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1 "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [7156The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
2 CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR 31New Book
3 "Rostykus, John" [john@d21RE: New Book
4 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on80[not specified]
5 Jan Hilborn [jhilborn@mo14Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)
6 DAVID SPENCER [x92nca@es10RE:Clutch (thanks)
7 jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy13Land Rover Poster
8 Craig Murray [craigp@ocs29Land Rover Advertising Print
9 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca33[not specified]
10 dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on100[not specified]
11 IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.a22Re: Land Rover Poster


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Date: 17 Aug 94 09:32:51 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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From: BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN, 71773,3457
INTERNET:owner-lro-digest@uk.stratus.com
Date: Mon, Aug 15, 1994, 16:14
Subject: +Postage Due+The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Dear Folks:

I have been asked to comment on my experiences in buying a Land Rover from 
Warwick 4 X 4. The bottom line is, the experience was wonderful and it went 
without any significant hitches. 

I wanted an 88", 3-door Land Rover which had to be a pre-1967 to be imported 
to the United States. Warwick acquired a 1962 Series II and redid it to Series
III specifications. Sepcifically, they basically maintained the original body 
and fire wall and put that on a brand new, zinc, galvanized chassis. They 
reconditioned the gear box, converted to left-hand drive, added a new brake 
system including dual circuit, servo assist, disk brakes in front and 
Cupro-nickle pipes. They put in a new interior with high-back front seats and 
took out the useless middle seat and added a cubby box to it, which is very 
useful. They put a new interior with door trims, carpets, sound proofing and 
roof headlining. The entire vehicle was painted in my specific choice of 
color. I had an over-drive put into it and I decided to put in a Turner, 
rebuilt, 2.5 4-cylinder engine. It is my understanding that the Turner rebuilt
engine is the finest in the world. Warwick 4 x 4 usually does not use Turner 
engines, but I found it an easy thing to do to contact Turner myself and have 
the engine delivered. The whole process took approximately 14 weeks.

After the vehicle was completed and test driven, it was placed in its 
individual container and put on a ship that is organized by Warwick and 
shipped to the United States.

On the receiving end, I called an export-import broker in Jacksonville, 
Florida and they made all the arrangements to have the container off-loaded, 
inspected by customs and, generally, have it ready for my pick-up. 
Surprisingly, it went well, without any hitch. The only problem customs had 
was they could not understand how a 1962 vehicle had 50 miles on the odometer.

I have had this vehicle now for 2,000 miles and it is absolutely a marvelous 
piece of equipment without any significant problems. The only problem I had 
was it blew a fuse because the windshield wiper wires were reversed. Other 
than that, the engine works flawlessly, has not burned any oil and, believe it
or not, thus far no fluids are dripping on my driveway.

If anyone would like to have more details about this operation, please do not 
hesitate to call me or contact me via internet
Benjamin G. Newman,MD
1962 88'series 111
1967 109' series 11A SW

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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:29:34 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: New Book

I have just received a new book in the mail, one that will go onto the
silent auction table at the Mid-Atlantic Land Rover Rally.  So far I've
resisted the urge to open it up, as I figure a sealed, clean book might
sell for more than one with a bunch of grubby, 90wt finger prints all over
the pages.

Anyway, it is "The Great Adventure" a pictorial history of *all* of the
Camel Trophy events.  As it is published in Switzerland (in English, French
and German), it is expensive, $65US.  If I can get the price down in a bulk
purchase, would anyone be interested, or is this just too much for a book?

It's a large format, coffee-table sized book, maybe 12 X 16", 200+ pages
and virtually all color prints.

My college best friend who works at RJR came through with a bunch of Camel
Trophy goodies that will be given away at the rally: T-shirts (with a
really nifty image of a Disco bonnet-deep in the muck), web belts, pens,
pins, even engraved Zippo lighters.

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
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    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: New Book
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 11:31:00 PDT

>Anyway, it is "The Great Adventure" a pictorial history of *all* of the
>Camel Trophy events.  As it is published in Switzerland (in English, French
>and German), it is expensive, $65US.  If I can get the price down in a bulk
>purchase, would anyone be interested, or is this just too much for a book?

I purchased this book through the LRO book shop, and I believe it cost me 
less than $65US (I'll double check when I get home).  It is a fantastic 
book, if you like pictures.  If you want to read about the Camel trophy, 
this book's not for you.  The text is minimal.

Now all I need is a good color scanner, and I'd have some wonderful Land 
Rover images for my desktop...

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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Subject: New Rovers North toy...
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 12:38:44 -0500

        Reading the latest Rovers North flyer (Fall Specials Flyer 1994)
        I came across a device that I find slightly confusing.  In fact
        I think that it is a pile of junk but am willing to be corrected.
        That the chap at RN didn't have a clue whether or not this device
        was for positive or negative earth vehicles was even more
        enlightening.

