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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:21:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: LROVER@u.washington.edu
Subject: message sent

To the Roverite who sent me mail asking about saleability of LR here
in Seattle, please send to me again. I've accidentally deleted it...
sorry...
Sincerely
LROVER@MAX.WASHINGTON.EDU

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From: thefrosh@sloth.ugcs.caltech.edu (Eric Hill)
Subject: Ben, Ottowa, and Graduation
Date: 16 Jun 1994 09:36:52 GMT

Hello, Ben asked me to post this here so that you all won't prematurely
assume that he's dead and clamor to divide up his parts or anything like 
that.  At any rate,  Ben sends his regards, and regretfully states that
he will not be attending Dixon's birthday get together in Ottowa.  It's a 
long story, and I'm bored, so I'll give you the long version....

Snag #1.

Well, you all probably know that he just graduated from Tech, just under the
wire, but that's probably the way that he wanted it.  Anyway, his parents,
sister, and Grammy flew out from Jersey to see Ben off into the rest of his
life.  Graduation was OK.  Just like every other graduation that has ever
happened, Ben was even a good boy this time.  Mom and Dad were happy and proud,
but unfortunately it seemed that Dad's doctors original advice was right.  Ben's
Dad, being in his fifties, has been experiencing the normal shortening of the
eyeball that comes with age, except that he is already extremely near sighted.
Unfortunately for him, this means that his eyball became too M&M shaped for his
retina, which already had a tear in it that his doctor in Jersey had been 
watching.  Well, as fate would have it, after the cerimonies, Dad call the
doctor at home to describe his new symptoms-- a large translucent bubble that
is obscuring about half of his vision.  The doctor, realizing that this is 
probably *bad* says that he should go to the hospital, now.  So, mom and dad
are off to UCLA, leaving Ben behind to wrap up stuff so that he can leave 
before noon, the next morning (last Saturday).  

Later that evening, about 8:00PM, there is a knock on my door (I living in 
Blacker Hovse with him, I'm sure that he has frothed about it at you all).
Ben walks in carrying a giant bag of gummy bears asks me if I can give him a 
ride to a hospital on the UCLA campus.  It seems that his Dad's diagnosis
has gotten progressively worse over the course of the afternoon.  The 
resident who mapped his retinas gave a 10 percent chance of him regaining
full vision in both eyes.  Certinly not the sort of thing that you want to 
hear a doctor saying about your best friend's dad....  

The drive to the hospital was long and rather uneventful, as always trying to
park at UCLA was no fun, but listening to Ben's mom while his dad was in surgery
was even worse.  The first sign of hope was the hospital itself, the Jules
Stein Eye Institute, a rather impressive five story research hospital
devoted to eye research and medicine.  When we got there, there was not much we
could do, Dr. Smith (as all the nurses refered to him) was already in surgery.
As it was told to me, the resident discovered a tear in his good eye as well,
so both would go under the knife.  Still, things could have been worse, Dad 
had a meeting in New Mexico a few days later, and there is nothing comparable
to the vastness of this UCLA building there.  The estimated surgery time was
about 2 1/2 hours, we had gotten there about twenty minutes into it, so rather
than wait around to say hi, a came home.  About one thirty, Ben came back to
the hovse, and relayed what the doctor had told he and Mom after surgery,  that
his personal success rate for this operation is 95%, but some wierd bleeding in
Dad's case took this down to 75%.  He would miss the meeting, but probably 
keep the vision, Yeah!

