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From: Peter Thoren <peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Tue, 01 Jan 1980 01:46:52 -0100
Subject: gearbox bearings

I am about to pull the gearbox in order to change the bearings and I would
like to consult to collected wisdom of this list. I have been asking
questions about my whining gearbox and now I have desided that it must be a
bearing. This is little surprising though since the PO told me the gearbox
was changed for a rebuilt one in a LR workshop in England. This might be a
stupid question but when you get a rebuilt gearbox would that also include
the bellhousing? The reason I ask is of course if the layshaft and primary
pinion bearings in the bellhousing are likely to have been changed or not.
Reading my green bible it seems a much easier job to change these compared
to changing the mainshaft and layshaft bearings in the back of the gearbox.
Would I be stupid not to change also the rear bearings whilst the gearbox
is out of the car? Anything else that I should change whilst the box is out? 

By the way, I removed the rear propeller shaft at the transmission brake
and when I pulled it aside there were some gearbox oil pouring out. What
could be the source of this oil and does it matter much?

All the best,

Peter 
**********************************************************
Peter Thoren, PhD
1975 series 3 109" Stw Diesel
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se
**********************************************************

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 8:06:27 -0400
Subject: Re: I love silicon

This 'slumping' silicone can be found on the shelf right next to the 
t-case PTOs and capstan winch drive shafts at your local Unobtanium 
store. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:15:46 +0100
Subject: Strap on traction

\But I certainly wouldnt go for a pure road pattern due to the distinct
\possibility of extreme embarrasment getting stuck on a wet,grassy,slick,
\but otherwise dead level field..

Ah. But I have some very old and very useful piecesof kit. They are like 
individual tractor treads which strap thru teh holes in the wheel. A couple of 
them per wheel takes about 20 seconds to fit........I ahve some chains that 
work in a similar way - a shor loop of chain and a wheelslot strap - far more 
practical and FAR cheaper for most uses than fancy right-round-the-
circumference jobs.

I've never seen either of these things again in hte last couple of decades. 
Anyone out there who has? I'd quite like to get a few more.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:37 -0400
Subject: RE: Badges

<<  and the SII is one of the dead cars. >>

 No change there then! ;)

 Paul

 Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:45

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Where to get Parabolics?

<< Where is everybody getting the parabolic springs they keep 
commenting on? >>

I got my Parabolic Front Springs for my 88 inch SIII petrol from 

   Chris Perfect Components
   
    Pant Y Nos, Cellan,
     Lampeter, Ceredigion
      SA48 8HL 
       Wales
       
     Fax/ Tel:01570 - 423206.
     
   They cost £238 but that includes U-Bolts & shackles enough to do the 
 whole vehicle & V.A.T. & delivery. (The rear springs for the SWB are 
currently out of stock).
   
   I will let you all know how much of a job fitting them is, and also 
what improvements in ride & handling I get.
   
   Yesterday I was handed the keys of my workplace`s latest vehicle, a 
Defender Tdi County SWB. It had just arrived from the dealer with only 
27 miles on the clock.
   
   It is:quick accelerating, quiet, comfortable, has good brakes and 
excellent steering.
   
   I got out, checked the badging, definitely says Land Rover. I was 
confused, because it was a lot like my wifes Mitsubishi Shogun to 
drive..
   
   When I got back in my SIII I became even more determined to replace 
those rusty old leaf springs. And I called B.J.Accoustics for a 
soundproofing kit, since my ex-Coastguard Landie has bare metal floors!
   
      

Paul

 Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:05

 Using Virtual Access
 3.52 build 159c (32-bit) Win95

 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Pub

<< surely the Pub would be the Coil and Leaf and be situated on Four 
Wheel Drive. >>

   "Leaf & Coil" would be more appropriate (historically speaking).
   
   How about "Parabolic & Airspring"...

 Paul

 Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:46

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Sealing the roof...silicone?

<<  It's use implies pure bodge >>

 Which is, of course, why we use it on Boeings .... :)

 Paul

 Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:03

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:22:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Idling Madness (& vac./manifold leaks?)

In a message dated 9/9/98 11:39:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pmk11@cornell.edu
writes:

<< Mine is 'popping' bad on a hard overrun >>

Peter, 

I would suspect an exhaust leak.  Air gets in to burn excess fuel vapor and
makes the popping sound.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:50 EDT
Subject: Re: gearbox bearings

In a message dated 9/10/98 8:00:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se writes:

<< By the way, I removed the rear propeller shaft at the transmission brake
 and when I pulled it aside there were some gearbox oil pouring out. What
 could be the source of this oil and does it matter much? >>

There is an oil seal at the back of the speedo housing.  It is probably toast.
Not to worry, it can be easily accessed:

If you remove the cotter pin and castle nut on the transmission brake (and
disconnect the rod to it) you can remove the transmission brake as a unit from
the back of the speedo housing.  There you will see the seal which needs
replacing.

Good Luck

Nate

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:53:54 +0200
Subject: Pub names

The cracked head
The sump

I would propose that our pub is fitted with Series seats - ripped and
all!

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:55:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Strap on traction

individual tractor treads which strap thru teh holes in the wheel. A couple of
>them per wheel takes about 20 seconds to fit..
Yeah,I know Andy,but it doesnt do a lot for the image,does it?

Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:27:19 -0500
Subject: Pub Names
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One digester with a vote  for Bloody Knuckles!

Lee Dunkelberg
94 d-90
98 Defender
San Antonio, Texas

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From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:24:32 -0400
Subject: RE: Pub names

Hi Adrian,

How about the Rand Lover Club? If we're not driving, we must be drinking.

