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Date: 06 Oct 94 09:31:44 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused

David John Place is right in pointing out
  > ... don't under any circumstances touch the gas pedal

Apparently on 'cold start boot' the EFi computer enters a fairly simple
trial-and-error loop, the likes of

	Procedure ColdStart
	     while not (ignition)
	     do begin
		waitfor(6 x starter_revolutions);
		    if (motor_running) then 
		       ignition :=true
		    else
		       inc(fuel_air_ratio);
	     end;
	End;

It seems the program does no timeout-checking and, at this point, doesn't 
evaluate air flow or trottle opening, but assumes these to be fixed (default) 
parameters. Now if you begin pumping the gas pedal you're changing external 
parameters the program isn't aware of, it misses the crucial 'firing point' 
where the fuel-air chemical is right, and enters into an endless-loop, 
injecting fuel, and more fuel, and yet more fuel, until the cylinders 
are drowned...

Another thing, I recall reading somewhere in the V8 workshop manual that the
computer will perform erroneously if effective voltage drops below a certain 
level (I think it was 5 volts?) for any length of time. Now if you take a 
very cold battery, further drained by turning over a cold sticky engine 
(I assume you would be wise enough to disengage the clutch when cranking over 
at low temps??) then there might come a point where the computer looses its 
transient memory due to low voltage. Apparently the computer doesn't have 
a built-in backup battery either.

BTW, I've heard of freaks doing 'chip tuning' to efi systems. They pull out 
the original ROMS, transfer the program to EPROMS, debug and improve the 
software, and stick the reprogrammed EPROMS back in place of the old chips. 
Does anyone have more information on this?

Stefan
<100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Flashing Rover Things
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:11:50 EDT

> Steven asks:     
> Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By early, I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> you Series II owners can get a chuckle at my expense (i.e. humorous replies 
> encouraged). 

Bill replies:

> When I purchased my IIA, my parking lights wouldn't flash.  I changed some 
> bulbs and they still wouldn't flash.  I fixed the ground wiring and now if I 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> I thought the tailgate latches might not have held I would have taken off in a 
> flash. :-) 

Nigel's left parking light flashes.  Bang hard on the wing and it's on for 
good (it does turn off when you shut down the lights). Perhaps he's just a 
little ahead of his time.

rd/nigel

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From: Tom Luteran <toml@hpwadck.wal.hp.com>
Subject: Rover/HP diagnostics system..
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:22:58 EDT

  Thought you all might be interested in this piece which appeared in
  HP's Measure company magazine.
  
  Enjoy!

  Tom
--

  (This is not to be reproduced without permission from the author,
   Tom Ulrich, Tom_Ulrich@hp6600.desk.hp.com)

.......................................................................

                        Making History

OXFORD, England -- If history is written by its survivors, the
men and women of Rover Group have a compelling story to tell.
Ninety years in the making, Rover evolved from a nineteenth
century West Midlands bicycle manufacturer to a worldwide
supplier of twenty-first century automobiles and trucks.

Provincial from the start, Rover adapted to the global marketplace
through partnerships with British Leyland (1968), British Aero-
space (1988), Honda (1990) and BMW.

Driven to compete internationally, Rover recast much of its
product line before BMW purchased the lone British automaker
in 1994. Since 1990, Rover Group introduced series 200 and
400 coupes, redesigned series 600 and 800 sedans, launched
Land Rover Discovery and rolled the first MG RV8 off an Oxford
production line.

Rover emerged from an age of uncertainty in top form.

Last September, Rover introduced yet another subcompact. It has
four wheels and a power supply, but does not look or feel any-
thing like an MG. Its grey sheet-metal chassis contains a 486
microprocessor, a custom instrument board, a LAN card, a CD-ROM
reader and a 120 MB hard disk drive. This rugged analytical
computer connects to a DeskJet printer and supports a flat-panel
display.

TestBook, a new generation of precision instrument, grew out of
a partnership between Rover Group and the Integrated Systems
Division of HP. "We were looking for a company that had both
computer and test and measurement expertise," says Project
Director David Lawrance Hallgarth. "We were looking for a tool,"
he adds, "that combined diagnostic capabilities with vehicle
information to assist a technician making a repair."

"Rover did not want an off-the-shelf solution," explains John
Morris, ISD's project manager. "So we worked with them closely
to deliver a product that met their specific needs."

