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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 00:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: James B Russell <jrussell@netcom.com>
Subject: Portland poll...

Okay, so who on here is going to Portland?

Right now my plan is to leave San Francisco sometime (probably late) on 
Thursday.  Haven't yet decided whether to take 101 or follow I-5.  
Figuring on roughly 14 hours of driving.

I am wondering who else I am going to meet there.  Or, perhaps, on the 
way...  

                  Jim Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: report on US National Rally
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 02:01:31 -0600 (MDT)

	You read it here first:  news of the 1994 US National Land
Rally.  This is a rough draft for a possible publication (depending
whether or not my photos melted in the Utah desert), so please respect
copyright.  Corrections and reactions will be appreciated.

	I think only three of us lro internetters showed up at the
rally:  Russ Burns of Michigan (with wife, daughter and RR, Ray Harder
of Missouri (with wife and "Experimental" 88), and yours truly (with
son and topless 109).  We all had great fun getting acquainted and
validating the oft-repeated truism that LROs ain't normal people. 

**************************************************************************

	Rovers and rocks.  The 1994 US National Land Rover Rally in the
Rocky Mountains provided enough of both to leave aficionados with serious
withdrawal symptoms.  Rovers and lovers.  Now that is a trickier equation,
a delicate balancing act.  For seven days in August the scales tipped
heavily in favor of Rovers.  Significant others were sufficiently "rovered
out" that some were overheard re-evaluating relationships.  Now that the
rally is history, one can only hope that balance has been restored. 

	Only forty to fifty vehicles participated, considerably less, I
think, than most people would have expected.  Due to the length of the
rally (seven days and 900 miles in two states), rarely were all the
vehicles to be seen in one place.  Some joined later than the start, and
others left the party before the finish.  The internetters were among the
hardcore dozen or so who were present from start to finish.  For probably
the first time at a major US rally, the combination of Range Rovers,
Defenders and Discoverys outnumbered older Land Rovers.  This was also the
first US national rally to feature a full range of Land Rover products,
previous rallies having only featured demonstration Defenders and Discos
on the eve of their release to the US market.  There were only about a
dozen old Land Rovers, the oldest being a 1960 88, and the youngest being
a trio of Series III 88s.  (No Series Ones turned out for the event.) Also
among the latter were four 109s, including a RHD, a beautifully outfitted
camper which was present only for the first day, and a solitary pickup.
Among the newer vehicles were two 110s, four 90s, and half a dozen Discos. 
The balance consisted of Range Rovers, a vehicle so ubiquitous in the US
that their presence in a rally is remarkable only in that the owners are
among the few who understand the car's legendary heritage.  Among the
latter was Cheryl Ritchie's coveted Great Divide Expedition vehicle,
complete with all its distinctive decals (including the obsolete British
Aerospace.)

	Dave Ritchie of the Blue Ridge Land Rover Club (Virginias) and
Matt Tanner of Durango, Colorado, were the principal organizers of the
rally.  Actually, their hardworking wives probably did most of the
logistical work.  They entrusted some events to local trail experts,
namely Grady Busse in the Grand Junction region and Bill Davis in the
Canyonlands around Moab.  Among the other Rover celebrities on hand were
Paul Ferralio (sp? -- sorry!) of Land Rover of North America, who brought
a bag of goodies to raffle off, and who showed up in a white Ninety
"company car" picked up in Denver; Charlie Haigh, on vacation from Rovers
North of Westford, Vermont, and providing a wealth of technical advice; 
and a team from British Pacific of Burbank, California, including parts
manager Lawrence who towed his aging 88 to Colorado to be on hand for most
of the events with emergency parts and advice as needed.  Also travelling
with him was a young lady from the Oxford firm that supplies British
Pacific.  She happened to be in Burbank on business, and with a few days
to spare, welcomed the opportunity to see some of America's scenic
wonders. 

	At one of the rally's temporary bases, British Pacific opened a
boutique of Rover paraphernalia in which books, videos, magazines, decals,
T-shirts, pins, posters, toys and models relegated car parts to an
insignificant corner.  BP makes a point of stocking virtually everything
of Rover interest, and made a killing on its captive audience, many of
whom could not resist the opportunity to haul off crates full of
merchandise.  The most popular toy among the numerous rally children was a
9-inch long German-made safari 109 by Bruder with movable parts.  BP also
held the entire American stock of French-made Solido 109s, and sold them
all within minutes.  Large stocks of LROI and LRW back issues were also
quickly depleted.  The prize toy was a solitary 1950s vintage Dinky in
very good condition, which sold for $45.  Just about the only Rover book
NOT on hand was the hot-off-the-press Camel Trophy *Great Adventure*
picture book.

