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1 maloney@wings.attmail.co94Stowe & Stuff
2 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s17Roverpix
3 Mike Fredette [mfredett@29[not specified]
4 sim1@cornell.edu (Steve 38Re: Land Rover photo request (followup)
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6 CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR 47Mid-Atlantic Rally
7 "Russell G. Dushin" [dus43Re: Defender 90 success
8 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak28Re: Defender 90 success
9 Jan Hilborn [jhilborn@mo14Re: Defender 90 success
10 rbrooks@lobby.ti.com (RI25Camel Trophy gear?
11 "The X Window System 22109 nada
12 "John R. Benham" [BENHAM28 Weber 2-barrel Carb.
13 Bruce Harding [Bruce_Har66Re: Weber 2-barrel Carb.
14 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn106Re: 4-cylinder cookery
15 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn32Re: Fourth of July in Canada?
16 "Stephen O'Hearn" [7270023Defender 90 success
17 Russell Burns [burns@cis34Tail of the panhard bushings.


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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 08:07:44 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Stowe & Stuff

I just returned from a whirlwind tour of New England and what a great time.  I 
stopped at Rich Zeigler's in Rutland VT and he had 4 Rovers in the driveway, 
all of which he was doing major work on.  I'm happy to say that he seems to be 
doing OK now.  The next stop was the British Invasion at Stowe VT.  While 
parked in town getting a sandwich for the afternoon, an MG TD sputtered and 
died on the road in front of me.  I helped push it off the road and proceeded 
to help the owner troubleshoot the problem (he didn't know the first thing 
about the mechanics of the vehicle).  The starter would crank just fine so 
first we checked for fuel.  OK.  Next for spark at the plug wires.  No spark. 
 No spark at the coil wire either so I pulled the distributor cap.  There was 
lots of oil on the plate and in the cap so I cleaned it up with brake parts 
cleaner then started again.  Still no spark.  Then I tried turning the engine 
over to get the distributor cam to the high point to check the point gap.  The 
fan and pulleys turned and turned but the distributor shaft did nothing.  
Oops!  More than I can handle with my toolbox!  Fortunately, the fellow had 
trailered his MG down from Ottowa so he wasn't completely stuck.  As we worked 
on his vehicle some very unruly folks in a rather tatty Land Rover passed by. 
It looked vaguely familiar.

The show was great fun.  I think there were around 20 Rovers on the field and 
there were some familiar faces and familiar names:  Steve Denis with his manly 
beard, Mike Lodice with his manlier beard, Dixon Kenner with his manly cheeks, 
and the not so manly Jan Hilborne.  I got lots of exercise as Steve Denis 
chased me around the field in his 109.  Fortunately, with his head and 
whiskers sticking out the driver's side window, the drag coefficient of his 
Rover was raised from .89 to 3.725 and I was easily able to keep ahead 
of him. ;-D  It took a while for him to run out of gas, however.

That evening we (the Ottowa club) treated the Rovers North crew to a spaghetti 
dinner ala Bates and Mike McDermott.  Wow these guys can cook!  And for 40 
people!  One thing I discovered is that the only thing funnier than reading 
Dixon's account of Bates & the Bear is hearing Bates tell about Bates & the 
Bear.  With all the colorful language and inflections.  :-D

The following morning a number of us went to McD's for breakfast and I had a 
chance to meet Dixon's significant other.  Very attractive and she actually 
likes Land Rovers!  Hey Dixon, does she have a sister??? (Mike Lodice made a 
comment about their tent rocking that night but I was unable to verify this)

Seabrook.  On the way as I was heading up hills in OD at full throttle I 
noticed a revving noise as cars would go by.  It went away as I crested the 
hills and I thought nothing of it.  Until it happened with no other cars on 
the road and I realized my clutch was slipping.  :-( I took it easy for the 
rest of the drive.  I guessed that I had not left enough clearance in the 
clutch pedal pushrod when I worked on it before I left and that there was 
always pressure on the clutch.  I thought that maybe if I cracked the bleeder 
screw the pressure would be released and all would be fine.  When I arrived at 
my brother's I gave it a try but it made no difference.  I called Rich Ziegler 
and explained the situation.  Rich explained that the 1/16 clearance between 
the pushrod and piston was necessary to allow a secondary valve in the master 
cylinder to reach a certain point, and allow the fluid to bleed back into the 
reservoir.  He said in the worst case, the clutch can pump up after a few 
strokes and then you have no clutch at all.  There was nothing for it but to 
pull the wing and do the adjustment properly (yes I could have pulled the mud 
shield, but that would have meant pulling the floor, tunnel cover, tire, hood, 
and bleeding the system.  No way).  2.5 hours later I was done and glad I went 
through the trouble.

