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From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Date: 14 Jun 94 23:43:13 GMT
Subject: Holy Halfshafts Batman!!!

I can't believe it!  LRO normally takes 6-8 weeks to get here (NJ).  I called 
Land Rover World last week for a subscription and the ***JULY*** issue arrived 
in the mail yesterday!  And it does have more stuff on older Rovers.  This 
month could easily be called "Lightweight World" for the amount of coverage 
given to Air Portables.  Some good resoration stuff too, and the mag is much 
better polished than I had expected.  Dixon and I had a conversation last 
night and agreed that LRO seems to be giving more coverage to newer vehicles 
than older Rovers and carries less restoration material.  

We also discussed that their level of customer service for their overseas 
customers is falling. Initially they seemed to go out of their way to serve 
and recruit non-Brits.  But aside from what has already been said about 
delivery times, in their current advert for back issues, they state they are 
not available for overseas customers due to high postal rates.  When I started 
my subsciption in  90-91, almost all the back issues were available, and they 
came in a couple of boxes two weeks after being ordered.  Boy, have things 
changed.   

Thank you, Dixon, for the call.  I really enjoyed it and especially since the 
net is my only source of LR communications.  Except for Mr. Denis.  
Unfortunately 4 hours of Boom Boom Bill on the line with Fireball Steve runs 
to a third of my LRW subscription (yes Steve, I still have that 5 gallon red 
thing on the back of my 109.  Fortunately air is not too flammable).

Thanks for all who responded with Hi-Lift Jack mounting info.  Roy especially. 
I installed it last night on the back of the seat base bulkhead.  I used 
backing plates for strength and rubber shims (inner tube cut to shape) to 
prevent differential corrosion.  The benefit of this location is that it's out 
of the way, out of the elements, and a little less tempting to remove than if 
outside of the vehicle.  The drawbacks are that it's more difficult to get at 

spare tire carrier.  The mounting kit from Hi-Lift comes with two brackets and 
a small padlock.  Now I've got one less item in my basement.

That's all for now
Bill Maloney
maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:05:23 -0400
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: Gas tank bolt on

Hey Jory,

I recently replaced my original tank and the rear support was really 
corroded so out it came.  I had the pleasure of grinding the area flat 
before bolting on the new support.  I used 3 bolts (I forget if they were 
5/16 or 3/8) in an upside down triangle pattern.  I passed the bolts thru 
both walls of the frame and backed the far/framewall-only side with large 
diameter washers because my frame is OLD and squidgy - not new like yours. 
While it does seem to be a robust "fitment" I am looking forward to a frame 
up on the beast in a year or two and don't think of my bolt on as a 
permanent thing.  I guess we could hit our respective installs with a welder 
later?

In an attempt to keep water out of the crevice between the frame and the new 
support I covered the frame-support area with silcone sealant before bolt on.

Good luck with the rivets - how many of these things are you using?

More on the England trip soon and it was great to meet Steve Denis and Bill 
Caloccia in person there.  

Well gotta go open up my carb and figure if it makes more sense to replace 
just the current reg on the alternator or just swap the whole thing for a 
new one so I can drive up and meet the Ottawa folks.

 John Hong 
(jhong@haiku.com 617-625-9469 voice 623-5253 fax)

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Cans
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 9:12:07 EDT

> YA' know, I'd be <REAL> worried about carting extra fuel where it could
> get hit...it is ok I guess to carry it on the back or front when off
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> PO BOX 61
> Erieville,NY 13061
Hey Fireball-

Guess it just comes down to whether you want the Pinto or the Chebby Truck
effect!

rd/danige (Railco's pressed into the swivel balls last night....all goes
back together this evening after work, weather permitting.)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: James B Russell <jrussell@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Cans

One of the best places to carry a pair of gas cans is on the roof rack 
(as I recall, the old _Guide to Land Rover Expeditions_ said that only 
water should normally be carried on front bumper carriers and I would 
tend to feel the same about anything on the back).  Cans hanging off the 
front, back, or sides are very vulnerable and could make a minor accident 
into something that will be spectacular enough to easily make the evening 
news.

               James B. Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: James B Russell <jrussell@netcom.com>
Subject: Rivnuts

Page 166 of the Autobooks _Land-Rover Owner's Workshop Manual_ (Autobook
895) has drawings showing a nice way to install large rivnuts without a
special tool.  I can fax this to you if you want to email me a fax number. 

