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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:05:22 EDT
Subject: Re: paints again

In a message dated 09/09/98 09:34:46 BST, you write:

 : Rover Dark Bronze Green' (sorry no number) which is a match for the Ser 1
Bronze
 : Green.
 
 Hi Frank,
 
 What is the source for this elixir in the UK ?  >>

Paul, I get mine from Steve Parker Land Rovers, near Rochdale.

Steve@sparkerlr.u-net.com

also available from all good motor factors. But be warned, bronze green
weathers summat awful, Not good for touching in.....but better than red
primer.
I touch in for a couple of years before painting the whole thing. Only takes
one litre for the 110 and goes on in a day normally.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:05:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Why ATF in LT77T?

In a message dated 08/09/98 23:38:07 BST, you write:

<< I ask because I changed the fluid today, and wondered what would happen if
I
 mistakenly put in gear-lube.
  >>
I got two stories when I bought my used five speed box.
It had gear oil in, I emptied it (thinking it was a mistake) put ATF in and it
poured out of every seal....

One mechanic said it had probably been put in to disguise the leaks.

Another said it might have been put in by mistake and blown the seals....

anyway the end result was it started leaking the EP90 after that and I lost
the gearbox after a highway drive.........

me and the seller - a dealer -  are still discussing it.........
(however, I'm doing it from a position of strength 'cos I got another gearbox,
which works fine,  and 'forgot' to pay him.......)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:06:37 -0400
Subject: Bolts

All:

After messing with the distributor I found the problem was a coating of
something on the points.  I cleaned them once but it obviously wasn't
enough.  My current quest is to find a set of connecting rod bolts for a
2.25 petrol engine.  RN quoted over $11 each, another place quoted about
$2.50 each but niether had the parts.  Are these things available at a
regular parts supply house?  If I had a spare I'd measure it and see.  Has
anybody had any experience out there?

Anybody on the list in Portugal?

Thanks - Steve (back on the road)

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:11:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Bolts

Steve,

These are a special bolt - they're made for the con-rod, or so it seemed to
me when I was recently examining them.

Did you think of trying the UK for a quick shipment? Probably be 50P each
there...

                    ajr

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:26:23 +0000
Subject: Re: paints again

>I touch in for a couple of years before painting the whole thing. Only takes
>one litre for the 110 and goes on in a day normally.
Got a good three inch brush then Frank?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:28:47 -0400
Subject: Re: paints again

>>I touch in for a couple of years before painting the whole thing. Only
takes
>>one litre for the 110 and goes on in a day normally.
>Got a good three inch brush then Frank?
>Cheers
>Mike Rooth

The scary bit is that he gets very good results this way....havent quite
figured out how, but he does.

               ajr

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:14:44 EDT
Subject: Re: my petrol STILL diesels

One of the local LROs is also a dedicated BMW motorcycle owner.  What he uses
to decoke both the bike and the Rover is OMC Engine Tuner.  It is an aerosol
used by boat owners to clean the carbon out of marine engines.  Bring the
engine up to temp and spray the cleaner into the intake while keeping the
engine running.  After using up the can, shut down the engine and let it set 8
to 16 hours.  On starting and initial operation, you get a bunch of black
smoke and a chemical odor.  Was a noted improvement in the performance of his
V8.

Can't speak from personal experience, but got a can this weekend and will try
it out on my 2.25 petrol over the coming weekend.  Stuff costs $6.00 USD and
is available at most marine supply houses.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:25:40 EDT
Subject: Re: paints again

In a message dated 09/09/98 12:27:31 BST, you write:

<< Got a good three inch brush then Frank? >>
hey Mike, I'm an artist - 2.5" brush if you please.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:25:41 EDT
Subject: Re: paints again

In a message dated 09/09/98 12:27:31 BST, you write:

<< Got a good three inch brush then Frank? >>
hey Mike, I'm an artist - 2.5" brush if you please.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:30:39 EDT
Subject: Re: The right to arm bears (NO LR Content)

In a message dated 98-09-08 20:33:07 EDT, you write:

<< Without real physical power to protect or overthrow (as the conditions
 warrant) their own government, the self-determinative power of the people is
 only a paper tiger >>

Amen, Brother!  This is why I get so pissed off when the Anti-gun crowd
decides a gun needs to be banned because it has "no sporting purpose".  