Snag #2

Luckily for Ben, he has relatives in Orange county, so Dad is staying there, 
but his departure was delayed by a day or two, to make up for the time that he 
lost in packing.  Well, it seems that Ben under-estimated that amount of junk 
that he had in his room.  So, getting his junk together took a day or two longer
than he had expected.   Looking at the pile of stuff that he had, I wonder how
he crammed it all into that little 88" thing.  He did it, though, so on to

Snag #3

This is the other doozy.  While checking the normal stuff under the hood,  
preparing to drive to his aunt Karen's house across the Orange Curtain, Ben
noticed that plug #1 was carbon fouled, #2 less so, and #3 and #4 looked good.
Curious, he decided to check the compression, upon double checking the 
compression, he concluded 50lb for #1, 110lb for #2, ~150lb for #3, #4.  Not a
good sign.  The only problem is that the car was already mostly loaded, and 
running surprisingly well for 2 1/2 cylinders.  So, since his aunt is only about
60 miles away, he decided to drive it down there, and work on it there, rather
than at Tech, which had already booted him into the street.  

Well, I got a call from him this afternoon asking me to write this.  He said 
that the exhaust valve holder (for lack of a better word) had become rather
loose and the valve action was sloppy, so the vavles and seats were all bent to
hell.  Unfortunately, living in the states, Rover parts are not particularly 
common.  British Pacific in Burbank, which is supposed to have better stock now,
said that they might get the vavle seats on their next shippment, in two weeks.
Rovers North? (in Vermont)  was fresh out, too, although Friday is when they
will be getting them.  All this means that Ben's broken toy won't have the
parts to be whole again until at least Saturday, more likely Monday or Tuesday.
 
So, that's why Ben won't be anywhere near Ontario this weekend.  If anyone
wants to reach him, you'll have to use a (gasp) phone.  Ben is going through
withdrawl, no net in a week, like quitting heroin without the methadone.  If 
anyone cares, his Aunt Karen's number is:

(714)493-4307		            Karen & bobber

By the way, happy birthday, Dixon.  Who old are you?

Thanks for listening,
Eric Hill
thefrosh@ugcs.caltech.edu
(but that's a different story....)

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 09:28:26 -0600
From: Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
Subject: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

Here's an update on my quest to find and import (from the UK) a  
pre-1968 Series IIa 109" Station Wagon to the US.

I've contacted 3 dealers on the list that Mike Rooth kindly posted  
from LRO.  Here are the results:

Land Rover Centre
------------------
A total wash-out.  I sent a fax and received no answer, so after two  
weeks I called and was told that 109"'s were so rare in England that  
I was wasting my time looking for them.  Still, I asked if they would  
be willing to contact me if they came across one and was basically  
told that now I was wasting their time.

Keith Gott
-----------
I faxed Keith Gott a brief description of what I was looking for and  
received the following in return:

"Thank you for your Fax regarding a IIA 109 Station Wagon.  We do  
source this type of vehicle for customers in America and can supply a  
vehicle either in "as is" condition or fully refurbished.  Price for  
"as is" between L1,500 and L2,500.  Fully serviced and checked over  
add another L500.  A fully rebuilt/reconditioned one is approx.  
L6,500/L7,000.

"Hope this information is of help.  The transport cost to East Coast  
of USA is approx. L1000."

This was much better than the L11,250 quote I had received earlier  
from Warwick 4x4 for their Pantywaist Uber-Rover.  I sent off another  
fax asking for details as far as availability, delivery time, a  
definition of "fully serviced and checked," etc.  I also asked about  
his L1,000 quote for shipping, since Sandy Grice had mentioned that a  
friend had Rovers shipped often to the US for about L500.

I didn't hear from him for a few weeks, so I called.  He apologized  
for not getting back sooner.  He explained that once I gave him a  
description of the vehicle I was looking for he would go about trying  
to find one for me.  He said that finding a 109" would certainly not  
be as easy as finding an 88", but that it was possible and that he  
does it all the time.  He also said that for L2,500 he should be able  
to find a pretty decent vehicle.

I asked about the possibility of having a new galvanised frame  
installed before having it shipped, but he stated that as long as I  
was having that done I should also have the springs, shocks and the  
like also done which would add enough to the cost to make it more  
cost effective to simply have the whole thing reconditioned.