	Due to the length and geographic variety of the rally, a daily log
serves best to describe to its highlights. 

	14 Aug.  The rally began unusually enough with some dinosaur mania
in the Grand Valley of western Colorado where the Gunnison River meets the
Colorado at Grand Junction.  A newly opened Dinamation museum in Fruita,
full of interactive exhibits and life-sized animated dinosaurs, proved
thrilling to the Rover children.  The adults probably found the Museum of
Western Colorado in Grand Junction a bit more enlightening as a
paleontologist described lab work with dinosaur bones found in the region. 
The 20th century part of the rally started with an easy drive through
Colorado National Monument, a colorful maze of canyons, arched windows,
rock spires and natural monoliths, sculpted by millions of years of wind
and rain.  The afternoon brought the first stint of serious four-wheeling
with a visit to the semi-secret, sacred grounds of the Camel Trophy US
Trials, where organizer Tom Collins has put American team semi-finalists
through grueling mental and physical tests for the past five years.  The
training area is a four-wheeler's badlands paradise where the tread
lightly rule is waived.  New Discovery owners proudly put their vehicles
through some of the Camel Trophy paces. 

	15 Aug.  Thirty miles west of Fruita, on the way to Utah, the
Rover owners made another dinosaur stop in Rabbit Valley, where another
paleontologist provided a fascinating explanation of a quarry where
fossils were first uncovered in 1982.  "Jurassic Park" notwithstanding,
paleontology remains severely underfunded, and the largely volunteer
excavation work will slowly continue for decades.  The Rover party
continued its hundred-mile road trip to the Mormon pioneer town of Moab,
Utah, through the sandstone canyons of the upper Colorado River (some 250
miles above the Grand Canyon).  The canyonlands of Moab hold fond memories
for veterans of the first US Land Rover rallies, and several of them were
on hand for a repeat performance.  The day's four-wheeling consisted of a
12-mile trek through the soft sands of Arches National Park red rock
country.  With some 1,500 natural sandstone arches, the park contains the
greatest density of these spectacular formations in the world.  Spires,
pinnacles, and balanced rocks with such evocative names as the "Marching
Men" vie with the arches as scenic spectacles.  After airing down, the
Rovers coped easily with the sand.  With temperatures rising well over 100
F, the humans faired a little less well.  A good-natured Suzuki became
trapped in the convoy, but suffered no ill-effects after claiming that it
aspired to be a Rover. 

	16 Aug.  A couple of Salt Lake City Tribune journalists joined 
the convoy on its second day in the canyonlands.  A few LROs went on an 
"easy" expedition, including at least one new Disco that was not yet 
ready for battle scars.  The remainder, about 36 vehicles, tackled the 
grade 4 Poison Spider trail, a day-long event of consistently challenging 
rock-climbing exercises that brought out the best in Land Rovers.  Spiral 
stairs, slickrock traverses, and sandstone V-gullies led to a 
well-deserved lunch break on the rim of the 2000-foot cliffs above the 
Colorado River.  The return trip, in temperatures soaring to 115 F, 
claimed the first casualties of the rally.  A 109 stalled with vapor 
lock.  A Range Rover buried itself to the top of its wheel rims in soft 
sand, and was rescued by some imaginative winching.  Although another 109 
sailed through the same difficult passage (on 8 psi tire pressure!), 
everybody else settled on an easier alternate route.  The occupants of an 
88 bailed out as it teetered on the edge of a petrified sand dune, but 
the car was successfully towed back to safety.  The day ended with many 
rounds of beer in desperate attempts to recover from severe dehydration.

