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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 00:39:49 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: US Nat'l Rally

Is anyone going to the National Rally thing in Colorado in August?  I'm 
hoping to go on the way back from a trip around western Canada.  

My girlfriend and I were there two years ago when the Defender 110 was 
introduced.  It was pretty cool.  Got to meet a lot of neat people.

Uncle Roger

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:43:36 UNDEFINED

>Grettir Asmundarson was bold enough to point out...

Just to be both ignorant and irrelevant, I thought women had .........sdottir 
endings? Or is that just in Iceland?

Or am I completely wrong again :(

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From: "Keith Coman" <BAKC@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Fri, 17 Jun 1994 07:59:07 GMT+0200
Subject:       Howzit to all Landie Owners?!

Just a quickie "intro" from a new subscriber.  Keith Coman's the 
name. I have a 1958 Series 2 SWB station-wagon that I bought in '85.

On aquisition it was "running" but needed a lot of work.  Fortunately 
the engine was in excellent condition, but that was about all.  Over 
about an 18 month period I was able to strip it down and then put 
everything back together -- repairing and replacing as needed.

Mods included fitting freewheel hubs and hoicking out the rear diff
(which was pretty worn anyway) and stuffing in a Rover car diff off
of a '59 Rover 100.   The latter has a higher ratio: initial pull off
is slower but open road top end is more relaxed and petrol consumption
is improved.

This unit has an interesting history.  When originally supplied it 
was one of the few that came out very briefly with the old Series 1 F-
head engine -- subsequently however this has been replaced with the 
more usual 2.25 OHV motor.  Its first owner was the old Rhodesian Army
(now Zimbabwe) who used it as a wireless vehicle.  It was sold out of 
service in 1968 to a transport depot NCO (who ensured that the engine 
and gearbox were .... err, "updated"!).  He disposed of it privately
in Rhodesia in about 1974.  The new owner's work took him out into the
bush and as there was a war on at the time, he was able to make up an
"anti-ambush kit" comprising a mounting on the back with twin AK47's
set to fire out one on each side -- in a contact, thumping a handle 
in the cab would put these on full-auto to lay down some quick 
"suppressive".  He sold it on to the post master at a small town 
called Gwanda around '78-79.

When I got it, the licence papers were for a customs official based 
in Messina up in the far northern Transvaal of South Africa.  Anyway, 
soon after putting it back on the road I was contacted by a chap who 
was working here at Rhodes University.  We got chatting and 
surprise!, he was the bloke who had the Landie during its "AK" period!
He filled me in on the details and was also able to explain the 
unusual tow hitch (army radio trailor), its twin fuel tank system and 
the "odd" reinforcing plates in the back (AK mountings).  He was also
the one to retro-fit the "factory original" tropical roof and station
wagon cab.

This Landie is now in daily use.  Very reliable and easy to work on.

I guess that's enough waffling from me...!  Look forward to Landie 
chat!! 
Cheers,
Keith Coman
Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa.

 * Dept of Management, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa *
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 9:40:27 BST

Simon,
I'm not totally sure about this,but...Dont Lightwieghts have a
removable gearbox X-member?If so,removal should be a relative
doddle,because you dont have to dismantle the entire vehicle to
get at it.You can drop it down to the floor and pull it out.
LRW magazine is into Lightweights at present,and did a cheao and
cheerful box rebuild on a S111 109" the issue before.
Fan off a Strada....why didnt I think of that?My 2.25 diesel has
*never* got off the "cold" area of the gauge in the seven years
I've had it.Thanks for that one,mate.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:35:17 +0100
From: gnma35@mech.gla.ac.uk (Ron Thomson)
Subject: Greetings from Glasgow

Just a message to say hello from Sunny (we tell lies) Scotland.
I'd about given up hope that there were other LR victims out
there, other than the occasional poster to rec.autos.misc.   In
fact I was going to suggest we start  (w)rec(k).autos.landrover.

