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Subject: Re: Range Rover springs
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 09:32:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.co.uk>

Russell Burns writes:
> might keep the truck from bottoming out on the ledges.
> Any recommendations ???

There are heavy duty springs available spacifically for Range Rover -
they were originally introduced for Police vehicles, (which tend to be
loaded to the roof and then thrown around at high speed).  I can dig
out the part numbers next time I'm at home if required.

Regards

	Rich

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:18:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Starter Motor;Half Baked Ideas

Ben Smith writes:
Let's put it in the oven for awhile.  This seemed like a half baked idea to
me.  We put it in the oven, on bake at 190 degrees F for an hour or so.
 After it cooled I put it together.  And it works!?!  

Ben, How many miles cooking on the manifold would that be? ;-)

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: "Dale W. Avery" <AVERY@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:30:57 +1100
Subject:       Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

TO:  Grandville Pool  mcdpw@pacific. pacific. net
FROM:  Dale Avery avery@usbm.wfoclan.gov
Subject:  California Desert issue

I hope that you will accept several comments from a LR owner 
"Wannabe".  

The major threat to ALL our resources is overpopulation.  It's the 
"Pee in the Pool" syndrome...you know, if one little kid is playing 
in the swimming pool and pees in it, it's doubtful that anyone will 
ever notice.  The volume of water is such that the offending liquids 
will be diluted to a non-threatening status.  However, if you have 
500 kids peeing in the pool, the problem will become noticiable very 
rapidly.

I have been fortunate in my career to spend many hours off-road in 
the Western U.S.  The impacts on the environment over that time are 
becoming increasingly noticiable.  It's not that people are messier.  
Indeed our forefathers were real pigs when it came to their 
activities "outback".  It's just that there are now so many of us 
enjoying 4-wheeling, camping, et al, that the country side is getting 
literally stomped on.

By the way, I am very interested in your research on dropping a V-6, 
in-line 4, or V-8 into a LR.  There is nothing quite so pathetic as 
an 88 or 109 going uphill on a two lane mountain road.  It gets, and 
deserves, as many derisive gestures as a Winnebargo!  

I am looking for a LR project vehicle for my soon-to-be 16 y.o. son 
and myself to work on and enjoy.  We are very much into off-roading 
in E. Washington, N. Idaho, and W. Montana.  A good Friend, John 
Benham, took us on a local LR trip with several local LR owners.  It 
was great.  I enjoy mixing off-road with flyfishing.  My son and I 
spent two weeks this past summer fishing Rock Creek, the Big Hole, 
Wise, Boulder, Smith, and Clark Fork rivers in MT.  It would be fun 
to try this again next year in a 109...if I can find one.  If you 
know of a Series IIA or III for sale (at an affordable price, of 
course!) in either the 88 or 109 wheelbase, please let me know.

One final thing, I believe you made a comment about auto trans and 
off-roading.  My experience has been that a vehicle in the mountains 
is MUCH better off with a manual transmission for one reason.  When 
driving down-hill, down-slope, whatever,  a stick in granny low is 
much safer than having to ride an automatic and the brake pedal.  If 
you don't drive much in the mountains, this shouldn't be a problem.

Cheerio from the Wannabe....Dale

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:18:39 -0600
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: RoverWeb

As a final notice I would like to inform everybody that RoverWeb is no
longer at http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu:1500. It is now at
http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html. This move was made
about two months ago and I retained a pointer at the old address to the new
address. I shut that pointer down today so I thought I would announce this
one more time.

Best-

Greg

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 08:54:28 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Starter Motor;Half Baked Ideas

In message <199409230526.AA163587968@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>  writes:
> seemed like a half baked idea to me.  We put it in the oven, on 
> bake at 190 degrees F for an hour or so.  After it cooled I put 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>  ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu
>  1972 Land Rover Series III 88

You should have soaked the armature in varnish.  You evidently have a failing 
insulation system.  If you revarnish it chances are you will repair it.  As is, 
it will probably short again when it gets wet.  Maybe perminatly.

You should have gotten you Mom into the act.  She probably would have told you 
it needed basting.

Maybe a nice honey glaze with slices of pinapple and whole cloves....