               James B. Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Clutch woes
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 11:35:52 EDT

> Dixon Kenner <dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca>
> writes:
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> $ 175.-, but a new distr. won't be much cheaper, either. I don't have any 
> more details, but if anyone's interested I'll check them out.

I am sure were are all (most of us, anyway) interested.  please do.
thanks,
rd/nige

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Subject: Re: more lr parts for sale (+rivnut question) 
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:34:50 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

Jory, 

	Why cant you just weld that outrigger on to the 
frame like the side holding your stock gas tank is. Just
bolt the tank to your new outrigger, then fit the whole
thing on as an assembly, bolting it to the rear outrigger,
and holding the whole mess up in place with a floor jack.
This way you're assured of getting it in the right spot.
Then just tack weld it in several spots, unbolt and remove
the tank, then finish of with a good solid bead around the 
whole outrigger. Paint it with some good quality primer and 
rust preventive paint. Then bolt your tank back in and 
you're done. 
					Rgds
					Mike Fredette
					mfredett@ichips.intel.com
					72 Ser lll 88
					Portland Oregon

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:41:09 -0400
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: more lr parts for sale (+rivnut question)

>        Why cant you just weld that outrigger on to the
>frame like the side holding your stock gas tank is. Just
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>                                        72 Ser lll 88
>                                        Portland Oregon

two problems with welding:

1) i have to pay somene to do it

2) the welders i know are unexcited about welding to my galvanised frame

3) i tilt towards doing less "damage" to the galvanised frame so the job
would be more reversible (i usually try to think of future owners and their
frustration at seeing some repair/retrofit they can't esily undo).

-jory

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 12:08:35 -0400
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Re: Clutch woes

 

>> You can literally breathe new life into the wobbliest of old distributors
>> with the "Lumenition" opto-electric ignition control that a british firm
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>> more details, but if anyone's interested I'll check them out.
>I am sure were are all (most of us, anyway) interested.  please do.
>thanks,

My "never ending story" Rover, which should have rolled into the Roverworks
shop to begin actual assembly yesterday, will have a Lumenation ignition. 
Assuming (bad mistake, I know) I take delivery within this millenia I'll
post my "for what it's worth" once I've formed an opinion.  Of course I
won't really have a basis for comparison, but I might be able to answer
some specific questions.

Regards.

JAB
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Subject: Clutch woes
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: 	Tue, 14 Jun 1994 10:42:08 -0400

"Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> writes:

> You can literally breathe new life into the wobbliest of old distributors
> with the "Lumenition" opto-electric ignition control that a british firm
> manufactures for Land Rovers. 

        I am familiar with this product.  It is not only sitting on a couple
        of Land Rovers in the club, but is also rather popular with the
        British sports car crowd, many of whom have added this to their
        vehicles.  'its an idea, though grabbing one off a space is proably
        the most likely short term solution.  Of course a diesel would be
        a better one...

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Re: more lr parts for sale (+rivnut question)
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: 	Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:27:12 -0400

jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) writes:

> Roy then addressed my rivnut query:
> >PS  If I remeber correctly the rivets are aluminum and you will
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> adapter in any case).
> -jory

I have one of these tools, looks like a rivet gun, but it pulls 
interchangeable threaded rods to compress the " thread sert" or whatever, 
leaving a threaded plug.  If you don't have many to do, just use a bolt 
with a nut threaded to the head, put the bolt into the "rivnut", wrench 
the nut down until it compresses the "rivnut".

The aluminum ones are different than the steel ones. The aluminum ones 
form a lip at the top.  the steel ones are more complex.  The bottom part 
is cone shaped with grooves which breaks off and expands the top part.

Dale Desprey

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: Updated OVLR Events List
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: 	Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:54:56 -0400

June 18-19th:  11th OVLR Birthday Party!

Annual Club Birthday Party at Doc. Dolan's in Almonte.

What     The annual light off-roading, heavy mud bogging OVLR camping
         party.  The Birthday Party is a social occasion, a place to
         get together with people from all walks of life, people who
         share a common interest, the legendary Land Rover and its
         progeny.  It is also an opportunity for those who wish to have
         some fun to try some rock face climbing, mud running, follow
         the leader into the middle of somewhere and the other silly
         things that you don't get the opportunity to do at home.

