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1 | "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [71 | 56 | The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
2 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 31 | New Book |
3 | "Rostykus, John" [john@d | 21 | RE: New Book |
4 | dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on | 80 | [not specified] |
5 | Jan Hilborn [jhilborn@mo | 14 | Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...) |
6 | DAVID SPENCER [x92nca@es | 10 | RE:Clutch (thanks) |
7 | jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy | 13 | Land Rover Poster |
8 | Craig Murray [craigp@ocs | 29 | Land Rover Advertising Print |
9 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 33 | [not specified] |
10 | dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on | 100 | [not specified] |
11 | IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.a | 22 | Re: Land Rover Poster |
Date: 17 Aug 94 09:32:51 EDT From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com> Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest --------------- Forwarded Message --------------- From: BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN, 71773,3457 INTERNET:owner-lro-digest@uk.stratus.com Date: Mon, Aug 15, 1994, 16:14 Subject: +Postage Due+The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Dear Folks: I have been asked to comment on my experiences in buying a Land Rover from Warwick 4 X 4. The bottom line is, the experience was wonderful and it went without any significant hitches. I wanted an 88", 3-door Land Rover which had to be a pre-1967 to be imported to the United States. Warwick acquired a 1962 Series II and redid it to Series III specifications. Sepcifically, they basically maintained the original body and fire wall and put that on a brand new, zinc, galvanized chassis. They reconditioned the gear box, converted to left-hand drive, added a new brake system including dual circuit, servo assist, disk brakes in front and Cupro-nickle pipes. They put in a new interior with high-back front seats and took out the useless middle seat and added a cubby box to it, which is very useful. They put a new interior with door trims, carpets, sound proofing and roof headlining. The entire vehicle was painted in my specific choice of color. I had an over-drive put into it and I decided to put in a Turner, rebuilt, 2.5 4-cylinder engine. It is my understanding that the Turner rebuilt engine is the finest in the world. Warwick 4 x 4 usually does not use Turner engines, but I found it an easy thing to do to contact Turner myself and have the engine delivered. The whole process took approximately 14 weeks. After the vehicle was completed and test driven, it was placed in its individual container and put on a ship that is organized by Warwick and shipped to the United States. On the receiving end, I called an export-import broker in Jacksonville, Florida and they made all the arrangements to have the container off-loaded, inspected by customs and, generally, have it ready for my pick-up. Surprisingly, it went well, without any hitch. The only problem customs had was they could not understand how a 1962 vehicle had 50 miles on the odometer. I have had this vehicle now for 2,000 miles and it is absolutely a marvelous piece of equipment without any significant problems. The only problem I had was it blew a fuse because the windshield wiper wires were reversed. Other than that, the engine works flawlessly, has not burned any oil and, believe it or not, thus far no fluids are dripping on my driveway. If anyone would like to have more details about this operation, please do not hesitate to call me or contact me via internet Benjamin G. Newman,MD 1962 88'series 111 1967 109' series 11A SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:29:34 EDT From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: New Book I have just received a new book in the mail, one that will go onto the silent auction table at the Mid-Atlantic Land Rover Rally. So far I've resisted the urge to open it up, as I figure a sealed, clean book might sell for more than one with a bunch of grubby, 90wt finger prints all over the pages. Anyway, it is "The Great Adventure" a pictorial history of *all* of the Camel Trophy events. As it is published in Switzerland (in English, French and German), it is expensive, $65US. If I can get the price down in a bulk purchase, would anyone be interested, or is this just too much for a book? It's a large format, coffee-table sized book, maybe 12 X 16", 200+ pages and virtually all color prints. My college best friend who works at RJR came through with a bunch of Camel Trophy goodies that will be given away at the rally: T-shirts (with a really nifty image of a Disco bonnet-deep in the muck), web belts, pens, pins, even engraved Zippo lighters. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM> Subject: RE: New Book Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 11:31:00 PDT >Anyway, it is "The Great Adventure" a pictorial history of *all* of the >Camel Trophy events. As it is published in Switzerland (in English, French >and German), it is expensive, $65US. If I can get the price down in a bulk >purchase, would anyone be interested, or is this just too much for a book? I purchased this book through the LRO book shop, and I believe it cost me less than $65US (I'll double check when I get home). It is a fantastic book, if you like pictures. If you want to read about the Camel trophy, this book's not for you. The text is minimal. Now all I need is a good color scanner, and I'd have some wonderful Land Rover images for my desktop... John Rostykus john@data-io.