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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: 4-cylinder cookery
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:19:11 -0500 (CDT)

Roger Sinasohn was bold enough to point out...
>picked up "Manifold Destiny" from the library t'other day.  It is not 
>exactly in depth, and the recipes, for the most part, don't seem all that 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>appetizing, but it's the concept that's important.  If you know how to cook, 
>you can come up with your own recipes.
You are right that the book is sort of wimpy, but it does
give you enough motivation to try it.  We did, read on!

LULU's kitchen secrets revealed:

Although we had big ambitions for manifold cooking
we only prepared three meals:

1.  On the way out, we knew we had several hours
    of glass-time:
    - chuck roast, 1lb seasoned -- two big pieces,
      seasoned.
    - carrots, onions, potatoes -- quite a bit, whole.
    we cooked this for 5 hours across western kansas
    and eastern colorado.  We wolf-ed it down and it
    was tasty.  The meat was rare and the vegtables
    were borderline firm -- but hey -- good eating.
    Our conclusion was that 6 hours would be better.
    Since the centers were rare/firm, we thought
    that cutting the meat and vegetables into smaller
    pieces might be a way to cook `em in 5 hours.

2.  One day at lunch, needed a simple meal.  Bought
    at a grocery store in Grand Junction:
    - low-fat hot dogs.
    - can of chili.
    Cooked all 10 dogs.  Punched a hole in the chili
    can and just set it in place.  This was only
    on the mainfold for about 2 hours -- it is really
    already cooked and we just heated it up.
    We must mixed it all together in a pie pan and
    ate a good percentage of it.  The chili was
    really greasy -- but hey -- good.

3.  The best meal was the most simple.  In Grand Junction
    at a grocery store, bought:
    - boneless, skinnless chicken breasts (qty=4)
      only seasoning we had was salt.
    - onions/greenpeppers/onions already cut up at
      a salad bar.
    On for probably a total of 6 hours but only cooked
    for 4 hours.  Jan worried about when we stopped
    (total of 2 hours) but the engine apparently kept
    things warm.
    These were GOOD.  The next time we might add some
    more variety/quantity to the vegetables cause it is so
    easy at the salad bar portion of the grocery store.

OTHER NOTES:
-  The 2.25 petrol engine is actually a two burner stove.
   The front burner is wide open, but the back burner
   (on LULU at least) has some choke and heater cables
   that restrict the height of the package.  So
   wrap up your meal in two packages -- about 3x3x6 inches
   each.
-  Wire on the can with the hole punched in it.  Ours fell
   off into the fan -- put a few dents in the can and we
   sure wondered what was happening under the hood.  Didn't
   even stop, cause we were in a convoy.  The can just happened
   to catch itself on the generator and LULU *still* has a big
   chili stain on her generator.
-  Jim and Lisa (might be wrong on these names) from Wichita
   also cooked.  They had pre-cooked their meals and were
   storing them in a portable refrigerator.  They were
   also using the RangeRover stove.  He was supposed to show
   me the burner layout, but never did.  Since he is not
   a RoverNet member we will have to get feedback from him
   in some other forum.  They were all smiles one day at
   lunch whilst they were dining in the mountains, though.
-  If you look closely, our meals were on the front part of
   the trip.  The LROA rally was pretty packed and it took
   some time to get things prepared.  It was determined
   that eating out was also fun and took less time.
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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
         "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:18:36 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Scotty Conversions

Ray Writes: 

none
-- A "130 horse marine" version of the 4cyl is 
   desirable cause it has extra horsepower. 
   Would need a car exhaust manifold, however. -- There is a marine alternater 
that has a built 
   in regulator so that only one wire is needed 
   Makes generator to alternator conversion simple. -- Claims like: 
   o  more power 
   o  fewer oil leaks 
   o  hydraulic lifters 
   o  cheaper parts. -- Can easily convert back if stock is desired. 
none