>From there it was on to Mount Desert Island in Maine and along the way I saw a 
Defender 110 coming down 95 in Maine.  Boy, did his head turn.  I also stopped 
at LL Bean in Freeport and didn't buy a thing!  

Mount Desert Island was several days of mountain biking, hiking, sight seeing 
and Park Ranger guided tours (Beavers, seals, porpoises, bald eagles and all 
sorts of other birds).  I had Mako Shark for the first time.  God, it would 
melt in your mouth!  I even had it a second night, it was so good.  And the 
girls were really friendly.  You knew it wasn't New Jersey.

Heavy rain on the trip back caused the interior to fog up faster than the 
defroster could cope.  I plugged up the passenger heater duct with paper 
towels as I drove and that seemed to help, but the driver's side defroster 
just doesn't put out as much as the passenger side.  And I have had most of 
the dash apart to see if any of the ducts had come undone.

I had no other problems aside from the clutch and the 109 ran really well, 
usually between 100-110 kph, very happily.  I'm really pleased with the 
rebuild.

Now that I've finished unpacking I have to start packing the 88 for the Bay 
State meet out on Cape Cod this coming weekend.

See ya there... maybe.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com
 
P.S. - Bill C. - Sorry about the fouled up messages.  I'll be more careful in 
the future

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 09:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Roverpix

Thank you, whoever posted the notice about pictures on the Roverweb,  I 
downloaded them and they are fabulous.  The picture of the Disco in the 
mud excited me, even though the mud could have been a little deeper.  
Looks like this one is going to be able to stand with its predecessors 
after all.  I keep trying to think of ways to turn my little squirty 
honda civic into a LR 88 IIA but it's not working.  Thanks for all of the 
entertaining stories that I've read over the net...Maybe someday I will 
have some of my own.

Happy Rovering,
Steve
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

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Subject: Re: Defender 90 success 
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:53:58 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Does anyone know how well the Defender 90 is going in the states. I've just
spoken to an Australian Rover dealer who told me that the Defender 90
was really in a sales slump and that Rover were consdering pulling the
90 out of the states. Is this dealer b/s or is it based on fact?

Rod
_____________________________________________________________________________-
  Rod
	I'm afraid that you been the victim of dealer b/s. Our dealer here in 
Oregon can't keep the things on the showroom floor, though I'm at a loss as to
who is buying them, I have yet to see another one on the road in the 4 months
I've had mine. My freind in Los Angeles, California says the same thing, and he
sees them all over the place down there. My wife and I were in Boise, Idaho 3 
weeks ago, and the dealer there had the same story, all allocations of Defender 90's
are sold within one week of arriving to the dealer. Land Rover North America, I'm
told, has assured the dealers of at least 2 more years of production, then, based
on sales figures, a decision would made about the vehicle's future. From what
i've seen, I would say that it's future is relatively secure, particularly when
you take into acount that Land Rover has done very little in the way of advertising 
for the D90. A few 1 page magazine ads in the car type rags, and that's it. Contrasted
with the Discovery ad campaign which was very aggressive, for Land Rover, in this 
country.
								Rgds
								Mike Fredette
								Portland, Oregon

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:55:11 -0400
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: Land Rover photo request (followup)

Randy Parker wrote:
>There are a number of photos on the RoverWeb from different sources,
>including all the LR photos that I could find on Compuserve and AOL.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Lynx) at:
>        http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html

About a month ago, my computer at work was upgraded with more memory and a
larger hard drive allowing me to load and run a World Wide Web browser
(Mosaic).  I'd like to commend Greg Hiner for RoverWeb.  If you can run a
web browser, take RoverWeb out for a test drive.  Not only does Greg have
stuff he has put together, but he has also provided a connection to
LandRover from Australia.  The web address for that is:

        http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/

I now have jpeg views of a Series III 109" station wagon; 3 special
vehicles: a Range Rover 6x6 Fire Tender, a 101 Forward Control, and a MWG
ESCARO 8x8; and a picture of 7 short wheelbase series I's in a line (pickup
cabs, soft-tops, and hard-tops) gracing my color monitor all the time.  If
I can get access to a color scanner, I'll send Greg a picture of my 107"
wagon taken before it became a kit.