Rover and ISD engineers equipped TestBook with a vehicle communication
interface, digital instruments, expansion slots, battery pack and
a touch screen display.

Before this electronic toolbox arrived at Rover dealerships across
the globe, service technicians struggled to maintain all the computer
technology that design engineers placed in late-model automobiles and
trucks.

Diagnosing hard-to-find electrical faults, such as a flawed headlamp
assembly or an intermittant sensor, are among the greatest challenges
facing service departments in the 1990s. Industrywide, they account
for 20 percent of a dealership's repair log and are the major
reason for repeat repairs.

"Traditionally, a technician diagnoses electrical faults by swapping
parts," David Lawrance Hallgarth explains.

TestBook combines computer-driven service tools and diagnostic strategies
with on-line service information to guide a technician to the source of
a problem and suggest a repair. It contains a digital voltmeter (volts),
ohmmeter (ohms) and ammeter (amps) for evaluating an individual component
or a complete electrical system. These on-line tools find answers to
complex electrical problems that technicians with hand-held tools
often miss.

With touch screen technology and a direct link to the engine-control
computer, technicians use TestBook to identify and repair faults that
appear in the base engine and electrical systems such as anti-lock
brakes, gear box, lamps and power windows.

If the headlamp circuit fails, the technician need not spend two or
three hours pulling connectors apart, swapping parts and perhaps,
creating new problems. He can follow the prompts given by TestBook,
perform the necessary tests with its electronic tools and fix
the problem; tasks that should take him about ten minutes to
complete.

TestBook tracks the fault to a single wire or connector and
specifies the procedure for making the repair. The technician can
review the latest service information, product manuals and technical
data using a CD-ROM based, technical information system.

Once a technician completes the repair, TestBook prompts him for the
cause of the failure. TestBook records this information and transmits
it back to the factory so that Rover engineers can design even more
reliable automobiles and trucks.

For elusive problems that occur on the road, a technician uses a
customer flight recorder (CFR) that he plugs into the vehicle's
data-communication link and sends home with the customer. When
trouble occurs, the driver presses the button and the flight
recorder gathers diagnostic information.

After the recorder captures the data three times, the customer
returns to the dealership where the technician uploads the information
to TestBook and completes the diagnosis.

TestBook reduces the time it takes a technician to find an electrical
or engine management fault by an average of 20 percent and helps him
to diagnose the problem correctly the first time.

"Dealers are surprised by the usefulness of TestBook," says David
Lawrance Hallgarth.

To outfit a workshop with all the equipment required to service and main-
tain a modern automobile, dealers must purchase an engine analyzer, smoke
meter, gas analyzer, diesel tester, suspension tester and wheel
alignment rack. "Every time a dealer buys a new piece of diagnostic
equipment, he buys a personal computer," says Brian Cade, principal
engineer for TestBook. "From now on, a dealer needs to buy one PC --
TestBook."

TestBook executes all functions for engine analyzers sold by Bear,
Crypton and Sun. This electronic toolbox, with its guided diagnostics
an on-line service information, will replace the meters and the gauges
found in a dealership workshop by the middle of the decade.

"There are as many people involved in the development of TestBook
as the development of the new MG," says Paul Chappelle, product
manager for the diagnostic computer. TestBook required five develop-
ment teams within Rover and six within ISD. Together, HP and Rover
assigned the project 75 engineers.

"HP Support for TestBook has been phenomenal," says Andy Griffiths,
Technical Support Manager for Land Rover. "The partnership between
Rover and HP works well."

"This alliance changed the way we do business," says Bill Russell,
Computer System Operation Manager for HP Europe. "We no longer
limit our success to short-term gain. Bringing TestBook to market
demanded that we develop a strategic application with the customer
following the production schedule of the cars and trucks it is
designed to serve."

Six years in the making, TestBook grew Rover Group from a (pound)
1 million to a (pound) 50 million account. It is part 1 of Rover
Group's long-term strategy for combining service, sales and parts
information across a company-wide data highway.

"Rover's commitment to TestBook is bigger than a model release,"
admits Andy Ridyard, diagnostic engineer at Land Rover. "For a
model release: you launch and in a few years time, it will go."

"TestBook is like the Range Rover without end."