	17 Aug.  It was an easy transitional day, as the Rovers escaped 
the desert heat and headed back to cooler Colorado climes on a 120-mile road 
trip through the Manti-La Sal National Forest and on to Telluride.  The 
Rover gang paused momentarily in this former mining town of Victorian 
vintage, now a National Historic District, to soak in the singular 
atmosphere.  Home to hippie artists and yuppie celebrities, and host to 
several internationally acclaimed music and film festivals, the small 
town pulses with upscale energy.  The surrounding towering "fourteeners" of 
the San Juan Mountains constitute an impressive vista, but the Rover 
group were particularly hypnotized by the sheer cliffs leading straight 
up to the infamous Black Bear Pass -- the challenge of the morrow.  
Thence the Rovers meandered south and east over dirt forest service roads 
to the Purgatory Ski Resort (just north of Durango), which would serve as 
base camp for the next two nights.   Many availed themselves of discount 
summer rates in the luxury hotel.  A few roughed it in nearby forest 
campgrounds.

	18 Aug.  The convoy set off at 8 a.m. (clearly not a vacation
schedule) north on US Highway 550 over Molas Pass (10,910 feet) toward its
second big challenge of the rally.  Skirting Silverton, another Victorian
National Historic District idyllically nestled in a valley, the group
headed up Red Mountain, and then branched off on the 4-wheel-only Black
Bear Road, fabled in song and story as one of America's most spectacular
trails.  After cresting a pass at 12,900 feet, the Rovers followed the
deceptively named Bridal Veil Creek to the edge of an abyss overlooking
Telluride 2,000 feet below.  The view from a Land Rover, dangerously
impeded by a spare tire on the hood, is not for the weak at heart.  As
fate would have it, a sudden squall added a bonus slippery hazard to the
infamous "stair steps" leading precipitously to the edge of the abyss
beside the top of a waterfall.  Nerves of steel and a leap of faith led
everybody not to a final resting place, but around a sharp corner and down
a trail cut into the cliff face.  The mountain side is littered with the
detritus of massive 19th century mining machinery, bearing silent witness
to the amazing energy and industry of pioneers who, without the benefit of
motorized transport, carved these treacherous and rudimentary trails in
order to tap the buried wealth of the mountains.  The trail down the
almost vertical face of the mountain to Telluride consists of a series of
sharp hairpin turns.  Land Rovers do not "turn on a dime" as they say in
the US, but with a couple of shifts into reverse, even the couple of 109s
successfully mastered the tight switchbacks.  The return trip to Purgatory
over Ophir Pass, beautifully desolate and barren scenery notwithstanding,
was a decidedly tame drive by comparison.  The day claimed another
casualty.  The same New Mexican Range Rover that had become trapped in
Moab sands suffered a mechanical failure at the top of Black Bear.  Two
Ninetys escorted the ill-fated vehicle off the mountain, one towing, and
the other restraining from the rear.  Fortunately the rescue operation
remained all in the family; a Jeep intervention would have been terribly
humiliating.  Another near miss occurred on the way back to home as a semi
flipped on a hairpin turn coming down Molas Pass just minutes after most
of the Rover convoy had passed through.  In the evening, all participants 
gathered at Dante's restaurant at the top of the Purgatory ski slopes for 
a rally banquet and distribution of raffle prizes.

	19 Aug.  As per the established pattern, a relaxing day followed
an exhausting one.  Many took the opportunity to relive the glory days
when the Iron Horse tamed the Wild West with a round trip on the restored
Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad.  Steam, soot, and the nostalgia
of the clickety-clack echoing in steep canyons draws railway and old West
buffs from all over the world.  The remnants of the Rover rally once again
headed over Molas Pass to Silverton, and thence east for a long wilderness
drive over Stony Pass on the continental divide.  As they climbed the
rocky road, the drivers could see towering above them an abandoned miners'
dormitory on the sheer face of Galena Mountain (13,278 feet).  It looked
more like an impregnable fortress.  Stony Pass, the headwaters of the
mighty Rio Grande high above tree line, brought the unexpected sight of a
flock of thousands of sheep tended only by four white dogs.  The long
trail along the upper Rio's alpine pastures evoked images of Switzerland. 
The picture was dramatically altered by the appearance of a llama train,
and the Rovers had little difficulty pretending they were in the Andean
1994 Camel Trophy.  The day ended 150 miles east of Purgatory at Alamosa
in freezing wind and rain that left campers chilled to the bone. 