As readers of LROInt might know, there is a Scottish LRO club,
but there is also an informal little group who are often to be 
found horizontal (a position favoured by LR owners?) in the 
Ubiquitous Chip bar in Glasgow's west end.   There is usually a
LR or two in the car park - should you ever be travelling this way.

Just as background, I (Ron T) have a clapped out S2A LWB - 
which will be clapped in as soon as I get a cash injection. My 
buddy Al, who is piggybacking on my e-mail address until his 
own is reconnected, has a short-arse S3.   Mind you, he's won't be 
driving it for a short time, having been caught by the Strathclyde
Polis doing 135 (on a bike, not a LR) along the road to Loch 
Lomond.   Both of us became addicted to LRs at the same time 
as we learned to endure other ludicrous hardships - in the Army.

By the way, i've written to the editor of LROInt to tell that there
are some of us who like to address both ends of the technological
spectrum - ie LRs and the net - but I didn't know of this mailing
list at the time.   I'll pass on the info.

Regards all,

Ron Thomson     SSP 482 K
Alan Birkbeck     HOR 716 L

Mech Eng Dept
Glasgow Uni
Scotland.

PS       What do you call a Glaswegian in a suit?   The accused!
            How does a Glaswegian propose marriage?   "Yer WHIT?"

Dr R. Thomson

Room 202A

Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Glasgow

Ext. 4336

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From: "Ian Stuart, (Tel: 6205)" <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:24:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Greetings from Glasgow

> As readers of LROInt might know, there is a Scottish LRO club,
> but there is also an informal little group who are often to be 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Ubiquitous Chip bar in Glasgow's west end.   There is usually a
> LR or two in the car park - should you ever be travelling this way.
And I thought i was the only SLROC person on this list...

HELLO!

The next question is..... can we get Alex into the net ;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart         +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
#======================================================================#
Land Rover: A work-horse that was meant to survive the charge of an
 adult bull rhino and be field-stripped in the jungle with essentially
 a screwdriver and a crescent wrench.

**Experimental** <A HREF = "http://castor.vet.ed.ac.uk/ian.html"Ian</A>

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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 18 Jun 94 00:58:52 GMT
Subject: Gearbox Renovation

Simon asked: 

>> If anyone has any tips/opinions on gearbox renovation I would be most 
grateful if you would share them with me as I am not looking forward to this 
job. >> 

Simon, 

The gearbox renovation isn't too bad if you've got time and patience.  The 
tips I've learned that I can think of off hand are: 

Remove the unit in sections - Overdrive, transfer + Hi-Lo unit together, then 
main box.  This way you don't need a hoist (I'm 132 lbs and I could do it) and 
it makes lining up the pilot shaft a lot easier on reassembly.
 
Special tools- 19/32 socket, open end and box end wrenches, the heaviest duty 
set of snap ring pliers you can buy (for the snap ring on the output shaft in 
the transfer, and a torch - propane is OK - to heat the main box casing to 
remove the reverse idler shaft if necessary and to warm the transfer to remove 
the bearing races.  The first race (I've forgotten if it's front or back) in 
the transfer that you have to remove is difficult to get out.  I heated the 
box and tapped it out on an angle with an old screwdriver from the inside. 

I think you are in England so parts should be cheap, but when replacing the 
mainshaft rear bearing get a double sealed unit from a transmission shop, use 
some good gasket sealer around the outside, and the oil won't leak from the 
main box to the transfer again. 

The plain circlip on the front of the mainshaft is tricky, but be patient, use 
2 or 3 screwdrivers to bend it out, and you'll get it.  Don't reuse it. 

If the rear bearing race for the layshaft does not cooperate and there is no 
hole behind it, drill a new hole to allow you to drift the race out.  Be sure 
the hole is in the gasket area.  If not, the oil will leak right out.  You'll 
understand better when you look at the area. 

While you've got it out, drill and tap the top cover of the main, transfer, 
and overdrive, install small hose nipples, and plumb some heat and oil 
resistant tubing up to the firewall.  This will reduce the pressure and leaks 
as the box heats up and the amount of oil on you rear window. 

Assemble the hi-lo unit to the transfer BEFORE bolting the transfer to the 
main box. 