He stated that the L1,000 shipping quote was indeed reasonable and  
that the L500 quote that I'd seen was probably unrealistic and didn't  
include such things as transport within England, etc.

I asked him what I'd need to do to get the ball rolling and was told  
that I would just need to send a L250 deposit and give him the word.

If I don't go with Warwick's deal, this may be my best option.  But  
does anyone have any experience with Keith or heard any comments  
about his operation?

Warwick 4x4
------------
As I posted previously, Warwick 4x4 had originally given me a quote  
for their Urban-Rover, which is a completely refurbished and  
poshed-up 109" Station Wagon.  But at L11,250 it was way out of my  
realm of financial possibility.

I sent a follow-up fax a few days ago inquiring into other, less  
expensive possibilities and followed that up with a phone call  
yesterday afternoon.  I spoke with Graham Greensall, Warwick 4x4's  
Director and had a very pleasant phone call.  He said that he would  
fax me another quote on a less extensively refurbished and altered  
vehicle, but one that still had enough work done on it that Warwick  
would feel comfortable putting their name on it.  (Namely, a new  
galvanised chassis, etc.)

I received the new quote this morning, and here's the scoop:

Land Rover Series II/IIa 109" 12 seat Station Wagon
Manufactured prior to 1968
2286cc Petrol engine suitable for unleaded fuel
Four speed gearbox with selectable four wheel drive
Partial refurbishment to include vehicle strip-down and rebuild on  
new galvanised chassis with new cupro nickel brake pipes, repair of  
bulkhead, and refurbishment or replacement as required of axles,  
brake system, springs shock absorbers, electrical loom, seatbox and  
rear tub.  All new interior with sound-proofing, carpets, door trims  
and cloth trim seats.

  Total Cost to FB UK Port............L6,750
  

Optional Items:
  Reconditioned 2286cc Petrol engine....L625
  Reconditioned Rover gearbox...........L495
  New panels and complete repaint.....L1,200
  

If either the engine or gearbox options where chosen they would  
install a new clutch without additional cost.

Well, at $10,015.65US this deal is not significantly better than the  
first.  Add to that the $1,500 shipping and I'm $4,500 over my  
budget.  But, sheesh, it looks like a great vehicle once everything  
is done.  I'm interested in staying as "stock" as possible, so I  
still think I could do without the soundproofing and carpet, but  
otherwise it looks like it would be a dandy.

Conclusions
------------
So, the question is, do I go with an "as-is" Rover from Keith Gott  
and remain within my budget, or do I scrape up the extra cash and  
have Warwick 4x4 build me a dream car?  I'm still not sure.  I don't  
know whether I can afford to go with Warwick, but while Warwick seems  
to be a well-respected outfit, Keith Gott is (so far) an unknown  
quantity.

And are there any other firms in the UK that I should contact?  Have  
I missed any other avenues?

I would welcome any comments, criticism, etc.

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From: U91F02@MANADON-ENGINEERING-COLLEGE.AC.UK
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 18:28 BST
Subject: Hello

Hi,
	Cheers to everybody who saw my posting on british-cars and told me 
about this list. I thought I'd post and say hi to everybody on the list.

	I've had my 1976 series III Lightweight "Bertha" for just over 12 
months now and i'm hooked! Owning a landy really is the fastest way to 
learn about motor mechanics. I jumped staight in at the deep end as my 
first major job was to change the piston rings and fit a Turner Engineering 
Unleaded Cylinder Head. I was amazed how simple Landys are to work on.

	As i've got used to the adaptable nature of the Landy I've become 
more adventurous. My last job was fitting an electric cooling fan. I diddnt 
want to pay #80.00 for a Kenlowe jobby so a quick trip to the local scrap 
yard had me kitted out with a Fiat Strada fan for #9.00. Fitting took took 
about 3 hours by the time I had made brackets. Now Bertha runs much quieter 
and a little bit warmer, therefore more efficiently. Before the temperature 
rarely got above the 74C where the thermostat opens.