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 23 Sep 1994 08:46:40 +1100
Subject:       BBC series, `The Survivors'

Dear LRO's,

    BBC produced a series in 1975 called `The Survivors'.  The first 
six or seven hourly episodes of 38 featured all sorts of action 
with Land and Range Rovers.  I became hooked to the series and taped 
all except the 1st one!  Does anyone here at LRONET happen to have 
that 1st episode I could borrow to copy?
    Also, I'm against splitting up the digest to cater to each 
vehicle type.  People who own two or three model types of 
Rovers would be disadvantaged.
    And relating to the Desert Protection Act, I have found 
from personal experience that the Desert Tortoise makes an excellent 
support to change flat tires!

Sincerely,

John R. Benham - Editor
N.3616 Dowdy Road                  `The Rover Runner'
Spokane, WA  99204  USA               ______
                                     |______\_____
1968 88 IIA Marine Blue      *---   [|_/-\____/-\_|}
  The `BWANA' Mobile           *---    (O)    (O)        

509.747.0692 (H); 509.353.2700 (W); E- Mail: benham@wfoclan.usbm.gov

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 09:20:10 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Every journey is an adventure (fwd)

In message <Pine.3.89.9409222207.A23409-0100000@netcom8> Fred Heald writes:

> Conclusion:
> If you lose your keys, old Land Rovers are great because you can hot wire 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> good because in a new car if things break you wouldn't be able to 
> field-repair them...
> Nyah.  The conclusion is, don't lose your keys.

For those of you who do not want to disassemble your instrument pannel, always 
carry a clip lead with insulation covered clips at each end.  Just put a jumper 
from one fuse to the other.  One fuse handles the circuits not connected to the 
ignition switch (always hot) and the other fuse  handles the stuff downstream of
the ignition switch.  So the jumper would be in parallel with the ignition 
switch.  only takes a second or two after you have poped the bonnet....
Which is why I keep a lock on my bonnet.

Conclusion... Hope someone that knows Land Rovers doesn't decide they want your 
car more than you do.

About you broken oil line.  Generally you can make an emergency repair by 
bending a section back on itself and wraping a little tape around the two 
sections to keep them together.  The crease at the bend should significantly 
slow the hemoraging to a very small amount or stop it.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject:  Inquiry 

>From: alex@adoc.xerox.com (Alex Bronstein)
>>Subject: CA law on buying out-of-state used cars?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>>alex@adoc.xerox.com                                           1-415-813-6979
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 13:17:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Every journey is an adventure (fwd)

TeriAnn, whatever happened to your engine when you were concerned about
some guy messing about?
I think your last words were
I hope it isn't so
Later 
Jon

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From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT)

>From: alex@adoc.xerox.com (Alex Bronstein)
>Subject: CA law on buying out-of-state used cars?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>alex@adoc.xerox.com                                           1-415-813-6979
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think a number of us have asked that question at various times.  This is
what I learned when I posed the relevant questions at the DMV in Davis last
July.  (Calling DMV never seems to be as satisfactory (if that word can be used
in this context) as a personal visit during their slow times).

1.  1966 vehicles and younger must be smogged. When bringing a vehicle in from 
out of state, there may be special rules about limits on the amount you are 
required to spend.  They were a little vague about that.

2.  Vehicles from 1975 and younger not equipped with the California emission
control devices sticker (as opposed to the actual devices themselves) are
subject to a $300 emissions offset fee (don't ask how that works to offset the
emissions--you probably wouldn't like the answer).

3.  1965 and older vehicles are not required to be smogged.  Be prepared to
provide adequate documentation that the vehicle is what it is represented to
be.

4.  Diesels are not smogged in California at the present time. This is expected
to change as standards are developed and implemented.

Good Luck > 

Walt Swain

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 11:42:02 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Every journey is an adventure (fwd)

In message <AiUkqvu00iVDI4wlNy@andrew.cmu.edu> Jon Humphrey writes:
> TeriAnn, whatever happened to your engine when you were concerned about
> some guy messing about?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Later 
> Jon

Still unknown.  Brad (editor of aluminum Workhorse fame) is interested & wants 
to be there when the pan is pulled.  He hasn't dropped by yet.

On the other hane the layshaft was a clean break and the gears were still all 
good.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 14:34:33 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re:  Splitting LRO List

Hear Hear!!