Thanks again for the information about how long it should take to change
clutch cylinders. The mechanic took ten hours and couldn't understand why I
thought that was excessive. (He didn't even set the pedal height.) The good
news is that my lovely wife is more willing to let me get out the tools
myself.

Joel Baskin 
(63 hardtop, some smoke from the ears)
1966 88" Zebramobile

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 06:47:43 -0700
Subject: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

>Another badge is born.... or not.
>There was a thread started today on the LRO about an appropriate name for a
>pub for LR enthusiasts.  At least, that's what I've gathered.
>David Walker threw out the name "Bloody Knuckles Pub" and it seems to be
>widely accepted.  Once a winner is chosen by the committee at large (ie the
>list), David seems to be going down the road to work up some art work and
>order badges.

Interesting.. I know David to be a good Land Rover mechanic and here he 
is making a suggestion of bloody knuckles...

Like everyone else I have gone through a time of learning when I 
frequently had scraped knuckles keeping my car on the road.  But over 
time I have come to look at bloody or scrapped knuckles to be like knee 
scabs on a 2 year old... a part of learning how to turn a wrench but 
something you only see on an experienced person when they got careless.

The LRO mail list has had an official logo since soon after the group's 
beginning. The group logo is shaped like a European rally plate, has a 
green 88 with a soft top facing a green with white top 109 against an AA 
yellow background.  There is a compass rose between and above the two 
Rovers.  Along the top arch was the group mail address 
"land-rover-owner@team.net"

I have always thought that this would make a super grill badge or full 
size plate for the centre top of the roof rack.  

Lately a new version has shown up that is the "official logo" of both the 
series and coiler mail lists. It is basically the same badge only the 
cars have been changed.  On the left is a green early 80 in 3/4 front 
view on the left is a new style Range Rover in front 3/4 view.  The 
wording across the top reads "WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net"

If David is going to go to the trouble of making a badge for the world 
wide lists, wouldn't it make sense to use the "official" group logo 
instead of inventing something that only has meaning to the people who 
have been reading the "pub" thread???????

I would like to see both the original and updated group logos made into 
grill badges and maybe even plates.  Being both a leaf spring owner and 
one of the people who was on the mail list when it split off from the 
original british car mail list, I would dearly love to have a badge with 
the original leaf spring official group logo.

We already have a real nice group logo.  Why not use the real one instead 
of making something up on the fly???????

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:01:39 +0100
Subject: RE: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

I;m with TerriAnn here... I like the logos too... would love to see
them as a badge. never thought about the rally plates, though.
That would be interesting, but all of us have grills (I think =:),
but not all of us have racks....

-Scott

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:51:45 +1000
Subject: The great thing about all this rubbish

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>It may be a pub with no beer - but the company is great,
>and the conversation is terrific.
>Maybe we should start a new thread - off-topic of course -
>to name this pub.

Well, Adrian, there is a famous Australian song which I'm sure you've heard.
It's called "The Pub with no Beer"

Charles  Wolfe wrote:

>Very well said, Adrian.  You are welcome at my house for
>a beer anytime

No good coming to mine.  I never have any beer in the house - I never think
to buy it 'cos I rarely drink it.  Not even at Christmas.  But you can come
for a wine.

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:31:49 -0400
Subject: Cool sighting

In Lime Rock last WE saw a red '91 110 pickup.  almost no miles on it
(only under cover of darkness probably :)
real nice!
rgds
Jan

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From: Devin Anderson <devin.anderson@haledorr.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:48 -0400
Subject: Seat Belts

I'm looking for a couple of simple lap seat-belts for the rear seats
(not the jump seats in the tub)in my Series III 109 station wagon.  Has
anyone ever substituted belts from another type of car/truck instead of
getting genuine Rover seat-belts?  Because the installation appears
simple, it would seem that a junkyard might have plenty of lap belts
that would work; I'm curious if anyone could recommend a specific
model/make of a vehicle to scrap from.  Thanks in advance.

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:42:33 EDT
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish (bit o' content)

the ladder was in its 12' state, and supriseing enough I did not get a flat.
Lets hear it for the BFG's! 

Rover on...

Steve 

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:54:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Doors

Chris Stevens wrote:
> My door (and I know of others
> with the same affliction) seems to come unlatched while just driving along.
> No bumps or anything. It just pops. I've attributed this to a weakend
> spring in the door latch mechanism. Any thoughts? Can one just replace the
> spring?

	Mine has done this also, but only on the passenger side. The passenger
side door shuts really tight. I believe that as the body flexes from
bumps, the latch slowly gets pushed back in. One of these days I plan on
loosening the catch a little so this won't happen. I don't nkow if a
spring helps or not, but it sure wouldn't hurt.

	Jim Hall
	Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:57:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Idling Madness

If you have a break booster you might have a vacuum leak there.
Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

Chris Stevens wrote:
> I'll repost this question again since it must've missed the first go-around.
> My SIIA (petrol, Zenith IVE) idles fine when I pull to a stop. Then, for no
> reason whatsoever, the thing just "idles down" to the point where the
> engine nearly dies. I've adjusted the idle screw to no avail. Is this a
> timing chain, Carb, distributor thing? I'm about ready to give up.

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:15:30 -0600
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

>Any one really serious?

Yes David I am.  But I agree with Teri-Ann that one of the existing LRO
designs would be more appropriate.  Regardless, you can put me down for two.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "Stude, Herman L." <hermans@krts.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:24:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

Rick Grant wrote:

 >Any one really serious?

Put me down for one, and I like TAW's ideas on using the existing
artwork, too.

