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1 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on33[not specified]
2 "Mr Ian Stuart, Faculty"22WOX 688
3 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s181973 rover
4 "Stephen O'Hearn" [7270033Re: Defender 90 info request
5 David John Place [umplac81994 Camel Trophy
6 rwalker@dolphin.qut.edu.23Good Landy Pics
7 rich@online.comm-data.co34WTS LR W/Chevy Engine & Digest Mode
8 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy163 Discovery, Some problems
9 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy123 TDi problems
10 "Jurgen Klus" [PSJK@psy131 Discovery maintainence


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Subject: Starter Motor;Half Baked Ideas
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 13:54:37 -0500

Benjamin Allan Smith <ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:

> stuck, I'll never live it down.  Anyway, getting stuck did have 
> some consequences.  Like my clutch rusting to the flywheel.  The 
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> worked, sometimes it just gave a click and did nothing.  Finally 
> it gaveup all together.

        The photo with you in the *puddle* clearly shows that it wasn't
        this *wee* bit of water that doid in the clutch or starter... :-)
        Amazing that you managed to get it stuck there.  Now to get
        this little gem screened in for a future edition of the newsletter,
        though to be fair, the second with you driving down the creek is
        also pretty nice.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS, COnvince Bill to take the 109 on one of these adventures... :-)
            It looked far to nice sitting next to NOTAJEEP and the big
            green beastie.

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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart, Faculty" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:22:15 +0000
Subject: WOX 688

> >      Now that Dixon has a copy of the picture of my Land Rover 
> > stuck, I'll never live it down.

Talking of getting stuck: Page 111 of Octobers LRW has someone peering 
over the back of his SWB. Anyone want to admit to this?

Er, Russell -- _Please_! did it have to be a BMW? :-)

(sounded like a good party!)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
World Wide Web site -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/
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I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek.   |Land Rover owners do
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: 1973 rover

I just saw in an auto trader this rover:

1973 Land Rover cab/top tailgate option
overdrive, headers, dual Webers $5000 obo

Is this a good deal?  The picture looked very good, but I don't know 
enough about them to know.  I know it was an 88" but beyond that, nothing.

Seeking Help In Tampa,
Steve Swiger
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

ps. E-me directly if necessary to keep the volume down.

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Date: 25 Sep 94 18:27:21 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 info request

> sounds  like you are pretty pleased.

Yes I am!

> what dealer did you deal with? did you talk to several dealers in l.a.?

I dealt with South Bay Autohaus in Torrance. I didn't really consider
dealing with anyone else as these guys made a pretty good impression and
the other dealers were located much farther away. South Bay Autohaus is
located about half-way between home and work and are very willing to give
rides or service my vehicle immediately (their LR mechanic doesn't seem
particularly busy).

> why do you think you can get less than retail? the local (las vegas)
> dealer certainly was not interested in considering less than their
> inflated sticker price.

I know they can be had for less because my dealer has on two occaisions
had a Defender marked down maybe $400-$500 during a holiday weekend
promotion. They've been selling reasonably well (from this dealer at least)
but of course not as well as Discovery's. The only Defender I've seen sit
for quite a while was a red one (early production, #79, with the LT77 5spd
where reverse is below 1st, a newer 5spd, the R380, is current equipment).
But it sold about a month or so ago. Maybe you should take a trip to L.A.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:55:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: 1994 Camel Trophy

A few weeks back I posted a request about getting the 1994 VHS of this
years event.  Did anyone find a source for the video?  I also need 1982,
and 1983 to round out my collection.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:27:11 +1000
From: rwalker@dolphin.qut.edu.au (Rodney Walker)
Subject: Good Landy Pics

My question has probably been asked a million times, but does anyone have
any Landy pics, or know of an FTP site. Being relatively new to the
Land Rover scene, I would love to get a good land rover picture for the
background on the workstation.

Rod

Soon to be Land Rover owner!

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From: rich@online.comm-data.com (Richard P. Biby)
Subject: WTS LR W/Chevy Engine & Digest Mode
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:41:36 -0400 (EDT)

Hello all. I guess I am a lurker of sorts, but I have two items.

1) Rover with unknown history for sale. S1 dash, S2 grill,
   pick-up type Rover. Chevy engine in it. Breaks were the final 
   frustration for the previous non-rover-oriented owner. A "friend"
   of mine knew I used to mess with these buggers and bought it in
   North Carolina and towed it up to me and left it -- he asked for money
   also :-( I got plenty of pictures so send my your snail address if
   you are interested.

2) I am a casual user, and not all that UNIX capable. The volume of 
   LRO news I get is too much for me to pick through every day. This
   is not a big deal, but I'v been screwing up and storing my business 
   mail in the rover-holding folder. ARG! What is this digest mode I hear
   about. What are other UNIX based folks doing? Any thing to save me
   from having to unsubscribe would be a lot of help.

