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From: "Mr Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 08:57:37 +0000
Subject: famous rover owners

Here is the current list of famous people with Land Rover vehicles (or 
good connections with them)

Please send and additions/corrections to Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk

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Kevin Costner - a black 88 (I, II, III, hybrid?)
Ross Perot - Several  -- Series IIa's and III's
Robert Wagner - ?
Robin Williams - 90 Defender, but used to drive an 88 before Mork
Janet Jackson - Dicovery?  (Gift from agent or someone)
John Rhys Davies - ?
Sting - discovery
Oprah Winfre (sp?) - Defender (90/110?)
Sylvester Stallone - 109

Anika Rice (UK TV personality) - RR based dune-buggy (UFS 475 Y?)

Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman - Range Rover LWB
Demi Moore and Bruce Willis - Range Rover LWB
Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid - Range Rover LWB
Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith - Range Rover LWB
Mel Gibson - Range Rover
Michael Douglas - Range Rover
Jane Fonda - Range Rover
Emilio Estevez - Range Rover
Patrick Swayze - Range Rover
Jack Nicholson - Range Rover
Stefanie Powers - Range Rover
Michael J. Fox - Range Rover
Rod Stewart - Range Rover
Cher - Range Rover
George Michael - Range Rover
Barry Manilow - Range Rover
Michael Jackson - Range Rover
Rosanne Barr-Arnold - Range Rover
Richard Branson - Range Rover

?Kath from EastEnders (UK)? - Range Rover <-- actually, it was her 
boyfriends.

Elizabeth Windsor (et al) - Range Rovers, dicoveries and Defenders 

          Queen Elizabeth - A Bronze Green 110 Defender (manual)

Ralph Lauren -- approached LRNA with the concept of a Ralph Lauren RR
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Date: 26 Sep 94 11:05:19 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <PREID@csi.compuserve.com>
Subject: Stuck, yeah Right...

I just opened my issue of NewsWeek and in the middle of it was a GTE Mobillink
ad picture featuring an LHD bronze-green IIa 88 with no top or hoops supposedly
stuck in about 8" of water. 

 There isn't even any mud on the tires!  The thing is not even up to the
Hubs!!!!  

Anyway, some guy is standing up on the passenger seat yakking into a cell-phone
looking like he is calling for help.  All I can say is that he either ran out of
gas or must be a heck of a bad driver... 

They should have used a Jeep in the picture... then it would have been
believeable!

Anyone know whose car this is?  I have noticed GTE has used both  Land Rovers
and Range Rovers in their TV commercials... any explaination, or coincidence?

R. P. Reid

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Date: 26 Sep 94 12:03:52 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: New Range Rover

Folks:

The Sunday Independant in the UK mentioned that this week Jag is ann0uncing a
new Model and that Land Rover will be unveiling its new Range Rover as well this
week.

I have seen a bunch of spy shots of the new RR (looks like an explorer, if you
ask me) but it'll be interesting to see what the final undisguised version looks
like.

Regards, 

R. P. Reid

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 12:30:51 -0400
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Stuck, yeah Right...

>I just opened my issue of NewsWeek and in the middle of it was a GTE Mobillink
>ad picture featuring an LHD bronze-green IIa 88 with no top or hoops supposedly
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>of
>gas or must be a heck of a bad driver...

Actually we discussed this when the TV ad first appeared.  I stated then
that I chose to believe that the guy was calling in to the office:  "Yeah
Boss, I'm on way to that sales call now."  Or maybe he's ordering out for
Pizza...