When replacing the pilot bushing, first try hooking the head of a nail under 
the front of the bushing in the flywheel, clamping vice grip pliers on the 
nail, then levering against the vice grips with the screwdriver.  If this gets 
you nowhere put a grinding bit on your electric twist drill and grindout one 
side of the inside of the bushing.  Don't go too far.  When you're almost 
through tap it on an angle to try to turn it with a drift or chisel (careful 
of the flywheel).  It should be loose enough at this point to pry/pull out.  
Soak the new bushing in ATF overnight before installing. 

Output shaft bearing adjustment - the manual says to wrap a cord arount the 
output shaft and pull with a scale, and using a feeler gauge between the 
casing and speedo housing.  Bull$3!+ on that!  With bearings well oiled bolt 
the speedo housing down with one of the .010 shims removed (you'll find 3 
sizes of shims in there - .015, .010, and .005.  You shouldn't have to buy 
any).  Continue to rotate the shaft while tightening.  If the shaft grabs 
before you finish tightening the bolts STOP.  Unbolt the speedo housing, add 
an .005 shim (or remove the .010 and add an .015) and try again.  If the shaft 
does not grab continue removing .005 at a time (mix and match shims to do so) 
until it grabs and STOP.  Undo everything, add .005 and replace the speedo 
housing for good (don't forget the speedo drive thing that goes inside - it's 
like a doughnut with diagonal threads on the outside.  Yes, it does have a 
name but I don't recall what it is.  Make sure it's the right way around).  I 
tried the rope around the shaft trick with the fish scale on my first rebuild 
(done 3 now) and found the value is either too low or it is too high (grabs). 

The jumping out of gear problem could be weak or stuck detent springs or it 
could be that the engagement teeth on the affected gears are worn. 

As for gears, if they look a little worn, replace 'em.  Bearings, replace 'em. 

Sorry this stuff is not in order. 

>From what you wrote I don't think you'll have any problem.  It's not brain 
surgery, believe me.  I think you'll find it very satisfying. 

Once you get it back together it may be noisier than before, but only for a 
couple of hundred miles or so once the gear teeth mate up. 

If you run into any snags feel free to write me or the net. 

Good Luck! 

Bill Maloney maloney@wings.attmail.com 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:37:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Ma says NO!

> > BUT, as for this "Our beer is better" stuff, this is *now* a debatable
> > subject.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> 408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
>                        MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

I'll drink to that!

(it ALL tastes like tea made through old sweat sox)

tea-totalin' 
steve.....
But they were Land Rover Toys........

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian Brew

Dearest TeriAnn,
    I got the message, and I'll never never do it again.
No more "Devils Advocate" for me.     No sireeeee.
No toys---No love---No Beer        Gone        all gone.
SIGH
I promise
Jon

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 10:22:40 -0400
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Ma says NO!

> It seems like a lot of Land Rover group traffic these days is non Land Rover
> related banter.  Any chance someone could start an alternate mail list for
>non
> land rover related banter?  People seem to need and enjoy it and I think it
> should be supported.  i just am not keen in seeing it in my mbox.

seconded (the banter can be fun and all, but ...)

-jory

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Denis  <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ma says NO!

ooooooooooo! it got awful quiet out there.....
OK! Rover stuff!!!!!!
When I depress the clutch (I remind it that it is only a 9"..)
I get a growling rumble as if the throw out bearing is dry...but this
beastie is a lla,and the release mech. is bathed in gear oil..(as is the
entire frame....)  Has anyone ever seen a *BAD* release bearing on a lla?
Yes the transmission is full,and the free play is correct,as is the clutch
cover..The sound is similar to the noise a factory oil cooler makes when
the oil is low....sorta like a wounded sea mamamal.....any Ideas?????
1st and reverse growl too....the teeth on the out side of 1st gear are
shot i guess....could be related?

please speak up as I'm wearing my"rover sound proofing kit"...31 Db
reduction..$0.45....cheap!!!!!

steve......

HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP"

Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu>
PO BOX 61
Erieville,NY 13061

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:40:47 +0100
From: gnma35@mech.gla.ac.uk (Ron Thomson)
Subject: non LR topics

There's no harm is chewing the fat on other matters in LRO
mailing list - provided these don't dominate and the main topic
is still LRs and the (di)stress of living with them.   But I have 
to admit that much of the traffic at present  seems to be better 
suited to rec.food.drink.beer.   Maybe it's just a phase.

Regards,

Ron.

** is 4X4 an appropriate protocol for the superhighway? ** 

Dr R. Thomson

Room 202A

Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Glasgow

Ext. 4336

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:32:13 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Downeast Rally

I've got a guest here today...Diesel Bob....seems he's getting stir crazy
laid up with a broke leg and all.  With time off, he'd like to try to make
it to the Downeast rally, but fly in by the commercial lines.  Could anyone
up there suggest the closest airport and possibily provide a ride from
there to Camden?

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:49:11 -0500
From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner)
Subject: Oil Coolers

What are the benefits of running with an oil cooler? Is this just for heavy
towing and such? If you do put in an oil cooler where does it loop out and
then back in to the old oil system. (2.25 petrol) Do you lose oil pressure
when you run an oil cooler.

Just wondering -

Greg

PS - I'm looking forward to adding picts of the LRO birthday party to the
RoverWeb.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 11:15:20 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Ma says NO!

In message <9406171421.AA15582@MIT.EDU> jory bell writes:
> > It seems like a lot of Land Rover group traffic these days is non Land 
> > Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> seconded (the banter can be fun and all, but ...)
> -jory

I have just recieved a pile of fan mail for being Mom & trying to put a damper 
on the TONNEs of non-Land Rover specific bantering.  I appriciate the support, 
but no one appointed me the group's Mom (Well maybe a lot of people have).  I'm 
just a reader & occasional poster like almost everyone else..Someone even 
mentioned that they were quietly fuming at the bantering and waiting for me to 
put a halt to it.  Please feel empowered to speak out when you think the topics 
gone far afield with null.land-rover.content for too long.  This group is an 
anarchy and we work on mutual consent and mutual respect.  If you are getting 
buried under a pile of null.land-rover.content mail, say something.  Remember 
except for the sysop everyone here is just as unimportant as everyone else.

Dixon, Any chance you or someone from your club can set up an Ottawa Land Rover 
club & friends mail list for local gossip?  I'm not trying to toss you guys out.
What you are saying is important to you and you should have a way to communicate
with each other. You guys do have a lot of Land Rover expertese to bring to the 
Land Rover mail list and should stay here to share it.  I just think you need a 
place to chat amoung yourselves without filling up every one else's mbox.

I'm just a poor, ex-hippie, ex-anarchist, still hanging out in the Santa Cruz 
mountains who just haapens to like driving British cars... I'm NOT the group's 
constible.

TeriAnn Wakeman        Large format photographers look at the world
twakeman@apple.com     upside down and backwards     
LINK: TWAKEMAN              
408-974-2344                         TR3A - TS75519L, 
                       MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 12:16:17 -0600
From: Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

-----[ Beginning of quote ]-----

Innocent Question:  Why are you only looking at used Landrovers from  
the UK?

In NZ:
1) We don't have the rust problems found in the UK.

2) Pre-1968 Landys have little or no collector value (because they're  
everywhere)  I sold my beautiful 1956 Series 1 SWB for NZ$2250  
(US$1125).

3) Cars are well maintained here and often in better shape unrestored  
than their "restored" counterparts elsewhere.

4) You could probably afford to fly to NZ, buy a Landy, drive it  
around for a month, and ship it back for less than the prices you  
were quoted.

-----[ End of quote ]------

Good grief, New Zealand never occurred to me.  I've got a couple of  
questions:

1) The frame is my biggest concern in looking for a 25-year old  
vehicle.  A Rover from a less rust-prone area would be a real  
advantage.

Perhaps folks could set me straight.  I've always assumed that most  
frame corrosion problems were caused by:

  a. Road salt.
  2. Proximity to the ocean, and thus salt water.
  III. General dampness of the climate.