Wher     At Doc. Dolan's place in Almonte.  There will be a convoy
         leaving from the Westgate Shopping Centre on Merivale and
         Carling at 8:30am Saturday morning.

         Alternatively, members can arrive for camping on the Friday
         evening, or drive up on their own.  Camping will be around to
         the left side towards the glen when you enter the field.

Directions:  Take the Queensway (Hwy 417) west out of Ottawa.  -
         Follow the 417 past where it turns into a single lane highway
         (Now it is Hwy 17).  Continue down Hwy 17 for another ten
         kilometres until you get to a set of traffic lights.  This is
         the Almonte/Carp exit.
-        Turn left onto Hwy 44 at the Almonte/Carp exit and continue 16
         kilometres into the town of Almonte.
-        Continue through Almonte, over the river, until you get to the
         set of traffic lights at Hwy 15.  There will be a Petro Canada
         station on your right.  Turn right.
-        Continue down Hwy 15 until you see a sign for Bennies Corners.
         Turn left.
-        Continue down the dirt road until you get to a "T".  Turn
         right.
-        Follow this road and take your first left turn, about 1/4 mile
         from the "T".  Drive until you see the  OVLR sign.  Turn left
         and follow the trail to the upper fields.

When:    Tentative schedule:
         Saturday:  For those of you who have not arrived Friday
         evening at the site, a convoy shall gather at the Westgate
         Shopping Plaza on Merivale and Carling, leaving at 8:30am to
         proceed up to the Birthday Party.
         10:00            Everyone has arrived at the party site.
         10:30            Brunch (Hot dogs & coffee)
         Noon    Heavy off-road session.  Lots of mud, bog, etc.  For the
                 heavy off-road, it has been suggested that vehicles that
                 prove to be unable to perform on the trail, and die some
                 horrible (overheating coil) & predictable (Honda wires)
                 death will be towed into the woods adjoining the trail,
                 thus allowing vehicles to get past and continue on.
                 Vehicles that are moved off the trail will be fetched &
                 assisted at the conclusion of the heavy off-road event.
         4-7pm            Social
         7pm     Dinner & Social  (menu to be announced)
         Sunday
         9:30             Breakfast
         11:00            Auction hosted by Bates?
                 Land Rover games, scavenger hunt for children...

         There will be a series of light off-road trails marked off for
         those who do not wish to coat great amounts of glorious image
         enhancing mud upon there vehicles.

         All children going on off-road events are wear either hockey
         or bicycle helmets while in the back of the Land Rovers.  They
         do get bounced about a fair amount while shouting for us to
         get well and truly stuck.

         Individuals are to be reminded to stay off the off-road trails
         used by the Land Rovers.

What     As this is an off-road and camping event, participants are
         expected to bring along the necessities of survival, such as
         a tent, any chairs, cutlery, plates and extra food that they
         will require.  OVLR will be providing the Dinner Saturday
         evening.  For the brunch and breakfast, the club should be
         providing hot-dogs, eggs, et cetera.  More news, and cost of
         the event, and what about the SAAB pull in the next
         newsletter.

Cost:            $15 for adults, $8 for children 5 -12 years, children
                 under 5 are free.

Monday, June 20th: General Gathering

The general gathering will be on Monday, June 20th at 7:00pm at the
Prescott Hotel on the east side of Preston Street a couple of
blocks north of Dow's Lake between Carling and the Queensway.  For
consistency it was thought the meetings should be on Mondays
regardless.

Sunday, June 26th:  OVTC Classic Car show in Richmond

Ottawa Valley Sporting & Classic Car Show in Richmond
What     Classic & sports car show and flea market put on by the Ottawa
         Valley Triumph club and attended by the various car clubs in
         the Ottawa Valley.  Each club puts on a display of three
         vehicles, the balance of the vehicles are lined up for the
         public to view etc.
Where:           Richmond Fairgrounds in Richmond south of Ottawa
Cost:            $2.50 a person, or $5 per family at the gate.  Under 12
                 for free.  Phone Dave Meadows or Dixon Kenner for more
                 information.