	20 Aug.  The rally ended with a decimated contingent meeting at
the Great Sand Dunes National Monument at the foot of the Sangre de Cristo
Mountains near Alamosa for a full day of exciting 4-wheeling.  Covering 39
square miles and rising to heights of 700 feet, the seemingly misplaced
dunes are the tallest in America.  Unfortunately for the Rovers,
four-wheeling in the national monument is prohibited, but the convoy
skirted the edge of the massive dunes on a 15 mile gentle climb up Medano
Pass in the Sangres.  River crossings and mud holes, swollen from the
previous day's rains, provided the challenges.  One particular ditch
deteriorated so quickly that the fourth vehicle in line mired itself.  All
subsequent vehicles also had to be towed out, except the British Pacific
88 with balloon tires and the topless 109 pickup which had developed a
reputation as unstoppable by any obstacle.  The Rovers watched with
considerable satisfaction as a trailing Toyota attempted to match their
mudplugging feats -- with lamentable results.  The Toyota repeatedly
slammed its bumper into the mud bank, unable to even lift its front wheels
over the obstacle.  After a lunch break in the cow town of Westcliffe in
the wide Wet Mountain Valley, only sixteen Rovers remained for a bumpy
climb to Hermit Pass.  At 13,020 feet, Hermit is the fourth highest pass
in Colorado, and the highest point of the 1994 rally.  Freezing
temperatures sent the survivors scurrying back to Westcliffe.  The small
town held a surprise in the form of two Land Rovers for sale, a 1969 in
mint condition with only 40,000 miles ($6000), and a 1956 86 ($7000). If
wishes were Rovers, there would have been a couple of sales.  As the sun
set, the Rover owners bid fond adieus and dispersed to their respective
homes. 

	Future rally organizers may wish to make note of some of the
problems encountered in the 1994 rally.  A 900-mile, seven-day event with
no single base camp does not constitute a family event.  Wives and
children, and even weary Rover owners, found little opportunity for the
alternative distractions touted in the rally prospectus and tourist
brochures.  Several who took a day's break from the rally never found it
again due to frequently changing and vague schedules.  Even diehards found
it difficult to keep in touch with grapevine communications.  Trail scouts
tended to underestimate the time it takes numerous vehicles to help each
other through obstacles and stop for photo opportunities.  Rather early
starts and exhausting finishes, and the daily routine of packing and
unpacking gear, probably contributed to thinning out the ranks in the last
two days, and detracted from the holiday relaxation that many were
seeking.  And finally, a sad omission was the lack of distinctive awards,
whether serious or frivolous, for various driver and vehicle achievements. 

	All in all, however, the 1994 National Rally was an ambitious and 
unprecedented undertaking that actually constituted several rallies in 
one.  The scenery and rugged trails were unmatched, and Rover owners 
gained much satisfaction in witnessing "The Legend" at work.  Altogether 
it would be fair to call the event a true ORGASM -- an Organized Rover 
Gathering in America's Scenic Mountains. 

T. F. Mills                                              tomills@du.edu
University of Denver Library  2150 E. Evans Ave.  Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Tirfor Hand Winches.
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:09:26 UNDEFINED

My hand is stuck, adn I think I shall need something more beefy than my little 
market-stall 5 quid winch to get it free.

So. What are these things, how do they work, how much can they pull  adn how 
far, how much do they cost, adn where do you get em from?

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From: Malcolm956@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 07:47:09 EDT
Subject: Water pumps, etc.

Recently I requested and received information about the merits of water pump
rebuilding ($70 kit) v. buying new ($120).  In particular I thank
William.Grouell@eng.sun.com & craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au for their encouragement.
 

It might be possible to remove the old pump without pulling the radiator, but
removing the radiator is only about a 10 min job and it makes life a lot
easier for the rest of the work, cleaning the block and removing bits of the
old gasket in particular .  

The fan belt pulley is pressed onto shaft and takes a bit of determination to
remove.  Determination can be greatly reduced with a big, big hammer, or of
course, a press.  I heated the joint with a propane torch, saturated it with
Marvel Mystery Oil, supported the pulley flanges and beat on the shaft with a
3 lb hammer (the technical term is to "drift" it out).  Soon it came apart.

Simple tapping removed the shaft/bearing, seal and impeller.  The only
apparently bad part was the seal.  The kit replaces all of the those parts.
 I concede that it might be prudent to replace the bearing/shaft assembly,
but the old impeller looked like a brand new casting.  

