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1 "rosvall" [rosvall@nbnet22WANTED: Diesel Series Engine
2 john cranfield [john.cra22Re: welding axle shafts
3 SPYDERS@aol.com 14Disco crunched...
4 "The Becketts" [hillman@17Tire fitment guide
5 "The Becketts" [hillman@25Unobtainium stores
6 IBEdwardp@aol.com 14Re: Need a Fuel Gauge
7 Vince Sabio [vince@humou29Re: 6th MID-ATLANTIC RALLY
8 Frankelson@aol.com 17Langley Farm
9 Frankelson@aol.com 28Re: to buy or not to buy SIII update
10 Frankelson@aol.com 28Re: to buy or not to buy SIII update
11 Udhishtran Senathirajah 16Checking Dwell/RPM, with a 12v meter, on a 24V/12V ignitioned
12 GElam30092@aol.com 24Re: Langley Farm
13 jeffmo@globalnet.co.uk 21a spot of bother with the clutch
14 john cranfield [john.cra7Re: a spot of bother with the clutch
15 john cranfield [john.cra22Re: a spot of bother with the clutch
16 Jpslotus27@aol.com 16Re: Re: welding axle shafts
17 "Mark Talbot" [rangerove27Off-Road in VT/NH weekend of OCT 10th/11th
18 NADdMD@aol.com 21Engine/Tranny Transplant question
19 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world10Ray Burton
20 jimfoo@uswest.net 13lift
21 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [34Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.
22 WHOOLIGAN@aol.com 28Re: Portland Show
23 Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa23re: Brake bleed nipples


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From: "rosvall" <rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:33:41 -0300
Subject: WANTED: Diesel Series Engine
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To all:

I'm looking for a SII or SIII diesel engine complete....can be good or =
in need of a rebuild. I'm located in Atlantic Canada and am willing to =
travel anywhere in New England to pick up....

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:48:34 -0300
Subject: Re: welding axle shafts

Jpslotus27@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-09-12 12:50:54 EDT, you write:
> <<   If you weld your broken shaft, you
>  will be raising the temperature of the surrounding steel to the point
>  where it is annealed.  I'd suspect that the shaft would soon break again
>  near where the weld was made.   >>
>     I've built racecar off-set rear axles from Toyota rears.  What I was doing

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> attributed this to the welding making the steel harder in some parts than
> others, so it would break under torsional loads rather than bend.
 
I expect that this type of breakage is due to the welded diff on these
race cars and the Yamaha engine puts out more horses than a Land Rover 4
ever did.
John and Muddy

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:37:20 EDT
Subject: Disco crunched...

Some .org did offset crash tests, and a Disco was one of the vehicles. It can
be found at:

http://www-afsc.saia.af.mil/magazine/htdocs/fall97/pg8.htm

Draw your own conclusions,

--pat.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:46:14 +1000
Subject: Tire fitment guide

Pat wrote:

>I think the only ones not there were Hipano-Suiza, and maybe
>Hillman, but everyone else seemed to be there.)

WHAT!!!!  Did you check for all those other badge-engineered Hillmans like
Sunbeam, Singer, Commer etc?

I had better go and look myself!

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:43:17 +1000
Subject: Unobtainium stores

I may have missed something here - the digest has been having problems this
last week with only sending subject lines and also with chopping messages
off but...

Bill Adams <badams@usia.gov> wrote:
>This 'slumping' silicone can be found on the shelf right next to the
>t-case PTOs and capstan winch drive shafts at your local Unobtanium
>store.

Slumping silicone is easy to find.  I have some in my garage.  It is
silicone windscreen sealant.  It is quite low viscosity.  Somewhat heavier
than 140W oil.

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:11:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Need a Fuel Gauge

The fuel guage slot in my 66 S2a 88 is instrument cluster vacant. This is the
round cluster beside the speedometer which should contain an ammeter, a fuel
guage and the high beam indicator.  Does anyone have a spare fuel guage?  (I
have a sender which appears to be functional.) Thanks.

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Maryville (Somewhere in East Tennessee)

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:19:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 6th MID-ATLANTIC RALLY

** Sometime around 11:14 -0400 9/13/98, James Wolf said:

>HEAR YE, HEAR YE THE MID-ATLANTIC RALLEY FOR THIS YEAR HAS EXTENDED THE
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>OCT 2-4 AT PENLAM FARM ( from Mostly Metro list) thanks Spenny 8^).

            ^^^^^^^^^^^

Uh ... could someone please tell me where this is located? Or the URL
for the web page that doesn't have activities -- but might have a map?

TIA.

- Vince Sabio
  Columbia MD
  98 Disco (Willow)
  STILL no leaks!