July 2-4th:  Downeast VI Land Rover Rally
Who:     The trip is open to all interested Land Rover owners and
         friends.  As Miles puts it: "At the annual Downeast we are
         inclined to avoid hill climbs, obstacle courses, treasure
         hunts, mud running, follow the leader into the middle of
         nowhere, and all the other silly things most Land Rover, Range
         Rover, Defender, Discovery and Rover car owners don't wish to
         subject themselves or their vehicles to.  The Downeast is more
         a social occasion, a place to get together with people from
         all walks of life, people who share a common interest, the
         legendary Land Rover and its progeny.
What     Up to 100 Land Rovers at the Owl's Head Transportation Museum
         on Sunday the 3rd, including clubs and Rovers North reps.
         Described by the organiser as North Americas largest gathering
         of Land Rover, Range Rover, Discovery, Defender, and Rover
         cars, is a casual event featuring no off-roading at all.
When     July 2,3,4.  Saturday features a BBQ by Lake Megunticook, to
         the west of Camden Hills State Park.  Nominal cost for the BBQ
         is $5.  From noon onwards boats and canoes will be available
         to muck about in.  Evening camp at Old Massachusetts Homestead
         Campground (207) 789-5135.  Campfires plus natter and noggin
         into the wee hours.  Sunday is the main event with the Land
         Rovers lined up for display.  For those who are not interested
         in Land Rovers, or grow tired of them (<gasp!>), the
         Transportation Museum will be open along with a large
         selection of historic aircraft flown down for the
         Transportation Museum show the same day.
Contacts:        For more information phone Miles Murphy at (207) 789-
                 5303.

Monday, July 4th:  Executive Meeting

                 Monthly executive meeting at my lair, 27 Kelvin Crescent.

Monday, July 18th:   General Gathering

                 The general gathering for July will take place at the
                 Navy Mess on Victoria Island, starting at 7pm.

July 23          Murray is planning a light off-road event.  This will
                 feature a road building session through the woods up near
                 Carp.  This is not an OVLR event as well as being a no
                 children, no pets occasion.
                 For more information please call Murray Jackson at 591-
                 0672

August:     Overnight cross country event down the Calabogie Power Cut

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Subject: LR
From: ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it (Ludovico Magnocavallo)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 18:39:00 +0100

>Good day to you Ludovico, or may I call you Ludo?
>I was wondering where you live. Town / country , big town smalltown etc.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Robin Craig
>Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

 Hi Robin,
 I'm quite new to the list, but it's the best thing I've found on the 
Internet so far....
 I'm 28, I study Architecture at Milan Polytechnic (I will graduate in 
September).
 I live in Milan, Italy, you probably know where it is, it's in the 
northern part of the country, and it's the second biggest city in my country.
 I bought my Land Rover 6 months ago, it's a 1984 (last year of 
production!) SWB Series III Station Wagon, diesel engine.
It's in good shape, apart from some minor problems (worn window channels 
and some dents in the body) and the usual oil leaks.
 I have not taken her offroad much, but I'm planning a long trip to Africa 
or the Mid East this winter, so I'm trying to learn as much as I can about 
LR mechanics, and the list is great for this.
 I will go to the Land Rover Owners International show in Billing in July, 
will any of you be there?
 Bye
 Ludo
 
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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:00:49 -0400
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: more lr parts for sale (+rivnut question)

>> I know of what you speak (I used that tool when i removed my bonnet-mounted
>> spare carrier and filled the holes with solid rivets). Actually though, I
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>is cone shaped with grooves which breaks off and expands the top part.
>Dale Desprey

the steel ones i have are the same as the aluminum ones you describe. is
the rivet gun you use for these a normal sized gun, or is it larger?

i was skeptical that just using the bolt/drilled nut method would work as
well as using the right tool (and i am a little nervous about putting these
things into my frame and having them spin when you are trying to insert or
extract the bolt)

what's your expereicne with threadserts in general. they seem so prone to
rotation.

-jory

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:36:14 EDT
From: macelis@neb.com (Dana Macelis-Roberts Lab)
Subject: test

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:46:09 +0100
From: Robertslab<rjrlab@neb.com>
Subject: Re: Updated OVLR Events List

Dear John Hong and Bay State Rover Owner Assoc.

        Hey, these Cannuks know how to use their Rovers!  When is the BSROA
going to schedule an event like this one, being held up in Canada?  We
should let Papas know about this event so we can try a similar event.

-Brian Monks

p.s. Does anyone know how useful a "Tread Lightly" membership is, in terms
of getting helpful off-road maps?