        The device in question if the "Rust Buster"  It bills itself as
        an "Electronic Corrossion Control" device.  They say it retards
        the oxidation process dramatically by delivering a small electric
        charge to the metal parts of your Land Rover.  Free electrons are
        pumped into the metal bits of our Rovers, these electrons bind with
        oxygen atoms rather than the oxygen binding with the FE atoms.
        They then go on and say that this technology has been in use on
        naval vessels, pipelines and the oil industry and that they
        have customers that swear by the product.

        Well, enough of the advert.  Starting at the end of the blurb, where
        this is used, what they say is true, but with a major provisio.
        We are talking about cathodic protectors here.  Not rocket science.
        Their implication that they are the same is bullshit.

        Naval vessels use blocks of manganese (or something similar) welded
        onto the hull. These blocks serve as sacrificial chunks of metal,
        slowly "dissolving" away and protecting the hull of the ship.  They
        work very well because a ship is sitting in a great bath of salt
        water (fresh water on the Great Lakes, but it works nearly as well)
        and there is near perfect conductance across the entire hull of the
        ship.  Land Rovers don't live in salt water baths.  Outside of OVLR
        Land Rovers on many weekends, they don't reside in fresh water baths
        either.

        Pipelines, the oil industry.  Yeah, well oil and gas industries
        both use lots of pipelines.  What do they do?  Cathodic protectors
        are used.  They comprise large cables welded to the pipeline.  These
        cables run into a field of sacrificial metal blocks buried in the
        ground.  They are arranged in fields of five to six units, forming
        a ground plane.  Keeping a watchful eye on the sacrificial bits
        gives you a good indication how your pipeline is going to do vis-a
        vis rust/corrosion et cetera.  Land Rovers do not live out their
        lives with cable welded from the metal bits to a ground plane sunk
        in the ground.

        So much for their advertising...

        That someone at RN didn't know whether these were for positive and
        negative earth vehicles was interesting, but really doesn't matter.
        What this little device is doing, just by reading their own copy
        is doing exactly what a positive earth vehicle does with the
        battery supplying electrons to the vehicle.  Sacrificial blocks?
        The Land Rover is made of the stuff.  Take a look at the galvanic
        action between the aluminium body and the metal bits sometime.
        That the aluminium is dissappearing is exactly what donor metal
        does in a case like this.  Galvanic action is just showing that
        there is imperfect conductance throughout the Land Rover, probably
        because the Land Rover is not in a salt water bath or welded to the
        driveway.

        All in all, it is a lot cheaper to convert to positive earth from
        negative earth, or leave your Land Rover positive earth rather than
        blow $105US on this little device...  How the same little device
        works on both positive and negative earth vehicles would be a bit
        interesting to see exactly what they are doing but why bother...
        Am I correct, or am I just confused about what I learned in
        chemistry class through high school and university?

        Anyone have a different opinion regarding this toy?

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)

 Dixon and everyone else -
   as far as i know this is not a "new" toy since i seem to remember 
asking for guinea pigs to test this thing out when i was the editor of 
the RN newsletter some few years ago. I didn't personally test it out 
since it wasn't free (even to the illustrious editor) and if i ever heard 
the results i forget them now.
  I'll scold Dirk (of RN) tonight about the vagueness of whoever you 
spoke to and find a little bit more about the damn thing...
  jan

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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 18:55:59 AST
From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca>
Subject: RE:Clutch (thanks)

Thanks for the comments and insights made about clutches, I should be
into soon and will post any problems...not addressred in the digests.
David S.
Antigonish
Nova Scotia (land of fishing villages but no fish)

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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:24:18 PDT
From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick)
Subject: Land Rover Poster

If anyone is interested, I saw a poster you can order from (B.F. Goodrich
?) with a giant purple duotone of a Land Rover Def. 90. The poster is $7.50
and you can order at 1-800-677-3322. Standard disclaimer here.

Jimmy Patrick

--
jimmyp@netcom.com

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From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Land Rover Advertising Print
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 13:12:05 EST

Hi all,
        Just thought I would mail y'all to tell you that I just recieved 8
of the prints advertised in LRO, and two of the jigsaws (Not that I wanted
them, buts thats another story), anyway, any-one that is thinking of getting
some of these prints, don't (That's think) just get them, they are great.
They are about A3 size and the colour is very vivid, so much so that I am
getting 3 more (Mainly because I have to mail them about the cockup with
the jigsaws)aswell as two others they did not send out.  One of them I got
is really great, say that the Land Rover is "by appointment to His majesty
King George V", not used to hearing His majest.

        To those who replied to my plea for help to start my diesel, thanks,
and it looks like I am going to have to try and roll start it, as even with a
fully charged battery, it would not start, I think it is because the motor
is know and "The rings are very tight", I can't use two men and a horse to pull
start it as I don't know any-one that would lend me one!

That's all for know!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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Subject: galvanised steel.
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 22:37:01 -0500

Recently there was some dsicussuion on the subject of galvanising wheels.

As a fabricator and welder by trade i really wanted to jump in and give 
my opinion at the time. I resisted for a good reason, I wanted to get 
more information .

Yesterday  I visited a company that does galvanisng and spoke at lenghth 
with the big boos man abotu this.