--
P.S. -- Speaking of Mostly Metro, note that it has moved to a full-up
list server, with lots of nice features. Subscriptions are accepted at
<http://clio.lyris.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=mostlymetro> or via
e-mail at <join-mostlymetro@clio.lyris.net>.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:50 EDT
Subject: Langley Farm

Hi to John Hong,
met you at Langley Farm, Yorkshire, UK , today.
Bet this email beats you back home John!!

Best Cheers

Frank
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            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:55:33 EDT
Subject: Re: to buy or not to buy SIII update

In a message dated 13/09/98 10:13:29 BST, you write:

<< 	What is the best source of information on how to go about restoring a
 Series I, such as parts and the possible sources for major components in
 the UK (the original engine was swapped for a diesel in the 1960's)
  >>
Jeff,
you simply HAVE to join the Ser 1 Club. Those guys really know what they are
talking about.

And for parts, there are a lot of people, but John Craddock has more parts
than most.

good luck with the old lady.

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:55:32 EDT
Subject: Re: to buy or not to buy SIII update

In a message dated 13/09/98 10:13:29 BST, you write:

<< 	What is the best source of information on how to go about restoring a
 Series I, such as parts and the possible sources for major components in
 the UK (the original engine was swapped for a diesel in the 1960's)
  >>
Jeff,
you simply HAVE to join the Ser 1 Club. Those guys really know what they are
talking about.

And for parts, there are a lot of people, but John Craddock has more parts
than most.

good luck with the old lady.

Best Cheers

Frank
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            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Udhishtran Senathirajah <ingan@globalnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:35:48 +0100
Subject: Checking Dwell/RPM, with a 12v meter, on a 24V/12V ignitioned

Hi all, 

I have an FFR Lightweight Slll which is wired for 12V ignition via a
drop-down converter attached to the rocker cover. The engine needs a
tune-up, so, today I got all hyped-up and bought myself a digital
multimeter (Clarke, Model CA500) and set it up according to the directions
-one lead on the coil's -ve terminal and the other earthed onto the coil
casing itself - the leaflet actually says that the 12V meter needs the
other lead to be attached to the -ve terminal of the battery, I didnt think
it was applicable to a 24V system, so I attached it to the coil casing.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:22:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Langley Farm

In a message dated 9/13/98 1:06:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Frankelson@aol.com writes:

<< Hi to John Hong,
 met you at Langley Farm, Yorkshire, UK , today.
 Bet this email beats you back home John!! >>

Ha..... it probably will.  What is really scary is to think that John been in
the UK with either his wallet or charge card.  As I remember, his other trip
this summer cost him dearly.  What was it John?  One container, *several* Land
Rovers and a whole bunch o' parts? 

Later......
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
'73 Series III Soft top "Tigger"  (daily driver until it hits 110 F / 43 C)
'64 Series IIA Dormobile "Humpty Dumpty"  (interior currently in pieces)
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: jeffmo@globalnet.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:31:43
Subject: a spot of bother with the clutch

Had quite a bit of fun playing in the series III on Sunday off road,
unfortunately when I got it home, I noticed that the clutch felt funny (in
the sense that it had only limited travel), and that it was almost
impossible to change gear, and when it did it was necessary to hold it back
on the brakes as the clutch was not engaging or holding.

Checked the pedal, cylinder and bled the system, it still won't work
properly, anyone else had similar problems and can they recommend a cheap
and simple solution (my wife currently thinks of the III as a mobile
scrapheap), as a considerable amount of capital outlay is liable to land me
in the divorce courts!

Thanks, and oh for the understanding of a good woman!

Jeff  

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:37:47 -0300
Subject: Re: a spot of bother with the clutch

jeffmo@globalnet.co.uk wrote:

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:41:16 -0300
Subject: Re: a spot of bother with the clutch

jeffmo@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
> Had quite a bit of fun playing in the series III on Sunday off road,
> unfortunately when I got it home, I noticed that the clutch felt funny (in
> the sense that it had only limited travel), and that it was almost
> impossible to change gear, and when it did it was necessary to hold it back
> on the brakes as the clutch was not engaging or holding.
> Checked the pedal, cylinder and bled the system, it still won't work
> properly, anyone else had similar problems and can they recommend a cheap
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> scrapheap), as a considerable amount of capital outlay is liable to land me
> in the divorce courts!
 Let try this again, the major will probably ignore my last reply as I
didn't do enough deleteing.
You probably need a mastercylinder rebuild but it may be the push rod
and cup that has worn thus preventing the clutch from releasing.
  John and Muddy

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:30:06 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: welding axle shafts

In a message dated 9/13/98 6:47:41 AM, you wrote:

<<I expect that this type of breakage is due to the welded diff on these
race cars and the Yamaha engine puts out more horses than a Land Rover 4
ever did.>>

^PThis was long before the legend and dwarf cars.  it was a sports racer with a
1200cc suzuki engine.  the rear was did have welded spiders, though.  i saw a
dwarf car for the first time about 10 yrs ago and thought they'ed copied my
design.  