>June 18-19th:  11th OVLR Birthday Party!
>Annual Club Birthday Party at Doc. Dolan's in Almonte.
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>dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
>FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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From: Mark V Grieshaber <mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com>
Subject: Rivnuts
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 15:19:53 CDT

jory bell said:
> i was skeptical that just using the bolt/drilled nut method would work as
> well as using the right tool (and i am a little nervous about putting these
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> what's your expereicne with threadserts in general. they seem so prone to
> rotation.

As an A+P in a previous life, I am familiar with rivnuts.  "Rivnut" is a
trademark, as is "nutsert".  The generic term is "rivet nut".  The single
biggest problem with rivnuts is that they spin.  Picture a bolt in a
rivnut, just a little corrosion (between the bolt and the insert), and then
needing to remove the bolt, but it just spins the rivnut when you turn it.
How do you remove it?  No known way of doing it without access to the back
of the insert other than grinding it off.  Drilling just spins it too.
Sometimes you can use a sharp chisel to catch the insert head enough to
hold it while turning the bolt, but not if something is on top of it...

Argh, I've struggled with enough of them.  There are only three solutions
(and one partial solution):

1. Typical rivnuts can spin.  There is available a "nonspinning" rivnut,
   which is exactly the same as a normal rivnut, with the addition of a
   little "tongue" or spline on the shaft under the head.  You drill the
   normal hole, and then file or cut a small slot to hold the tongue, which
   keeps the rivnut from turning.  As you might surmise, there is a special
   tool to clip the little slot for the tongue, but I've only ever used a
   small file to do it.  These work *great*, and are very nice to use,
   except for the additional work to put them in.

2. Use standard rivnuts only for *permanent* installations.  Ie, don't
   expect to be able to undo the connection in the future (unless you are
   willing to drill it out, like a standard rivet).  Fine if that is what
   you intend.

3. Don't use standard rivnuts.  Use bolts, or whatever.

4. Use standard rivnuts, and use plenty of antisieze on assembly.  Great
   stuff, and you will have a decent chance (not a guarrantee) of future
   disassembly.

Does it go without saying that standard rivnuts and thread locking compound
are not a great idea for future disassembly?  :)

Mark
mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:04:35 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Luminition

Several folks have mentioned Luminition as of late.  I have one thing to
say...I fitted it six years ago *and havn't touched my ignition since.*
That's about 60,000 miles worth.

Fitment is straightforward...it takes longer to read/figure out the
instructions than it does to do the actual work.  The confusing part is a
reference to a "ballast resistor" (which reduces the voltage to the coil
after starting) which the Rover does not sport.  Don't make the mistake of
mounting the control unit up high near the coil...it's one of the hottest
places in the engine bay.  Mount the CU on a wing or out of the way
somewhere to stay cooler.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 14:46:45 PDT
From: "Lou Pendley" <loup@quests.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

     unsubscribe
     
     unsubscribe me please.
     
     loup@quests.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:44:47 -0400
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: Rivnuts

>1. Typical rivnuts can spin.  There is available a "nonspinning" rivnut,
>   which is exactly the same as a normal rivnut, with the addition of a
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>   small file to do it.  These work *great*, and are very nice to use,
>   except for the additional work to put them in.

I'll take what's behind door #1!

Anyone have any ideas of where to source these "non-spinning" rivnuts? I've
asked around a bit in Boston (I know the two good commercial hardware
places from work) and they were clueless on rivnut details, variations,
etc. Thanks.

-jory

p.s. Mark, what is an "A+P"

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 20:37:30 -0400
From: jhong@haiku.com (John Hong)
Subject: Re: Updated OVLR Events List

>Dear John Hong and Bay State Rover Owner Assoc.
>        Hey, these Cannuks know how to use their Rovers!  When is the BSROA
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>should let Papas know about this event so we can try a similar event.
>-Brian Monks

Well Brian,

For off road driving there is definitely the 3rd Fall Heritage Event in late 
September.  Also, an August event is being planned in Conn. at a member's place.

However, do not expect either of these 2 events to be anywhere near what 
OVLR has graciously invited us to attend in terms of VROOOM, SPLAT and SPLASH.

Jim should be back after June 26, give him a call - he'd be glad to get help.