Regards,

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg              Interactive Telecommunications Program
 Technical Administrator                         New York University
                          berg@acf2.nyu.edu
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               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life.
                      I can see it no other way.
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 13:29:23 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Rover on TV

Well, if you can pull yourself away from the season premier of DS9, check
out "Archaeology" at 8 PM on The Learning Channel.  It's this year's
premier and the debut of my 88" on international television.  John Rhys
Davies will be narrating the prologue to the show on the Antietam
Battlefield leaning on the passenger door.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Rover on TV
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 17:18:24 EDT

> Well, if you can pull yourself away from the season premier of DS9, check
> out "Archaeology" at 8 PM on The Learning Channel.  It's this year's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Davies will be narrating the prologue to the show on the Antietam
> Battlefield leaning on the passenger door.

and on what night will the moon(s) shine??

rd/nige

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 14:52:44 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: LONG-engine problems

In message <Pine.3.89.9409241518.A27698-0100000@dale> "walter swain 
(wcswain@ucdavis.edu)" writes:
> Hi Teriann,
none

> I was set back a few notches when you posted your concerns about somebody 
> (a Land Rover owner, no less) puttimg dirt in your new engine.  It's not 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> of really strange people out there.  Somebody in Berkeley was putting 
> sugar in gas tanks on a seemingly random basis some years ago.

Everything locks and my bonnet has been constantly locked since the Land Rover's
been back on the road after its engine and transmission rebuild last year.

The story:
While the engine was being rebuilt, a customer of Scotty, who lives near me and 
has a 109 with a soft top was shopping for a full hard top.  Scotty had the roof
section but no sides.  He knew I was thinking of replacing my roof sides with 
ones from a 88 station wagon (modified of course to get the extra length).  I 
was after those large opening windows near the rear, and blank walls forward for
cabinets.  Scotty sold this person (now refered to as Mr X) the roof and gave 
him a set of station wagon sides to trade with me. Mr X called me and introduced
himself and we briefly discussed the changes I wanted to make in my Land Rover's
top.  I told him it was on my "plan to do one of these days list" but I wanted 
to concentrate on getting the Land Rover back on the road again.  He asked to 
come over to see my car, meet me & look at the sides.  I told him where I live 
and when I usually get home from work and set a time up for him to drop by that 
evening.  When I got home, changed clothes and went out to work on the car, I 
noticed that a door was not closed and the access door for my propane tank was 
not latched.  When Mr X droped by at the appointed time, I asked him if he had 
been by earlier & he said yes.  Thats when I first started getting a funny 
feeling about him.  He mentioned how inmportant it was to him to have a hard top
as soon as possible and pressed me about swaping sides.  It was still during the
rainy season and I had parts in the back that I didn't want exposed (knowing 
there would be some time before I could lengthen the sides).  He visited a 
couple more times while I was home, and there was at least a couple of times 
when my neighbor warned me of a stranger going up the driveway to my house when 
I wasn't home(nothing like living in a place where traffic is infrquent enough 
that you look out the window when you do not recognize the sound of the engine).

I was hooking up the engine that Scotty bebuilt when Mr X dropped by a last time
(that I was home).  He acted like he wanted to be my best friend, offered to 
bring wine up, and pressed me for the sides.  I finally relented, and named a 
day a month away when the car should be on the road and the rainy season should 
be over.  I told him we could pull the sides together & swap them at that time. 
He seemed satisfied even though he really wanted the sides sooner.  He told me 
he was going to visit Scotty that weekend and asked if there was anything I 
needed.  When I brought the Land Rover's transmission home from Scottys, I burnt
a valve in the MG, and forgot the transfer case intermediate gear & shaft 
(oops).  I asked if he wouldn't mind bringing it back for me (I had the engine 
installed & hooked up by that time and was putting the transmission in).  He 
said he would be happy to do it.  The weekend came and went with the land Rover 
assembled except for the transfer case intermediate gear and an exhaust pipe.  I
had fired it up and called Scotty letting him know everything worked OK except 
for the water pump that leaked (I swaped it out with the one from my old 
engine). 