	My next task is to do something about the gearbox. It keeps 
dropping out of 1st and 3rd on the overrun. I think it may be a loose 
mainshaft nut or weak detent springs. Also I have a major oil leak between 
the main and transfer box so it looks like new gasket time.

	If anyone has any tips/opinions on gearbox renovation I would be 
most grateful if you would share them with me as I am not looking forward 
to this job.

TTFN

Simon
	

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From: "thomas r. coron" <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu>
Subject: Re: Dixon's love & beer
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:51:44 EDT

   SNIP SNIP

>         new Barbour worked such wonders on the sig oth, she will come along
>         for the ride...  So, like, Nige got what it takes to handle good,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>         Dixon
>         PS, Our beer is better too...  <grin>

       Remember, we can by your beer too, probably cheaper than you
       can!! I'll get some local supermarket prices for comparison. ;-)

       Rgds,
	      Tom

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:02:20 -0500 (CDT)

Grettir Asmundarson was bold enough to point out...
>I've contacted 3 dealers on the list that Mike Rooth kindly posted  
>from LRO.  Here are the results:
none
Thanks for your update.  I have my latest "aluminum workhorse"
magazine at home -- spring 94.  It is the LROA club newsletter.
 
In that, a fellow from wales or scotland said (in a letter to the
editor) that he wanted to serve as a buyers agent for people in the
US looking for land rovers.  He could send:
 -- cars as is
 -- parts cars
 -- cars partially refirbished -- don't have a spellchecker.
 -- cars totally refirbished.

I had good intentions of writing him, but my Sig Other would
simply not allow me to go thru with the transaction, so why
waste his time.  I will get his letter and post it tomorrow.

Thanks,
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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Date: 16 Jun 94 15:23:49 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: re:Hi...; Billing

Tanti saluti Ludovico,

hey, that's a cool ascii graphic you got there of your series III! Even
the tropical roof is there.

I think there must be quite a few european Rover owners on the net, 
especially from England, but they tend to be more the silent reader - 
downloader type, collecting information but reluctant to engage into 
personal communication. Also, telephone rates throughout Europe are 
generally several times higher than in the US which accounts for the 
restrictive use of their modems by computer users on the old continent.

Sure, I know Billing. I myself won't be going there; I've already been to
the ARC (Association of Rover Clubs) International Rally at Shottle, 
Derbyshire end of may, and in mid-july I've got an appointment with a bunch
of crazy french offroad-nerds at the Ardeche. But I know for sure that our
club secretary Guenter Schiebofski (don't bite your tongue on that) will
be in Billing. You *could* go via Wiesbaden and join him from there onwards,
although I think your direct route from Milano would be via Aosta-Lyon-Paris
etc. I also must warn you that he's not pleasant company for a convoy. He's
one of the Sahara freaks and has a somewhat different notion of distances
than the usual European. He thinks nothing of getting into the car after work
and drive to Cannock (Staffordsh./England) and back in 38 hours (including 
ferry)just to get himself a spare part. His vehicle is also fitted with extra
tanks, so he'll drive through without stopping even once to refuel.
On the other hand, if you need spare parts at a good bargain, you might
want to stop by at the "Land Rover Center Rhein-Main" that he runs in
Wiesbaden. That sounds very presumptious, but it's basically just a garage
stuffed full with bits and parts from where he runs his mail order service
for Land Rovers. He's got a phantastic assortment, however, based on 12
years of hard Land Rover experience, and chances are 10:1 that he'll have
exactly what you need. The address is:

    Land Rover Center Rhein-Main
    Ludwigstr. 2, 65195 Wiesbaden
    tel: 49+ 611-372269, fax: 49+ 611-304136