The Founding Fathers did not GUARANTEE our ability to arm ourselves so we
could protect ourselves against attacks by deer and sporting clays targets.  

Enzo    (actually, I prefer the brick in the burlap bag for my carry on
defense.  I don't have the stones to carry-on a pistol and a knife wont do
dick to protect my family.  I just look like I'm trick-or-treating on my walk
from the terminal to the car!)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:31:42 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: my petrol STILL diesels/decoking spray

In a message dated 9/9/98 9:26:35 AM, you wrote:

<<Was a noted improvement in the performance of his
V8.>>

Wow! That's one huge motorcycle...  ;-)

Do you know if his V8 was EFI w/ catalysts ie: NAS spec? Just wondering what
all that crap would do downstream should I try it one day...

--pat.

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:14:20 +0100
Subject: Bigger aint always better

Considering all the wibble about tyres here always is here, I have a suitably 
contradictory datapoint.

My 90 2.5na van came with 6.00 crossplies. It would top out at 75+ on a 
good day. I figured a switch to 205s would give better tyre life, handling, 
comfort, mpg etc. Tyre life was better, but mpg was just the same, comfort 
and handling was no diffferent, it takes a gorilla to park it and teh top speed 
dropped so it's hard to get the thing above 60. 40hp per ton really doesnt 
seem to like the extra width. (This gels with a guy who put 7.50s on his and 
reckons he couldnt get over 55)

Anyway - I've now worn out 2 of teh 205s (50k tyre life - good) so I've put on 
a 
pair of 6.00 Uniroyal R4 radials - an extreme road rib design for 7.5ton Merc 
vans. They look real skinny compared to teh 205s (even more so than the 
original Avons (with edge blocks) - but on teh way back from the tyre place, 
the whole vehicle feels noticeably less sluggish and the steering is light. And 
that's only with a pair in the front!

Wide tyres aint a great thing unless you have an engine.........

While this post isnt too applicable to modern 90s, which are more powqerful, 
it's pertinent to 88 owners

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:10:47 -0500
Subject: URGENT HELP needed

What are the simptoms when you have a rear broken half shaft?

Big clack sound from behind and power dropping by half?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:22:05 EDT
Subject: Flywheel housing question

Hi all,

Any collective wisdom on whether to use a SII flywheel housing or SIIa
flywheel housing in terms of strength, longevity, fit and finish, etc?  I have
one of each and don't know which to use (or if it matters really)

Thanks 

Nate

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:17:34 +0200
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:14:59 +0200
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

Andy Woodward wrote:

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:43:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Flywheel housing question

Re: Flywheel housing:

If it's an older engine that has the markings on the flywheel for max.
valve opening and the like I'd use the housing with the opening - there are
a good diagnostic tool.

Other than that, I think the newer one with the external ribs looks more
industrial cool - but it's 6 of 1 and a half-dozen of the other.

Either way, put on a later pulley and a 3-fingered marker for timing -
saves buggering around for the timing marks on the flywheel.

                         ajr

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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:39:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Tappet adjustment

Zaxcoinc@aol.com I think wrote:
> A small caution for measuring gap is that common feeler gauges can bridge wear
> points at the interface, giving a false reading (too large) which will give
> much valve noise as a result.

As you have said, it sounds like the tappet checking method is suspect. 

It's all very well sliding the feeler through at 90 degrees to the rocker if 
the engine 
is new, the valvetrain overhauled, or if we are talking overhead cam designs.