Herman

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:32:38 EDT
Subject: Re:  Seat Belts

In a message dated 9/10/98 10:41:56 AM, you wrote:

<<Because the installation appears
simple, it would seem that a junkyard might have plenty of lap belts
that would work; I'm curious if anyone could recommend a specific
model/make of a vehicle to scrap from.>>

 Early 110 CSW?

--pat.

ps: in all seriousness, you could probably get a decent used set from some of
the advertisers in LROI/LRW who "re-configure" land rovers for clients; ie:
they may take a 110 CSW and turn it into a Pick Up with a tray bed, for
example...  

What's the point of getting *seat belts* of unknown origin and history from a
"junk yard", I mean these things are meant to save your (or a loved one's)
life, it isn't as if you are debating on whether or not to buy a second hand
window frame or gear shift knob...

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Idling Madness

Chris Stevens wrote:
> I'll repost this question again since it must've missed the first go-around.
> My SIIA (petrol, Zenith IVE) idles fine when I pull to a stop. Then, for no
> reason whatsoever, the thing just "idles down" to the point where the
> engine nearly dies. I've adjusted the idle screw to no avail. Is this a
> timing chain, Carb, distributor thing? I'm about ready to give up.

 It is probably a carb problem. I would suspect a slight leak of the
needle valve causing the fuel level in the float bowl to rise when
little fuel is needed. This in turn will result in a rich idle condition
that the idle air mixture valve will be unable to correct no matter how
you adjust it.
    John and Muddy

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:40:07 EDT
Subject: Re:  LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

In a message dated 9/10/98 9:46:48 AM, you wrote:

<<Lately a new version has shown up that is the "official logo" of both the 
series and coiler mail lists. It is basically the same badge only the 
cars have been changed.  On the left is a green early 80 in 3/4 front 
view on the left is a new style Range Rover in front 3/4 view.  The 
wording across the top reads "WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net">>

What a coincidence, I'm wearing that logo on the back of a t-shirt right now.
Got it at GP courtesy of BillC (many thanks, again, Bill)...

It generates many questions from techies and owners when I wear it to the
dealership, and it is one of the few shirts I won't let near the bottom of the
truck.

--pat.

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:47:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Seat Belts

At 10:38 AM 10/09/98 -0400, Devin Anderson, wrote

>simple, it would seem that a junkyard might have plenty of lap belts
>that would work; I'm curious if anyone could recommend a specific
>model/make of a vehicle to scrap from. 

I used the rear lap belts from a 1986 Hyundai Pony but just about any
lapbelt would work I'd think.  I just bolted them down through the rear
benches with five inch squares of thick aluminum as backing plates for the
nuts, which I am ashamed to admit I coated liberally with silicone as a rust
preventer.  

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:53:33 +0100
Subject: Re: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

> The LRO mail list has had an official logo since soon after the group's
> beginning.

> I have always thought that this would make a super grill badge or full
> size plate for the centre top of the roof rack.

Yes I like that logo too. I once printed it out on a colour printer with a view
to laminating it and putting it in the window, but the printer wasn't very good
so it didn't look right. After that I wasn't sure of the copyright situation
else I might have tried to get some car stickers done of it.
Is this a goer then or what?

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:03:27 -0500
Subject: RE: Pub - Grill Badges

>Rick Grant wrote:
> >Any one really serious?

I would get one too, no matter which logo is finally used.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:13:34 -0400
Subject: RE: Seat Belts

	Saab seat belts are the same OEM as the retractable LR bits you can
order from RN and others.  I got mine from a junked (not wrecked) mid 80s
Saab 900, for 10 bucks...try to avoid a wrecked vehicle in preference to a
junked one, that way the belts/mountings have not been 'stressed'...

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From: chris stevens <chrisste@clark.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Idling Madness

I do have vacuum assisted brakes. How does one test vacuum in a LR? I have a
vacuum guage (Sears Best), but don't know where to start. Could it be the vacuum
advance on the distributor?

jimfoo@uswest.net wrote:

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:18:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Seat Belts

Regarding your request for lap belts, I sourced some combination lap-shoulder
retracting which go into the same places as the LR belts. They were intended
for Show Cars here in the States.  If you have an interest, let me know.
about $89.00US.

Zack Arbios

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:58 -0400
Subject: RE: Seat Belts

Re: "Stressed" belts:

Seatbelts have a webbing section down at the un-reeled end that is designed to
part when exposed to severe stress and expose a "used" label, for want of
another term. Any like that I would stay well away from.

Personally, the inertia-reel belts that are in Mr. Churchill came out of a J**P,
I am ashamed to say. They bolted right onto the LR mounts in the pickup cab with
no problems.

The J-thing they came out of had been wrecked, but the smashed windshield
informed me the belts had never been used...

                    ajr

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:52:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Idling Madness

From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Idling Madness

>My SIIA (petrol, Zenith IVE) idles fine when I pull to a stop. Then,
for no
reason whatsoever, the thing just "idles down" to the point where the
engine nearly dies. I've adjusted the idle screw to no avail. Is this a
timing chain, Carb, distributor thing? I'm about ready to give up.

It sounds to me as though you are suffering from the famous "Zenith
Warp."  For a variety of reasons, poor design and poor heat treating
being two of them, the upper half of the Zenith carburetor tends to warp
over time.  A big contributor to this problem is the lack of a fifth
connecting bolt at the rear of the carburetor, which is where the warp
occurs.  When this happens, a gap forms between the upper and lower
halves of the carburetor which is too wide to be sealed by the big joint
gasket.  This is not a problem when you are running at speed.  But when
you stop, particularly facing uphill, but it also happens on level
ground, the low manifold pressure at idle will pull fuel out of the
float bowl past the gasket and down at least one orifice and maybe more,
that bypass the idle jet.  The result is an extremely rich mixture at
idle which loads the engine down to the point where it will barely run.
If you stop facing downhill, this may not happen as the fuel is at the
front of the float bowl and is a little less likely to be pulled down
the offending orifice(s), which are aft of the bowl.