Ok, enough advertisement (he doesn't pay me for it, believe me!), back to 
Billing: Have you got the registration form from LRO magazine?
It's advisable to register and pay in advance as the event is always
heavily frequented and the offroad events usually totally booked out if
you register on arrival. It's different from the ARC Rally in that it's
a lot more commercialized and heavily sponsored, and you don't have any of
the hair-raising off-road speed competitions like at the rally. But it's
great fun for the whole family, and there's loads of useful (and useless)
stuff to buy for Land Rovers, so be sure to bring along sufficient amounts
of euro-cheques. If you want to meet Guenter and his friends in Billing,
... have you seen the english TV-series "Catweazle"? Well, that's exactly
how he looks. His car is a very conspicuous self-styled Defender 130 cab
truck in Eastnor green with a huge shiny aluminium box in the back that
makes it look like an oversized milk van (though some who know how it looks
like inside refer to it as a pig rig). His number plate is WI-PC 844 
(I think).

Lets stay in touch anyway, we're bound to bump into each other at one of
the Rover events (not with the Rovers, I hope); after all, Europe isn't 
_that_ big.

So long, and have fun in Billing!

stefan  <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Wiesbaden, Germany

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Canadian Brew
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 15:33:47 EDT

> >         Dixon
> >         PS, Our beer is better too...  <grin>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>        Rgds,
> 	      Tom
ahhh, but they send us the watered-down stuff.  A US bought Brador or
Extra Stout won't do to you what a *real* Canadian one will.  Take it
from me, I've hurt myself in Canada before.

BUT, as for this "Our beer is better" stuff, this is *now* a debatable
subject.  Perhaps we don't export our really good stuff (eg some versions
of sierra nevada, anchor steams, catamount, or even slam adams for that
matter) that has only come to market over the past five years or so
(the widely distributed market at least).  In the days of bud, michelob,
rainer, and rolling rock you won hands down, but now.......sorry, you
lose.

gulp,
rd/nigel (almost together.....rainstorm forced me in in the midst of
reassembly the other night).

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Brew

Russell says;
 
BUT, as for this "Our beer is better" stuff, this is *now* a debatable
subject. 

So the question is;         "IS CANADIAN BEER BETTER?"

Inquiring beer drinkers minds, have a right to know!!!!

I'M about due for a change of fluid myself.

Forever curious
Jon

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 19:29:52 EDT
Subject: Downeast 6

                         Downeast 6
--------------------------------------------------------
      Saturday, July 2 & Sunday, July 3
      Owl's Head Transportation Museum
      Owl's Head Maine
--------------------------------------------------------
                         Saturday, July 2-

BBQ starts at noon
$5.00 in advance plus bring something to share

Location:  Fire road 67 on Rt. 235 between Rt. 105 & Rts. 52/173

Directions: Take 105 from downtown Camden and Rt. 1,
Drive 5+ miles to junction of 235
turn right,
1/2+ mile to fire road 67 on right
Rover parked at entrance.
--------------------------------------------------------
                         Saturday Night

Camping at the 
Old Massachusetts Homestead Campground
1-207-789-5135
Call for reservations
--------------------------------------------------------
                         Sunday, July 4

Owl's Head Transportation Museum
Owl's Head Maine
9AM till 4ish

100 Rovers expected Series I, II, IIa, III, 90, 110, RR & Disco. Military &
Civil
plus Airshow, Transportation Museum
and Rovers North Winching Demo
Land Rover North America Vehicle Display
No entry fee if you arrive in a Rover
All Participants will recieve a complimentary copy of Land Rover World 
magazine & A 20% off coupon for subscription.

Rt. 1 to Rockland, Maine to Jct. 73
Rt. 73 S
2+ Miles to Museum
--------------------------------------------------------
More Info & BBQ Tickets.
Myles Murphy
RR2
Box 11
Lincolnville, ME 04849
207-789-5303

or e-mail me:       Spenny@aol.com
--------------------------------------------------------
Pass this info on to a friend!
--------------------------------------------------------
Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Date: 16 Jun 94 17:38:06 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Lumenition

 >What all does this system do? It basically does away with points and
 >condensors right - ie the low voltage end of things. The high tension side
 >remains the same - yes?? 