Ray, 

I would shy away from the marine powerplant.  Yes, it will give you more 
power, but at a very specific and narrow power band.  You'll find little 
torque/power down low, gobs around 2500-3000rpm, then none above that.  Marine 
cams are designed to maximize power and efficiency at much more limited power 
bands.  I'd stick to a car engine if you want to do it (or better yet, get 
another Rover engine {if your current engine is unrebuildable} and put a lot 
of care into a proper rebuild).  I just put 2700 km on my 109 (2.25 gas) going 
from NJ to Stowe to Portsmouth NH to Mt Desert Island Main and was passing 
about 1/4 of the traffic in 65 mph zones.  100kph on the flats and 110 
downhill (speedo may be reading low).  And used no oil. 
The engine has about 5000 miles on it from rebuild with 0.020 pistons, chrome 
rings, and .200 (?) milled off a 7-1 head (9-1 compression? This was an 
accident.  I had it milled .100 to bring it up to 8-1 specs, then discovered 
it had already been milled.  Creative sculpting of head and timing cover made 
it fit).  The sucker flys now.  Rebuild your engine right and treat it well 
and you'll be very happy with it (the Delco alternator's not a bad idea, 
though).  And you won't have to fabricate your exhaust system. 

Bill 
Wayne, NJ USA 
maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:18:23 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: TerriAnne's Engine Problem

TerriAnne, 

Don't give up hope.  If he dumped something in the oil filler it would go 
into the sump and the finer stuff would be sucked through the strainer into 
the oil pump then caught in the filter.  The greatest impact would be to your 
oil pump but it appears to be functioning normally, if the gauge is accurate. 
If he dumped it in the breather cap (less likely) on top of the valve cover, 
this could damage the lifter components and cause the pushrod ends to wear.  
Again the finer stuff would go through the oil pump and get caught in the 
filter.  Your bearing surfaces should have been protected. 

I'm glad you didn't select 2nd or 3rd when your layshaft broke.  I wish I 
could say the same for myself when I broke mine.  $$$OUCH!!! 

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with this guy.  I can't believe he 
would be so childish as to hold your gear in exchange for your side tops.  
What a nightmare. 

Good Luck.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

none

installed and I could hear the engine, I noticed that it was making noises.  
I called Scotty about them.  He asked about the oil pressure which was 60 
above 1000 RPM and 45 about 600 RPM.  He said it could be a number of things 
such as aworn fuel pump lever on a different cam (I reused my old pump), or 
the rocker arms hitting he valve cover.  He said as long as the oil pressure 
was good dive it.  Sine the MG still had a burnt valve and I didn't have 
money to get it fixed, I drove it.  Meanwhile, my neighbor mentioned that 
that guy had come by again.  I assumed he had noticed the lock on one of the 
sides and given up. 

At 300 miles, I changes the oil filter and oil.  There was a bunch of grit in 
the filter housing.  I immediatly called Scotty about it and was told not to 
worry. That it was normal for there to be some particulate matter when an 
engine with all new parts first gets started up...

none

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:23:08 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: LONG-engine problems

In message <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS>  writes:
>  would you like to borrow my "oss demolition and sabatoge" book which reveals 
> all the tricks used by the cia to blow up things. ie home made bombs??? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> immediate 
> area......

Ben,

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not so much angry as very sad that someone would 
actually do that kind of thing to another person.  Its just not right!  Besides,
destruction isn't my style.

On the other hand if a guy who lives in Aptos CA and works at Devin winery tries
to buy Land Rover top sides from you.  Don't sell them to him.  He's welcome to 
mine sometime soon after Hell freezes over.

The hard part is going to be paying for an engine rebuild, getting back on the 
road, and still have money left to drive to Spokane and purchase some Doormobile
parts between christmas and New Years.

Oh well, no one ever said life was fair

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:29:44 +1100
Subject:       Maifold Cuisine...

Dear LRO's,

    Years ago, I worked one summer with the U.S. Forest Service in 
Northern Arizona.  We, the ones out in the bush, learned to heat up 
canned food via manifolds.  Heating with an open fire was taboo since 
the reason we were out in the bush was fighting the fires!  There was 
only one rule to remember when heating up one's lunchen can - put a 
small vent hole in it.  Our entertainment was to wait in anticipation 
for the new guy to fail to put a vent hole is his/hers can!  What a 
blast!!

Sincerely,

John R. Benham - Editor
N.3616 Dowdy Road                  `The Rover Runner'
Spokane, WA  99204  USA               ______
                                     |______\_____
1968 88 IIA Marine Blue      *---   [|_/-\____/-\_|}
  The `BWANA' Mobile           *---    (O)    (O)        

509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E- Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 10:03:18 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Sidney's new pal

Reminds me of a few weeks ago in Mill Valley when I saw two white RRs parked 
at the local supermarket with a gap between. I parked mine (also white)
in between to make it 3 in a row and wished I had my camera! One of the other
owners emerged while I was there, and we exchanged politenesses, but she
didn't seem interested in talking about the Black Rock Desert!

