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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: This Oil Burning Thing
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 08:57:40 UNDEFINED

>be a small(sic) American diesel which could be used.Is this so? If so,
>why?Is it because petrol is so cheap in the states that there is no
>incentive to produce such a thing?Or is diesel fuel relatively expensive?

In my experience, of my visits, teh fuel is so much cheaper than eUROPE, AND 
THE INCOMES FOR A PARTICULAR JOB ABOUT TWICE AS GREAT IN REAL TERMS AS FOR THE 
EQUIVALENT bRIT, THAT FULE COSTS AR(bugger this terminal!!!)e simply not a 
consideration for private motorists. I could run a Toyota 1 tonne pickup in 
the States for the same as it cost me to run a CG125 motorbike in teh UK!!!

So who cares about getting more mpg from a deisel? These guys are completely 
happy with 15mpg from a car that would bankrupt us!

Fuel costs are so trivial as not to be a concern.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: RE: Galvanized frame info
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:04:18 UNDEFINED

>I will try using the oil coating method this winter.  If it
>prevents rust I will stick with it.  If not next summer I will try
>to arrange for a frame-over with a new galvanized frame.

Dont DONT _DONT_ use old engine oil - yes I have seen folk do this. Lots of 
folk!!!!!!!!!!!

Old gearox oil is fine. Waxoyl is better.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Frame Lore
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:06:04 UNDEFINED

>Does anybody know of a mail order supplier for Waxoyl. I've never seen it
>down here in TX or NM.

Ask on rec.motorcycles. This was discussed a few months ago, adn folk had 
addresses for suppliers in the Third World^J^JUnited States.

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Subject: Re: Chassis numbering scheme
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:11:29 +0100 (BST)
From: Richard Jones <rich@amethyst.apricot.co.uk>

Kjartan writes:
> Hi, rover buffs. I was wondering what information is compiled into
> the Range Rover chassis and engine identification numbers.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Kjartan Bergsson
> kjartan@ejs.is

Hi,

I had hoped someone else would have pxicked this one up, but not so
far, so here goes.

Up to October 79 the VIN number prefix's looked like this:

355         	Manual, home RH stg, 2 door, pre Oct 1979, petrol           
356         	Manual, export RH stg, pre Oct 79 model, petrol             
358         	Manual, export LH stg detoxed, 2 door, pre Oct 79, petrol   

Between October 79 and the introduction of the 1985 model year it
looked something like this:

LHABV1AA    	Manual, RH stg, 2 door, post Oct 79, petrol                 
LHABV2AA    	Presumably, LH stg, 2 door, post Oct 79, petrol
		- but not confirmed, and presumably LHAMV2AA also exisits
LHAMV1AA    	Manual, RH stg, 4 door, post Oct 79 model, petrol           

BSALLHABV1AA 	In Vogue ???                                                
SALLHABV2AA 	?                                                           
SALLHABV8AA 	?                                                           

SALLHAMV1AA 	Manual, 4 door, RH stg, post Oct 79 model, petrol           
SALLHAMV2AA 	Manual, LH stg, 4 door, post 1979 model, petrol             

SBALLHARV1AA 	Manual, RH stg, 4 door Monteverdi, post Oct 79, petrol      
		There is a LH stg Monteverdi number also - probably 2AA

SALLHAMV3AA 	Automatic, RH stg, 4 door, 1984 model, petrol               
SALLHAMV7AA 	Manual, RH stg, 4 door, 1984 model, petrol                  

>From 1985 model year onwards, all prefix's appear to be of the form:

	SALLHAxxxyAnnnnnn

	The nnnnnn component is easy, this is just a unique number and
	appears to run from 0000001 right up to whatever the latest
	vehicle was to start making its way down the line.

	The y component indicates the model year of production, sounds
	simple doesn't it - not quite.  It is a single letter,
	matching the UK registration/index number year of registration
	prefix (used to be a suffix - until they ran out of letters) -
	still with me?  Now to confuse matters further, UK vehicle
	registration years run August 1 to July 31 - Land Rover
	production years don't.  For example, the current registration
	prefix is L which indicates a 94 model year vehicle,
	unfortunately, current build Range Rovers are 95 model year
	and have been since about March, hense have vin number
	prefix of SALLHAMxxxMA even though the M prefix doesn't come
	into effect until August.