My thanks to Greg Hiner and to L. (is it Lloyd?) Allison in Australia for
jobs well done.  Take a look.

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:24:49 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally

Okay, here it is...the *LAST CALL* for the Mid-Atlantic Rover Rally.  If
you haven't sent in you registration ($10) *DO IT NOW*  The site is way out
in the sticks, so if you don't register, we can't feed you.  We need to get
a head count to the caterers (Sat. lunch & dinner, Sun. lunch & dinner).

To date, we have over 40 Rovers from as far away as Sarasota, Florida
registered as of Sept. 27. Not included in this list is the contingent from
Rovers North (Pam and Charlie, Lanny and maybe Mark and Andrea), Bruce at
British Rovers (tech session Sat. AM: "Getting more horsepower from your
2.25"), Chris "the Badger" Laws, Jim Allen (freelancer for LRO), five
carloads from LRNA, and maybe a contingent from ABP.

The price of Saturday's BBQ has been reduced to about $9...it'll include
BBQ and baby back ribs plus all the trimmins'.  Sunday lunch about $5 and
another $9 or so for Sunday dinner.  There will be a keg of pilsner and one
of dark ale from "Legendary Brewing" a local micro-brewery.

*Lots* of activities and prizes, six-color T-shirts, and some nifty items
on the silent auction table.  RN's donating a "Max" tool, BR a hi-lift;
also, the Camel Trophy pictorial book; the big "Pull-Pal" will be raffled
off.  We have *the only* stash of Camel Trophy memorabilia in the country,
some of which will be given away.  Also, look for the debut of the '94
Camel Trophy video.

The trials course is complete...and the mud pit has filled with water
thanks to this week's rains.  A "feeley-meeley" box, vehicle judging,
teeter-totter and blindfold obstacle course are other attractions.

The site is in Buckingham County, the geographic center of Virginia.  The
site is on County 671 two miles west of US Rt. 15 and five miles south of
the James River.  (You're a Rover owner...that should be more than enough
navigational information)  US Rt. 15 intersects Interstate 64 at Zion
Crossroads 20 miles east of Charlottesville and 45 miles west of Richmond.

SEE YOU THERE!
    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 success
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 12:12:27 EDT

> Does anyone know how well the Defender 90 is going in the states. I've just
> spoken to an Australian Rover dealer who told me that the Defender 90
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> 90 out of the states. Is this dealer b/s or is it based on fact?
> Rod

and Mike Fredette from Oregon disagreed.

BUT, here on the east coast, methinks they ain't quite selling so well.  Most
if not all dealers around have 90s on the lot, and I've seen many a demo 
advertised for weeks on end.  The Disco, on the other hand, is an entirely
different story.... I think that in these parts, and maybe elsewhere in the
US excluding the western edge, the success of the Disco is at least partly
responsible for the luke warm reception of the 90.  Fact of the matter is that
most middle of the road americans want creature comforts, a quite ride, and
shelter from the storms.  The spartan interior, open-air cockpit (or nearly
so with the full soft top), lack of seating capacity and excessive tyre noise
of the 90 make it a less attractive buy for essentially the same bucks (as a 
Disco) for your *average* american in the spute market. There just ain't as
many folks out this end that are attracted to this type of a rig.

In retrospect, it was a wise marketing ploy to release the limited number of
110s, wait awhile, release a flood of 90s, wait again briefly for the "really
wannahaves" to scarf 'em up, then release the Disco-which everyone will 
want. However, had they waited just a few months longer to release the Disco,
90 sales would have been better and the Disco market would not have evaporated.
I suspect that if the price of the 90 dropped significantly lower than
the Disco then 90 sales would pick up.  Personally, I've been playing a 
waiting game with myself and any dealers willing to play along....eventually,
they'll hopefully be willing to talk on price.  Alternatively, there will
surely be used 90s coming on the market as the rich and famous realize they
made a mistake (their mistake, not mine or yours), and the price for one
of these "never been off-road" babies could be right.  So far, the best 
price on a used 90 I've seen was $25K, and all it had was alloy wheels (which
would have to go), a full top, and ac.