Reassembly.  First step is to press the fan hub onto the shaft.  I neither
have a press nor access to one.  None of my vices would accommodate the
length of the parts.  Hammering cast iron will break cast iron.  I stared at
the new parts for half a day before a thought came.  I put a small hydraulic
jack under the Rover's front bumper, set the shaft on the jack, positioned
the hub on the oiled shaft under the bumper and jacked up the car.  When
there was a fair amount of weight on the hub I tapped the top of the bumper
with the 3lb'er and the hub slid gently onto the shaft.  Admittedly, this
takes three hands, but if you can't do jobs requiring three hands you have no
business owning a Land Rover.  

The bearing/shaft assembly went in to the pump body easily with tapping, but
it took me about four tries to line up the locating bolt holes.  

The impeller went on the same way as the hub.  Adjustment of the spacing was
by tapping using suitable sockets to support and spread the load.  

All in all, not a bad job.  The Rover was inspected, new brakes, new water
pump, ready to haul the dory over to the ocean, because the blues are hitting
like crazy out at the Isles of Shoals.  

I refilled fluids, hopped in and hit the starter.  Nothing!  My intermittent
starter problem has gone full time.  Land Rovers build character.  But I'm
getting tired of mine testing me to see whether I have enough yet.  

Malcolm

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 07:56:42 EDT
Subject: Re: locker

Robin writes,

 In case you all did not quite understand what I was on about, this is a 
small locker situated on the SIDE of the vehicle.

IMHO, i think you are talking about a locker on the outside of the rover that
leads to the inside of military rovers, if this is the case, i think it
was/is for the radio so that it could be easily used on the outside and
inside of the rover,
on the other hand i could be completely wrong.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Water pumps, etc.
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 13:38:03 UNDEFINED

>It might be possible to remove the old pump without pulling the radiator, but
>removing the radiator is only about a 10 min job and it makes life a lot
>easier for the rest of the work, cleaning the block and removing bits of the
>old gasket in particular .  

90s have a bloody great cowl behind teh radiator, running back to the fan. 
Makes it a bit more of a pain. What would happen to the cooling (in a 
temperate climate) if you just left teh thing off??

Just wondering......

Also, has anyone any reports on the reliability of these converions to convert 
from belt-driven to gear-driven cams?

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 07:34:03 PST
From: Bruce Harding <Bruce_Harding@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Portland poll...

    I'll be there with my 70 Series IIA 88" Green bomber (along with a
    couple of Triumphs).  Look for a 10 year old kid snapping pictures with
    his dad trying to slow him down...I'm the older of the two.

    Bruce Harding
    70 Land Rover
    57 Triumph TR3
    75 Triumph TR6

Right now my plan is to leave San Francisco sometime (probably late) on
Thursday.  Haven't yet decided whether to take 101 or follow I-5.
Figuring on roughly 14 hours of driving.

I am wondering who else I am going to meet there.  Or, perhaps, on the
way...

                  Jim Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 08:14:03 PST
From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Portland Poll...

Text item: Text_1

> I am wondering who else I am going to meet there.  Or, perhaps, on the 
way...

...and another local (mostly a lurker here)

        Brad Krohn / Deb Shannon
        '69 IIA 88" Bugeye in Poppy Red, primer and shiny spots

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 24 Aug 94 10:38:31 -0600
Subject: RE: Portland poll...

there me ben hui from vancouver b.c.. i think that ill be leaving on the 
thursday and will be staying at the red lion lloyd centre, which is the 
designated hotel for the meet. ill be travelling in a 69 series IIa tremclad 
green 88", one im hoping to sell in portland!!! hope to meet you there.
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: /S=jrussell@netcom.com/OU2=SMTPGW/OU=ILBA/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/ on Wed, Aug 
24, 1994 2:37 AM
Subject: Portland poll...

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Okay, so who on here is going to Portland?

Right now my plan is to leave San Francisco sometime (probably late) on 
Thursday.  Haven't yet decided whether to take 101 or follow I-5.  
Figuring on roughly 14 hours of driving.

I am wondering who else I am going to meet there.  Or, perhaps, on the 
way...  

                  Jim Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 09:50:15 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: locker

In message <Za7iRc4w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>  writes:
>  In case you all did not quite understand what I was on about, this is a 
> small locker situated on the SIDE of the vehicle.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
> Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, CanadaThe one 
I replyed to you about was on the right side of a ex_RAF 2 door 109 behind the 
side door, in front of the rear wheel and opened into the area under the bench.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 10:08:20 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Portland poll...

