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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Oil consumption for the V8
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 15:56:31 +0930 (CST)

> per 2000 miles is ususal/not unusual.  Some RR  owners have told me they need
> to add 1 quart between oil change while one LR mechanic said there should be
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> no oil consumption between oil change (at 3000 miles).  I would appreciate
> your comments.

Cant speak directly for the 3.9l.  But:

My 220K + mile, tired, 3.5l in a stage 1 would be (un)lucky to use a pint
between changes (3 - 5 K mile)  If it does start using oil then i know I need
to change it :-)

What type of oil is being used?  I've heard that some of the low viscosity
(5w-30 10w-40 etc) "modern High Tech" oils are prone to consumption problems.

Comments anyone?
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 09:11:39 +0000
From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
Subject: Famous Owners

Richard Branson (well he is "famous" at least in the UK!) was reported
to have "rolled" himself and family (at least two kids) in his Range
Rover, early morning single vehicle accident on a motorway.  RR was
"written" off, R.B. and family "walked away".

Perhaps Goria Estefan should buy one?

Martin Farrall

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 12:06:55 +0000
From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
Subject: Discovery TDi bracket

I've just had a phone call from a LR dealer informing me that a number of
'93 Discovery's requre a modification to some bracket supporting part of
the cooling system, I assume that this will be done FOC.

Anyone else had a recall, knows any detail on this?

Martin Farrall

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 12:38:51 0 GMT
From: Jon Ward <jon@mgroad.dircon.co.uk>
Subject: My Wheels

You thought the What's Your's Called thread was trivial. That's nothing 
compared to this question: What colour are your wheels painted?

I've just started re-painting the wheels on my SWB 2A. At the moment 
they're white (well, that's what they would be if they were clean) and I 
had just re-sprayed the spare when I noticed that both the machines 
pictured at the start of the Workshop Manual have black wheels. Now I'm in 
a quandry. I think that white wheels look bigger than black ones but I 
want to keep things as accurate as possible. Any opinions?

jon
....................................................................
|  You are in a little twisty maze of standards, all conflicting.  |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 07:56:20 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Shock Prices

Mike responded:

none
Shocks.. Someone posted something about having Rancho RS-5000 shocks. Part
numbers #5163 up front and #5169 in the rear. Don't know about prices.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       
none

The Rancho 5000 shocks listed for $32-$36 in the 4-Wheeler magazine ads the 
last time I looked.

Mike,

Thanks for the message.  I've been in training the last two days.  I'll get 
back to you a little later if I can get through the work that's piled up since 
I left.  Gotta run.

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Fri, 26 Aug 1994 14:09:00 GMT+0200
Subject:       Re: LR Reliability

> The engine was a low milage 2.25 petrol from a series III that was 
> professionally rebuilt.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> The noise gets louder when the engine gets even a half quart low on oil.
> Its driving me crazy

    Timing chain wear or its tensioner?  Opinions, chaps??
KRC     * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 08:50:04 -0400
From: Dave <Dave@scooby.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LandRovers in the US

Just wanted to said hello and introduce me and my 1980 Series III two and a
quarter petrol.

Glad to see there's a source of advice around!

Whilst I'm here, I may be moving to the states (Santa Clara, CA, to be
exact) and obviously if I do I'll need a car...

How cheap/expensive are LandRovers out there?  In the world of cheap petrol
I suppose I'd love to get hold of a Series III V8 or something.

Any info would be really appreciated,

Thanks

Dave

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 07:42:46 MST
From: DEBROWN@srp.gov
Subject: LandRovers in the US

FROM:  David Brown                          Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist
       AM/FM - PAB204 X-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: LandRovers in the US
.DDN scooby.demon.co.uk(Dave)
Dave, I think the better question is availability. I don't know about
the Santa Clara, CA area but here in Phoenix AZ Land Rovers seem to be
very rare indeed. I don't look in the paper every week, but the times I
have looked in the classifieds, I have only seen Range Rovers, and even
then, only a few (maybe 2-4 per week). I once saw a '93 110 at the
dealer that sold in within 2-3 days for $41,000US.