	Now for the difficult one, the xxx component - this is the one
	that identifies the build, there are lots of them, the ones I
	have come across follow:

	BV7 	Manual, RH stg, 2 door, petrol                  

	BM3 	Automatic (PI), RH stg, 2 door CSK, petrol

	MV3 	Automatic, RH stg, 4 door, petrol               
	MV4 	Automatic, LH stg, 4 door, petrol               
	MV7 	Manual, RH stg, 4 door, petrol

	ML3 	Automatic (PI), home RH stg, 4 door, petrol     
	ML7 	Manual (PI), RH stg, 4 door, petrol             

	ME7 	2.4 Manual, RH stg, 4 door, diesel              

	MN7 	2.5 manual, RH stg, 4 door, diesel

	MF7 	Manual, RH stg, 4 door, Tdi diesel
	MF3 	Automatic, RH stg, 4 door, Tdi diesel

For a definative list you need to refer to the Parts Catalogue for the
era of vehicle you are interested in.  Same goes for the engine
numbers, though they appear to have been consistently identifed by the
first three characters in the number.

I hope this goes part way to answering your questions

Regards

	Rich

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 08:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Side Slopes

The only thing I'll add to Craig's note is that when I rolled the 109, it
was not the slope itself that did it,it was the 1000 lbs of gear in the
back that slid on the floor,hitting the rt. wheel box that sent me over..
I would say it was over maybe 40+ degrees....not a sctatch on me....the
loose stuff was on the rear floor and I had on my seat belt....I now
secure the load and *NEVER* mix passengers and cargo...getting hit with a
rover front axle could kill.....you should see the dent in the wheel
box......  :-(

steve....
HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 14:03:15 GMT
From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan)
Subject: to Richard Jones, Chassis numbering scheme

I had problems mailing you directly so ill post to the list.
Rich,
thanks for the information. I'm still a little confused.
My RR has the number

SALLHA-BV4-B-A161682

The vehicle is a 2 door, 3speed Automatic, LH stg, petrol, airconditioning, 
the revised dashboard (revised '85 ?). Here in Iceland the Rovers are 
nicknamed "Arabians" because the rumor say's they where bougth from a shipment 
originally destined to some Arabic country 
(hence normal cooling fan + 2 electric fans. This is maybe standard for 
airconditioned Rovers from this period?).

The B in BV4 might indicate 2 door and V4 the rest.

But how do i find the build year/model year, the chassinumber states 'B' 
(indicating '84-'85?) on my registration it says model 1985, first registered
19-december-86 as a new vehicle, but according to the Hayes Reparation manual 
some of the details indicate at least 1986 model (ex. the Vouge rubber steering
damper, details of the high/lov selection lincage etc.).

One of the reson for me wanting to know the model year is that I would like to 
order some workshop manuals and they span '70-'85 and then '86 on.
On the other hand it is very interesting to try to retrace  the history of
your new (used)vehicle.

Thanks again for your time and effort.

Kjartan Bergsson
Iceland.

	

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 10:00:27 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: UNCLE!!!

> TeriAnn,
> Please, Please come back to the net. I and a few others
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Maybe Dixon and the little boys up north have learned their
> lesson.  I miss hearing from you.

I have been recieving a tonne of mail from many of you asking me not to give up 
on the list.  Well, I really appriciate the sentiment, and hadn't realized that 
my postings were that well regarded.  It does feel good to feel wanted and that 
my postings are meaningful to some, though others would just as soon that I 
lighten up and play more.

Well, please consider me back on the list and resubscribed.  I hope I won't 
regret this.

Thanks to all of you who have made my life a little brighter because of your 
E-Mails!

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 11:02:54 -0800
From: jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: Ben's travels

Hello all,

I sent Benjamin Smith (now graduated from Cal Tech) an email while he was
detained, fixing his head, offering a place to eat and sleep on his trip to
Seattle.  He called yesterday and I was able to follow through on my offer.

After his drive up from So. Cal., through the central valley in the summer
heat, we cooled off at the campus pool. In the parking lot, Ben casually
reinserted the drivers side window and door frame, shut the door and locked
the handle. As dinner time appoached, we proceeded to my house; he drove
his very heavily loaded rover and my son and I rode our bikes (bikes are
the mode of transportation here in Davis). 

Because a friend had given me a big hunk of moose that I had marinated all
day, we had barbequed moose with pasta and sauteed veggies.  Ben is rather
tall (6-4) and had seconds of the moose so either he was really hungry or
it was good.  I'll eat just about anything and like it so people don't
really trust me when I say, deer, elk or moose is good and not gamey.

I was able to look at Bens vehicle somewhat;  most was obscurred by the
luggage.  The rear area and front passenger seat as well as the roof rack
were loaded.  His rear springs were pretty much flat and his head lights
would be pointing up in the dark. We of course talked rover things for a
while and then moved onto computers and the net.  He was able to respond
(from my home computer)to the post advertising a trailer for sale in
Seattle and I hope for the sake of his rover that it works out.  A properly
loaded trailer would take a load off his vehicle.