In message <Pine.3.89.9408240003.A21028-0100000@netcom3> James B Russell writes:
> Okay, so who on here is going to Portland?
> Right now my plan is to leave San Francisco sometime (probably late) on 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>                   Jim Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
>                          (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

Vance & I are planning to meet up outside the Petaluma KOA Thurs morning.

Looks like you are going to do some marathon driving.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Subject: Images
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 09:22:47 -0500

Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> writes:

>         Does any-one have any scaned pictures of Landies of any sort!  If
> possible in xbm format, but other format will do also, as at the moment, I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> that was once on a Land Rover, that's how desperate I am.  Series 1 would
> xbm picture would be the most extreamly wanted, but any picture.

        I have scanned photos of about thirty to forty OVLR Land Rovers
        sitting here.  The problem is actually getting them onto the
        RoverWeb from a primitive uucp site.  They tend to get fairly
        large when uuencoded and the central OCUnix site would murder
        me if I sent the lot and sent their mail bill through the roof.
        The photos are of about evry type of Land Rover found in Canada
        with the exception of early 80" and the 101.

        I am still working on getting them there, but unfortunately the
        Labour Force Survey is keeping me very busy of late.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: engine replacement (fwd)
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 09:28:44 -0500

Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> writes:

> The 80" started production in 1948, all models sold in 1948 were the 48
> prototypes that were made, and I am not sure, but I think the 2l was introduc
> in 1949 or 1950, and the first 2l were just the 1.6l bored out to 2l, also I 
> always thought that the 86" was introduced in 1953, and ran till the end of 
> 1956.

        These bits that I posted I pulled out of the Land Rover FAQ that I
        wrote last year for the mailing list.  The figures etc. are from a
        variety of sources that all seem to match up.  You are correct that
        the first 2l engine was a bored out 1.6l engine

>         You did not menchion any of the diesel engines, so here is what I kno
> the 2l diesel was design in 1956, but not available until the 88" was release
> as the diesel needed a shoe horn to be fitted under the bonnet of the 86".

        I deleted the bits on the diesel engine as the chap who was asking
        about his engine seemed to have a petrol.  Also deleted was the info
        on the 3.5l  v8 petrol engine and some extraneous information on
        engines.

> sometime in the late 70's to early 80's, they changed how the accelerator was
> hooked up, they went for all rods to a cable arrangement, but again I don't 
> know when, if any-one does could they please tell me, as the 2.25l diesel I a
> putting into my 86" has the cable arrangement accelerator.

        Very interesting.  I have never seen this here in Canada.  I will
        ask about the cable arrangement and see what I can come up with.  It
        could be something that was only done in Australia.

> P.S. Does any-one know how many genuine factory 86" Fire Engines were built,
> and how many, if any, were sent out to Australia?

        Not many and short of a direct letter to Land Rover it would be
        impossible to tell how many went to Australia.  he figures on
        production will deal with lhd and rhd export versions, but not
        necessarily to what countries.  Furthermore, as with Canada, many
        vehicles that were purchased by governments, large companies were
        ordered and shipped direct from Land Rover in the U.K. and never
        appeared on any stats as coming into Canada.  The LR operation here
        in Canada had no record of these vehicles.

> Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
> LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)

        How large is LROC of Victoria?  For the FAQ I tried last year to
        get information on LR clubs in Australia but came up with none.
        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 12:11:50 PDT
From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn)
Subject: Labor Weekend

Is anyone heading for the Black Rock Desert on Labor Weekend? There was to be
a Land Rover gathering there but most of the folks went last weekend instead.
I will be heading up that way myself, and wondered if anyone else might be
going.

I realize some folks are going to Portland, but just thought I'd ask anyway!

John Brabyn
Mill Valley
California
Stealth Rover (89 RR)

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Wed, 24 Aug 1994 13:32:38 +1100
Subject:       Re: Portland poll...

> Date sent:      Wed, 24 Aug 1994 00:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From:           James B Russell <jrussell@netcom.com>
> Subject:        Portland poll...
> To:             LAND-ROVER Mailing List <lro@stratus.com>

> Okay, so who on here is going to Portland?
> Right now my plan is to leave San Francisco sometime (probably late) on 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>                   Jim Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
>                          (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

Jim,

    About 12 of us in 6 vehicles will be driving from Eastern 
Washington to attend the Portland All British Field Meet.  We 
will have a 51' 86, several 109's and a 1985 110 Overland Land Yacht!, 
plus my 88.  We will be leaving Friday morning sometime and 
caravanning together.  Hope to see you there!