Precisely.-

 >What happens if this system failed - how hard
 >would it be to put a set of points and condensor in to get the car running
 >again.

Well, Lumenitions do occasionally fail - rarely, though - under extreme 
thermic conditions (desert!). My (tested) advice: 

Get yourself a second inner base plate from a scrap distributor - make sure
it's the exact same manufacture, compare it with the one inside your own 
distr. Now, *before* you start installing the Lumenition, get a new set of
contact points plus condensor, install, and for a last time set the timing 
and tune the engine. Then remove the base plate together with the correctly 
set points and condensor on it (if you have a model with the condensor 
inside the distr., if not leave the condensor attached to the distr.), 
wrap it up nicely, preferably in wax paper to prevent rusting, and stow it 
dry and accessible inside the car somewhere. Fit the 'blank' scrap base 
plate into your distributor, and on that you install the Lumenition. 
Should the Lumenition konk out, all you have to do is remove the plate with
the defunct Lumenition, put your original plate with the pre-set contacts
back in, re-connect condensor, coil and suction pipe (in case it was 
detached), and off you go. The whole procedure shouldn't take longer than
a refueling stop. Just take care you don't drop and lose those teeny-weeny
screws that hold the base plate...

BTW, if the ignition fails in a car fitted with Lumention you shouldn't
*immediately* conclude that it's the Lumention; it could just as well be
a burnt-out coil or a plain loose wire behind the dashboard. Do some extra
checking before you tear apart the Lumeniton for nothing.

Cheers,

Stefan  <100043.2400@compuserve.com>

PS: Pity I can't access the RoverWeb. On which net is it, or is it a net
of its own, or a mailbox or something?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:45:31 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Canadian Brew

In message <Ai0=3g_00iUzA5EYgb@andrew.cmu.edu> Jon Humphrey writes:
> Russell says;
> BUT, as for this "Our beer is better" stuff, this is *now* a debatable
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Forever curious
> Jon

Guys,
Not that I have anything against having fun & such but my mailer gets enough 
traffic with the british car list without bubbling over with non-Land Rover 
related topics such as whose beer is better and who has a new girl friend and 
who wants which toy & such.  

It seems like a lot of the Land Rover group traffic these days is non Land Rover
related banter.  Any chance someone could start an alternate mail list for non 
land rover related banter?  People seem to need and enjoy it and I think it 
should be supported.  i just am not keen in seeing it in my mbox.

The party pooper,

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 19:37:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Hello

In regards to the gear box overhaul.  It is not such a bad job.  If you
only rebuild the main gearbox it is literaly a snap.  I just replaced the
bearings and all the seals and it took about one hour after getting the
thing out.  The bearings are standard so just pull them out and take them
to any bearing shop and they will supply you with what you want.  I think
I paid about $100 Canadian for all bearings.  I bought the gaskets etc
from ABP.  It makes a big difference.  By the way, I put Slick 50 in the
box after rebuilding and I was amazed at how quiet the transmission
became.  I now use it in the diffs as well.  Give it a try, you will find
it is not a hard job at all if you are at all mechanical, and who would
drive a Land Rover if you wern't Hi HI.  Cheers Dave VE4PN

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Subject: Re: Canadian Brew
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: 	Thu, 16 Jun 1994 18:22:33 -0400

Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> Russell says;
> BUT, as for this "Our beer is better" stuff, this is *now* a debatable
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Forever curious
> Jon

Depends on your criteria.  Dixon seems to put more emphasis on taste, so 
he likes microbrewery stuff with no preservatives.  They tend to cost 
more.  He also likes his beer cold. Eweeh!  I on the other hand like more 
blast for the buck.  Warm Wildcat at 6.1%.  I have also been known to try 
the strong stuff, like Maudite, Fins Du Monde, Carnival.  I guess it 
debends what you like

Dale

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Canadian Brew
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: 	Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:12:36 -0400

"Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> writes:

> > >         PS, Our beer is better too...  <grin>
> >        Remember, we can by your beer too, probably cheaper than you
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Extra Stout won't do to you what a *real* Canadian one will.  Take it
> from me, I've hurt myself in Canada before.