(Tom Ulrich writes for HP's Integrated Systems Division in
Sunnyvale, California. He wrote Another Roadside Attraction,
an essay about Biosphere 2, for the January-February 1994
issue of Measure.)

--
+----------------------------------------------------+
| Thomas Luteran           | INTERNET address:       |
| Hewlett-Packard Company  | toml@wal.hp.com         |
| Medical Products Group   | HP TELNET: 1-659-4770   |
| 3000 Minuteman Road      | VOICE: (508) 659-4770   |
| Andover, MA 01810        | FAX: (508) 686-1258     |
+----------------------------------------------------+

+ Opinions presented above are my own & not necessarily those of my employer +

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Subject: Re: Rover V8s: EPROMS 
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 07:44:43 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Stephan asks,

BTW, I've heard of freaks doing 'chip tuning' to efi systems. They pull out 
the original ROMS, transfer the program to EPROMS, debug and improve the 
software, and stick the reprogrammed EPROMS back in place of the old chips. 
Does anyone have more information on this?
none
	Well I don't know that you would call us freaks, just everyday
ordinary folk out for MORE POWER! The EPROM replacement business is very
large here in the US, where we Americans have a seemingly insatiable 
thirst for more horsepower. I tried one of these little babies on my 93
BMW 325is, made by DINAN Engineering. It claimed an boost of 18 percent in
the horsepower deparment, going from 189 to 223, and it raised my mileage
from 22.5 to 26. The chip cost almost $600 US, and if you have an automatic,
I didn't, you had to buy two chips, one for the engine, and the second for 
the trans. There are lots of ads in the US magazines offering chip upgrades
for various makes and models. The only one I've seen for our Solihull pride
and joys is made by an outfit called ROVERCRAFT. They advertise in LRO as 
a chip upgrade sold in combination with an exhaust refit to boost horsepower
to 190 on the 3.9L V8. Not very impressive considering it started at 182. That
in combination with the cost of L458.25 makes a little discouraging. Of couse
you CAN spend more to get more. L783.34 get you a new camshaft and associated
bits to give you 225 BHP. And if you're really an enthusiast ( OK, a FREAK),
L1774.45 nets you another 10 HP to 235 BHP buy adding a "complete performance"
exhaust system to the above mods. I'm not one to scoff, but L1000 seems a bit
steep for an exhaust system.
						Rgds
						Mike Fredette
						94 DEFENDER 90
						Portland, Oregon

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:03:15 -0400
From: Dave <Dave@scooby.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LRovers in Canada?

Dear all,

There is a possibility that I may be moving from the UK to Canada
(Toronto), which means I will have to sell my 1980 Series III SWB.

Does anyone know if LRovers are available in Canada?

I suppose ideally I'd like to get hold of a second hand 90 Turbo Diesel
(Yup, I wanna move up in the world!) So if anyone has any info on
availability, pricing etc, I'd be really greatful!

Cheers for now,

Dave

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 08:05:45 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of layshafts, etc.

>In message <199410041629.MAA08508@transfer.stratus.com> "thomas r. coron"  >
>Hope you get it fixed OK.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
>                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

If you're coming out this way, you should stop by Scotty's anyhoo.  Mine will 
probably be there (at least one of them), and who knows how many others.  
Plus, Scotty's a great guy. 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Thu, 06 Oct 94 08:07:13 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: GOT MY '94 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!!!

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB204 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: GOT MY '94 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!!!
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! Ahem... um... "Oh, by the way... I received my new
Land Rover Discovery last night." Absolutely incredible vehicle!!! I had
it in the dirt within 2 hours of picking it up, I... well... I "HAD" to
try it out! ;) Sigh... how on earth am I EVER going to get any work done
today??? Well, there's always Tomorrow. ;)

Administrators: Please update my Bio:

    Vehicle: '94 Land Rover - Discovery
             Automatic
             Leather seats
             Dual Air conditioning
             Dual sun roofs
             Jump seats (seats 7)
             Rino bars
             Rear lens guards
             Tinted windows
             Pin stripes (This should last long!!! ...RIGHT!!!)
             Black

Wish list:   Winch
             Off road lights
             Expedition rack
             Rear door latter (for rack)
             Skid plates (Anyone know any sources?)
             Nerf bars
             CD stacker
             Deep water snorkle air intake (Anyone know any sources?)