 Mr X did not drop by with the gear.  I just assumed he was busiy and did not 
get a chance to drop by Sun evening.  He did not drop by Mon or Tues evening. I 
called him Wednsday.  He said he head the gear but wouldn't give it to me untill
I gave him my sides.  After a heated discussion where it became very apparent 
that he was holding my transfer case intermediate gear ransom for my sides, i 
hung up and started for his house.  He met me half way and we continued the 
heated conversation.  He said he did not want to wait for the sides and if I 
wanted my gear, i could go back home an pull the sides.  I said I didn't 
understand why he was behaving that way.  They were my parts, and we had 
agreeded to trade sides on a certain date.  He said that he didn't believe that 
I would do it and wanted to force me to do it now.  I told him that I would call
the sheriffs dept and report a stolden gear.  He told me he was going to get rid
of it right away.  So I left, and put a wire & paddalock on one of the sides so 
he couldn't come up and steal them.  

I called Scotty the next day.  He told me that he had a spare gear & shaft that 
he could  give me.  I called him again Sat morning to make final arangements for
Ian (Scottys youngest son) to bring up the replacemnt gear when the UPS 
delivered my gear from Mr X to Scotty.  Ian came straight over with my gear.  I 
put it in, drove the Land Rover around the house, happy as punch, and ready to 
go on expidition.  

During the following week I was able to take the car to a muffler shop to get an
exhaust pipe put on.  Since I couldn't get the hood latch to line up properly i 
moved a padalock form a petrol filler hasp to the bonnet pin.  When the pipe was
installed and I could hear the engine, I noticed that it was making noises.  I 
called Scotty about them.  He asked about the oil pressure which was 60 above 
1000 RPM and 45 about 600 RPM.  He said it could be a number of things such as a
worn fuel pump lever on a different cam (I reused my old pump), or the rocker 
arms hitting he valve cover.  He said as long as the oil pressure was good dive 
it.  Sine the MG still had a burnt valve and I didn't have money to get it 
fixed, I drove it.  Meanwhile, my neighbor mentioned that that guy had come by 
again.  I assumed he had noticed the lock on one of the sides and given up.

At 300 miles, I changes the oil filter and oil.  There was a bunch of grit in 
the filter housing.  I immediatly called Scotty about it and was told not to 
worry. That it was normal for there to be some particulate matter when an engine
with all new parts first gets started up.  I had a trip paid for and no other 
car, so the land Rover made a trip to the white montains and back without any 
problems other than the noise.  Afterwards, I took it to Scotty's house to see 
if he could figure out the noise.  We eliminated the valve cover and the fuel 
pump, but he couldn't spend much time looking at the car because his wife needed
him and he needed to go in (she was in late stages of cancer at the time).

Well, not having another working car, I continued to drive it, changing the oil 
& filter at regular intervals, finding additional grit each time in the filter 
housing and trying to wait for a decent period after Jean died to approach 
Scotty to try to get the noise fixed.  The oil pressure was up and the engine 
ran fine, and Scotty was a 4 hour drive away, and I did not have any other 
transportation.  During that time, whenever I changed the oil & filter and say 
yet more grit, I started to get this sinking feeling that Mr X had gotten even 
with me for not giving him the sides to my Land Rover.  But the damage was 
already done when the engine was fired up.

So.. when the layshft broke and I dropped the car off at Scottys on my way back 
from Portland, I asked him to look for the cause of the sound and told him my 
suspisions.  He told Brad, and Brad said he wanted to be there when the oil pan 
was pulled.

Last Sat I was at Scottys, to look at the broken lay shaft & the gears (the 
gears survived) and pay him some money.  Scotty pulled the oil filter housing 
and saw the grit I had been telling him about.  He agreed with me that it looked
like dirt.  He hasn't pulled the pan yet, but I suspect the engine is going to 
need a complete rebuild.

I can not prove that Mr X came to my house and put dirt down my oil filler tube.
No one saw him do it.  The time between Scotty finishing the engine and my 
putting the padalock on the bonnet was the only time this could have been done.