 John Hong 
(jhong@haiku.com 617-625-9469 voice 623-5253 fax)

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Date: 14 Jun 94 20:35:40 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Message from Internet; welcome

  > On behalf of every body on this side of the big pond I would like to
  > welcome stefan r. jacob to our Land Rovers by computer gathering.

Thanks for the nice welcome, Robin, and sorry for just breaking in here
without having introduced myself (I just get carried away when the topic
"Land Rover" is touched):

I'm owner of a good running 1973 Series III 109 Station, originally 6-cyl.
petrol, then temporarily Perkins diesel, now plain vanilla 2.25 4-cyl.
petrol. As my 'engine consumption' might suggest, I make heavy use of the
old dog for extended trips within Europe as well as to North Africa and 
the Middle East. We also do a good deal of hard off-roading in disused
US military compounds in our vicinity. It rarely ends without at least 2-3 
vehicles having to be towed or trailered back.
"We", that is the 'Land Rover Owners Club of Hessen' with "headquarters" in
Wiesbaden/Germany. Presently I'm the chairman of this club, but with a bit
of luck at our general meeting in two weeks time I'll be kicked out for a
younger chap who can then take all the complaints, hassle, bureaucracy etc.
so I can at last lie back and say "ok folks, what's up for the week-end?"  
Ah, yes...  I'm twice the age of my 109 (now that's a hard one).

We're 64 members presently, not counting wives, children and dogs. Like 
with every club, there's a 'hard core' of back-alley mechanics and off-road
freaks within the club, plus a few 'desert foxes' with extensive experience
from Africa expeditions and Sahara crossings. This group is made up
of about a dozen people, including a single woman with an 88 who right 
now is busy replacing the pistons of her engine and having the cylinder 
head honed. Almost every summer she takes off to... Iceland, of all places,
driving alone through the wild and deserted volcanic center of the Island 
where she's taken some breathtaking pictures. I guess that answers the 
question "can/do women drive Land Rover?". They can, if they're determined
enough.
Car-wise we've got an assortment of all models, from a 1953 107 Station
fire engine to Range Rover V8 Efi. One of our committee members runs a
Land Rover garage and repair, plus a parts mail order service.

Anyway, though I'm doing the electronic messaging I have 60-odd other 
people behind me silently participating in the list. Therefore, like they 
say in the TV-commentaries: Not all I say here *necessarily* reflects my 
own views or expertise.

TAFTF (short for "that's all for today folks").
Bye for now,

stefan r. jacob <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
LROC of Hessen
Wiesbaden, Germany

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[BTW, Robin, I've got relatives in Toronto/Ont., two cousins. My uncle
used to live there, too, but after he retired he moved to Washington D.C.
because of the climate - too cold in Ontario, he said.  - And what was that
you said about uploading? I must have missed it.]

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From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: 	Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:25:42 -0400

WPCP
2BVPZ&Courier 10cp  Roland Raven 
D%X@USUS2N#|x      In my bid to inform you all more, I have loaded a copy 
of anarticle that concerns Land Rover Stamps. This article is 
currentlyawaiting publication at a prominent Land Rover magazine. 
Thismaterial is copyright and heaven help anyone who tries to lift itand 
reproduce it under their own name! Be warned I do not get even,I do 
better. Need I say more?        
 
      LAND ROVER STAMPS  BY ROBIN CRAIG
                     
For most people keeping a Land Rover on the road is enough of a
challenge. I have always been interested in collecting Land Rover
related items. I have a modest collection of around two hundredLand Rover 
toys and quite a library of pictures and press releases.At this stage I 
assumed I had seen it all! 
 
    As usual I was proven wrong. A couple of years ago at the 
Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Christmas party here in Canada, Terri
Anderson introduced me to the world of Land Rover stamps. 
    
    She and husband Tony are the owners of a number of different
vehicles including a NADA 109" Station wagon, and both a diesel and
a petrol 88". She had started her collection by asking Ottawa stamp
dealers specifically for stamps depicting Land Rovers.
Unfortunately the stamp dealers had no idea what a Land Rover was
and consequently drew a blank.
 
    Terri, being persistent, set about scouring the stamp
catalogues page by page, country by country. After alot of
painstaking work she has so far found ten different stamps all
bearing Land Rovers. This is only fitting really when you consider
how much of the world has been influenced by this vehicle over the
years. The constant factor in all of these stamps is the mobility
that the Land Rover provides in getting a specific task done.    
 