Any chance of your company sending your vehicle with you??? It'd
probably be profitable to bring a LR here and sell it. Good luck with
your job relocation.

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From: Dave <Dave@scooby.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LandRovers in the US

Just wanted to said hello and introduce me and my 1980 Series III two and a
quarter petrol.

Glad to see there's a source of advice around!

Whilst I'm here, I may be moving to the states (Santa Clara, CA, to be
exact) and obviously if I do I'll need a car...

How cheap/expensive are LandRovers out there?  In the world of cheap petrol
I suppose I'd love to get hold of a Series III V8 or something.

Any info would be really appreciated,

Thanks

Dave

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Thu, 25 Aug 1994 16:59:59 +1100
Subject:       Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners

> Date sent:      Thu, 25 Aug 94 10:48:58 PDT
> From:           brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
> To:             rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, tcoron@s850.mwc.edu
> Subject:        Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners
> Copies to:      lro@stratus.com

> I object to the idea that Range Rover owners don't count; by the same logic
> Jeep owners and other 4x4 owners don't count either since the vast majority
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> California
> 89RR

    I've been four-wheeling in various models of vehicles for 25 years 
now in ten U.S. Western States.  During that time, I have seen Jeep 
CJ5's, Scouts, a few Broncos (early type), Land Cruisers (FJ40's), 
Land Rovers, and lots of older pick-up trucks (both 2 & 4WD).  Since 
the advent of pricey sport utility vehicles, I have never seen a Jeep 
Cherokee, Range Rover, Pathfinder, Explorer, or such in the wilds.  
People buy these grossly overpriced vehicles for image and are afraid 
to take them off-road for fear of body damage (probably due to their 
incompetent off roading abilities).  Nuf said...

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA
  > 

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Date: 26 Aug 94 12:17:27 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Back again;consumption;lead-free

Hi folks,

I'm back from an extended holiday trip with the kids and some others from
the club which took us through the southern parts of France: Ardeche,
Camargue, Pyrenees, and the southern atlantic coast just north of Biarritz
where I indulged in something completely un-roverly: wind-surfing! The
Mediterranean coast (Cote d'Azur) is best avoided at this time of year
because it's absolutely overrun by... you guessed it, *german tourists*!
Well, you also get a fair amount of dutch and english folks basking on the
beaches, although the number of english holidaymakers on the move has 
declined noticably over the past few years. Maybe it's because the english
summers have become increasingly sunny and warm & there's not this
compulsion to *escape* from the dreadful climate in order to keep or
regain your sanity...
Anyway, this summer has been absolutely _tropical_ all over Europe,
from Sicily to the North Cape, with temperatures ranging in the
upper thirties (that's centigrades!) constantly for two months straight.
The green house effect's all right with me; never mind the Mediterranean,
next summer around I'll take the bus five stops and go surfing on the Rhine!

Now more to the Landrover side of things: FWIW I belatedly would like to
contribute my figures to the 4-cyl. petrol fuel consumption poll which
in my case amounts to around 6.25 km per litre on the average on a
1973 S.III 109 Station w/overdrive and a Weber carb, otherwise no frills.
I guess this could be considered normal/average or slightly-above-average.
I drive the car almost every day, and measured by distance covered I do 
maybe 30% town & close range driving, 50% long range (country road & autobahn)
and quite a lot of off-roading.
Incidentally, I've driven my engine (a '75 2.25l 3-bearing 4-cyl. which I 
pulled from a wreck when it had presumably 60,000 km on it) _exclusively_ 
on *lead-free* gasoline for fully seven years and over 100,000 km now. 
The engine has become noisier, sounding a bit like a well-insulated diesel, 
but it still has full compression on all cylinders, hasn't lost any power, 
and is losing only a little bit of oil via the rear shaft seal into the 
clutch housing. No oil burning whatsoever, the exaust is absolutely clear. 
I did replace the cylinder head gasket three years ago after the engine 
overheated due to loss of cooling liquid (the heater unit blew a hose), 
but apart from that I never touched the engine. I am, however, very
meticulous in keeping the unit tuned and oil topped up and changed at the
required intervalls.
Has anyone else had experience, perhaps not-so-good, from prolonged (ab)use
of lead-free fuel in old 4-cyl's ?