  If this is indeed what happened. i have no legal recorse, and I do not have 
insurance that covers this.  The bonnet was padalocked from the day I went to  
get an exhaust pipe installed.  It was open for a couple of days between the 
time i had the argument over my intermediate gear with Mr X and when I took it 
to the muffler shop.  Jim swears the engine was clean when it left his place.  I
have not heard from Mr X since the argument, when he abruptly stopped asking me 
for the sides.

  I think I'm screwed.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: 26 Sep 94 21:48:07 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Discovery review on TV

For those of you interested in the Discovery who also get TNN (The
Nashville Network) on cable-TV their Road Test Magazine show on Sunday,
October 2 will have a review. Broadcast times may vary but 8:00 pm PDT
is when I get it on the west coast. These same guys have reviewed the
Defender 90 in the past 9 months or so. They also offer video tapes of
their reviews (information given during the show). IMHO they seem fairly
balanced in their opinions and observations.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 00:28:48 +0059 (EDT)
From: Randy Parker <rparker@world.std.com>
Subject: Land Rover photo request (followup)

<followup to request for photos>

There are a number of photos on the RoverWeb from different sources,
including all the LR photos that I could find on Compuserve and AOL. 

According to the RoverWebMaster Greg Hiner's message earlier, to access
RoverWeb you should point your World Wide Web browser (e.g. Mosaic or
Lynx) at: 

	http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html

If you only have FTP access, then some of the photos (GIF format) are 
accessible via anonymous FTP in /pub/rparker on ftp.std.com.

-- Randy

P.S.  Anyone with more photos should e-mail them to hiner@mail.utexas.edu
 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 00:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Stuck, yeah Right...

> I just opened my issue of NewsWeek and in the middle of it was a GTE
Mobillink> 
> ad picture featuring an LHD bronze-green IIa 88 with no top or hoops
supposedl> 
> y
> stuck in about 8" of water. 
none
Saw the same stupid ad on TV. Almost threw the carb I was rebuilding through
the screen. But then the missus came in and noticed the Grease in the living
room and bellows "How many times have I told you not to work on your Rover
in the living room. Out to the kitchen with you! Out, Out, Out!"
 Well..at least it's not as bad as the time I tried to de-grease the tranny
in the bathtub...   <g>

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Stuck, yeah Right...
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:44:17 -0600 (MDT)

R.P. Reid writes about the Mobilink ad.

I haven't seen the Newsweek one yet, but in the TV version, the script
says:  "Mobilink makes it easy to connect with everyone no matter
where you are on the cosmic interstate [cut to LR in 8" of water] --
even if you don't know where you are."

My original reaction to this was the insult of a stuck Rover, but I
think it became clear after our last discussion of this (and a closer
watch), that the Rover is not stuck -- just lost (and Mobilink will
get you unlost.)

Since another tv ad prominently features a RR, I think somebody at
Mobilink or the ad agency is rather fond of Rovers.

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:37:36 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Fourth of July in Canada?

I just got the Call for Papers for the 1995 Cognos North American User 
Conference, and it's going to be held in Cognos' home town of Ottawa, June 
28-30, 1995.  Seeing as how the OVLR group is so active, what are the chances 
of something happenning that following weekend (Which would be the Fourth of 
July weekend here in the states)?

As a consultant, it's hard to justify the conference fee, time off (unpaid), 
airfare, and hotel costs involved with conferences, but if there were LR 
goings on, I might be able to talk myself into it.  (Besides, I know this 
incredible, fantastic italian restaurant in Ottawa.  And Beaver tails are 
*great*!) 

So, whassup?  Thanks in advance!

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:37:54 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: 4-cylinder cookery

So, those who tried out cooking on their engines...  How did it work out?  I 
picked up "Manifold Destiny" from the library t'other day.  It is not 
exactly in depth, and the recipes, for the most part, don't seem all that 
appetizing, but it's the concept that's important.  If you know how to cook, 
you can come up with your own recipes.

Any other thoughts?                                                           
  
 
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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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