#=====#                  Never doubt that a small group of individuals
|___|__\___              can change the world... indeed, it's the only
|   |   |  |             thing that ever has.
""O""""""O""                                             -Margret Mead

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Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:39:07 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Netters Going to VA Rally?

Are any other netters going to the Virginia Rally?  So far, I know besides 
myself, Sandy Grice (of course), Russell Burns, Mike Lodice, and Ben Smith 
will be there.  It would be nice to be able to connect the faces/Rovers to the 
names. 

See ya there! 

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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From: "thomas r. coron" <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc.
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 12:58:40 EDT

> >Nothing new to report.  I haven't talked to Scotty for about a week and a
> > half. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                               
 I might just do that - I'm going to be busy - daughter getting married,
 etc. - but may be able to sneak away for awhile. I'm going to be in the
 Campbell and Santa Cruz areas the week starting Oct. 14th. Where
 exactly is Scotty? 

 Tom Coron      tcoron@s850.mwc.edu
 King George, Va. 
 '66' IIA 88 RHD

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:49:26 +0000
Subject: Re: Rover/HP diagnostics system..

> Last September, Rover introduced yet another subcompact. It has
> four wheels and a power supply, but does not look or feel any-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> computer connects to a DeskJet printer and supports a flat-panel
> display.
Ah, but what's the badge on the front?

(If it's Land Rover, can I get one for my my PC? :}

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/       
           Play -- http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/
#======================================================================#
I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain.  |  it in the mud.

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused

I have only had experience in 0-30 F so not extreme cold -- so far havent
had any problem (knock on wood).
However I seem to remember being mailed a service notice a year or so
ago from LRNA via the dealer, about starting in high altitude / cold weather.
I am afraid I might not have kept it, but it indicated that they acknowledged
the problem existed. I think their proffered fix was just not giving it 
throttle or something like that. Anyway harrassment of LRNA might get a 
response??

I have found in very cold weather a couple of other annoying things like 
one of my door latches getting very stiff. You would think RRs etc would 
be specifically immunized from these conditions! The trouble is when it's 
that cold outside you can't even investigate the problem or you freeze to 
death.

Let us know what you find out

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:18:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused

Yes if you could send all of us the ROM info it would be greatly loved.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Source for Discovery service manuals?

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, David John Place wrote:

> Try CARTECH at 1-800=551-4754.  They might just have what you want.  I
> know they have the other Land Rover Books.  Dave VE4PN.  PS I am hoping to
> have their catalogue in a few days.
> Let us know if they have RR manuals as well. I have the factory manual, 
none
which is pretty good, but I always find the more manuals the better!

Thanks

John Brabyn
89RR
> Try CARTECH at 1-800=551-4754.  They might just have what you want.  I

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Universal joints

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:

>      While I was getting ready to go to the Bay State Rover Club 
> Rally, I discovered that one of the universals on my front 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> identical spider for the universal.  The part was made by Spicer 
> and the part number is 5-153X.  The cost was about $10.

As a matter of interest, I foun=d out that u-joints for RRs are also 
available from the usual US foreign poarts suppliers for about $20. I 
don't know who they are made by though.

John Brabyn

89RR

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:42:06 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused

On the general subject of EFI etc, does anyone know whether a diagnostic 
instrument is available to plug in to the connector used by the dealers
to diagnose problems? There is a manual diagnostic procedure described
in the manual, which I have used, but it takes a long time using a multimeter.

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:08:27 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc.

In message <199410061700.NAA05995@transfer.stratus.com> "thomas r. coron" 
writes:

>  I might just do that - I'm going to be busy - daughter getting married,
>  etc. - but may be able to sneak away for awhile. I'm going to be in the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>  King George, Va. 
>  '66' IIA 88 RHD

Jim "Sotty" Hawet, lives at the end of a dirt road in Concord CA.  It is a 
little East of Oakland and a 3 to 4 hour drive from where you will be staying.

He is a very interesting person to talk to and has a lot of Land ROver 
knowledge.  When he had his old British car shop, he was a dealer authorized 
warenty repair shop for Land Rovers.  Generally Sundays are the worst day to 
visit.  You can reach his answering machine at 510-686-2255.  If he is in the 
shop and near the phone he might pick it up, but most of the time you will get 
the recorder.