        'tis your brewing laws that keep you in sub-standard beer.  Hmmm,
        according to John you have wimpy mud.  You admit to wimpy beer.  I
        wonder if a correlation can be drawn to see where the Aussies fit
        in... :-)  BTW, we tend to get into brewing the stuff ourselves.
        You should see the price drop...

> gulp,
> rd/nigel (almost together.....rainstorm forced me in in the midst of
> reassembly the other night).

        Still waffling eh... :-)

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: 17 Jun 1994 13:59:02 +1200
From: DAVID DEAN <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

>Date sent:      16 Jun 1994 09:28:26 -0600
>From:           Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
>Subject:        Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
>To:             lro@transfer.stratus.com

>And are there any other firms in the UK that I should contact?  Have  
>I missed any other avenues?

Innocent Question:  Why are you only looking at used Landrovers from the 
UK?

In NZ:
1) We don't have the rust problems found in the UK.

2) Pre-1968 Landys have little or no collector value (because they're 
everywhere)  I sold my beautiful 1956 Series 1 SWB for NZ$2250 (US$1125).

3) Cars are well maintained here and often in better shape unrestored than 
their "restored" counterparts elsewhere.

4) You could probably afford to fly to NZ, buy a Landy, drive it around 
for a month, and ship it back for less than the prices you were quoted.

Just a thought,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: OZ Brew
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:31:28 +0930 (CST)

Dixon writes:
>         'tis your brewing laws that keep you in sub-standard beer.  Hmmm,
>         according to John you have wimpy mud.  You admit to wimpy beer.  I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>         in... :-)  BTW, we tend to get into brewing the stuff ourselves.
>         You should see the price drop...

Ok I'll bite.

Personally I like Coopers Sparkling Ale (5.9%) and Coopers Premium (6.1% ?)
Cold of course.

The Standard run of the mill beer is more like 4.8 - 5.1%.  The Infamous
Fosters Larger is 4.9%.   There is a trend towards low alcohol beers ~
2.5-2.8% partly due to drink driving laws tightening and increased taxes on
the "normal" beer.

In some localities our mud is definitely not wimpy.  During exercises last
year the army is reputed to have bogged a Unimog such that they had to wait
for the floodplain to dry out before a rescue was attempted.  Personally i
have seen the remnants of cruisers ,cruisers bogged to the roofline.  Well It
stared out as axle deep,but by the time help returned it was more like bonnet
deep. When we went by sereral months later all that could be seen was the top
of the roof.  When they say Road closed for the Wet season they really mean
it.
   
cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
  Dept. of Plant Science,    Waite Institute
  University of Adelaide,  Glen Osmond S.A. 5064
  Australia. Voice:61_8 303 7426  Fax:61_8 303 7102

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 20:33:00 MDT
From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL )
Subject: Being Ill

Hi Gang,

Well just heard from a Rover friend in Bozeman.
There is a small Rover club that is not affiliated
with anybody down in Bozeman.  Anyway one of the
members just found and bought a 57 Series I, 109
for, I might get sick, $500.00.  It has been
setting for 24 years and of-course all the interior
is gone and the glass was shot out years ago.  But it
is complete and straight to include a factory winch
on the front.  Plus it still had the full tool kit.

One of the guys I talked to is doing some rebuilding for
others and is working on five Rovers of various years
with all vehicles already spoken for.

Roy - Rover in the Rockies - 

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From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: 	Thu, 16 Jun 1994 22:13:21 -0400

Howdy folks, got your bear protection ready for the weekend yet? That 
Almonte bear is a mean sob1

was in my favourite hobby shop today, one of the staffers, knows andy and 
I are lr freaks and keeps an eye open.