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:39:35 -0400
Subject: Off-Road in VT/NH weekend of OCT 10th/11th

I have had many requests, yes we are still on. Chris Velardi is out this
weekend scouting trips in VT. I / we have not sorted out which day will be
where. I.E Sat NH / Sun VT.

I will work with Chris this week and we will sort of the details...stay
tuned.....

Depending on which day we do with state, I will offer up my yard to those
that may want to camp...I will also Bar-B-Q as well.

The NH run will be a mixture of power lines, green lanes and rocky sections.

E-mail me if you require more info....

1988 Range Rover..

Loaded up for the rough stuff

1993 Range Rover..

Plushmobile

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 18:38:45 EDT
Subject: Engine/Tranny Transplant question

Hi all,

I'm in the middle of an engine/transmission transplant.  I decided to try
removing the tranny in pieces.  Worked great.  I took off the transferbox
first and then the remainder of the gearbox.  I was able to do this procedure
by myself, with no hernia.

Before removing the engine, I'd like to remove the clutch, flywheel and
flywheel housing.  Seems like this shouldn't be a problem, but anybody done
this?  Seems like it would lessen the chances of bashing the clutch MC or the
throttle linkage (RHD).

Thanks

Nate

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:41:59
Subject: Ray Burton

Ray, I must have deleted ALL of your mail. I can't find your address in my
personel secret file 8^). Please contact me about Corgi.

Jim Wolf

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:48:52 -0700
Subject: lift

What are the pros and cons of a spring over conversion, and what must
be done? I imagine break flex lines must be lengthened or moved. Will
steering components need to be replaced? If anyone has done this
conversion how did you like it afterwards. All coments welcome.

Jim Hall 
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:14:54
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

 	Can see absolutely no benefit to a spring over unless you'd like your
rover to look like a j**p that some high school drop out has gotten hold
of.    
	There are extended shackles as used on Australian Army Series Rovers 
which
give a 1" plus lift.  If you want still more height, Parabolic springs will
give you nearly a 1" lift and much better articulation to make use of the
increased axle/frame clearance.  If you go any higher than that, the CG
will be so high that you'd be exposing the greasy side on any serious off
road adventure.  Also, the rear axle limit straps are there to prevent
messing up the drive shaft universals, especially on an 88.  At full
extension on the straps, the universal yoke is just a hair away from
contacting the flange on the 88.  I also hear that there is a wedge that
goes under the springs on the front to reduce the angle of the drive shaft
on the Australian Rovers.  
  	A spring over would require a lot more than just lengthening the brake
lines.  You would also have to cut off the spring pads and re weld them on
the top of the axles and possibly problems with the steering components.  
		Please sell your rover to someone who appreciates its 
functionality, as
is, if you have to have a 'poser' truck.  Jeeps are plentiful and need all
that bull shit to be useful in the real stuff. 
	By the way, I'd recommend the parabolics to any one contemplating 
serious
off road work.  The improved articulation is like night and day.  The ride
is also improved. 

Aloha Peter

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From: WHOOLIGAN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:39:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Portland Show

Sorry for the delay we've been out of town....

<<RL-52, Series 1's: 1st-John Woodhead (1951 80" Ser1), 2nd-Bill Rice (51 S1),
John and Lisa Middleton (57 LWB).>>
Lisa's last name is Britt & their truck is a 88" not a 109"

<<RL-53, Series II/IIA 88": 1st-David Walker (1970), 2nd-Gord'n and Stefani
Perrott(1962), 3rd-Dan Mallchok(1968).>>
Andy(1962 SWB) is mine and my last name is Cushing.

<<RL-54, Series II/IIA 109": 1st-Tony and Linda(1967), 2nd-Charles
Kellogg(64pu), 3rd-Todd Marccum(1967).>>
Tony & Linda's last name is Starbird.

<<A number of class changes may make the show better in the future, including:
Move Rover cars to class RL-51, so that they are displayed in front of the
Land Rovers, rather than hidden behind. Introduce RL-59 as the Dormobile
class, since we get as many Dormobiles as cars and Series I's.>>

I agree!!

Stefani Cushing</PRE></HTML>

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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:43:48 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: Brake bleed nipples

"Bryn Hackland" wrote:
> Anyone got a method for removing corroded in and rounded bleed nipples that 
> just refuse to budge.

I bet they'd move during being drilled out with an anticlockwise drill bit.

I will have to get as set of these soon, however i'll also have to get a nice 
new drill 
with the reverse facility :-(
 
> Can't even seem to get a drill int the space to drill it out.

Take it out and stick it in a vice (vise) !

Cheers,

Paul.

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