3) Anybody know of a used DISCO outhere? I just can't seem to swing
   the $30k+ price, but a nice used one sounds rather attractive.

Thanks all!
Rich
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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:19:19 GMT-0930
Subject:       Discovery, Some problems

A reply to Spencer Norcross
(I couldn't get through on your E-Mail)

Where do I start.
Firstly, I've got the 3.5 liter V8. Its a 1992 model. I believe you 
are just getting the Discovery's in the US now, and with the 3.9 
liter V8 ot or the 300 TDi engine. Either way, here goes:
The panel tend to be a bit wavy
I had the sump gasket, rear engine cross seal, front and back gearbox 
seals, and transfer case seals replaced under warranty. Lates face 
it, the buggers leak oil. They shouldn't of course, but English seals 
are hopeless.
Also replaced were the power steering box (leaked), power steering 
hoses (leaked), The plastic "alpine light" panels (around the little 
windows at the back in the roof) because they didn't fit too well, 
and were warped.
You may think they have solved the problems...a friend of mine with a 
new 3.9 liter Discovery has a rattle in the instrument cluster after 
going off road, another friend with a 300TDi had both the front and 
rear gearbox seals replaced.
The list does go on a bit, but that will do....

The 300TDi is very good (2.5 liter turbo diesel) Its not a lot slower 
than the V8, and returns 27m.p.g. around town from new, and should 
get about 32m.p.g. when run in. On trips you should get in the high 
30's m.p.g. The V8....try 18-19m.p.g. around town and the low to mid 
20's on tour. I recently got 19m.p.g. on an off-road tour, dragging 
an off-road trailer (the empty trailer weighs 200kilo, loaded about 
700kilograms)

The TDi has of course far less maintainence, and uses bosch injectors 
and pump, so service isn't a problem. The pump is rotary not 
electric. The "black box" controls only the pump. The V8 is of course 
all electric. (Yes, I wish I had waited for the 300TDi to come out in 
Australia, its a far better buy than the V8, with only a slight down 
in performance, but you can cover about 1100 kilometres off road on a 
single 88 litre tank!)

Anyway, there is no question that the Rover is the best off-road 
vehicle on the market. Sorry, but it just beats the cr** out of the 
offerings from both the land of the rising sun and the land of the 
bald eagle.

If he's into off-roading, get him to look at the Defender. The 
Discovery has a big space limitation. Also fitting a second battery 
in the V8 is a pain due to the lack of under bonnet room! The TDi's 
biggest problem is the air filter. I'll broadcast that on the net, as 
it will interest more people!

Off course, the English do put a 2 liter into the Disco in the U.K. I do 
think that he may notice the power difference......yes......he will 
notice.
regards
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:25:45 GMT-0930
Subject:       TDi problems

The 200 and 300 TDi's have a potentially severe problem with their 
air intakes. On both types of engines, forund in the Defender and 
Discovery range, the air is taken inside the front guard/fender. This 
leads to a rapid deterioration of the air filter.
If you have one, or are contemplating buying a TDi, get a snorkel 
fitted before delivery! (even better with a pre-cleaner as well)Friends of mine have both the 200 and 300 
TDi, and their air filters are lasting about 5,000 kilometres before 
they are clogged.
It's simply a very poor design.
Water can also enter the system here. Both people have reported 
getting their air cleaners slightly wet, in normal rain periods. The 
water and dirt does get behind the plastic splash guard, and enters 
the air intake tube.
You've been warned!
regards,
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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From: "Jurgen Klus" <PSJK@psy1.ssn.flinders.edu.au>
Date:          Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:36:22 GMT-0930
Subject:       Discovery maintainence

Reply to Spencer Norcross
(can't get through on your email address!?)

Maintainence costs are not  very high on the V8i Disco. Nor should 
they be compared to a series IIA. One must go under the premise that a 
new vehicle should hold together for a fair while!

Depending on how able your friend is, the Disco is relatively simple 
to service. The usual: Plugs, timing, filters, oils: swivels, g/box, 
transfer case, diffs; grease: uni joints, drive shafts; door locks 
and hinges; tighten everything you see etc. The parts costs, well I 
can't comment in the US. Most bits for the RR fit the Discovery, 
after all, they share the engine, trans, chassis etc.

Check out the prices in the U.K., and import them. This could be worthwhile, 
depending on the import duty etc payable. In Aust, the customs don't 
collect if its less than $50 Aust. collectable. I have purchased the 
odd bit from Bearmach in Cardiff.

The Discovery is reliable. After all, the mechanicals have been 
around for a long time now! Take away the plastics and panels, and 
its all very familiar Rang Rover.
regards,
Jurgen Klus  Tel 618 201 2413    Fax 618 201 3877
When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover!

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