On a knackered old land rover I use a slim set of feelers and gap them by 
shoving it up 
the end of the rocker into the gap (oo err).

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:48:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Flywheel housing question

In a message dated 9/9/98 10:44:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< Either way, put on a later pulley and a 3-fingered marker for timing -
 saves buggering around for the timing marks on the flywheel. >>

Oh I don't know, I have a short thin piece of doweling to find TDC, check to
make sure if I'm looking at the right mark on the pulley, then start t

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:50:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Flywheel housing question(2)

In a message dated 9/9/98 10:44:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< Either way, put on a later pulley and a 3-fingered marker for timing -
 saves buggering around for the timing marks on the flywheel. >>

Sorry 'bout that.  AOHell problem.  Premature emailing. 

Anyways, I'll probably go with the old SII housing.  It's steel not aluminium
and I think may be a bit hardier.

Thanks Al
Nate

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:54:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

> What are the simptoms when you have a rear broken half shaft?
> Big clack sound from behind and power dropping by half?

That sounds likely.  This is a 90? Jack the rear end up, both wheels.
Spin one wheel, the other should turn the opposite direction.  If it
doesn't, either a shaft or the diff is busted.  On a series, you can pull
the shaft really easily, I don't know about on the 90.

David

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:08:00 +0000
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

>While this post isnt too applicable to modern 90s, which are more powqerful,
>it's pertinent to 88 owners
OK,here's an 88" owner....
I dabbled about with various Xply 6.00 patterns;SAT,etc even at one
time bar grips.Tyre wear high,wandering factor also high.Swapped to
205R16 Tracker pattern remoulds.Wander factor 1/10 of bugger all,handling
improved,cornering certainly improved (ask the dogs).But.The damned things
kept perishing.Sidewalls cracked,and the wear pattern was uneven.
So I swapped to a M+S (mud and snow,not Marks and Sparks) pattern,on the
rear,and had a secondhand pair of Pirelli Akros on the front,when the
Tracker's failed the MoT.Rolling resistance is *much* reduced,although
I'll be glad to get rid of the bloody Akros before I snap something in
the steering,or get a hernia parking the thing.As,indeed Andy has said.
Committed,as I am,to remoulds,the next pair of tyres to go on the front
will be Bronco's.Looks like a good compromise tread pattern,and worth
a try.
I've come to the conclusion that "Knobblies" may look good,but for
everyday wear are both unecessary and uncomfortable.Having said that,
the MoT bloke who got me the Pirellis (£15 the pair,half worn)said,
unprompted that International and,I think,Motorway? remoulds were,
in his opinion,absolute rubbish.Too soft a rubber he said.
Certainly the M+S pattern rolls more easily and the engine sounds less
stressed at cruising speed (and I'm not saying what that is,you'd laugh).
But I certainly wouldnt go for a pure road pattern due to the distinct
possibility of extreme embarrasment getting stuck on a wet,grassy,slick,
but otherwise dead level field..
YMMV,of course.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:02:17 -0500
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

>David
>That sounds likely.  This is a 90? Jack the rear end up, both wheels.
>Spin one wheel, the other should turn the opposite direction.  If it
>doesn't, either a shaft or the diff is busted.  On a series, you can pull
>the shaft really easily, I don't know about on the 90.

Oops!

This must be a record: 4 days of having the car for getting a broken
half-shaft.

What did I do wrong? I think I will find out with the years. :-(

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:09:28 +0000
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

What are the simptoms when you have a rear broken half shaft?

>Big clack sound from behind and power dropping by half?

No.Total lack of forward motion in 2WD.

Mike Rooth

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:15:25 -0500
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

>What are the simptoms when you have a rear broken half shaft?
>>Big clack sound from behind and power dropping by half?
>No.Total lack of forward motion in 2WD.