(that is -- don't split it up!)

John Brabyn

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 14:48:56 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Re: Please send in letters to Senators re "Desert Protection Act"

Thanks for the various responses to thius issue -- it is good that folks care about it
about it. I apologize for sounding a little strident -- and it's good to 
present both sides of the coin. Personally, I am all in favor of protecting
the desert, but also want to protect our access to it in a responsible way,
and question whether the present bill does either. 

Each should vote his own conscience of course, and I think we all agree on 
the ends that are desirable, but there are different means.

Many thanks once again, and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Cheers

John Brabyn
Mill Valley
California
89RR

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Subject: Explorer V-6 and the desert bill 
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 94 19:53:20 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

The desert bill -
	Yes it is good to protect and prevent from development or destruction
	wild lands. [Not to mention that I think living anywhere that has
	no insufficient local water resources is a bad idea (eg. S.Calif.)

	However, I don't think that they ought to be too over zealous about it
	and close down access to the established roads and trails ( a number
	of them historic ).  There's got to be a way to allow wilderness
	off-road access permits, even if it is limited or by application - like
	the more remote back-country cmaping areas of the of national parks
	<haleakela,yosemite, acadia, etc.etc.)  [and I don't think they
	ought to add more pavement either...]

Granville: as for the Ford V-6, I recall that there was a nasty vibration
	problem during the first year of production somewhere about 2400rpm
	(and I think it was engine speed related, not some function of 
	 drive train revolutions)  It was particularly nasty with autos,
	but also present in manuals (though to a lesser degreee).  Ford
	either had a recall or quiet fix on it, but I don't recall hearing 
	'bout it after the first year... so if you're buying used, beware.

	I very much doubt that the power plant would be imported (that isn't
	to say the design wouldn't be, like that pervasive 2.2L pinto/stang
	turbo t-bird/svo/merkur engine was of the german designed capri).

	I had though that the explorer 6 was out of the modular engine
	line, (which I want to say is in lavoina, mich)

	It's not that I'm a Ford man :-) but I almost grock the Ford
	part numbering system [e5ry-] and can recite my (former) Mustang's VIN 
	from memory (1fabp42eohf248901) and can pretty much decode it.
        [ford us-*-pass.body-mustang hatch-high output v-8-1987-ford-serial]
	(* I think the 'b' is for the restraint system - belts, active)

	-B

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:21:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Explorer V-6 and the desert bill 

About the Explorer V-6.  I had one in my 1991 Explorer, and it was called
in and the heads were replaced.  Seems there was a casting problem with
the heads, and they allowed the anti-freeze to enter the combustion
chamber and be burned.  I a Ford dealer had two complaints from a
customer about anti-freeze going down and they couldn't find it with
pressure test etc, the heads came off and were replaced.  I thik the later
V6 is OK since my Aerostar electronic 4x4 has the same engine and there is
no problem with it.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: 23 Sep 94 22:05:41 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Defender 90 info request

I have a '94 Defender 90 so here goes:

> How is it going?

So far so good although I do have two small engine oil leaks which I am
taking care of myself, I had a LR oil filter with a bad crimp which took
two tries to get replaced (first time they wiped it off, inexcusable), and
I've had a problem with the parking brake which when adjusted to spec
apparently results in the pads or shoes contacting the rotating drum
intermitently (at least this is the diagnosis, a few days will tell;
supposedly the trick is to adjust it looser and this, according to the
LR mechanic can apply to Discovery's as well). This last item was one of
those problems which was difficult to demonstrate to the dealer and it
involved two trips and the service manager driving it home (commendable).
This has started a LOVE/hate relationship (emphasis intentional) unless
it's fixed <g>.

> What to look for?

Not sure what to say other than to check and see if the "safari cage" looks
to be properly installed. Most likely it is but supposedly no instructions
are included for the mechanic. I suspect spacers are supposed to be used
on the four upper bolts at each top corner to prevent the bolt from 
piercing
the rubber coating on the opposite side. I know this first hand but
nothing a little RTV couldn't fix quite nicely. This brings up something
else to look for if possible: a good dealer. Mine is a combined Mercedes-
Land Rover dealer with emphasis about 80/20 biased to MBZ.