Bye for now, and keep wiping those gear boxes!

Stefan <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden / Germany


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From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 09:23:58 -0700
Subject: Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners

I have taken my Disco (under-priced for the quality) places where I
would never have taken my old Series III.  The Disco handle so much
better, what with coil springs, more power, &c, that I am forced
to take issue with your stand.

When I first got my Disco, I took it up a steep, rock strewn, narrow
horse-trail in the Rockies. I just kept going and going because it
handled so well. A true marvel.  Finall I hit a spot I couldn't get
over, so I turned around and began to head back down.  On the way down
I discovered I was so unfamilure with my car and it handled so well,
that I had forgotten to put it in low range!

So far I haven't "dinged" it, but have put in a few scratches. In my
opinion, it looks far better scratched and covered with dirt than shiny
and new.

I would wager that many Jeeps are bought to look cool and (even if not
new) never taken off road. So please, try to avoid generalizing. Phrases
like "[all] People buy [all] these [all] grossly overpriced...," with their
implied global all, suggest a slight bias on your part.

  +------------
  + From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
  +     I've been four-wheeling in various models of vehicles for 25 years 
  + now in ten U.S. Western States.  During that time, I have seen Jeep 
  + CJ5's, Scouts, a few Broncos (early type), Land Cruisers (FJ40's), 
  + Land Rovers, and lots of older pick-up trucks (both 2 & 4WD).  Since 
  + the advent of pricey sport utility vehicles, I have never seen a Jeep 
  + Cherokee, Range Rover, Pathfinder, Explorer, or such in the wilds.  
  + People buy these grossly overpriced vehicles for image and are afraid 
  + to take them off-road for fear of body damage (probably due to their 
  + incompetent off roading abilities).  Nuf said...

-- 
Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute
Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu                         BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi
37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west 

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Date: 26 Aug 94 12:17:15 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: re: FOUR WHEEL DRIVE

> Help......I can't get my '66 109 wagon into four wheel drive. (...snip...)

Ben,

I experience the same problem with my 109 after it has been standing around
for a while, or when it's very cold. The mechanism's just plain *sticky* 
sometimes, otherwise there's nothing wrong with it. After warming up and 
engaging low ratio (the lever with the red knob) briefly the problem's 
usually gone. BTW, changing the gear oil (in _both_ gearboxes) and a bit
of MoS-based additive can work wonders with gear- & transmission-related
problems. How long has your oil been in there ...  and have you checked the
level lately? Old S.II gearboxes don't come with a dipstick for nothing...
But, like TeriAnn already said, first do the obvious and have a real good
look underneath if the spring-loaded rod coming down is actually firmly
connected to the little lever, or just dangling loose.
Finally, if the 'yellow' 4WD-engage mechanism does turn out to have gone over
Jordan I wouldn't bother about it. You've always got the low-ratio 4WD
(red knob), and in a 109 offroad the 4-cyl.petrol in normal ratio usually 
wouldn't give you enough torque anyway. The yellow contraption only comes
in handy when you suddenly lose traction in 'full flight' and want to slam
into 4WD quickly while still in motion, which is the one thing you cannot
(and should *never*) do with the red low-ratio lever. Other than that, the
yellow 4WD-knob in a 109 4-cyl. is pretty useless offroad. With a 6-cyl. or
V8 it would be a different story...

Take care,

Stefan R. Jacob <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
LROC of Hessen


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Date: 26 Aug 94 12:17:08 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: re: Dutch LRO

Hi Roeland,

it's nice to see the european fraction of the list gradually, albeit slowly
growing.