Regards,

John R. Benham
Spokane, WA USA
> Okay, so who on here is going to Portland?

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 14:19:19 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping 

>Seeing the last few messages makes me wonder how old most of us are
>on the net.  I am 48.  Maybe I am fooling myself that most Land Rover
>owners are about 20 to 30 and still crazy!  Hi Hi.  Maybe there is hope
>for me yet.  Dave VE4PN
none
This age thing will, I predict, start another lengthy thread on the net.  I 
am 49.  Other Rover owners in my area range from the 20s to the 60s but I'd 
generally say we range mostly in the 40s and up.  Of course, a lot of us got 
our Rovers when we were in our 20s or 30s...

I am following this camping thread with the greatest interest and am forming 
a guide from it (only in my mind at this stage).  A lot of good stuff is 
coming from this.  Thanks, everyone!

One comment I've got to make (I suppose it fits with my abhorrence of the 
nickname "Landy") is about color.  Several of you are recommending the use 
of blue poly tarps.  Yuck!  Although I have a bunch of them, I do truly hate 
them. There is really no reason for them to be so ugly. I also have some 
green ones, but they aren't much better. They are available in brown which 
looks very much better, but for some reason they are very hard to find; I 
have even seen camo ones.  Speaking of camo, I have long intended to by one 
of those leafy-camo nets to use as a shade cover for camping as it would 
provide good shade but let air and some light flow (obviously no good for 
rain protection).  I have a large canvas tarp which I bought from a local 
military surplus store.  It is made from scraps of old canvas army tents 
which were not repairable.  It is OD in color and has served me well for 
quite a few years.

I feel the same about the color of Land-Rovers and other things that go into 
the outback.  Earth-tones are best as they intrude the least on the natural 
setting. My feeling is that Tread Lightly! extends to visual and noise 
impacts upon the landscape as well as to physical damage (that and easy 
repair of the inevitable-to-my-style-of-off-roading panel damage are why my 
main Land-Rover is painted camouflage, not that I'm into the para-military 
scene, with guns and such).

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[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 24 Aug 94 17:19:20 -0600
Subject: IMPORTS FROM CANADA

does anyony know the import charges with respects to duties for importation to 
the u.s. from canada? i also need to know the types of documents that may be 
needed and if year of vehicle plays a role. my truck is 25 now and i need to 
know if it qualifies for collectors status which means duty free if your were 
importing to canada but i am unsure if it goes both ways for importing to the 
u.s.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Camping 
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 18:36:58 EDT

> >Seeing the last few messages makes me wonder how old most of us are
> >on the net.  I am 48.  Maybe I am fooling myself that most Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> generally say we range mostly in the 40s and up.  Of course, a lot of us got 
> our Rovers when we were in our 20s or 30s...

ah, toitey-fawr.....into 'em since, well, uno or less.

rd/nigel (same age as me)

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Subject: famous Land Rover product owners
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 18:57:01 -0500

Well, there has been some chat about famous persons who have or do own 
Solihull's finest. 

In the latest issue of Land Rover World (The factory Publication ) there 
was a nice little piece which I will reprint below:-

"DREAM WHEELS THE MOVIE ELITE LOVES TO DRIVE

Quote from TODAY newspaper of 18 february 1994, on some the glitterati 
who own the "dream wheels" of a Range Rover:

"Proud parents Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, Demi Moore and Bruce Willis, 
meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid, Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith all say it is 
the perfect family car.

Since the $50,000 Range Rover County LWB was launched in America in 1987 
it has been snapped up by hundreds of celebrities.

Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, Jane Fonda, Emilio Estevez, Patrick Swayze, 
Jack Nicholson, Stefanie Powers and Michael J. Fox are among those who 
proudly brave the Hollywood freeways in a Rover.

As are Rod Stewart, Cher, George Michael and Barry Manilow. Even Michael 
Jackson has one.

Land Rover, which produces the Range rover says it is not surprised the 
cars are so popular. Celebrities want to drive them because they are 
timeless, and embody a sophisticated and out doors oriented lifestyle.

