that's another vote for me...
Best Cheers
Frank
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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Ogilvie <konacoffee2@hotmail.com>
To: <lro@Works.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Kinda Long and Opinionated Leaf/Coil comments bewarned
> My comments have little to do with coil or leaf, it has to do with trying
to
> turn an iguanadon into a greyhound. There comes a point when the basic
> structure no longer works and you end up with a vehicle that is a true
> bastard without the characteristics of the original and the benefits of
the
> latter. Series trucks have some historical value and what some people
> propose doing will remove that car from the world. These people only want
> the look of the series truck. If you want something other than a series,
> use something other than a series. You can buy repro. bodies of Jeeps,
Toy
> LC's, and even Early Broncos. Since what they want to do is an ersatz
> vehicle, don't tear up a perfectly good series truck when you can make it
> totally ersatz out of replaceable parts.
>
> I've never intimated that the series trucks are the best 4x4 by Far. Just
> that people have some respect for their elders. It seems most of the
people
> that want to change the series the most, aren't as old as their trucks.
Not
> old enough to have an appreciation for their heritage. You can only do so
> much with the series suspension, engine and running gear. If money was no
> object, I'd cobble up a coil sprung, diesel powered, 5 speed, 34 inch
tired,
> series look alike. But I'd do it out of pieces that I've got lying
around.
> From experience, the more gonzo the truck, the more gonzo the driving, and
> the more trail customizing of the body work. If Gonzo is your only
> vocabulary, the series isn't the place to start. Way cheaper to either do
> it from scratch or buy a jeep. Some people make the assumption that stock
> series trucks are the only way to go. I hardly feel that way and would
buy
> a coiler if it would do the job for me AND was cost effective. Have
> seriously thought about an engine/trans. transplant to get better economy
> and performance. Keeping the Series running is enough of a headache,
don't
> want the added problems of even a NA spec. D90. Since we never got
diesels
> over here, I wouldn't buy a coiler because of their atrocious gas mileage
> and performance. I may only get 14mpg in the series but its done with a
> certain panache. If I was to buy a RR or Disco, which I almost did last
> week, it would get an immediate engine transplant.
>
> Put a lift under an old Disco or RR, stick on some decent sized tires and
> think it would be a match for a series even with lockers. D90's are
> probably much more practical for serious off road work, if for no other
> reason than you wouldn't have to be concerned about getting the leather
> dirty. Having said that, given a choice between a series truck for $6,000
> or a RR for the same price, I'd jump on the series.
>
> Series trucks are a state of mind even if you don't drive one. Coilers
can
> stay on the list, if my vote has any weight. Just don't start bragging
> about your 5 disk cd changer or A/C, etc, etc. I don't care and it only
> makes me feel sorry for you 'cause you know its going to break and RUIN
your
> day. Keep a series no frills, straight ahead vehicle, attitude, that's
what
> its all about.
>
> Aloha
> Peter O.
>
>
> >From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net
> >To: "lro list" <lro@Works.Team.Net>
> >Subject: LRO: Re: Kinda Long and Opinionated Leaf/Coil comments bewarned
> >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:00:00 +0100
> >
> >I agree with a lot of what you say Peter.
> > The problem, as I see it, is that you guys never had the early coilers,
> >Range Rover/110/Ninety, which means that you don't have enough second
hand
> >and cheap enough for enthusiasts to move to coils.
> > I'm on this list because it contains real Land Rovering enthusiasts,
just
> >like me,
> > However, I drive a coil sprung Land Rover, so I don't belong on this
> >list,
> >is what I am being told...
> > but I sure as hell don't belong on the coiler list with their bleating
> >about ABS CD players and stuff...
> > Neither do I belong, here in the UK with the 'new' owners (up to (say)
> >five years), just like those guys in your parking lots, we have them, as
> >well.
> > But we also have a lot of people with old, worn and faded and held
> >together
> >with baling wire, coil sprung Land Rovers
> >There is some elitism on this list (and the great thing about saying that
> >is
> >that the ONLY people to read it and be annoyed are the ones who are the
> >elitists - the others won't be, because they aren't!)
> >Let's face it, you can't get old of
> >early 110s and Ninetys like we can in the UK, otherwise half of you would
> >have them. Hell, from the signatures a lot of you have something with
coils
> >on anyway... from bits and pieces I have picked up over the years it
seems
> >there was a
> >big bust up on the list and it was split up into 'leafers' and 'coilers'.
> >Now you can try to fool yourselves as much as you like but that split was
> >not over suspension systems although that provided a nice little excuse.
> > It was over the completely different attitudes between owners of 'new'
> >vehicles and owners of 'old' ones, between poseurs and enthusiasts,
between
> >cruisers and off-roaders... but not about suspension systems.
> >
> >Best Cheers
> >
> >Frank
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> >
> >
> >
>
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