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused

I think you could overcome the memory lapse from a cold vehicle, and I
intend to try it up here in Manitoba, but using the solar panel you plug
into the lighter socket.  This will "trickle charge" the battery keeping
it warm, and it will keep the battery up to you won't loose the memory.  I
realize that most of the cold times are at night, but in Manitoba, we
often leave the vehicles outside during the day when we are working, and
since we are up in areas where there is no power, I think this will be a
good trick.  I have seen this unit on sale lately for as little as $39.00.
Most marine dealers have them if you have problems getting one.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:44:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: First Oil Change on New Disco

First things first:
   I got the call Friday night.  Two hours later I was in heaven.  We had 
waited four months for a 5-speed.  Although we thought we wanted the base 
model, the loaded one that came in was too nice to pass up.  As it is, 
Beluga Black, 5-speed, leather, dual sunroofs, rear seats and A/C.  
   Saturday morning, the salesman took me on their offroad course in a 
Defender to show me how to handle obstacles and work the transmission.  
It was incredible what that thing could conquer.  I have always been a 
believer; now I am a witness.

Okay, enough rejoicing.  My question:
  Being the loving owner that I am, I intend to change the oil after the 
first 1000 miles (which will be momentarily).  I have been persuaded by 
the rec.autos.tech crowd to go with synthetic.  What's the best weight to 
use?  The dealer suggested 10W40 or 15W40, but the only synthetic I can 
find is either 5W30, 10W30, or 15W50!  The manual implies you can use 
most, provided the temperature doesn't hit the extremes ( I live in 
Maryland).

Part II:
   The manual says to refill the oil before changing the filter to avoid 
draining the pump prime.  The service guys advised me to just replace the 
plug prior to removing the filter.  Make sense?

No longer waiting,
Harry 

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From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com <John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM>
Date:  6 Oct 94 18:57:12 EDT
Subject: Thanks posting about the Bay State Rally!

I've just moved to California (Bay area) and I was not able to make the rally 
this year.  :(
Looking forward to meeting the CA rover folks!

John Hong

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:16:10 +0800
From: growl@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell)
Subject: Re: First Oil Change on New Disco

> Part II:
>    The manual says to refill the oil before changing the filter to avoid 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> No longer waiting,
> Harry 

  I'd believe the manual on this one, the pump will stay full if the filter
is still on. But, since you are changing TYPES of oil, you want to get out
as much of the old oil as possible. For THIS first oil change. I would drain
everything at once, then follow the manual on subsequent changes. The procedure
in the manual minimises the time that the engine runs before the oil pressure
comes up. Something I always do to to help this is to fill the new filter as
full as possible with fresh oil before screwing it on. Hold the filter at about
the angle that it mounts when you fill it so you won't have oil running down
your arm when you screw it on.

Regards, Bill G. 

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Subject: 90 hard top
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 94 22:48:43 -0500

TerriAnn says to take off the roll bar from the NAS 90's and slap a 
regular hard top on.

great idea, except that the NAS 90 has no bulkhead behind the seat and 
the roll bar is designed to be an integral part of the vechile.

Great idea though TerriAnn, good lateral thinking.

regards

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:07:06 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 4-cylinder cookery

I went out to Scotty's last night, and did indeed try cooking brownies on the 
engine.  (Sorry, TerriAnn, I'm not sure I can make it this weekend.)

So, it took me about 50 minutes to get from my place in San Francisco to 
Scotty's in Concord.  When I got to Scotty's, the Brownies were still fairly 
liquid.  (Had it been a college dorm, spoons would have been whipped out 
before you could say "raw cookie dough".)  The side closest to the engine 
seemed to be closest to being fully cooked.  I think another 20-30 minutes 
would do the trick.  (Getting stuck in traffic would just about do it, I 
think.)

I used one of those disposable aluminium loaf pans you can buy at any grocery 
store.  I paid $1.79 for 3 of them.  I mixed up the batter, then poured it 
into the pan.   The pan slid right in (with a little coercion) between the 
carburetor and the top of the engine on top of the exhaust manifold.  It 
worked great, and would work for lasagna, spaghetti, just about anything.  
Or, get a non-disposable one, and wire it in, then just toss your ready-made 
burrito (wrapped in foil, of course) in to the pan and don't worry about it 
going anywhere.

Sure makes me wish I drove more!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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