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, Ca
89RR

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:29:36 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Rally

Pardon the use of bandwith as this is for Keith Steele...my direct E-mails
get bounced back undelivered....

Good timing!  The $10 covers incidentals (trash bin, porta johns, tent
rental, etc.)  Meals  tickets will be purchased on-site when you arrive.
About $9 for dinner, $5 lunch.  Beer is on us...a keg of pilsner and one of
dark ale from "Legendary Brewing" a local micro-brewery.  Camping is
readily available on site (the first one's there get the leveler sites,
hint, hint)...stay over 'till Monday when I figure most will head home. Try
to get your registration form mailed in, but I'll log you into our database
in Quatro-Pro nonetheless.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 10:11:54 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Discovery, Some problems

I imagine the Discovery uses the same power steering box as the RR, and I can
testify that leaking is its normal state! I had mine fixed at great expense once
and now it leaks again; at the momnent I just live with it and top it up
occasionally! I don't know why a decent steering box and/or seal hasn't been
adopted after all these years. Maybe we'll get a BMW one soon!

John Brabyn
Mill Valley, California
89RR

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Date: 27 Sep 94 13:33:28 EDT
From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com>
Subject: New Advenute/rental company to meet Land Rover needs

All, 

Just wanted to inform all oversea Land Rover nuts out there that I have 
started American Land Rover Adventures. A Company to allow people to 
explore the USA & Canada in a Land Rover. Lots of extras, mountain bikes, 
tents etc. 

Send e-mail for brochure. 

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:35:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim Harincar <soc1070@128.101.63.1>
Subject: Re: Every journey is an adventure

Speaking of rover adventures...

I concure that its really great that the old rovers are so simple to fix,
but the problem is old stuff fails... :-)

My first taste of this was on my return voyage from purchasing my first
Rover, a 66 IIa 88. My wife and I flew out to NY to pick it up, and drove
it back, seeing some sights and taking a few days off. 

My first incident was at Niagra Falls. You see, this is the first vehicle 
I've ever had with a push button starter. I couldn't get the truck to start.
I *knew* the carb was out of whack (flooding), and hoped that it didn't 
get really wet. That was when I noticed that the key wasn't in the 'on' 
position. Sheesh :-)

About the time we got passed Buffalo, we lost the generator. The weather was
nice, so we decided to keep going, driving only in the day to avoid using
the lights.

Two days and about 800 miles later, outside Madison, we lost most of the
battery. And it had started to rain. We push started it out of a gas station
(love those old manuals...) and drove the last 250 miles in the rain with
no lights, no signals, me manually flipping the windshield wipers. I would
have been sunk if I couldn't manually flip the wipers on those old wiper 
motors. As long as we were moving, everything else I could live without.

We made it home about an hour before nightfall. Just.

As I turned the corner to my house, the truck died and I coasted to the
curb right in front of our house. :-) The battery was completely flat. 

Just like pilots who say 'any landing you can walk away from is a good one',
I say, 'any time the rover gets you where you're going before it dies, the
journey's a success'. I slept well after that drive...

(BTW, it wasn't really the generator, just a lead wire from the gen to the
voltage regulator).

--
tim harincar                   "Bad roads, good people.
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu          Good roads, all kinds of people"
or harincar@internet.mdms.com   - Anita Espinoza, 
                                  El Rosario, Baja California  

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Subject: WOX 688
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:40:59 -0500

"Mr Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk> writes:

> > >      Now that Dixon has a copy of the picture of my Land Rover 
> > > stuck, I'll never live it down.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Talking of getting stuck: Page 111 of Octobers LRW has someone peering 
> over the back of his SWB. Anyone want to admit to this?
That is my plate.  I think the person in the back is Jerry.  I look 
forward to seeing the picture in LRW. 

BTW, IT WASN'T MY FAULT!  The previous time I did that section, it was a 
piece of cake.  Someone had gotten really stuck and left an underwater 
trench for me to drive into.  Noone, least of all, me, expected to get 
stuck there!   Being first in line,  and feeling pretty macho about it 
too,  drive a few feet and get stuck!  Ugh.  And all those witnesses.  
Both the Land Rover and myself redeemed ourselves at the Rock Face, 
getting over it without too much trouble.