> Once a year I make a long(er) trip. This summer I went to Africa and
> crossed the Maroccan/Algerian dessert and the High Atlas Mountains.

Some of our guys will be leaving for the algerian Sahara in two weeks
regardless of strong warnings voiced by the foreign office against 
travel to Algeria. Originally they had planned to drive to Libya through
the Grand Erg, but currently Libya refuses entry to individual travellers
coming overland; they only accept organized package tour tourists.
What recent impressions and experiences have you had in Algeria? We've
last been there three years ago, but that was well before the fundamentalists
began freaking out.

> 2) I plan to go to Island coming summer (July 95). Is there somebody from
> Island on this list and/or has somebody been there ? I like to exchange
> some experiences. E.g. what is the fastest / cheapest way to come there ?

One of our female members, Monika, is a fervent Iceland lover. She's been
there very often and for extended periods and has put together some
fascinating slideshows from pictures she took on her journeys. If you're
interested I can give you her contact, our you can just as well exchange
mails with her via my e-mail address. She's a pharmaceutics saleswoman and
on the move a lot (in a S.III 88, naturally). ...wait a minute, we _do_ have 
a fellow from Iceland on the list, Grettir Asmundarson, e-mail: 
grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com . So, plenty of contact for you there.

> 3) I plan to buy some 9.00 size tyres for my 110. Does somebody know

Take my (our) advice: *Don't* do it. Apart from costing you an arm and
leg, on a 110 they'll give you nothing but trouble; we've experimented
with a set of 9.00's on a Defender 130 truck and were "not amused":
1. You'll have to limit your steering travel and thereby increase the
turning radius considerably, otherwise the tyres will rub against the
frame and possibly stall a wheel when making tight turns, which in turn
could ruin a differential;
2. 9.00 tyres are meant and designed for *real* trucks in terms of load
and speed. If you use them on the comparetively light 110 and travel at
the kind of speed the Tdi allows the car will suddenly start wobbling,
shuddering and hopping. We used the very good Michelin 9.00's and still
had this problem. You can't balance them with compensation weights
either because these rollers won't fit on the garages' usual machines;
3. acceleration will decrease noticeably;
4. wheel travel and thus off-road performance will be diminished (see 1.);
5. changing a tyre by yourself presents a serious health hazard to your back.

In short, you'd be paying a lot of gilders for a lot of headaches without
any significant advantages. Save the money for Iceland, you'll need it
(ferry's very expensive).

Bye for now,

Stefan R. Jacob <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden / Germany


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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 9:57:48 MDT

>     I've been four-wheeling in various models of vehicles for 25 years 
> now in ten U.S. Western States.  During that time, I have seen Jeep 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> to take them off-road for fear of body damage (probably due to their 
> incompetent off roading abilities).  Nuf said...
I guess you just haven't been far enough down the road to see the Range Rovers.
I have yet to see a road or a trail I could not travel. I have seen a lot
of jeeps and other turn back though.

Russ
91 Range Rover
> John R. Benham
> Spokane, WA USA
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
none
> John R. Benham
> Spokane, WA USA

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 18:07:01 +0100 (BST)
From: "J.M. Carter Biochemistry ext 4229 " <J.M.CARTER@dundee.ac.uk>
Subject: England!

Hello everyone.  

I am in england and my head is just about ready to spin off my neck from 
spotting rangies, disco and even old land rovers.  Thanks to Bill, I 
found MotorBooks near Lester (sp? ;^) )square.  I picked up a couple of 
books, and later found Land rover owner and land rover world at a newsstand.
All very enjoyable to read. 
I look forward to getting back to my computer to check out my growing 
pile of emails, bye 

John Hess in scotland with friends,

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Subject: Re: LR Reliability
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 09:20:44 -0500

"TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes:

> The noise gets louder when the engine gets even a half quart low on oil.
> Its driving me crazy
none

        Strange.  Through neglect I have let the oil on the big green
        beastie run below the minimum mark, let alone the low mark, and
        it has never made any difference in the sound of the engine.
        The only thing that really complains if the oil gets a bit low
        is the transfer box, which in no uncertain terms lets you know
        that it is unhappy.