>From what I've read (and heard from a friend from Aukland), NZ has a  
fairly moist climate and most major cities seem to be along the  
coast.  How do you manage to escape the rust problem?

2) Augh!  A beautiful 1956 Series I for US$1125!?!  I'm weeping on my  
keyboard.  If only I could be so lucky.

3) A well-maintained original (in my mind) beats a good restoration  
any day.

4) I've always wanted to visit New Zealand.  The idea of finally  
taking the trip and coming home with the 109" of my dreams is even  
better.  I appreciate your and Hugh's offer to post some examples of  
Land Rovers for sale in the classifieds.  I'm looking forward to  
seeing what is available and what the prices are.

Now to see if I can get off work for a month...

P.S. 109's are somewhat hard to come by in England.  Are they any  
more prevalent in NZ?

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 17 Jun 94 15:30:37 -0600
Subject: RE: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

im intrested in contacting someone in new zealand who is willing to have a look 
around for any series 2, 2a, or 3 in either the 88 or 109. pls contact me back 
via email. im eagerley awaiting your response for i too am intrested in a rover 
of my very own. another issue is the concern about the transfer of funds if an 
appropriate vehicle is found. shippin on the other hand can be handled from this 
end. any response would be highly appreciated. my email address is 
ben_hui@mdd.comm.mot.com phone 604-241-6053 thx
_______________________________________________________________________________
Cc: /S=lro@transfer.stratus.com/OU2=SMTPGW/OU=ILBA/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/
From: /S=grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com/OU2=SMTPGW/OU=ILBA/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/ 
on Fri, Jun 17, 1994 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

-----[ Beginning of quote ]-----

Innocent Question:  Why are you only looking at used Landrovers from  
the UK?

In NZ:
1) We don't have the rust problems found in the UK.

2) Pre-1968 Landys have little or no collector value (because they're  
everywhere)  I sold my beautiful 1956 Series 1 SWB for NZ?2250  
(US?1125).

3) Cars are well maintained here and often in better shape unrestored  
than their "restored" counterparts elsewhere.

4) You could probably afford to fly to NZ, buy a Landy, drive it  
around for a month, and ship it back for less than the prices you  
were quoted.

-----[ End of quote ]------

Good grief, New Zealand never occurred to me.  I've got a couple of  
questions:

1) The frame is my biggest concern in looking for a 25-year old  
vehicle.  A Rover from a less rust-prone area would be a real  
advantage.

Perhaps folks could set me straight.  I've always assumed that most  
frame corrosion problems were caused by:

  a. Road salt.
  2. Proximity to the ocean, and thus salt water.
  III. General dampness of the climate.

>From what I've read (and heard from a friend from Aukland), NZ has a  
fairly moist climate and most major cities seem to be along the  
coast.  How do you manage to escape the rust problem?

2) Augh!  A beautiful 1956 Series I for US?1125!?!  I'm weeping on my  
keyboard.  If only I could be so lucky.

3) A well-maintained original (in my mind) beats a good restoration  
any day.

4) I've always wanted to visit New Zealand.  The idea of finally  
taking the trip and coming home with the 109" of my dreams is even  
better.  I appreciate your and Hugh's offer to post some examples of  
Land Rovers for sale in the classifieds.  I'm looking forward to  
seeing what is available and what the prices are.

Now to see if I can get off work for a month...

P.S. 109's are somewhat hard to come by in England.  Are they any  
more prevalent in NZ?

------------------------------

From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 17 Jun 94 16:05:45 -0600
Subject: rovers in new zealand

im intrested in contacting someone down there  in new zealand who can look at a 
couple of rovers on my behalf. im intrested in either the series 2,2a or 3 in a 
88 or 109, basically somthing decent. i want a rover and this seems to be a 
reasonable alternative to finding a good vehicle aside from the u.s. and 
england. you can contact me at ben_hui@mdd.comm.mot.com or 604-241-6053 voice. i 
would also like to discuss the issue of the transfer of funds if a appropriate 
vehicle is found. the movement of the vehicle to canada can be done from this 
end so there is little concern about that aspect of the purchase. 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 17:46:27 -0400
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: this and that, tit for tat

Ok folks........