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: New Rovers North toy... From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 12:38:44 -0500 Reading the latest Rovers North flyer (Fall Specials Flyer 1994) I came across a device that I find slightly confusing. In fact I think that it is a pile of junk but am willing to be corrected. That the chap at RN didn't have a clue whether or not this device was for positive or negative earth vehicles was even more enlightening. The device in question if the "Rust Buster" It bills itself as an "Electronic Corrossion Control" device. They say it retards the oxidation process dramatically by delivering a small electric charge to the metal parts of your Land Rover. Free electrons are pumped into the metal bits of our Rovers, these electrons bind with oxygen atoms rather than the oxygen binding with the FE atoms. They then go on and say that this technology has been in use on naval vessels, pipelines and the oil industry and that they have customers that swear by the product. Well, enough of the advert. Starting at the end of the blurb, where this is used, what they say is true, but with a major provisio. We are talking about cathodic protectors here. Not rocket science. Their implication that they are the same is bullshit. Naval vessels use blocks of manganese (or something similar) welded onto the hull. These blocks serve as sacrificial chunks of metal, slowly "dissolving" away and protecting the hull of the ship. They work very well because a ship is sitting in a great bath of salt water (fresh water on the Great Lakes, but it works nearly as well) and there is near perfect conductance across the entire hull of the ship. Land Rovers don't live in salt water baths. Outside of OVLR Land Rovers on many weekends, they don't reside in fresh water baths either. Pipelines, the oil industry. Yeah, well oil and gas industries both use lots of pipelines. What do they do? Cathodic protectors are used. They comprise large cables welded to the pipeline. These cables run into a field of sacrificial metal blocks buried in the ground. They are arranged in fields of five to six units, forming a ground plane. Keeping a watchful eye on the sacrificial bits gives you a good indication how your pipeline is going to do vis-a vis rust/corrosion et cetera. Land Rovers do not live out their lives with cable welded from the metal bits to a ground plane sunk in the ground. So much for their advertising... That someone at RN didn't know whether these were for positive and negative earth vehicles was interesting, but really doesn't matter. What this little device is doing, just by reading their own copy is doing exactly what a positive earth vehicle does with the battery supplying electrons to the vehicle. Sacrificial blocks? The Land Rover is made of the stuff. Take a look at the galvanic action between the aluminium body and the metal bits sometime. That the aluminium is dissappearing is exactly what donor metal does in a case like this. Galvanic action is just showing that there is imperfect conductance throughout the Land Rover, probably because the Land Rover is not in a salt water bath or welded to the driveway. All in all, it is a lot cheaper to convert to positive earth from negative earth, or leave your Land Rover positive earth rather than blow $105US on this little device... How the same little device works on both positive and negative earth vehicles would be a bit interesting to see exactly what they are doing but why bother... Am I correct, or am I just confused about what I learned in chemistry class through high school and university? Anyone have a different opinion regarding this toy? Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...) Dixon and everyone else - as far as i know this is not a "new" toy since i seem to remember asking for guinea pigs to test this thing out when i was the editor of the RN newsletter some few years ago. I didn't personally test it out since it wasn't free (even to the illustrious editor) and if i ever heard the results i forget them now. I'll scold Dirk (of RN) tonight about the vagueness of whoever you spoke to and find a little bit more about the damn thing... jan ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 18:55:59 AST From: DAVID SPENCER <x92nca@esseX.stfx.ca> Subject: RE:Clutch (thanks) Thanks for the comments and insights made about clutches, I should be into soon and will post any problems...not addressred in the digests. David S. Antigonish Nova Scotia (land of fishing villages but no fish) ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 19:24:18 PDT From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: Land Rover Poster If anyone is interested, I saw a poster you can order from (B.F. Goodrich ?) with a giant purple duotone of a Land Rover Def. 90. The poster is $7.50 and you can order at 1-800-677-3322. Standard disclaimer here. Jimmy Patrick -- jimmyp@netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au> Subject: Land Rover Advertising Print Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 13:12:05 EST Hi all, Just thought I would mail y'all to tell you that I just recieved 8 of the prints advertised in LRO, and two of the jigsaws (Not that I wanted them, buts thats another story), anyway, any-one that is thinking of getting some of these prints, don't (That's think) just get them, they are great. They are about A3 size and the colour is very vivid, so much so that I am getting 3 more (Mainly because I have to mail them about the cockup with the jigsaws)aswell as two others they did not send out. One of them I got is really great, say that the Land Rover is "by appointment to His majesty King George V", not used to hearing His majest. To those who replied to my plea for help to start my diesel, thanks, and it looks like I am going to have to try and roll start it, as even with a fully charged battery, it would not start, I think it is because the motor is know and "The rings are very tight", I can't use two men and a horse to pull start it as I don't know any-one that would lend me one! That's all for know! ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel (Soon!) email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: galvanised steel. From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 22:37:01 -0500 Recently there was some dsicussuion on the subject of galvanising wheels. As a fabricator and welder by trade i really wanted to jump in and give my opinion at the time. I resisted for a good reason, I wanted to get more information . Yesterday I visited a company that does galvanisng and spoke at lenghth with the big boos man abotu this. His opinion is this, he'll galvanise anything you bring in, but wheels he get a waiver signed on them. In his and his companies ipoion the cold formed rims are weakend and embrittled when the heating up to 850 degrees takes place. As such they do not the liability problems asssociated with disintegrating wheels in motion. I have also talked to a number of other sage persons who have alot of experience with galvanised material. Their view is that you can do it without any problems like those mentioned above. So there you have it, clear as mud. Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rust Buster (was new RN toy...) From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 22:52:35 -0500 Jan Hilborn <jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu> writes: > as far as i know this is not a "new" toy since i seem to remember > asking for guinea pigs to test this thing out when i was the editor of > the RN newsletter some few years ago. I didn't personally test it out > since it wasn't free (even to the illustrious editor) and if i ever heard > the results i forget them now. It is not a "new" toy per say, but it is a new toy for RN to be offering. It has been around for a while, even JC Whitless has offered something similar in the past. However, the problem with this gadget, whether a passive or active system (and the description leads one to believe that it is an active system, much like a positive earthed electrical system and not passive as with blocks of sacrificial material like my door bottoms etc.), it will not work properly for one simple reason. The electrical circuit formed by all of the various bits of a vehicle, Land Rover or otherwise, is not perfect. There are discontinuities, drops in conductance from rusty parts bolted together and the like. Rust is not some vaguely understood process. It is a simple electrical reaction where electrons are moving between oxygen, iron, and in our case, aluminium chunks of metal. Our road salt just makes a better conductor for this entire reaction to take place when mixed liberally with slush and water. Just properly cleaning your Land Rover after a mud bath, oiling the frame every year, well painting the bits that are apart for refurbishment, basically proper case and attention will do a world of difference to the longevity of the vehicle. A device such as this will give the owner a false sense of security, allow them to become lazy, and get them really pissed when five years down the road they come to some sort of vague realisation that maybe it did not work as well as advertised. > I'll scold Dirk (of RN) tonight about the vagueness of whoever you > spoke to and find a little bit more about the damn thing... I'm protecting the guilty. I know who I talked to and am not that surprised that they didn't know much about this. They probably should, especially if a potential buyer starts asking all sorts of questions. I asked becuase I was familiar with them and was a bit surprised to see it for sale. The little ad makes all sorts of promises. Promises that, to my reading and talking with many people, just are not borne out by experience. As above, in theory it should work. Reality, as with so many things is slightly different. If the gadget in question is actually an "active" system, why does the ad mislead the reader with comparisons with passive systems as found on ships and pipelines? If it is passive (and I doubt it actually) how does it deal with the electrical discontinuities found within a Land Rover? If RN wants to supply parts that JC Whitless supplies, have them offer the propane heater for the winter. Now that sounds very interesting, especially when it hits -40 here and there isn't an electrical plug to be seen (probably buried under fifty thousand tons of snow and ice). That is useful. (BTW, speaking of winter, the 2.25l block heater that RN told me last fall was NLA can be purchased up here at Canadian Tire) RN makes a big deal about the genuine parts they supply, and about the quality of service they provide. Apart from discussion here and elsewhere on actual prices, they have been an excellent supplier. They should be more careful when it comes to gadgets like this, especially if someone can vaguely remember some bits from a high school e & m or chemistry cousre and some practical experince at what a typical frame (read circuit) looks like. When I think of problems I, and others, have had just because, something like, the starter wasn't grounding properly and then look at something that requires an ideal electrical circuit, you have to wonder about the gadget. RN can sell the thing, it really doesn't affect me, nor do I have any say, but people reading this advert in the latest flyer should have an idea what it is all about. It is not a solution as advertised. If it was, it would be a lot more popular as spoken about. For $140 Cdn, a brush attachemnt for the hose and a good oil job will be a fear better investment and a lot cheaper. Rgds, Dixon PS. Am still curious if they differentiate between positive and negative earthed vehicles. PPS. How did they test it out? Not an easy test to do. The vehicles would have to be very comparable, drive under almost identical conditions and then wait quite a while to see how the results turned out. -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Ottawa Valley Land Rovers / FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 07:56:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Land Rover Poster > If anyone is interested, I saw a poster you can order from (B.F. Goodrich > ?) with a giant purple duotone of a Land Rover Def. 90. The poster is $7.50 > and you can order at 1-800-677-3322. Standard disclaimer here. I've seen this poster too. I can't remember the context, but I *do* remember thinking "God, this is TACKY" As I remember, everything was purple except the tyres :-) BTW, it was the US spec '90. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. #======================================================================# Land Rover: A work-horse that was meant to survive the charge of an adult bull rhino and be field-stripped in the jungle with essentially a screwdriver and a crescent wrench. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940818 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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