There are several cures.  One is to replace the carburetor with one that
isn't warped, or hasn't warped yet.  Another is to disassemble your
carburetor and "grind" the mating surfaces flat again with the
appropriate grit paper on a piece of plate glass.  You can replace the
Zenith with a Weber or a Rochester, both of which have advantages and
disadvantages as compared to the Zenith.  I ran a Rochester for a few
years with pretty good luck, but I eventually went back to the Zenith.
You can use a bit of rubber to plug the orifice that allows fuel to be
pulled past the idle.  However, this should be combined with grinding
the mating surfaces flat, as fuel can leak past the joint gasket in
other ways, too.  You can do what I did after going through two or three
Zeniths and have a clamp manufactured which holds the two halves of the
carburetor together in the rear, which is where the designers should
have put a fifth connecting bolt but didn't.  This seems to keep the
carburetor from warping: at least I haven't had the problem in the
fifteen years or so since I did this.  But it was expensive and a pain
in the butt and I don't know that I'd go to the bother again.  A new
carburetor is probably cheaper.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT)

For Sale: 1958 Series I, 2litre diesel, canvas, bronze green (original
paint) little rust (spent most of its life in Arabia), fresh motor
professionally rebuilt in the UK, over $4000 in parts and labor(have
receipts) imported into the US July1998, new MOT and all the customs
paperwork to title in any state. Located in Maine. $9500

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
POB 352, Machiasport
Maine, USA, 04655
207-255-8802

The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
Therefore, only left handed people are in their right mind.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:38:35 EDT
Subject: -

unsubscribe lro

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From: james spence <spencejames@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Getting out of Chicago!

Greetings to one and all,I've sent this message out on the general LRO
list but it's actually only aimed at anyone in the Chicago area.You
may have received a message from me (via a fellow Land Rover owner,who
has been very helpful to me - Bill Caloccia).I am the English guy
waiting for my 110 Landie to arrive at Norfolk,Va.on Sept.19th but at
the moment I'm stuck in Chicago.If any of you guys is a truck-driver
or otherwise heading down to the Virginia area I would appreciate a
lift!I flew into L.A.Cal.and managed to get a car delivery as far as
here(Chicago)but am finding it difficult to get another car to be
delivered East of here.I don't really want to take a bus or train or
plane 1)because of the cost,and 2)I don't like to travel in a
conventional way!Any suggestions would be considered(as long as they
are physically possible and not rude!).
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who sent
welcoming messages and offers of hospitality(most of which included
talking Land Rovers over a beer or two - my kind of people!).When I
have more cheap or free access to the internet,then I will have more
time for individual replies.So far I have had 20 replies - I can't
believe how many people over here(USA)are on the internet AND Land
Rover owners!
Hope to meet you folks down in Virginia shortly.

   James Spence     ____     spencejames@yahoo.com

p.s.I do not subscribe to the list,can I ask that any replies be
copied to me directly. 

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From: Devin Anderson <devin.anderson@haledorr.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:45:21 -0400
Subject: seat belts

I'm looking for a couple of simple lap seat-belts for the rear seats
(not the jump seats in the tub)in my Series III 109 station wagon.  Has
anyone ever substituted belts from another type of car/truck instead of
getting genuine Rover seat-belts?  Because the installation appears
simple, it would seem that a junkyard might have plenty of lap belts
that would work; I'm curious if anyone could recommend a specific
model/make of a vehicle to scrap from.  Thanks in advance.

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:04:23 +0100
Subject: who to get permission from?

I'm sure there won't be any problem  finding people who want them...

we just need to find out who to ask about using the logo...

Anyone have any idea...

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:59:53 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub names

>I would propose that our pub is fitted with Series seats - ripped and
>all!

The pub that some of us use in the Staffs and Shrops to drink in every
other Thursday has the most uncomfortable seats I have ever sat on worse
than an early series1 and they are ripped to shreds as well.

-- 
andy Smith
bla bla bla 

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:15:53 -0400
Subject: silicone

Spoke to a guy I know over at GE Silicone Manufacturing about a
self-leveling silicone.
They DO make this product and it is available in the US...HOWEVER...you
can't use it on Anything Galvanized as it will corrode and eat it, not a
good thing to use for sealing  the cracks in the roof where the galv.
piece meets the aluminum
FWIW... the Ge product number is RTV-110. and is available only to
industrial accounts.
Rgds
Steve Bradke  68 series lla	
              96 Discovery

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

In a message dated 10/09/98 02:55:55 BST, you write:

 The badges are the best in quality I have ever seen! If anyone is really
 interested, get back to me........if there is enough interest, I will work
 up art samples.
 
 The price above is based on a small numbered run - 30 to 50 badges.
 
 Any one really serious? >>

I'm interested - I'll start saving up for the postal cost to the UK :-(>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:28 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

In a message dated 10/09/98 02:55:55 BST, you write:

 The badges are the best in quality I have ever seen! If anyone is really
 interested, get back to me........if there is enough interest, I will work
 up art samples.
 
 The price above is based on a small numbered run - 30 to 50 badges.
 
 Any one really serious? >>

I'm interested - I'll start saving up for the postal cost to the UK :-(>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub

In a message dated 10/09/98 09:53:00 BST, you write:

 What has the list got against me?!
 
 Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - Comfortable and Powerful!
  >>
work it out for yourself, Neil, :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub Names

In a message dated 10/09/98 14:30:12 BST, you write:

 One digester with a vote  for Bloody Knuckles!
 
 Lee Dunkelberg >>
nice one Lee, by the way, sorry about the Alamo, dash poor show....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:56 EDT
Subject: Re: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

In a message dated 10/09/98 14:46:48 BST, you write:

<<  I have come to look at bloody or scrapped knuckles to be like knee 
 scabs on a 2 year old... a part of learning how to turn a wrench but 
 something you only see on an experienced person when they got careless. >>
I've printed that and am off outside to show it to my exhaust - it is
obviously not experienced enough......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:58 EDT
Subject: Re: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

In a message dated 10/09/98 14:55:03 BST, you write:

<<  I like the logos too.. >>
anyone got a jpeg of those, I've never seen 'em...

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Its *our* turn to laff,now....

In a message dated 10/09/98 10:01:45 BST, you write:

<< In this mornings Times,it seems that Lucas Verity is to become
 an American company.Gentlemen,warm beer is on its way,and all
 the Uncle Joe jokes are on *you* lot now......:-) >>

Phew, does this mean I can admit to having a mate who works at Lucas in
Burnley now?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:36:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Nameless Kirk

In a message dated 10/09/98 08:50:48 BST, you write:

<< why should he call his Land Rover after the Commer Imp van?
 >Singer Chamois Rule......... >>

it was a joke, Ron....
just showing off my knowledge of Rootes Group et al garnered by sharing a flat
for a short time in Stoke, Coventry and drinking with real Hillman enthusiasts
(on account of we couldn't afford to eat most of the time).
Sort of reminds me of Solihull (where I also spend a far bit of timelocally,
having family there). The guys who made 'em were real enthusiasts themselves -
just like Lode Lane.

also, the Singer Chamois was a private joke. My Fraser Imp used to "eat" a guy
in a Singer on the way to work in the late 60's. (although neither came close
to the Cooper S I graduated to)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:47:40 -0600
Subject: RE Pub Name

Hey All!!

The "Bloody Knuckles" sounds great to me-I figure if I don't bust at
least one knuckle when working on "The Beast" I ain't doing something
right!!!

Also , put me down for a Bodge-er, Badge!!

Art
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6339/
Guns and Rovers

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:13:21 EDT
Subject: Re:  who to get permission from?

Try:
caloccia@senie.com
or
majordomo-owner@...

for starters.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:16:40 EDT
Subject: Re:  silicone

In a message dated 9/10/98 2:16:50 PM, you wrote:

<<FWIW... the Ge product number is RTV-110. and is available only to
industrial accounts.>>

Kinda makes you wonder what RTV-88, RTV-90, RTV-101, RTV-109 and RTV-130
are...  

Anyone ever see a 130 on an RTV course? *Shunt, shunt, & shunt again?*

--pat.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:10:42 -0400
Subject: Fywheel housing

The ser 2 and 2A flywheel housings are interchangable and I can't see any
difference. Some of the 2's fitted with the 2 litre engine are  not
interchangable.
 Go with the one which is not cracked, or has the best studs.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:14:12 -0400
Subject: Flwheel housing

Nate writes   Anyways, I'll probably go with the old SII housing.  It's
steel not aluminium
and I think may be a bit hardier.

 We learn something new everyday, I have never seen a steel flywheel housing
on a Rover engine,  Is this an NA thing ?
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:15:55 -0400
Subject: Record 

Luis writes  This must be a record: 4 days of having the car for getting a
broken
half-shaft.

 Check that the diff lock is not engaged. 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William S. Kowalski" <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:16:17 -0400
Subject: Re---Getting out of Chicago!

Jim:
Before you go elsewhere, stick around in Chicago and attend the biggest all
British Car show in the USA.  On Sunday 9/13/98 at Oakton Community
College, Des Plaines, Illinois, USA, just North of O'Hare airport. We had
880 British cars last year, including about 60 Land-Rovers, and the way
registrations are coming in this year,  we should have close to 1000 this
year. Check out the web site 
<www.qth.com/bcu>  In fact, there is a Rally on Saturday to complete your
stay in the Chicago area, and then a social at the 94th Aero-Squadron
Resturant in Wheeling, Illinois. Everything is on the web page.

See you on Sunday

PS: Everyone is invited!!!!

Bill Kowalski
Hinsdale, Illinois

'67 Land-Rover IIA, 109"
'63 Austin-Healey "BJ-7"
'53 RR Bentley "R" (For sale----you can drive it toVirginia!!)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:52:10 EDT
Subject: Re:  Record for broken halfshaft

In a message dated 9/10/98 4:17:21 PM, you wrote:

<<Luis writes  This must be a record: 4 days of having the car for getting a
broken
half-shaft.>>

Bill Leacock answers:
 <<Check that the diff lock is not engaged.>>

He has a Toyota tranny & x-fer case in a D-90, and I believe that the Toyota
transfer case he has is not able to run in permanent 4WD, they don't have
open/lockable center diffs; if it is anything like the Toyotas we used to have
on our farm. (Slowly being replaced by LRs)

I suspect that his problem is a problem that has been compounded by time. Over
time, the 90 was run in 4wd High, & Low, and whenever 4wd was engaged, it
stressed the axles and diff, due to the fact that the center differential
"isn't open". Anyway, after x-years of 4wd being engaged and trying to turn,
etc., the axles (or splines) may have been over stressed/damaged, and maybe
that day was just the-day. A huge drawback of that system is that you can't
run in 4wd High on a paved road, say when it is raining and a trailer is being
towed...