The company is the only car manufacturer to have all four Royal Warrants.

  "

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: wird land rovers
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 19:09:47 -0500

I was reading an article which took me by surprise the other day. It made 
mention of some "older 108 specials". Am I being dumb or does anyone else 
rember what these might be? I think that they were refering to the 109" 
forward contols and had somewhere made a typo.

Rgds

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: wird land rovers
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 11:40:42 EST

> I was reading an article which took me by surprise the other day. It made 
> mention of some "older 108 specials". Am I being dumb or does anyone else 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
> Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

I have heard of 80" 81" 86" 88" 100" 101" 107" 109" 110" 127" but never a
108", I therefore would have to agree with you in that it was a typo!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 02:46:13 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: LR Reliability

On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

>...cut... 
> Mine seems to be keeping going, but it sounds like its winding up for the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> 408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
>                        MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

You describe the sound as rattling. Two reasons comes to my mind.
1. He accidently put in a diesel ;-)
2. After a rebuild, valves needs ajustment once or twice during the first 
period. Valves can be quite noisy.

I drove 600 miles earlier this month. One valve is out of ajustment and makes
a rattling noise that makes Lawrence sound like an old Ferguson (the old grey
model). Especially when driving up 3. gear hills in fourth. (I prefer not to
shift _down_ to third as my syncro is gone. 
BTW, before i ajust valves, i clean the exhaust valves the motorway way and
the inlet valves the club soda way.

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

######################((|||))#############((|||))

                            AVoN RANGEMASTER 
                                 7.50 16

######################((|||))#############((|||))
 

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 01:56:02 +0100 (MET)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Dutch LRO

On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Roeland van Delzen wrote <Stuff cut out>:

> 1) Is there anybody from Denmark on this list ? As I have a Danish 
> girlfriend I'am regularly in Denmark and wondered if there are 
> any off road clubs overthere (Jutland area / Sonderborg)

Hi Roeland.
Sorry for the short (!) reply on 22 aug. I was about to pull the plug and go
home. Just wanted you to know that something IS happening in Denmark.

Dansk Land-Rover Klub has a little less than 1000 members (increasing).
The club is devided in 12 regions. Your choice would be:

Region Soenderjylland (covering Soenderborg)
c/o Leif Hemmesen
Morbaervej 21
DK-6600 Vejen
Tel: 75 36 11 14 (between 18:00 - 21:00 daily)

I'm going to post a presentation "Dansk Land-Rover Klub" to the list.

 
> 2) I plan to go to Island coming summer (July 95). Is there somebody from 
> Island on this list and/or has somebody been there ? I like to exchange 
> some experiences. E.g. what is the fastest / cheapest way to come there ?

Some guys from the club went to Island. One of them got an offer on car-
transport. Condition was that the Landie's should fit into a standard 20'
container. They shipped the cars and went by air.
Look in the yellow pages for shipping agents. There should be some of them in
Holland ;-)

> 4) Recently I came across a 1.20 m deep river and (of course) went 
> through it (knowing I had my raised air intake). My Tdi went through 
> is beautifully, however, (lots of ) water/mud came into my air ventilation 
> system. After cleaning and drying it, my fuses burn through the whole 
> time. Has anybody tips for this ?

First, buy, borrow, beg a workshop manual and check the diagram to find
out which fuses that burns.
If it's the air vent fuses that burns, take out the whole thing and take it
apart and clean it. Check all wires to see if they are intact. 

Did you get mud through the vent flaps under the windows? If so, some mud
may have found its way to the snakepit of wires behind the instrument
panel. If that is the case, you should reserve the weekend for wire tweeking.
 
> Looking forward to hear from you,
> Roeland van Delzen
> Maarssen / The Netherlands
 
Later

+----------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Soren Vels                 | 1976  sIII  109"   2.25 petrol |
| velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk     | "Lawrence of Arabia"           |    ((|||))
| Royal Danish Air Force     | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 |   ((|||))
| Communications Specialist  | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members.   |    ((|||))
+----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______

######################((|||))#############((|||))

                            AVoN RANGEMASTER 
                                 7.50 16

######################((|||))#############((|||))

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 23:26:06 EDT
Subject: Re: report on US National Rally

Tom thanks for the report on the national rally, perhaps next year...

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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