        Half a quart is not enough to make much difference in the level in
        the sump...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: My Wheels
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 09:37:08 -0500

Jon Ward <jon@mgroad.dircon.co.uk> writes:

> You thought the What's Your's Called thread was trivial. That's nothing 
> compared to this question: What colour are your wheels painted?

        Depends on the year of manufacture.  You will find early Land Rovers
        have the rims painted body colour, later LRs the wheels are limestone
        coloured.  Looking around here, if they are not galvanised, then they
        are limestone.

> |  You are in a little twisty maze of standards, all conflicting.  |

        I do like this... <grin>  I should recompile Adventure and change
        one of the messages to read this once and a while... :-)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 26 Aug 1994 10:19:59 +1100
Subject:       Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners

> Date sent:      Thu, 25 Aug 94 18:28:57 PDT
> From:           brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
> To:             brabyn@skivs.ski.org, dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com
> Subject:        Re:  infamous Land Rover product owners
> Copies to:      lro@transfer.stratus.com

> Sorry about my over-zealous defense of Range Rovers and their owners! I really
> do understand the point about celebrities and non-appreciators!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> John Brabyn
> 89RR

John,

    I think I owe you and other Range Rover owners an appology.  I 
didn't mean to stereotype or to grossly generalize my observations.  
The truth is that some of these sport utility vehicles are superior 
in design to the 40's design Land Rover.  In fact, this spring I will 
be buying a used Range Rover for myself.  I like my Land Rover, but 
on long trips, it is not my vehicle of choice.  I'd rather drive long 
distances in comfort and safety and then do some off-roading in a 
Range Rover than my Land Rover.  On local trips, my old Land 
Rover performs very well and takes me places where I truly never 
see a newer style sport utility vehicle.
    I hope I didn't offend anyone.

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA

> Sorry about my over-zealous defense of Range Rovers and their owners! I really

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Subject: Re: Oil consumption for the 3.9l 
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 10:38:03 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

FHYap,
	In looking at the 90 Range Rover shop manual, the factory
states that the 3.9l is STILL within factory acceptable tolerance
with an oil consumption of 1 quart per 200 (two hundred) miles!
Obviously this is excessive, but it goes to show how loose these
can get and still run. I know this doesn't really answer your 
question so I'll try, my 89 RR consumed 1 quart per 1800 miles, 
and my 90 RR consumed 1 quart per 2500 miles. I couldn't quite make
it a whole oil change without having to add a quart to the 90 RR,
two for the 89 RR.
						Rgds
						Mike Fredette
						94 Defender 90
						60 SER ll 109
						Portland, Oregon

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Fri, 26 Aug 1994 10:59:30 +1100
Subject:       Re: My Wheels

> Date sent:      Fri, 26 Aug 94 12:38:51 0 GMT
> From:           Jon Ward <jon@mgroad.dircon.co.uk>
> Subject:        My Wheels
> To:             land-rover-owner@stratus.com

> You thought the What's Your's Called thread was trivial. That's nothing 
> compared to this question: What colour are your wheels painted?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> ....................................................................
> |  You are in a little twisty maze of standards, all conflicting.  |
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jon,

    Yesterday I talked with Bruce at British Rovers concerning wheel 
color.  He said any DuPont paint center should carry the correct 
color - Limestone #38505A Code 3307.  He emphasized cleaning any 
rust deposits and proper primering before paint application though.  
I'll be doing mine this weekend.