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Re: Stuck, yeah Right...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:10:40 -0500

LANDROVER@delphi.com writes:

>    But then the missus came in and noticed the Grease in the living
> room and bellows "How many times have I told you not to work on your Rover
> in the living room. Out to the kitchen with you! Out, Out, Out!"
>  Well..at least it's not as bad as the time I tried to de-grease the tranny
> in the bathtub...   <g>

        Amazing how they react isn't it.  I had a similar reaction a few
        years ago when she came home and saw an A block sitting on the
        dining room table.  Don't understand, I used newspaper underneath
        it.  I should have been wiser and put the gearbox there.  When
        the ensuing reaction begins to build, I'd just go into the archives
        here and pull TeriAnn's message about her fixing the gearbox on
        the dini9ng room table.  Methinks there are double standards at
        work...  She could wash the dog in the tub, but I can't degrease
        an engine?  :-)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: squeeky trans
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 12:36:53 -0500

Thanks to all those people who gave me advise as to why my trans was 
making a squeaking noise.  It was unanimous - the clutch release bearing. 
As I plan to pull the motor, I will fix it then.

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Fourth of July in Canada?
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 09:15:27 -0500

Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> writes:

> I just got the Call for Papers for the 1995 Cognos North American User 
> Conference, and it's going to be held in Cognos' home town of Ottawa, June 
> 28-30, 1995.  Seeing as how the OVLR group is so active, what are the chances
> of something happenning that following weekend (Which would be the Fourth of 
> July weekend here in the states)?

        The previous weekend is the annual Birthday Bash, which generally
        gathers people from all about.  Hmmm, Dominion Day is a Saturday.
        I wonder if we get the Friday or Monday off...  Must be the Monday
        if the conference goes to Friday.  As per that weekend, it is far
        to early to know what is going on that weekend.  We only plan the
        major events way in advance.  The rest of the stuff is done two
        months prior to the event.  There has been talk about moving the
        bash to a long weekend, but go to late and it is too warm out.
        (for us at least.  Would probably feel like winter to the southern
        California types.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: WOX 688
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 09:35:33 -0500

"Mr Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk> writes:

> > >      Now that Dixon has a copy of the picture of my Land Rover 
> > > stuck, I'll never live it down.
> Talking of getting stuck: Page 111 of Octobers LRW has someone peering 
> over the back of his SWB. Anyone want to admit to this?
none

        Jerry Dowell peering over the back of Dale's Land Rover when it
        was stuck in the canal leading up to the rock face & Dale had
        left the winch control cable back at camp.  The give away for
        the photo is the blue cloud coming from the tailpipe.  Could
        only be Dale... :-)

> Er, Russell -- _Please_! did it have to be a BMW? :-)

        'twas tempting to use it for the SAAB pull...  :-)  We were good...
        (Unfortunately...)

> (sounded like a good party!)

        :-)  :-)  :-)  :*)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 23:35:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Thanks to Jurgen Klus for all the Disco comments.  I'm happy to say I 
can't confirm the quality control problems you reported; my 3.9 Disco
is burbling along quite nicely with hardly any defects at 7500 miles,
and that's with some medium duty off road use.  Perhaps they sorted
this stuff out before it came to the US!
Henry Wilson
'94 Discovery 5 speed
'59 Austin Healey 100-6 (It's a roadster, not a convertible...|
!!!

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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:14:55 +1000
From: rwalker@dolphin.fen.qut.edu.au (Rodney Walker)
Subject: Defender 90 success

Does anyone know how well the Defender 90 is going in the states. I've just
spoken to an Australian Rover dealer who told me that the Defender 90
was really in a sales slump and that Rover were consdering pulling the
90 out of the states. Is this dealer b/s or is it based on fact?

Rod

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Rodney A. Walker                                  44 Ford GPWS
Space Centre for Satellite Navigation		  44 Willys MB
Queensland University of Technology               88 Cherokee
George St, Brisbane                               90 Wrangler
4000, Queensland, Australia                       85 CJ7, 85 J10
voice +61-7-8705187                               44 GPA, 44 Dodge Truck
fax   +61-7-8641517                               79 Cherokee Cheif
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