His opinion is this, he'll galvanise anything you bring in, but wheels he 
get a waiver signed on them.

In his and his companies ipoion the cold formed rims are weakend and 
embrittled when the heating up to 850 degrees takes place. As such they 
do not the liability problems asssociated with disintegrating wheels in 
motion.

I have also talked to a number of other sage persons who have alot of 
experience with galvanised material. Their view is that you can do it 
without any problems like those mentioned above.

So there you have it, clear as mud.

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...)
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 22:52:35 -0500

Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu> writes:

>    as far as i know this is not a "new" toy since i seem to remember 
> asking for guinea pigs to test this thing out when i was the editor of 
> the RN newsletter some few years ago. I didn't personally test it out 
> since it wasn't free (even to the illustrious editor) and if i ever heard 
> the results i forget them now.

        It is not a "new" toy per say, but it is a new toy for RN to be
        offering.  It has been around for a while, even JC Whitless has
        offered something similar in the past.  However, the problem with
        this gadget, whether a passive or active system (and the
        description leads one to believe that it is an active system, much
        like a positive earthed electrical system and not passive as with
        blocks of sacrificial material like my door bottoms etc.), it will
        not work properly for one simple reason.  The electrical circuit
        formed by all of the various bits of a vehicle, Land Rover or
        otherwise, is not perfect.  There are discontinuities, drops in
        conductance from rusty parts bolted together and the like.

        Rust is not some vaguely understood process.  It is a simple
        electrical reaction where electrons are moving between oxygen,
        iron, and in our case, aluminium chunks of metal.  Our road salt
        just makes a better conductor for this entire reaction to take
        place when mixed liberally with slush and water.

        Just properly cleaning your Land Rover after a mud bath, oiling the
        frame every year, well painting the bits that are apart for
        refurbishment, basically proper case and attention will do a world
        of difference to the longevity of the vehicle.

        A device such as this will give the owner a false sense of security,
        allow them to become lazy, and get them really pissed when five years
        down the road they come to some sort of vague realisation that maybe
        it did not work as well as advertised.

>   I'll scold Dirk (of RN) tonight about the vagueness of whoever you 
> spoke to and find a little bit more about the damn thing...

        I'm protecting the guilty.  I know who I talked to and am not that
        surprised that they didn't know much about this.  They probably
        should, especially if a potential buyer starts asking all sorts of
        questions.  I asked becuase I was familiar with them and was a bit
        surprised to see it for sale.

        The little ad makes all sorts of promises. Promises that, to my
        reading and talking with many people, just are not borne out by
        experience.  As above, in theory it should work. Reality, as with
        so many things is slightly different.  If the gadget in question is
        actually an "active" system, why does the ad mislead the reader
        with comparisons with passive systems as found on ships and
        pipelines?  If it is passive (and I doubt it actually) how does it
        deal with the electrical discontinuities found within a Land Rover?

        If RN wants to supply parts that JC Whitless supplies, have them
        offer the propane heater for the winter.  Now that sounds very
        interesting, especially when it hits -40 here and there isn't an
        electrical plug to be seen (probably buried under fifty thousand
        tons of snow and ice).  That is useful. (BTW, speaking of winter,
        the 2.25l block heater that RN told me last fall was NLA can be
        purchased up here at Canadian Tire)

        RN makes a big deal about the genuine parts they supply, and about
        the quality of service they provide.  Apart from discussion here
        and elsewhere on actual prices, they have been an excellent
        supplier.  They should be more careful when it comes to gadgets
        like this, especially if someone can vaguely remember some bits
        from a high school e & m or chemistry cousre and some practical
        experince at what a typical frame (read circuit) looks like.  When
        I think of problems I, and others, have had just because, something
        like, the starter wasn't grounding properly and then look at
        something that requires an ideal electrical circuit, you have to
        wonder about the gadget.

        RN can sell the thing, it really doesn't affect me, nor do I have
        any say, but people reading this advert in the latest flyer should
        have an idea what it is all about.  It is not a solution as
        advertised.  If it was, it would be a lot more popular as spoken
        about.  For $140 Cdn, a brush attachemnt for the hose and a good
        oil job will be a fear better investment and a lot cheaper.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS.  Am still curious if they differentiate between positive and
             negative earthed vehicles.
        PPS. How did they test it out?  Not an easy test to do.  The
             vehicles would have to be very comparable, drive under almost
             identical conditions and then wait quite a while to see how
             the results turned out.

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dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 07:56:19 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover Poster

> If anyone is interested, I saw a poster you can order from (B.F. Goodrich
> ?) with a giant purple duotone of a Land Rover Def. 90. The poster is $7.50
> and you can order at 1-800-677-3322. Standard disclaimer here.
I've seen this poster too. I can't remember the context, but I *do* 
remember thinking "God, this is TACKY"

As I remember, everything was purple except the tyres :-)

BTW, it was the US spec '90.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
#======================================================================#
Land Rover: A work-horse that was meant to survive the charge of an
 adult bull rhino and be field-stripped in the jungle with essentially
 a screwdriver and a crescent wrench.

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