Well, the whole story goes like this:

I was at an intersection, mild uphill, had to come out fast, a lot of
trafic, when I pulled out I heard this big CLACK sound from down the right
rear end and the truck stalled there. I got 1st in again and gave it some
gas and got the cluth out really slowly. It moved but very slowly but got
out of the intersection.
JUmped under the truck checked everything but saw nothing.
I assumed to have broken something down there, even though there where no
grinding noises after the incident. I shifted into 4WD and got here.

Any guess?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:24:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

Luis - just guessing on my limited knowledge of how diffs work.  If you
broke a half shaft, you are essentially only getting traction to one wheel,
and hence you should not be going at all.  Maybe there is such a thing as
half broken, where the shaft slips, but that would make the car  jerky -
oh, I don't know, maybe it's a tranny problem.  I'll go with the 'you've
got something else wrong' answer - List?? - Good luck Luis - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:20:29 +0100
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

What are the symptoms when you have a rear broken half shaft?

Big clack sound from behind and power dropping to ZERO!

(accept when you have a limited slip diff!/ diff lock contraption)

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:38:21 -0400
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

Re: Slow then full movement:

Sounds like what you did was to lock the center diff, which then
transferred all of the grunt to the front wheels rather than sapping most
of it to the dysfunctional rear end.

Jack up one side in the rear and spin a wheel - the center shaft should
turn.

If not, something back there broke....

You are SURE trhis is a 90, right?

                         ajr

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:34:52 -0500
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

>Re: Slow then full movement:
>Sounds like what you did was to lock the center diff, which then
>transferred all of the grunt to the front wheels rather than sapping most
>of it to the dysfunctional rear end.
>Jack up one side in the rear and spin a wheel - the center shaft should
>turn.
>If not, something back there broke....
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>You are SURE trhis is a 90, right?
>                         ajr

It's a 90 with Toyota engine and tranny. Thats why I can (well, could) shift
2WD-4WD.
Maybe it's got some kind of limmited slip diff and thats why I still got
some little power left. I'm just guessing, cous' really dont know.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:45:49 -0700
Subject: Re: my petrol STILL diesels

From: lro@playground.sun.com
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 98 11:27:28 -0500
Subject: Re: my petrol STILL diesels 

> >My question is what is causing this and how should I best deal with
this
> Should I just set the transmission brake and let out the clutch when I
turn
> off the ignition?

>Or hit the brakes.

Dieseling is extremely hard on an engine, particularly the timing chain
and gears.  Even one hiccup can be enough to break a chain or a timing
gear tooth.  As you have seen from the responses, there are a lot of
reasons dieseling might be occurring in your engine.  One contributor
can be a high idle rpm.  The factory service manual for the Series III
calls for an idle speed of 500 rpm (this is with the non-emission
carburetor and distributor).  I have set my idle rpm this low in the
past, but to my mind it's too rough.  I have my idle rpm set to the
emission speed of about 750 rpm, which is much smoother.

When the original Zenith on my vehicle finally warped, I replaced it
with another Zenith which did not have the idle fuel cutoff solenoid.
At this point, I began having a dieseling problem.  I lowered the idle
rpm which helped a lot.  I then switched to a Rochester for a few years,
and I don't recall having a dieseling problem with that carburetor.
However there were other things about the Rochester I didn't like, so I
put on a brand new Zenith.  While this carburetor did not have a fuel
cutoff solenoid, the body was cast with the solenoid mount which was
filled with a blank plug.  So it was a simple matter to remove the plug
and install the solenoid from my original carburetor.  I wired the
solenoid to a switch on the dash which is what I use to stop the engine.
There is no delay in shutting off the engine with the solenoid; it stops
virtually as fast as turning off the ignition.  This way, I can have my
higher, smoother idle rpm and not have any worries about dieseling.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:48:41 EDT
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

In a message dated 9/9/98 11:45:29 AM, you wrote:

<<It's a 90 with Toyota engine and tranny. Thats why I can (well, could) shift
2WD-4WD.>>

aaargh, the truth emerges...  hope you don't find too many more surprises or
SPOTs...