So, it remains for L-M to pull his axles out and hava look... Hopefully it is
only an axle end or something easily slid back in to repair.

--pat.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:53:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Flwheel housing

In a message dated 9/10/98 4:16:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wleacock@pipeline.com writes:

<< Nate writes   Anyways, I'll probably go with the old SII housing.  It's
 steel not aluminium
 and I think may be a bit hardier.
 
  We learn something new everyday, I have never seen a steel flywheel housing
 on a Rover engine,  Is this an NA thing ? >>

No.  This was originally a British Import about 8 years ago.  I assume it is
steel since it does not appear to be forged like the SIIa flywheel housing (no
ribs on the outside surface).  It is a disc of metal, smooth as if turned on
its outer surface and and flat and smooth on the side facing the engine.  It
looks like the SII housings I've seen in pictures in LRO, though I haven't had
a chance to see someone else's close up.  I guess it could be aluminium but
with it's smooth surfaces which almost appear lathed, I assumed (probably
wrongly) it was steel.

Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:56:53 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re---Getting out of Chicago!

In a message dated 9/10/98 5:19:49 PM, you wrote:

<<Bill Kowalski
Hinsdale, Illinois

'67 Land-Rover IIA, 109"
'63 Austin-Healey "BJ-7"
'53 RR Bentley "R" (For sale----you can drive it toVirginia!!)>>

Is there a website for the Bentley? My dad is looking for just that car... He
sold a 52 Mercedes Sedan that was his previous "consular car", and misses
having a great vehicle. If you don't sell it at the meet, maybe I'll send you
a disposable camera to take some snaps?? Why the Sale?

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:59:08 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Flwheel housing

In a message dated 9/10/98 5:56:35 PM, you wrote:

<<I guess it could be aluminium but
with it's smooth surfaces which almost appear lathed, I assumed (probably
wrongly) it was steel.>>

You have a pre-production titanium housing. Shortages at the time forced the
factory to stop making them. Offer it to Rover's North for $$$ or a tdi ;-)

--pat.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:58:58 -0500
Subject: RE: Flwheel housing

Eliminate any doubt, Try a magnet.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

>In a message dated 9/10/98 4:16:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>wleacock@pipeline.com writes:
><< Nate writes   Anyways, I'll probably go with the old SII housing.  It's
> steel not aluminium
> and I think may be a bit hardier.
>  We learn something new everyday, I have never seen a steel flywheel

housing
> on a Rover engine,  Is this an NA thing ? >>
>No.  This was originally a British Import about 8 years ago.  I assume it
><< Nate writes   Anyways, I'll probably go with the old SII housing.  It's
> steel not aluminium
is
>steel since it does not appear to be forged like the SIIa flywheel housing
(no
>ribs on the outside surface).  It is a disc of metal, smooth as if turned
on
>its outer surface and and flat and smooth on the side facing the engine.
It
>looks like the SII housings I've seen in pictures in LRO, though I haven't
had
>a chance to see someone else's close up.  I guess it could be aluminium but
>with it's smooth surfaces which almost appear lathed, I assumed (probably
>wrongly) it was steel.
>Nate
> and I think may be a bit hardier.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:48 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re:  Re---Getting out of Chicago!

Whoops! That was wayyy off-topic, and I meant to send it to Bill, directly. 

One Thousand Apologies, and one more.

--pat.

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: The Virtual Pub

I sent two to the list yesterday that never showed up.

At 07:47 AM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote:

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Badges

That U2 video was filmed here in Kansas City.  The series vehicle was Lee
Garrett's.  He showed up to be an extra and they liked the vehicle so put it in.

At 04:23 PM 9/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:50:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Flwheel housing

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> No.  This was originally a British Import about 8 years ago.  I assume it is
> steel since it does not appear to be forged like the SIIa flywheel housing (no
> ribs on the outside surface).  It is a disc of metal, smooth as if turned on
> its outer surface and and flat and smooth on the side facing the engine.  It
> looks like the SII housings I've seen in pictures in LRO, though I haven't had
> a chance to see someone else's close up.  I guess it could be aluminium but
> with it's smooth surfaces which almost appear lathed, I assumed (probably
> wrongly) it was steel.

The spare in my kitchen is just like Nate describes, and is Al.  It looks
like it was cast and then machined.  

david

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:51:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Flwheel housing

 lgutierr@jccr.co.cr writes:

<< Eliminate any doubt, Try a magnet. >>

So armed with this information, the intrepid rover mechanic heads out to the
housing in doubt to perform the "Gutierrez Test".

Results are as follows:

Magnet sticks to galvanized frame = steel
Magnet sticks to engine block, but poorly = grime covered steel
Magnet slowly slides off bellhousing= oily aluminium
Magnet drops like a rock off the flywheel housing= not steel.  Ergo probably
aluminium.

It's science man! Don't argue with it.

Thanks all.

Nate

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:52:54
Subject: Pub

How about "The Smoking Lucas Arms" We could have a starter motor with nice
smoke comming from the rear.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:58:49
Subject: I love silicon

Thanks for the info on slumping and non-slumping, I am going to seal my top
with silicon. I did not know about these slumping etc. charactics.

Jim Wolf

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:00:23 -0600
Subject: high altitude and Zeniths

Maybe it's just me, but since moving from Knoxville, TN (200 ft) to
Missoula, MT (3500 ft) Sidney seems more anemic than usual (or maybe the
hills are just bigger 8-). Anyhow, I seem to remember reading somewhere
that higher altitude requires a different diam. jet to run properly. Anyone
care to elaborate? Is it the decreased air pressure or less/more oxygen in
the air? What about timing, any adjustments that may help there? O.K. I'll
shut up and let the former perts take over.