Anyway, he left Davis this morning, continuing up I-5.  He hasn't called me
which means he should be past Redding by now, on his way to Oregon, then
Seattle. I hope he had an enjoyable time, I know that I enjoyed talking to
him, plus I opened his eyes to Guinness Stout from aluminum cans.  Very
similar to the real draft stuff.

John Hess, PhD                    Phone me 916 752 8420
Dept of Human Anatomy             FAX me 916 752 8520
University of Calif               Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu
Davis, CA                         or leave me alone, your choice.

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Date: 30 Jun 94 15:08:41 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: re: Howdy all- ; Perkins

  >About the Perkins, I could be all wrong on this but...
  >
  >I seem to recal hearing that the block for the Perkins was the same as 
  >the Rover diesel.  I think they are a fairly popular marine engine so it 
  >is likely that parts, tech data, and service are commonly available.

Uh-uh, not true. I had a 4-cyl. Perkins running in my Landy for a while,
and the thing doesn't even remotely look like a Rover diesel.
I'll agree on the availability of parts, but that doesn't mean they come
cheap!

Cheers,

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen

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Date: 30 Jun 94 15:08:49 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Howdy all- ; Perkins

... and howdy to you!

 >A friend of mine in Northern California has what he thinks is a 
 >1956 series I SWB (sitting in the garage).
 >  It has a Perkins diesel in it??  Did Land
 >Rover put these in or is it an after market jobber?
 >Anyway, the aluminum head on the motor has corrosion damage
 >and blows thick clouds of blue smoke.  Is it possible to find
 >parts for these motors (i.e. head); I know Perkins is a big company.
 > Or would it be more economical to just pop in another Rover engine
 > (diesel or petrol)?  

"Why, one of my best engines was a Perkins..."
No, seriously: I had a used 4-cyl. Perkins in my 1973 109" Station for
a while after kicking out the old gas-guzzling six-cylinder. BTW,
Land Rover themselves _never_ fitted Perkins, but at least in England
it was a favourite and cheap replacement because millions of them (almost)
were and still are running in the old London Taxis.

First the Perkins' pro's:
 - it's got *loads* of torque
 - they're super-economical.

The con's:
 - it's a lame duck
 - the vibrations can shake the doors off the hinges
 - they're smelly
 - to start it at low temperatures you need a mega-mega-power-pak-battery
 - at speeds beyond 40 mph you & your passengers need ear protection gear

So, when mine blew a piston I was happy to have a pretext to throw it
back on the scrap heap where it came from and fit a regular Rover
2.25l 4-cyl. petrol.

I'd advise your friend to do likewise.

Cheers,

Stefan R. Jacob  <100043.2400@CompuServe.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden, Germany

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From: "Rostykus, John" <john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM>
Subject: RE: Howdy all- ; Perkins
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 13:54:00 PDT

I thought I'd add my Perkins experience to this discussion.  While it's not 
the Perkins model in this thread of discussion (from the Series I w/corroded 
head, etc.), its just to show that Perkins engines come in other flavors...

I have a 'high-revving' Perkins in my 1979 Rangey.  It's a 4.182 turbo. 
 This is a very different engine than the older style 'lugging' behemoths 
that are so 'easy to find/cheap' in England.  I bought mine new in the US 
and am *very* happy with the conversion.  I understand this engine is also a 
great conversion for a 109".

>First the Perkins' pro's:
> - it's got *loads* of torque
 >- they're super-economical.

I'm getting 20-25 mpg in town and 25-30 mpg on the freeway.
Also, parts are very available in the US, unlike many of the Japanese 
diesels that are readily available in England.

>The con's:
> - it's a lame duck
Comfortable 80 mph cruising w/O-drive.

> - the vibrations can shake the doors off the hinges
Generally smooth, but idle does rattle more than the old V-8.

> - they're smelly
The exhaust is clear (this has a lot to do with the engine's age...)

> - to start it at low temperatures you need a mega-mega-power-pak-battery
I haven't been colder than about 20F, and that was not a problem.

> - at speeds beyond 40 mph you & your passengers need ear protection gear
Only if the stereo's cranked...

John Rostykus
john@data-io.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 15:38:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Frame Lore

I have always used an engine hoist to remove my transmissions, but my
friend uses a musch simpler set up.  He uses a piece of steel pipe resting
on the inside gutters over the doors.  The seem strong enough to support
the transmission.  He uses a come-along to lift the transmission using
this steel pipe, and he has a wheel for sliding it left and right.  He
runs a one man shop and this is the only way he says he can do
transmission jobs alone.  He can move the transmission back and forth as
well when he wants to do a clutch job.  Dave VE4PN

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