Good luck,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA
 > > 

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 23:06:05 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability (Ol' Rattler)

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Soren
> I wish it was that easy.  When the engine was new I frequently retightened the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Sometimes while crusing it sounds rythmic like snoring.  The rattle goes upscale
> with each beat then downscale.
> The noise gets louder when the engine gets even a half quart low on oil.

TerriAnn

A sneakin' suspicion is creepin' in on me. Bearings:
When the engine pulls, all joints are tight. When the engine is idling and
there is less resistance in the sump, the joints (the pins in the piston
and the main bearings) are without tension and are ''flowing''. They are
supposed to do that according to the specs. But if new bearings are
overdimensioned, the piston rod will be ''released'' and ''gripped'' all
the time as piston pulls air and pushes for compression. When its idling,
there is nothing to ''pull the other end of the rope''.  
As you can see, it's quite difficult for me to explain this in good
english; perhaps an anglofile listmember will pick this up and explain.
A way to diagnose is to take a large screwdriver and place it on different
places on the engine and head and put your head on the screwdriver handle, 
right in front of your ear. The engine must of course be in its most rattling
state.

>Its driving me crazy 

Well, at least it's driving.
> TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
> twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> 408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
>                        MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

If this is no help, i rest my case.
Yours

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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:27:29 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: infamous Land Rover product owners

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, John R. Benham wrote:

> > Date sent:      Thu, 25 Aug 94 10:48:58 PDT
> > From:           brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 40 lines)]
> incompetent off roading abilities).  Nuf said...
> John R. Benham
> Spokane, WA USA

Well, over here people (some) buy them for prestige, but many RR drivers
are enthusiastic off-roaders and trial'ers. Some people convert them to
pick-up trucks or build them up for enduro dirt/off-road racing.

Those realestate agents that use them for show should have them
confiscated ;-)

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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 94 18:51:17 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

>        Half a quart is not enough to make much difference in the level in
>        the sump...

One would think this is true but if I'm a half quart low, I'll get the
oil pressure light during hard braking and, now that it works, a
fair dip in oil pressure on the gauge.  My current theory is that
either the oil pump needs work or the oil screen is sludged up at
the bottom making it excessively sensitive to oil level.

monty

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Date: 26 Aug 94 23:33:23 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Oil consumption for the 3.9l / Defender-Discovery 5spd

I have a '94 Defender 90 with the 3.9l. After 3000 miles it has consumed
perhaps 1/2 quart (probably less actually). The majority of this took
place during the first 1000 miles and was likely break-in related.
Depending on the age/wear on the motor up to 1 qt per 1000 miles can be
expected/tolerated although I would treat this as a maximum rate.
Ideally there should be no consumption and all my previous vehicles
achieved this goal. However I have no idea what effort, if any, Land
Rover made in terms of oil control features when modifying this
generation-old Buick design. Slight or moderate oil consumption does
not necessarily indicate a problem. Nor do signs of oil burning like
some blue smoke on a cold start mean a trip to the repair shop is in
order (one of my non-consumming vehicles did this habitually). Since my
Defender is my first Land Rover I can't say if oil conssumption is to
be expected or not. Hope this helps!

On a second note:

Defender and Discovery R380 5spd (reverse to right)...

Does any one have comments about the performance of this transmission?
This is an ATF lubricated box with what a Land Rover service
representative described as "big gears" (sizewise I assume). Shifting
seems a bit "loose" with some "catchiness" on occaision (in fact double
clutching is required in low-range to avoid gear clash even with the
clutch pedal fully depressed and some pause added to the shift). My
assumption is that this is a result of the use of ATF and its associated
properties (I once had a Borg-Warner box that behaved similarly but not
to the same degree). Also clutch engagement and disengagement results
in an audible "slap" presumably as slack in the transmission / transfer
case / center differential / driveline is taken up or played out. I am
curious to find out if the characteristics I have described have been
observed by others or if I should revisit this with my dealer. There
is no hint of adverse operation (other than the annoying double
clutching) or parts damage. I simply did not expect this degree of
looseness.

Treading Lightly...

Stephen

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