> How much did you pay?

Too much. I paid retail but Defender's can be had for a little less. The
big price factor is Uncle Sam as I believe the two-door SUV 25% tarrif
applies. But then again a HUMMER is not worth $45,000 either. Is the
Defender worth its price? Yes. But only if it's a Defender that you need
or want.

> How is it equiped?

I'll admit to getting everything except the kitchen sink (although it may
be in there somewhere <g>). In truth I got the dealer installed options I
thought were useful as well as a couple that I considered marginally 
useful.
You can decide which ones fall into the latter category: "safari cage"/soft
top/side windows, A/C (I live in So. Cal.), mud flaps, winch, brush bar,
side bars, tail light protectors (yeah, I used to make jokes about them),
wheel locks and LoJack (I live in L.A.). I drew the line at the spare tire
cover and Camel Trophy brushed aluminum fender protectors.

> What equipment is recommended?

Ah! I'd definitely recommend the soft top but the rest depends on your 
needs
and wants. I recommend you NOT get the spare tire cover. It looks real
tacky <g>.

> How is servicing?

Service so far has been warranty except for one oil change which was around
$60. Expensive compared to Jiffy-Lube etc. The service staff at my dealer
is very professional, polite, cooperative, and understanding (MBZ rubs
off?). Their response to the difficult parking brake problem has been very
gratifying (hopefully it's fixed; there should be a smiley for fingers
crossed <g>). My only complaint is with their mechanic who seems to know
his stuff but... (I discovered today he is paid on commission and is
apparently the only LR mechanic there.)

> I am wondering how the heaters are,...

Don't know. If you can wait a few months I'll let you know (and I don't
mean an L.A. winter, I mean 10's and 20's).

> and how they behave in fairly deep snow (1 to 2 feet is sometimes
> common up the four-wheel-drive road to my house).

Ditto. But given a 9.5" ground clearance below the differentials I can't
imagine 1 ft. being a problem. If the Mud T/A's can get a grip it should be
smooth sailing. As for 2 ft. I would say if your Commando can make it with
its live axle in both powder and heavy wet stuff a Defender should do as
well. Otherwise I am currently ignorant when it comes to anything deeper
than about 6 inches.

The unasked question is would I do it again? You bet! Out of the box the
Defender beats everything else (with only some very specific exceptions for
the HUMMER) off-road. It is a unique and very capable machine designed
with a single purpose in mind. It may have visible spot welds and such but
these just further increase its charm (seems hardly the appropriate word!).
I look at the Defender as another addition to the Land Rover tradition.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen O'Hearn
'94 Defender 90

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:15:15 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Landrovers

In regards to your comments on diesel engines...  Do these drawbacks also 
apply to the tdi engines?  Thanks in advance.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:15:27 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Splitting LRO List

> I am opposed to splitting the list.  I like it the way it is and feel that 
> the new-to-Land-Rovers Discovery owners and such like will be more likely to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> [ Net-Rovers leave a trail of mud & oil on the information superhighway!  ]
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well said!  I agree completely.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:15:24 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Desert Protection

> Regarding concerns that, if the Park Service gets ahold of the desert, it 
> will ruin it like it ruined Yosemite.  Where does this come from?  I am a 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> feel that the Park Service has done a really creditable job of preserving 
> the resource while making it available to a large number of people.

I must admit that I do generally stay away from the Valley due to the huge 
numbers of people there, but that's not the fault of the park service -- it's 
part of the problem of overpopulation.  I would hate to think what it would be 
like if it *weren't* controlled by the park service.  

> I feel that it is unrealistic to try to hold onto the past, to maintain the
> status quo.  Our population is exploding, our resources are dwindling, and 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> well-educated young couples seem to have no compunctions about having as 
> many children as they want.  

We can have hordes of people show up with the park service keeping an eye on 
preserving the place, or we can have hordes of people show up in their shiny 
new 4x4 Ford Explorers tossing beer cans out the window at every turn.  

> Every freedom carries a heavy price of responsibility.  I think most 
> Land-Rover owners are highly responsible citizens but that far too many 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> [ e-mail to: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net              Phone: (707) 485-7220 ]
> [ Net-Rovers leave a trail of mud & oil on the information superhighway!  ]
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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