On a "serious" note, Nigel (the '60 SII 88), Honey,
Cora (two morgans, horses, that is), and I spent the
last few nights getting Nigel's front end back 
together.  These new Railco bushes really are a dream
come true...NO more wobble whatsoever.  Even took him
for a spin down "tankslapper lane" at speed and there
wasn't even the slightest bit 'o shudder in that steering
wheel.  Wow wee.  For those of you who still have the
old cone and spring setup I strongly suggest you 
consider the railco conversion....it is an easy job,
will cost you about $150 US for the bits (which is
*less* than a new set of cones and springs will cost
you), and all you need is a press (or a friend who
has one).  The horses are now quite psyched to 
have their roofless barn back to themselves.

On another "pseudoserious" note, I got a call from
Dixon today who took it upon himself to look me up
in the US phone book, tracked me down at home, got
the work number from my bro KD, and harrassed me
into coming up to Ottawa.  Thanks for that, mate,
I was bummin' about having to turn down the invitation,
but alas, you've given me no choice.  I am coming and
will bring my bear protection (the lil' woman) along
with me.  Nige might not make the trip, though, as I've
gotta make it there and back in good time.
Any of you who've had it with my antics can meet me
there and we'll have it out once and for all (over a
good beer, no less).

Which brings me to the third topic.......all of this
banter about anti-banter has cluttered my box to such
an extent that it's even got to *me*.  But, just let
me tell you all how I deal with this-it is really easy
technique to learn and I'm sure all of you can get the
hang of it.  First, I raise my right hand, palm side
towards me, with the back side of my hand facing the
screen.  Then, I let all but my middle finger assume
the pull of gravity.  We New Yorkers get really good
at this, as it has replaced the wave and the thumbs-up
as common highway gestures.  For those of you in Jolly
'ol England, just flash yourself the peace sign (victory
to you, but I grew up in a different era), bend your
fingers slightly, and give a couple of quick pumps.
As for you in OZ, NZ, Italia, and Germany, I've
no clue, but surely the US mode must have some meaning
there.  Once you've mastered this you can do it while
your left hand rests on the keyboard.  Then, just let
the middle finger of your left hand hit the "D" key.
Message gone, never again to be read.  It's that easy.

Cabeesh?

rd/nigel

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:45:01 -0500 (CDT)

Grettir Asmundarson was bold enough to point out...
>I've contacted 3 dealers on the list that Mike Rooth kindly posted  
>from LRO.  Here are the results:
none

I promised a posting of the AL Workhorse article -- here
it is.  Ray (sore fingers) Harder.

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** The following was a letter that was published in the Spring 94  **
** issue of the LROA magazine:  The Aluminum Workhorse             **
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     Dear Sirs,

     I have read recently in various publications, i.e. LRO Magazine
and a cutting from the Toronto Star that there is a great swell
of enthusiam for Land Rovers in North America.  As a Land Rover
enthusiast I am very interested in what is going on over there with
you, as my hobby is rebuilding old Land Rovers.

     I am writing to you to find out if there is any way I can help
you to put and keep Land Rovers on the road.  Living in the
Scottish border country (on the border with England), we have access
to a large source of vehicles and rebuild them using new galvanized
chassis and many genuine and non-genuine parts.  I buy these
parts from a friend, Rupert Leng of Leng Land Rovers Ltd.

     Rupert and I have the following proposals which may be of
interest.  It is based on me refurbishing vehicles and Rupert
providing parts.

     o  Supplying Refurbished vehicles:  Refurbished to your
        specifications, i.e. using genuine or non-genuine parts
        whatever required, various engine configurations, color,
        types of seats, etc.

     o  Supplying vehicle and parts to repair:  Supply a vehicle
        which has ended it's first life, along with the parts
        required for enthusiasts in your country to rebuild it.

     o  Supplying a vehicle only:  We can send out to you a
        vehicle which, as above, has come to the end of it's 
        life, leaving you to source parts to rebuild it.  Or
        you could break it for spares.