rd/nige

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:31:57 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 success 

In message <9409281453.AA23410@pdx242.intel.com> Mike Fredette writes:
> Does anyone know how well the Defender 90 is going in the states. I've just
> spoken to an Australian Rover dealer who told me that the Defender 90
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Rod
> _____________________________________________________________________________-

San Jose British Motors (yes a British motors dealer actually survived the 
British Lealynd collapse) has a stock of Defenders & Discos.  They seem to have 
3 or 4 of each whenever I drive by.  

They used to have a bunch of Jags and 3 or 4 Range Rovers on the lot.  Now the 
new rolling stock looks to be about half Jag and half Rovers (range, Defender & 
Disco).  I only see a Defender on the road about once a week but see almost a 
Disco a day.  The must be selling like hot cakes.  I think both Defenders & 
Discos are selling well here & the BMC dealer just baged a large allotment for 
being a long time dealer in a high income neighborhood.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 12:57:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 success

 I have to concurr with Russ for Defender sales here in the east. I've 
asked a round a bit if, say, oh, maybe in a year i might be able to get a 
used 90 at a (somewhat) reasonable price and basically what i've heard is 
that in a year or so i'll probably be able to get a *new* 90 at a 
(somewhat) reasonable price.
 of course even at a *very* reasonable price i won't be able to afford 
one but a girl's gotta have some dreams...
  
  jan

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From: rbrooks@lobby.ti.com (RICHARD D BROOKS)
Subject: Camel Trophy gear?
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 13:13:51 CDT

LRO family,
  Was prowling the bargain bin of my local Megahuge-don't-ask-questions-cuz-
we-just-sell-'em-is-all bookstore this weekend when I happened upon a slim
volume entitled _Land Rover_, edited by Chris Bennett.  It's an Osprey
publication from the UK, 1992.  Some super pix; classic machines (many are 
pristine) as well as plenty of Defender 90 and 110 action shots.  Picked
the thing up for $7.50 US and spent a halfhour scouring the bin for another
copy...unsuccessfully.  Many of you are no doubt familiar with the volume
but it was an unexpected pleasure for me to run across it.
  In a chapter in which the Camel Trophy is covered (and D90 fans will *love*
some of the gooey shots of the scout team winching one of their mud-bound      
machines along lying almost completely on its side...no hugely concerned 
looks on anyone's face as though "oh no problem, plenty more really tough
stuff up ahead no doubt but this is no big thing."), Bennett says 
"Camel Trophy is now a brand name in its own right and markets a collection
of watches, clothing, luggage and footwear..."  This was news to me.
Anyone have info about where one might obtain such gear?
Thanks,
Richard Brooks

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 15:54:45 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: 109 nada

Last night, I need to pick up a few things for dinner on the way 
home so I spun around one of the Rt. 2 rotaries to come out 50ft
behind one of the 110 Defenders seen in the Cambridge area.  Had
to do my shopping so I pulled into the Boomer Spawn-filled lot
of the yup market (Bread & Circus) and there in front of me is a
*beautiful* 109.  Light green, great body, original parts, etc. etc.
Owner is just getting in so, of course, I bug him.  Name of
Marvin Rosen and the vehicle is a '67 NADA.  Talked with him
for awhile and I believe Jory also met him before he moved
west.  Quietest LR I've ever heard.  Engine actually purrs at
idle.  Apparently, he was up in Stowe with it so it might be
familiar to some here.  Marvin had a flyer which indicates that
this is going to be for sale and gives the impression that he will
be restoring/reselling them in the area.  I expect he'll be online
in a short while....

monty

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:33:31 +1100
Subject:       Weber 2-barrel Carb.

Dear LRO's,

    I recently installed the Weber 3236/Pierce manifold/K&N air filter 
setup on my 1968 2.25L SWB L/R (how's that for achronyms!).  The
instructions supplied for linkage conversion were awful - lots of 
detailed wording with ambiguous descriptions offering no illustration 
referral!
    Anyway, I have found out that modifying the stock linkage 
in numerous permutations of position and order doesn't supply the 
necessary throw-length to engage the second barrel on the carb.
    HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS OR HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS 
PROBLEM?  WOULD A THROTTLE CABLE SYSTEM WORK BETTER?