-joseph and sidney
Missoula, MT

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: who to get permission from?

>I'm sure there won't be any problem  finding people who want them...
>we just need to find out who to ask about using the logo...
>Anyone have any idea...

Bill C. ownes the rights to the designs.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:15:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: high altitude and Zeniths

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Joseph Broach wrote:

> hills are just bigger 8-). Anyhow, I seem to remember reading somewhere
> that higher altitude requires a different diam. jet to run properly. Anyone
> care to elaborate? Is it the decreased air pressure or less/more oxygen in

At altitude, the atmospheric presure is lower.  That means that per unit
volume, there are fewer moles of gas.  If you continue to supply the same
amount of fuel, your mixture will go rich.  Get too rich and the power
just goes away.  At low atmospheric pressure, you can generally advance
the timing some, which can help make up for the reduced power output of
the engine.  

Modern EFI engines have a mass/density airflow sensor, which detects
changes in air pressure, and adjusts the fuel supply accordingly.  Some of
them are even bright enough that they can cope with a non-stock
supercharger.

David

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:23:22 -0500
Subject: Broken Half-Shaft

Guess what?

It was a long broken Half-Shaft.
Both ones had been soldered twice each. One one of those the long one broke.
And I discovered a new bug, But I'll tell you later.
Bye.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:31:46 +0200
Subject: Re: who to get permission from?

I seem to remember that the logo with two rovers on it was designed by
Søren Vels here in Denmark - he is a member of the list and can be
contacted at -

dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk

hope this helps...

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com

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From: David Scott <birddog@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:46:38 -0600
Subject: zenith carb

prince charles with his new zenith carb on top of a new turner engine seems to 
be running a bit rich (may be in his blood).  I have the hole at the base 
plugged, and the carb has been sitting on top of ole turner now for a year 
before I restarted it ( after they restarted my heart).  could I have a stuck 
float. 
The black smoke is offensive even to the peasant driving it.  Please help the 
birddog while you still can.  Peace birddog

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:51:01
Subject: LRW Dec. 1996

Hi all, I have been going through my past issues of LROI and LRW. I have a
question regarding Jeff Meyer's article. It's the one about "Dead Horse
Gulch"On page 77 at the top, the caption is about Bruce's (Fowler?) dog
Hilda. Does anyone know Bruce? The question that I have for him, is Hilda a
Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever or Toller for short? If anyone knows
Bruce or Hilda or if Bruce is on the list please e-mail me off the list. I
have two of these wonderful dogs.

Jim Wolf

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:53:12 EDT
Subject: Grill badge order

Go ahead and put me down for one, but I, too, like TA's idea for using the
orig logo (certainly NOT the one w/ the Rangie!--maybe for subscribers to the
other list, but not for this one).

Bill Rice

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:23:42 EDT
Subject: Re:  Broken Half-Shaft

In a message dated 9/10/98 7:31:29 PM, you wrote:

<<And I discovered a new bug, But I'll tell you later.
Bye.>>

We already have the new bug here in the states. In fact, my neighbor got
one...

But the suspense grows, Luis... tell us more...

--pat,

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:29:04 EDT
Subject: Re:  Grill badge order

In a message dated 9/10/98 7:55:50 PM, you wrote:

<<Go ahead and put me down for one, but I, too, like TA's idea for using the
orig logo (certainly NOT the one w/ the Rangie!--maybe for subscribers to the
other list, but not for this one).>>

I'll wager that only the "cross-subscribed" members of the other list really
know what a grille badge is. The rest probably think a Grill Badge is
something that says "WEBER" (not the carb) or "Sears" or something... or that
plastic "land rover muddy oval" thing on the front...

--pat.

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:00:48 -0300
Subject: Re: LRW Dec. 1996

James Wolf wrote:
> Hi all, I have been going through my past issues of LROI and LRW. I have a
> question regarding Jeff Meyer's article. It's the one about "Dead Horse
> Gulch"On page 77 at the top, the caption is about Bruce's (Fowler?) dog
> Hilda. Does anyone know Bruce? The question that I have for him, is Hilda a
> Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever or Toller for short? If anyone knows
> Bruce or Hilda or if Bruce is on the list please e-mail me off the list. I
> have two of these wonderful dogs.

Hilda is a Golden Retreiver and is a very friendly pup who loves
everyone.
   John and Muddy

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:56:16 -0600
Subject: Regarding Tires

Okay, here's my 2cts. worth

I have run my SII 88 2.25 on 215-85 16" Radials (Load Range
D) for the past 8 years.  They have been great tires, and
being a common truck tire they have always been somewhat
inexpensive.  The AT's work fine off-road, and as I have put
100 miles a day on the Dinosaur (gone through only two sets)
the road noise is not to severe.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:10:52 -1000
Subject: Re: high altitude and Zeniths

I don't know enough about the Zenith.  But the Rochester needs to be
re-jetted or tuned to comp for the altitude.  You might have to look at
doing both.  And Yes the hills are bigger here than in TN.  Not only is it
the Big Sky Country but you are not to far west of the Rockies and the
Continental Divide.  Plus any place out of Missoula is uphill.

Roy

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From: trowe@ibm.net
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 98 21:51:38      
Subject: Bye again for a bit

Well, I've gotta bugger off now for a while. We're getting our stuff together 
to move 
next week. Friday is my last day at work and I have to return the monitor I've 
been 
using so my computer won't be too useful until I buy one when I get to Atlanta.
By time you read this I'll be unsubscribed.

