it - nestled admidst the
assorted agricultural products in a nearby field... The Rover in the Clover.

Oh man, it's too much to bear!!!

Cheers....
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)

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