--pat.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:03:35 +0200
Subject: The great thing about all this rubbish

Maybe some of us have wandered a bit off-topic in the last week - but
permit me to propound the following -

I have never regarded the lro list like a traditional newsgroup
(although tradition newsgroups seem to have a lot more off-topicing and
flaming going on - I was in alt.native last night and was amazed at the
way everyone is slagging off each other).

I have always regarded the lro list as a virtual english pub - a homely
little corner frequented by land-rover owners who come in for a pint or
two on club night. I go to this pub because I have a land rover, and I
like the company of other land rover owners.

In this pub we talk a lot about our cars - we have much in common, and
much to offer each other and to gain from each other's experience. But
the essential bond - for me - is not that we are roverites, but that we
seem to share a lot of other views, which in some way manifest
themselves in our choice of transport and hobby.

Like any pub clientelle we are a mixed bag - rich, poor, academic,
professional, skilled, unskilled, student, male, female, english,
danish, american, canadian and lots more.

The nice thing about this pub, is that we have more to talk about than
our cars. If we didn't we'd hardly likely be driving land rovers anyway
- we'd be into porsches, mondeos, ferraris and old MG's - or something
else.

One of the pleasing thing about human intercourse - especially when it
relates to talking and debating with other people, whose views are so
different to one's own - is the security of knowing that you at least
have something in common with the other guy - a starting point, from
which understanding can evolve and views can be exchanged.

Joining the alt.culture.levinsky or alt.culture.handsup! newsgroups will
just give you contact with - what is for you a random collection of
people of whom you know nothing, except that they want to mouth off
about something. The tone and language is tiring, the bickering is
boring, and the excercise is a waste of time . because, at the end of
the day, being able to call some anonymous poster is Minnesota a jerk
because he believes all schoolkids sould own a Magnum or the Predisent
should resign, does not change anything - neither your life, nor theirs.
It's merely a timewasting safety valve.

Being a member of a club - be it football, bellringing, stampcollecting,
scouting, church choir or in this case - rovering, enables you to join a
community, and through the common interest of free-wheel hubs, to
progress beyond the nut-and-bolts chat, into other matters.

In ther two years in which  I have had this pub as my local, I have met
many people - most of whom have helped me a great deal with my hobby,
some of whom I have been able to help, and all of whom have contributed
to my continued and developing view of the world. ASnd because I know
that they are OK folks on the rover subject - I am interested in their
viewpoint on other issues. This means that in some cases, I have
actually changed my standpoint on issues on which before I had a clear
and fixed view.

Surly this is the basis of good human relationships? That such personal
gifts may be harvested from the starting point of a great car which I
love owning and repairing, makes the whole thing even more enjoyable.

So before we all go off-topic about off topicing, let's ask ourselves
what it is about this pub, and about our rusty wrecks which are parked
outside, that gives us so much pleasure.

I am openminded on this matter - if I ever get the idea that the
clientelle of the pub has changed so much, that the majority of us now
wish to be strict on-topic and debate nothing but the virtues of grease
contra oil in swivel housings, then I will sadly, but fairly admit that
my time in this pub is over.

Until then I welcome the off-topicing, I welcome the humour and varied
viewpoints. however intensly held, providing they are presented in a
civil manner.

It may be a pub with no beer - but the company is great, and the
conversation is terrific.

Maybe we should start a new thread - off-topic of course - to name this
pub.

The Fourwheel drivers arms?
The swivel house?
The solihull arms?
The Iron workhorse?

suggestions?

That's my humble opinion. Thanks for your bandwidth.