But I'll be back.
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Madison, WI 
trowe@ibm.net

Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible
	(Except Madison, WI)

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:12:07 -0600
Subject: That little dial on the dizzy

O.K., time for the dumb question of the day. Just exactly what does that
little advance/retard dial on the side of the dizzy do. My hunch is that
it's connected to the vacuum advance and doesn't affect static timing.
Please enlighten me as it's sooooo tempting to go out and play with it to
try and get some of my lost power back (from this darned altitude).

-joe and sidney
new residents of beautiful Missoula, MT

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:18:54 -0500
Subject: Re: That little dial on the dizzy 

In message <bulk.20254.19980910201128@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> O.K., time for the dumb question of the day. Just exactly what does that
> little advance/retard dial on the side of the dizzy do. My hunch is that
> it's connected to the vacuum advance and doesn't affect static timing.
> Please enlighten me as it's sooooo tempting to go out and play with it to
> try and get some of my lost power back (from this darned altitude).

	It advances or retards the timing by a little.  One of the manuals
mentions how to adjust for different octanes by turing this dial X rotations
in a certain direction.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:27:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: Halfshafts

They twist, then work harden, then snap (later):
   http://4wdonline.com/LandRover/Series/Mech/Axles.com

The fault usually is in the right foot

Lloyd

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:33:44 -0700
Subject: Zenith and altitude

On the last big trip that I did, I reset my Zenith for 6,000' and still got
my normal 21 miles per gallon. The Zenith does not need to be rejetted until
you have continuous operation over 8,000.......they were set up for an
average of 3,500' - you are well within that.

I have to agree with a few of the others - you better look hard at your
carb.
Also make sure that your LR is tuned properly
The last thing that you should play with is the adv/ret on the distributor
vacuum advance - you have a bigger problem that needs to BE SOLVED before
your try 'fancy' performance tuning. If you are good enough to know how to
do the fine tuning stuff, then you will have all the gross problems
corrected first.

Check your Dwell, timing, vacuum and fuel leaks on the carb.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:50:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Badge order

I'm interested in having the badge, but I'm not interested in having a
different badge for each list I'm on(3). Has anyone thought about
trying to make a combined badge for all the lists?
Smitty

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:24:27 +0000
Subject: Re: Its *our* turn to laff,now....

>Phew, does this mean I can admit to having a mate who works at Lucas in
>Burnley now?
Yes,but you'd better be quick Frank.There may not *be* a Lucas in
Burnley much longer.....

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:07:55 +0400 (EET DST)
Subject: bye

Signing off now. Hope to join back in Atlanta.

Semih Bingol
74 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:22:45 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub

Is that better Frank?! Tee Hee.....need my luxuries for the odd 1000 mile
round trip to Scotland in the winter! And to ferry a 2 year old a 3 month
old around + wife and all baby gubbins to see all my friends - I've lived in
too
many places, everyone lives 250 miles away from Northampton!!!! In ANY
direction!!!!!

SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - BNH 449S Salisbury Diff. Zenith Carb (<-
Maybe a trip to Cumbria for Christmas for her! - IF I can afford the
fuel!!!)

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:26:09 +0100
Subject: Hi Frank!

Is that better Frank?! Tee Hee.....need my luxuries for the odd 1000 mile
round trip to Scotland in the winter! And to ferry a 2 year old a 3 month
old around + wife and all baby gubbins to see all my friends - I've lived in
too
many places, everyone lives 250 miles away from Northampton!!!! In ANY
direction!!!!!

SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - BNH 449S Salisbury Diff. Zenith Carb (<-
Maybe a trip to Cumbria for Christmas for her! - IF I can afford the
fuel!!!)

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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:55:08 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Virtual pubs (As in Virtually no LR)

> 'The Aluminum Workhorse' is taken.

Does that mean we can have the 'Aluminium Workhorse' then. Sorry, Cheap shot ;-)

I've already proposed 'The Filthy Arms'

'The Driveshaft Bang' (Sorry Luis)
'The Seven Bells' As in 'knocking S B out of something'
'The Wych Way Inn' For Greenlaning
'The Padded Walls'
'The Bottomless Pit'
'The Hand On The Tiller'
'The Petrol Drinker'
'The Oil Burner'

Ok, no more from me in case I get castigated by BillC.

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:40:30 +0200
Subject: Re: Its *our* turn to laff,now....

Mike Rooth wrote:
> >Phew, does this mean I can admit to having a mate who works at Lucas in
> >Burnley now?
> Yes,but you'd better be quick Frank.There may not *be* a Lucas in
> Burnley much longer.....

Gives a whole new dimension to the phrase "will the last person to leave
kindly turn the lights off", being Lucas it's highly likely that the
lights never worked in any case :->

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:06:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Its *our* turn to laff,now....

 being Lucas it's highly likely that the
>lights never worked in any case :->

Either that,or the switch goes wrong,and no-one *can* turn the lights off.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:08:09 +0100
Subject: hi Frank.....third attempt - is the list okay recently?

Is that better Frank?! Tee Hee.....need my luxuries for the odd 1000 mile
round trip to Scotland in the winter! And to ferry a 2 year old a 3 month
old around + wife and all baby gubbins to see all my friends - I've lived in
too
many places, everyone lives 250 miles away from Northampton!!!! In ANY
direction!!!!!

SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - BNH 449S Salisbury Diff. Zenith Carb (<-
Maybe a trip to Cumbria for Christmas for her! - IF I can afford the
fuel!!!)

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