TA, like I said, you can try and fool yourself.... no bubbles burst here.
If this is a series only list how come there are so many people on it with
large American V8s in their vehicles? No Series that I know had a galvanised
chassis either... :-)>
Like I said, and like you said in a different way, this is a list for
enthusiastic owners of Land Rover vehicles, many of which - by definition
and the fickle finger of fate which kept early coiled 110s and 90s out of
the US market - will be series.
just 'cos you WISH a thing, don't make it happen.
Best Cheers
Frank
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----- Original Message -----
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
To: LRO list <lro@Works.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Kinda Long and Opinionated Leaf/Coil comments bewarned
> >Frank Elson wrote:
> >"Now you can try to fool yourselves as much as you like but that split
was
> >not
> >over suspension systems although that provided a nice little excuse. It
was
> >over the completely different attitudes between owners of 'new' vehicles
and
> >owners of 'old' ones, between poseurs and enthusiasts, between cruisers
and
> >off-roaders... but not about suspension systems.
>
> Frank, I hate to burst your bubble but you are wrong on this one.
>
> Having been just a little involved in the list split, I have a slightly
> different take on why it happened.
>
> LRO got split off from the original generic British car mail list in
> early 1990. Between 1990 and 1994 the list was primarily American series
> Land Rover owners with a large contingent of UK enthusiasts, another of
> Australian enthusiasts and a few others from around the world. Meanwhile
> around 1995 The Discovery and D90 had been introduced into the US and
> there was an avalanche of new internet users discovering e-mail lists.
>
> Until then, the primary list traffic was concerned with series
> maintenance and upgrades, club events and off road trips. Suddenly there
> was this big group of vocal new people appearing who were complaining
> abut dealer service, water leaks and rust. New list topics were added
> like installing upgraded CD changers, how to get scratches out of paint,
> computer codes, and electric seat adjustment.
>
> None of that was relevant to the series owners who were the long term
> list citizens . e-mail traffic swelled big time and some days 2/3rds or
> better did not relate to series rigs. Range Rovers and Discoverys have
> no parts in common with a series II Land Rover. On board computers?
> Warranty? Coil what? leaks? (just make sure you have openings in the
> floor for the water to flow out).
>
> The list was split to reduce the total volume of e-mails and to increase
> the percentage of e-mails that are relevant to the people on the lists.
> This is the pure and simple bottom line.
>
> RRO was created for Range Rover and Discovery people. The Defender crowd
> have a foot in each camp and eventually gave up and started the D90 mail
> list.
>
> At that time local lists were started too so most UK and Austrailan
> memebers went off to their regional lists leaving LRO as a primarily
> North American list.
>
> SO I hate to burst your bubble Frank but the split had to do with the
> quantity and relevancy of the e-mails on the list. And it was made by
> splitting off the vehicles who did not have any parts in common with the
> series rigs.
>
> The hard part was trying to convence the coiler owners to move coil
> related threads off the now series only e-mail list and onto the coiler
> e-mail list. That's why even today sometimes people get reminded that
> the LRO list is not an appropriate venue for coiler related questions or
> threads.
>
> Last time I heard, I was banned for participating in any Flatlander Land
> Rover club events because of my participation in the list split war. It
> was the best of days and the worst of days.
>
>
> TeriAnn Near Santa Cruz, California
>
> My old car 1960 Land Rover 109 owned since 1978
> My new car 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986
> "Who could ask for anything more"
>
>
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