Adrian Redmond

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:15:36 EDT
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish

In a message dated 9/9/98 12:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
channel6@post2.tele.dk writes:

<< It may be a pub with no beer -  >>

Who says?  My icebox is 8 steps from the keyboard.  Who'd frequent a pub with
pretzels but no beer?

sheesh!
Nate

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:43:34 -0500
Subject: Re: The right to arm bears (NO LR Content) 

In message <bulk.29639.19980909053052@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

(I apologise in advance; this topic is one that I feel strongly on.   
Hopefully, the non-US LROs are at least entertained by this.) 

> Amen, Brother!  This is why I get so pissed off when the Anti-gun crowd
> decides a gun needs to be banned because it has "no sporting purpose".  
> The Founding Fathers did not GUARANTEE our ability to arm ourselves so we
> could protect ourselves against attacks by deer and sporting clays targets.  

	The part that really pisses me off is that the Supreme Court has 
clearly ruled what the 2nd amendment means and the anti-gun lobby is getting
laws passed that are clearly in violation of this interpretation.   The
case was in the 1930s.  Someone had a sawed off shotgun.  The Supreme Court
ruled that a sawed off shotgun was not covered by the 2nd amendment because
"it had no military value".  The court continued that the 2nd amendment
only covered the right of the people to own and bear weapons of current 
military value and that it was the duty of every male American citizen to
own such a weapon.

	Now to put this in perspective miltary weapons in use at the time
included the M1911 Colt .45 automatic pistol.  The M1929 Thompson 
sub-machinegun, the Browning Automatic Rifle, various machineguns like the
Browning 1930 .30 air cooled and M-2 .50,  and possible the M-1 Garand (I know 
the Springfield 1903 was in use, but I think the Army was testing the Garand 
at this time).  The last three are the equivelents of weapons included in the 
assault weapons ban and probably are themselves now banned.

	If the US is going to ban all of these then the 2nd amendment needs
to be changed first.   (Something I will oppose to my last breath)  Otherwise
the Supreme Court needs to start overturning all of these illegal laws.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:45:51 EDT
Subject: Where to get Parabolics?

Where is everybody getting the parabolic springs they keep commenting on? How
much $$$? I don't want to be the only kid that doesn't have them........  :-)

Bill Kaszer
Manhattan, KS 
willyz@aol.com

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 07:02:29
Subject: Re: Where to get Parabolics?

Go to this web site, (http://www.ticonsole.nl/).  You'll find the dealers
there.  They were all out except Paul Hejstee, expecting shipment arrival
in October.  I couldn't wait so went with Paul.  Price was a less than
others but Fed Ex ate me alive.  I think Great Basin had the best delivered
price and offers a kit complete with new shocks and urethane bushes.  He's
a nice guy over the phone, also.  You will want new shocks if yours are
tired.  Unlike the standard springs, you will notice a bad shock as the
axles actually articulate with the parabolics.
Aloha Peter

At 12:45 PM 9/9/98 EDT, you wrote:

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:08:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Where to get Parabolics?

Swim on over to www.ticonsole.nl and look for the distributor near you. 
Since you live in KS, you are limited to two choices, Great Basin Rovers 
and Frank Jakos. I bought mine from Frank and have had no trouble with 
him.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:04:16 EDT
Subject: Re: URGENT HELP needed

Potential for U-Joint, did you attempt diagnostic pulling twisting and
prodding?

Zack Arbios

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:13:25 EDT
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish

Adrian, I agree about your Pub idea and find that it fits.  If somebody flames
you over this, or over guns in any form , send em to me, I'll beat em up for
you pacifist types.  That's what a pub is for innit?  Have a Virtbeer on me,
and if my keys need to be taken, you''l get me home right?

Zack Arbios

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:16:25 EDT
Subject: RE Where to get Parabolics?

Start at http://www.ticonsole.nl/parts/introduc.htm

Later......
Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ  USA
'73 Series III Soft top "Tigger"  (daily driver until it hits 110 F / 43 C)
'64 Series IIA Dormobile "Humpty Dumpty"  (interior currently in pieces)
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:15:08 -0500
Subject: RE: URGENT HELP needed

>Potential for U-Joint, did you attempt diagnostic pulling twisting and
>prodding?