He passed me a copy of a fax showing NEW MODEL RELEASES for '94

AOSHIMA are coming out with a "Land Rover Range Rover European styling w/ 
roof rack" in 1:24 scale around about now. Will retail for aprox 39.95 
USD but may be cheaper here in good old Canada, you know the place, where 
the good beer comes from!

Will give you more later,

rgds

robin craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 22:40:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Being Ill

Re low priced Rovers.  I shouldn't let you in on the prices up here in
Canada, ut I paid $500 for a 1970 late IIA with the rod through the block
but everything else perfect.  The interior was and is black leather and
like new.  We still have this kind of deal.  I would check the pot ash
mines in Saskatchewan.  They bought a whole raft of them in the 60s to use
underground.  The were white with no doors and window frames but otherwise
full Land Rovers.  All I saw were Diesel with a scrubber on the exhaust. 
It looked like a barrel on its side on the front bumper.  They go for the
price quoted and of course will have no real miles on them but lots of
hard work. Cheers Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 23:07:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

Re where to get a Land Rover
I would suggest that club members check out Paul's Safari Service at
Niagara Falls Ontario for a reconditioned vehicle.  I visited him last
summer and I was impressed with his workmanship and the selection he had
on hand.  He is one place I have seen a forward control model in North
America.  He brings them in in containers and then rebuilds them from the
ground up.  He has a small production line, and when I was there he had
about three on the buid line.  The vehicles were stripped right to the
rolling chassis and rebuilt.  He had a whole yard of X MOT and DND
vehicles from the UK in at the time.  He was very friendly and enjoyed a
chat.  I was empressed enough to recommend him to my brother who will be
buying a 109 to launch and retrieve his boat on Lake Huron.  Ronald Mowry
at P.O. Box 1023 West Lebanon Maine 04027 once advertised 9 Land Rovers
which the British left in Canada.  They were all at Calgary Alberta and
ranged from $4,250 for a 1979 88 lightweight to $7000 for a 1983 109 2
door.  maybe there are some left or maybe he has an in with Crown Assets
Desposal in Canada for used rigs.  It is worth a try.  Not that I am
trying to limit our supply of rigs up here, but I have never understood
why Americans pay so much for their units when the Canadian dollar is so
low in compariison to the U.S. one and for maybe a 4 day trip and some
looking you could do real well.  On the West Coast is UK Truck and
Traction at Vancouver and Octopus Parts Phone 1-604-925-1514 in West
Vancouver who say they sell ser. I II and III units as is or refurbished. 
I haven't bought from them, because I have found 8 Land Rovers here, and
how many Land Rovers can one have in a lifetime Hi Hi.  I hope this helps.
Dave VE4PN

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Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 14:37:03 NZT
From: Hugh Grierson <hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz>

David L Dean wrote:
> 4) You could probably afford to fly to NZ, buy a Landy, drive it around 
> for a month, and ship it back for less than the prices you were quoted.

David may be onto something here.  If I remember I'll take a look
into the classifieds in the weekend and post some current prices,
from this end of the country.  David might be persuaded to do the
same from his end.

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Date: 17 Jun 1994 17:43:53 +1200
From: DAVID DEAN <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

>From:           Hugh Grierson <hugh@nezsdc.fujitsu.co.nz>
>Subject:        Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>from this end of the country.  David might be persuaded to do the
>same from his end.
No problem.  I'll put something together for Monday.

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 19:14 BST-1
From: Martin Stoneham <mstoneham@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Subject: Visiting England

Any reader wanting news about Land Rover activities in south east England 
is welcome to contact me at mstoneham@cix.compulink.co.uk for information.

I own a County 90 V8 and regularly off road it with the Southern Rover 
Owners Club.  My home is near Brands Hatch Motor Racing Circuit.

Regards
Martin Stoneham

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