Thanks,
John R. Benham - Editor
N.3616 Dowdy Road                 `The Rover Runner'
Spokane, WA  99204  USA               ______
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 15:10:37 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Weber 2-barrel Carb.

Text item: 

        John,
        The linkage on mine was a hack job by the previous owner.  I have a 
        problem of engine surge when I go over a bumpy road at a slow speed 
        in 1st gear.  It gets into this jerky motion.  The problem is that
        the only spring on the carb itself is the return spring for the         
        secondary.  I purchased the Weber throttle liknage kit from British
        Pacific to convert to a cable setup.  There is a bracket that attaches
        under the manifold nuts.  This bracket is setup for a cable housing  to 
        be attached.  There is another piece that attaches to the throttle      
        spindle.  This piece is setup for the actual cable to be attached.  
        There is also a spring that attaches the two brackets together.  If
        you want, I can fax the 1 page diagram that came with the kit.  I 
        haven't actually installed it yet...a fall evening project.

        Bruce_Harding@ccm.hf.intel.com

        
Dear LRO's,

    I recently installed the Weber 3236/Pierce manifold/K&N air filter
setup on my 1968 2.25L SWB L/R (how's that for achronyms!).  The 
instructions supplied for linkage conversion were awful - lots of 
detailed wording with ambiguous descriptions offering no illustration 
referral!
    Anyway, I have found out that modifying the stock linkage
in numerous permutations of position and order doesn't supply the 
necessary throw-length to engage the second barrel on the carb.
    HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS OR HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS
PROBLEM?  WOULD A THROTTLE CABLE SYSTEM WORK BETTER?

Thanks,
John R. Benham - Editor
N.3616 Dowdy Road                 `The Rover Runner' 
Spokane, WA  99204  USA               ______
                                     |______\_____
1968 88 IIA Marine Blue      *---   [|_/-\____/-\_|}
  The `BWANA' Mobile           *---    (O)    (O)

509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E-Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:27:38 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 4-cylinder cookery

> Roger Sinasohn was bold enough to point out...
> >So, those who tried out cooking on their engines...  How did it work out? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> 1.  On the way out, we knew we had several hours
>     of glass-time:

Glass-time?  You didn't use glass, did you?

>     - chuck roast, 1lb seasoned -- two big pieces,
>       seasoned.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>     Since the centers were rare/firm, we thought
>     that cutting the meat and vegetables into smaller
>     pieces might be a way to cook `em in 5 hours.

Sounds like a good meal for me -- I'm a meat eater, and I like it rare.  Maybe 
4 hours for smaller pieces would do it for me.

> 2.  One day at lunch, needed a simple meal.  Bought
>     at a grocery store in Grand Junction:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>     We must mixed it all together in a pie pan and
>     ate a good percentage of it.  The chili was
>     really greasy -- but hey -- good.

Sounds like a good idea.  Maybe some of the gourmet sausages that are popular 
around here (San Francisco Bay Area) would be good.

> 3.  The best meal was the most simple.  In Grand Junction
>     at a grocery store, bought:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>     more variety/quantity to the vegetables cause it is so
>     easy at the salad bar portion of the grocery store.

This is probably the best news for me -- My girlfriend doesn't eat red meat, 
and I like chicken just as much as beef or whatever.  (A little more 
versatile, too, I think.)  Do you think the chicken was done when you stopped? 
 Probably, with the leftover heat from the engine, plus the heat of the 
chicken, it actually kept cooking after you stopped.  Sounds like a great meal 
for a trip to Reno for us.  <drool>

> OTHER NOTES:
> -  The 2.25 petrol engine is actually a two burner stove.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>    wrap up your meal in two packages -- about 3x3x6 inches
>    each.

I was thinking perhaps an aluminum loaf pan slipped in between the carburetor 
and the engine on top of the manifold might work.  If I found one that fit, I 
could just wire it in and leave it, then just dropp wrapped meals into it to 
cook.  

I also saw a couple of 9" round cake pans that if you turn one upside down, 
fit flush.  They had holes in the handles to wire them together and to 
whereever.  If only I could find a place for them...