Already checked the shaft and the u-joints, they look and feel fine.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:24:57 -0500
Subject: RE: The great thing about all this rubbish

Adrian,
I think it cant be described in a better way.
For the time I've been on the list I have felt it like you put it.
A common interest is the base for everithing else.
Go for the name!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:45:33 -0700
Subject: Pub name

The Bloody Knuckles  

applies to both wrenching and pugelism

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: The great thing about... rubbish

At 06:03 PM 9/9/98 +0200, Adrian wrote:
>The Fourwheel drivers arms?
>The swivel house?
>The solihull arms?
>The Iron workhorse?

 'The Aluminum Workhorse' is taken.

--Michael

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:39:01 -0400
Subject: Sealing the Roof

I recommend the foam tape used to seal camper shells to pickup truck beds.
It's about 1/8" thick with an adhesive on both sides.  Trims nicely,
available in black or white, and cheap.  Buy it at any place that sells
pickup caps.

If that doesn't work, just silicone it.  It's the mark of a true craftsman.

 (sorry, Bill, couldn't resist).

Jeff

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:06:07 -0400
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish

Re: Pub name:

If the Ally  Workhorse has been "Taken"...(I will not express an
opinion...),

Then how about :

The Traveler's Companion
or
The Crankshaft and Axle
or
The Transfer Box

Or any one of a number of others...

          aj"Going home to tap the keg in the cellar"r

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 20:16:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Pub name

Todd Schlemmer wrote:
> The Bloody Knuckles

I think this is the best suggestion yet!

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:24:22 EDT
Subject: Re: my petrol STILL diesels/decoking spray

In a message dated 09-09-98 11:54:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SPYDERS@aol.com
writes:

<< Do you know if his V8 was EFI w/ catalysts ie: NAS spec? >>
Twin SUs with no cats.  Not sure what the spray would do to an oxygen sensor.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:22:49 -0400
Subject: Transfer case mystery (to me!)

"John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th> wrote:

> I have a 1975 Series III 109 with 2.25 petrol. Suffix on my gearbox is A.
>Said gearbox was just rebuilt with all new parts, etc.(as Bart would say--I
>didn't do it!). Works fine in low range, will not engage high. 

>Initially I thought that this was because the low range lever was bent (it
>was) so I have installed all new parts on that, but no go. 

No worries here...the bottom fixings for the lever should attach to the
*front* side of the bell housing flange, not the backside.  This is only
1/4" or so difference, but that 1/4" throws off the whole geometry of the
shift lever. Remove/refit two bolts and all will be well....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:09:37 -0700
Subject: Pub Name - BKP

"The Bloody Knuckles Pub" gets my vote - outstanding name, tough and to the
point, like Land Rover and their owners.

I need a grill badge or sticker that says that...............

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:35:51 +0200
Subject: funny words?

Where is the lower 48 on an america gearbox?

Does the NADA spec have this?

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:32 -0500
Subject: Badges are cool

> I need a grill badge or sticker that says that...............

I really wish we could have some badges... I have one on my
truck, but it's old and sunrotted... And it wasn't mine, so it
doesn't count.

I guess they would be too expensive to make... there's what
1706 people in all the LR team.net lists... saying that only
500 wanted badges... how much would a run cost for about
1000 of them?

 -Scott  

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:42:31 +0200
Subject: On the topic of off-topics...

I received this in another context, but it seems appropriate to the lor
lists!

---------

Q: How many internet mail list discussion group subscribers does it take
to
change a light bulb

A: 1,331:

1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light
bulb
has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light
bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar error in posts about changing light
bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers.

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb
discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list.

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take
this
exchange to alt.lite.bulb

203 to demand that cross-posting to alt.grammar, al.spelling and
alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all using
light
bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy
the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique, and what brands are faulty.

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected
URLs.

3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this
list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list.