    Probably the earliest use of a Land Rover in a stamp was by
Grenada in 1961 to celebrate the centenary of postal service. The
vehicle depicted is much the same as one would have found in the UK
doing the same work. The 88" hard top pickup was a great favourite
with the British post office. In fact there was a series of
postcards issued showing these vehicles at work, but that's another
story in itself.
 
    The 10 cent Malaysian stamp shows what we believe is a mobile
post office or perhaps a dispensary being run out of the back of a
109" hard top pickup. The hard top would have provided hopefully
good shelter from the elements.
     
    The Red Cross commemorative stamps of Lesotho and Grenada show
two different aspects of the charities work. Providing direct
medical aid from a 109" hardtop pickup and loading aid aboard a
Hercules aircraft in what Terri and I believe is a 109" or 110"
forward control. 
 
    Countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia have been linked with 
theTh)0*0*0*00TLand Rover marque right from the time it was invented. So 
it is
hardly surprising that when the East African Posts &
Telecommunications Corporation issued two stamps in 1977 depicting
the Nairobi to Addis-Ababa Highway linking the two countries the
88" and 109" station wagons appear prominently.
    The island of Tristan da Cunha has long been a name connected
with the world of philately. Infact the issuing of special stamps
and first day covers has been the major source of income for this 
otherwise mainly agricultural economy. The long low stone house
behind the Series 3 109" station wagon is typical of the houses on
the island. Solidly built to keep out the wind and rain that lashes
the island for much of the winter. 
 
    Helping to keep law and order has been a big part of Land Rover
sales over the years. The 109" vehicles shown in the Swaziland and
British stamps are good examples of the work done in each country
with Police forces. Just about every British force has used Land
Rovers over the years. From rural police work to the City of London
the Land Rover has been there to haul loads that would not go into
patrol cars, such as traffic cones and diversion signs and barriers
to the scene of a major traffic accident. 
 
    I have left the Guernsey Bailiwick St John Ambulance Centenary 
stamp to last as it is my favourite and also it poses a number of
questions. The vehicle is a Series 2 109" pick up with a truck cab
used as a tractor with fifth wheel coupling to tow a trailer
housing a Mobile Radar and Rescue Co-ordination unit. The stamp was
issued in 1977 a good six years after the advent of the Series 3.
So my first question is this, does this vehicle and trailer
combination still exist? If not does anyone remember it and can
they shed any light on its history? If it does not exist what has
taken its place today? Presumably the coupling was similar to that
used by the Racing commission in Britain to tow the starting gates
behind the 88" truck cabs mentioned in the Slavin and Mackie Book,
Land Rover the Unbeatable 4 X 4.
 
   Since seeing Terri's stamp collection I have started my own. Inthe 
hunt I have uncovered all the correct Scott's catalogue numbersfor the 
stamps and they are set out below. The Scott number is whatevery stamp 
dealer will ask you for. In addition I found a newstamp featuring a Land 
Rover 90. Beside it is another tab that hasthe company logo on it. Quite 
a find!
 
   I have also come to appreciate the world of stamp collecting andtheir 
ways. Most of these stamps are part of a commemorative set ofsay four 
stamps. Dealers will only sell you the four. they will notsplit them up, 
unless they only have the one to start with.
 
   The stamps are quite cheap, a set of four can cost you about$2.00 CDN. 
It is great fun looking for them. I am still looking fora few myself and 
the number in brackets indicates how many I moreI would like to acquire. 
If you run across some them please drop mea line and let me know what you 
have available.
Th)0*0*0*00TMALAYSIA, RED 109 # 165 (6). GREAT BRITAIN, WHITE 109 # 
875)878 (0)
GRENADA, RED 88 # 187)189 (0). GUERNSEY BAILWICK, WHITE 109 #153*156 (0). 
LESOTHO, BROWN 109 # 195)198 (5). SWAZILAND, BLUE 109#281)284 (5). 
TRISTAN DA CUNHA, # 328)331 (3). GRENADA, 109FC?#395)398 (2). KENYA, 88 & 
109 SW #94)97 (1). SAHARA OCCUPATIONR.A.S.D. WHITE 90 #153)158 (5).
  