> -  Wire on the can with the hole punched in it.  Ours fell
>    off into the fan -- put a few dents in the can and we
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>    to catch itself on the generator and LULU *still* has a big
>    chili stain on her generator.

The book seemed to encourage just tossing things on the engine, but that seems 
a bit risky to me.  I'd rather spend a few cents and a few minutes and run 
some wire around to keep dinner in place.  Especially if going off-highway!

> -  Jim and Lisa (might be wrong on these names) from Wichita
>    also cooked.  They had pre-cooked their meals and were
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>    in some other forum.  They were all smiles one day at
>    lunch whilst they were dining in the mountains, though.

This is probably Jim & Robin Merriam?  They had a Range Rover?  He's a former 
Camel Trophy guy, and when I went two years ago had a great beat-up 88 with a 
soft top.  Nice folks.

> -  If you look closely, our meals were on the front part of
>    the trip.  The LROA rally was pretty packed and it took
>    some time to get things prepared.  It was determined
>    that eating out was also fun and took less time.

I guess this is a better technique for long trips alone, rather than something 
like a rally.  I do remember that we ate out most of the time (or at least 
with everyone else) when we went two years ago.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
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> - 80 MGB                               - xx
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the great info!  I really appreciate it.  I can't wait to try this! 
 I'm thinking of trying brownies on the way out to Scotty's next time I go.  
(About 45 minutes, should be just about right.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:28:03 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Fourth of July in Canada?

>         The previous weekend is the annual Birthday Bash, hich generally
>         gathers people from all about.  Hmmm, Dominion Day is a Saturday.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>         California types.
>         Rgds,
>         Dixon

Southern California types!  Ha!  I'm from San Francisco, where it's always 
the 
coldest 50F (28c) you'll ever feel!  Heck, I was there in February when it 
was 
*really* cold!  <g>

Well, I found out that registration starts the day before, and there may be 
goings on Monday and Tuesday anyway.  So maybe I'll come up for the weekend 
before *and* after, that way I'm sure to catch whatever's going on.  The 
birthday bash sounds great!

Hmmm...  I could leave the week before, drive out cooking on the engine all 
the way...   <g>

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: 28 Sep 94 21:51:39 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Defender 90 success

Can't say if it's fact or not but Defender's seem to be selling reasonably
well at my local dealer (Los Angeles). Not as well as Discovery's of 
course. 
The last I heard was that the Defender was going to be available with a
removable hard top for '95. Word from a Denver dealer is that a "limited
edition" Defender is available. Get this: 100 units, black paint, and
leather seats! This gave me a good laugh. But the North American spec
model seems to be quite different from that in other markets so low sales
and higher production costs may be a concern to Solihull. Given the price
of the Defender I'm sure a lot of people balk at buying one (myself
included). For the same money you can get a Discovery which probably
gets a more positive response from the family. Next time I go buy the
dealer I'll ask if they know.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Tail of the panhard bushings.
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 19:55:39 PDT

Well, my bushings from RN showed up this afternoon, and since I
really didn't accomplish anything at work. I decided to replace
my pan hard bushings. After talking with Charley fro RN at the 
Rally on Co., and reading the article in LRW it looked rather
easy. My only concern was reinserting the bushings, but Charley
assured me that by using the Rover frame, and a hydraulic jack
the bushings could be pressed in.
So out come the mapp torch and presto, lots of smoke, and flames,
but I am good with fire, and presto out comes the center bushing.
A few licks with the hack saw, and a couple whacks with the chisel,
and step two is done.
A little work with the vice, and the bushing is started. Out to the
garage, set up the jack, jack up the truck, jump on the bumper,
cuss, swear.. and no dice. So try a little heat... no luck.
BF hammer.... no luck....back to the vice with a cheater bar..,,
it goes in half way..... more heat..... more cussing.... no luck.

So here I sit , the car stuck in the garage and the builder is 
supposed to install the garage doors tomorrow. I am down in
the basement looking out the window, trying to figure how to 
build a hydraulic press.  six tons would lift a house..... Then is hits 
me... the window in the basement, two feet wide 10'' of poured
cement.. bingo a few chunks of 4*4 the jack sitting sidewise and presto in go the bushings. Although there is a new crack in the basement wall by the window. I do have three other windows...

The clunk is gone, the truck rides like new, and the guy 
who is just too stupid to know when to quit does it again.

Russ

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