     Given the time, we can source most models along with access to
many new and second hand parts, i.e. various engines, etc.

     If any of the above are of interest to you or your club
members I would be pleased to hear from you/them.

    Rod Barry
    32 Wythbank Row
    Clovenfords, Selkirk-shire TD1 3NK
    Scottland, U.K.
    Phone  089685 619 (h)     031 554 6736 (w)

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** Per Roy's suggetsion, here is the 109 advertised in the same    **
** issue                                                           **
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  1962 109 Safari Land Rover -- 12 seater.  "The Tank".
2 1/4 petrol w/9 years on rebuild -- still excellent.  Body
excellent w/recent respray.  New doors, doorposts, modesty
skirts, front panel.  Near new springs. Near new headliner.
New petrol tank.  Color - Marine blue w/ limestone.
L5000 (english pounds)  Buyer must pay shipping.  Phone
Halifax (0422) 355347 (England).
*********************************************************************

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Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000

- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU)        - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)       - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                   - xx
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:59:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

Re frame rust and where it comes from.
I live in the prairie region of Canada and one of the worst offenders at
causing rust is long grass.  If a vehicle sits for years in grass long
enough to touch the frame, it keeps the area damp and it starts to rust. 
As you know it is like cancer and just keeps going.  Covering a vehicle to
the ground is another bad idea.  If you stop the covering above the
ground, moisture can get out.  Field mice and gophers etc like to nest in
old frames and this really eats the stuff as well.  Just ramblings I know
but for some of you in the central US like Kansas you will have the same
problems we have plus we have snow to contend with sitting on the frame
even if we don't have salt.  Cheers Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:17:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II

More on frame rust.  We in central Canada have found our frames rusting
from the inside out in some cases.  If you wade your vehicle a lot, the
holes in the frame let in mud with the water and of course gravity being
what it is it can't get back out when the water leaves.  Over time the
stuff inside is wet and sits at the bottom of the frame.  Having the box
ends closed only adds to the problem.  Take the high pressure car was hose
and flus out the frame.  One fellow in our group has taken to running oil
down the frame wenever he does a strip down to coat the inside with oil. 
It at least helps.  A friend of mine suggested using WD40 or a similar
water dispalcement oil.  It seems to be best since it drives out water and
it creeps upward in pouris metal.  I have sprayed it into door areas on
vehicles and weeks later I see it climbing out around the windows.  This
should help.  Perhaps a few holes to drain the frame would help if you
wade a lot.  Does anyone know what year chassis 144003949 was built.  I
only have the shop manual to check and I would like a closer date if
possible.. It was registered as a 1960 but of course that is impossible.
Cheers Dave VE4PN

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Date: 17 Jun 94 21:46:49 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Lumenition

Oops, sorry Greg, I forgot one *very* important thing when explaining how
to 'undo' the Lumenition conversion: You must of course also keep and
re-fit the *rotor arm* !!  Because that goes out as well when installing
the Lumenition.

Bye,

Stefan  <100043.2400@compuserve.com>

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 21:56:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Parts, Parts, Parts

Hi Dixon, just me again.  I wanted to include the other guys in the
question about the serial number on my rig.  I went out and checked the
frame and the number is 244364266 not 144 as I mentioned in another
letter.  If you can check out the year for me I would appreciate it.  I
have Bill Crowe a friend of mine who also likes cars.  He is also into
moror cycles.  he was in Arnprior with me some years ago.  See you. Cheers
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 22:12:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: US Nat'l Rally

Can you tell us more about the rally in Colorado in August.  I am also
going west at that time and I would like to drop in and see the folks from
the US if possible.  Dave VE4PNOn Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> Is anyone going to the National Rally thing in Colorado in August?  I'm 
> hoping to go on the way back from a trip around western Canada.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> introduced.  It was pretty cool.  Got to meet a lot of neat people.
> Uncle Roger

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