   If you know anything more about these or any other Land Rover
stamps please write to me at the address below. My thanks to Terri
Anderson for the loan of the stamps.
 
ROBIN CRAIG, 2821 H BAYCREST DRIVE, OTTAWA, ONTARIO, K1V 7P6 CANADA
 
If you like articles like this then I'll continue to put stuff upnow that 
I have learned how to do this.
 
rgds
 
Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: James B Russell <jrussell@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Rivnuts

You can get the non spinning rivnuts at your favorite aircraft parts
vendor -- well, maybe, though they are a pretty standard hardware item. 
You might try checking the Yellow Pages for aircraft hardware or parts
suppliers.  There are some aircraft hardware mail order places (for
aircraft home builders) but it has been a long time since I have had any
names, addresses, or phone numbers.

One thing I have used is the Locktite stud and bearing locking compound 
(the really heavy duty stuff you don't normally want to get confused 
with the regular stuff 'cause you may never get the bolt out if you do) on 
the outside body of the Rivnut before you set it.  This helps to improve the 
odds some.  I liked the idea of antisieze compound too.

BTW, I will fax that page to you in the morning as the manual is at 
home.  Actually it is the drilled nut and wrenches thing but I have found 
it to work well on those Rivnuts larger than the ones for the standard 
pop rivet guns.

               James B. Russell   ====   jrussell@netcom.com
                         (Seattle -- San Francisco)            

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:07:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Springs

Are springs prone to sudden breaking.  Well I have had it happen.  They
always seem to break just at the beginning of the curl where they go onto
the eye.  I guess they are heat weakened at this point when they are
manufactured and after all the pounding they take, they simply give up the
ghost.  I was thinking more about taking out the bushing as I went to work
today, and I wondered if anyone has tried heating the bush area and then
putting dy ice on the inside of the bush.  It is a trick machinists often
use to put resistance fit units together.  It might just be the trick for
stuck bushes.  Dave VE4PN
That should be dry ice up above

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:31:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: David John Place <umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: more lr parts for sale (+rivnut question)

Jory  A place in Winnipeg Canada called Princess Auto has the tool you
want and it isn't any $200 range.  It is like a pop rivet tool except it
has a threaded attachment which screws into the insert you are installing.
 You install it the same way you would install a pop rivet but once
finished you can put a bolt into the unit.  The kit I say was about $29
and had perhaps up to 1/4 or 1/2 inch inserts with it.  I was thinking of
getting one to install the hinges for my inward facing seats on my 88. 
The phone number of the company which by the way has a catalogue and ships
US is 1-800-665-8685.  If that number doesn't work state side, try FAX at
1-800-265-4212 or phone 204-669-4252  I just checked the cataloge and the
tool you want is $29.99 and is called a threaded insert installation kit. 
The size however is 1/4-20.  They sell to manufacturing companies so they
may have larger ones. Hope the info is of some use to someone if not to
you.  Dave Place VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: LROVER@u.washington.edu
Subject: Subscription

Hi! Fellow Roverites...I've so far very much enjoyed the wealth of
information available to fellow LR owners. I would like to aquire a
copy of that Land Rover FAQ It was very FAQ( a hard copy) would be
wonderful. Also if I'm not allready subscribed please do..:)  
I'd like to begin by letting all know who I am.
Ben Freeman I reside in Seattle, Washington U.S.A.I have a '73-SIII
88, it's Limestone in color It has won People's choice at the '93-All
Brit Field Meet in Portland, OR U.S.A., But also it's a regularlly
driven Rover to work daily. My fiancee thinks I'm in Love with it
not her...hummm...possibly..I also have a Land Rover Trailer..it's
constructed out of a 109 box bed and frame the top has panel sides
an tropical roof..I'm painting it to match my SIII. Should be quite
the camping rig..for extended trips..from the rear it'll look like 
one long LR.  But to support my endeavor I'll part with some spares
ares since most know that prices are CHEAPER in the old country.
I'd like obtain a contact. :)
Well, I hope that I've introduced well enough. But feel free to 
send to me. Either by phone (206)524-7473 or E-mail at LROVER@WASHINGTON
e. Either by phone (206)524-7473 or by Email at                
LROVER@max.washington.edu  

Rgs
Benjamin J. Freeman
'73-SIII
LRover@Max.Washington.edu

P.S. I want a RHD...will someone trade me? 

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