33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all
headers
and footers, and then add "Me Too."

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot
handle the *Light Bulb Controversey*

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say "Me Three."

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave
it
here.

and.....

143 votes for alt.lite.bulb

Adrian Redmond

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:55:20 -0400
Subject: Owls Head

Anyone from the list planning on attending the Owls Head rally In
October?
any difference between this one and the one held a couple months ago?
Whats goin on up there?
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 15:58:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Badges 

Wilson, Scott wrote:
> > I need a grill badge or sticker that says that...............
> I really wish we could have some badges..

Badges?...We Don't need no Stinkin' badges

sorry,couldn't resist
Rgds
Steve Bradke  68 series lla 
              96 Discovery

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:05:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Badges

In a message dated 9/9/98 3:59:15 PM, you wrote:

<<Badges?...We Don't need no Stinkin' badges>>

Or, if you own an old Land Rover with six previous owners:

Bodges, we all got stinkin' bodges!

(couldn't resist either)

--pat.

P.S., re: Steve's quote above: Isn't that the motto of the State of Wisconsin?

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:07:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub Name - BKP

How about :-

1. The Slaughtered Cam ! (American Werewolf.........)
2. The Frog and Sprocket
3. The Legless Arms
4. Made In England
5. The Queens Arms (if you have an ex-MOD)
6. The Crown and Anchor Point
7. Illicit Recoveries
8. The Tree and Winch
9. The Travellers Oil Stop
10. The Muddy Welly (for us brits!)

Neil

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:06:02 +0200
Subject: Re: Pub name

Other ideas...

The stripped thread
The whitworth arms
The Breakfast grille
The last time (as in "This is definatly the last time that I mess with
this bloody car...")
The Freewheel Pub
The Greasy Arms (or oily arms for the 20 wt afficionados)

glad to see I've started a nearly rovering topic for a change.

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:19:48 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub name

How about :-

1. The Slaughtered Cam ! (American Werewolf.........)
2. The Frog and Sprocket
3. The Legless Arms
4. Made In England
5. The Queens Arms (if you have an ex-MOD)
6. The Crown and Anchor Point
7. Illicit Recoveries
8. The Tree and Winch
9. The Travellers Oil Stop
10. The Muddy Welly (for us brits!)

Neil

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 16:23 -0500
Subject: RE: Badges

I work at Viacom, so I get to watch M2 all day instead of working
and they just played U2's "The Last Night on Earth" from Pop, and
there was a light blue series II. The video has something to do with
them walking along a busy road where all the cars are broken down
and the people are dead cause William Boroughs is an alien or
something like that... and the SII is one of the dead cars.

 -Scott  

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From: dow <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:50:45 -0700
Subject: Re: Badges

We Left-Coasters have the Lazy Bugger (tm) badges.  They were about $20
per.  For a big lot, we'd probably have to prepay.

C

asfco wrote:

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:07:38 +0200
Subject: Re: Pub name

Bodgers galore?
Codgers & Bodgers?
The Toe-Inn
The Righttobear Arms? (sorry)
The Shaky Saloon
The Rovers Retreat?
The Happy Tinkerer
The Good Job Well Done

keep 'em comin folks...

Adrian Redmond

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:11:00 -0300
Subject: Pub

surely the Pub would be the Coil and Leaf and be situated on Four Wheel 
Drive.
John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:14:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Pub

john cranfield wrote:
> surely the Pub would be the Coil and Leaf and be situated on Four Wheel
> Drive.

The Rovers Return could be borrowed from a certain soap opera.
   John and Muddy

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:20:43 EDT
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish (bit o' content)

All,

    I would like to propose a toast: to the lovely oil leakers that take up so
much of our spare time, (so much of our spares for that matter!), that keep us
in the garage until the wee hours of the morn', that consume more cash than
board housewives or boats, (not that there is any coalition between our wives
or our boats other than we like to see our wives in swimsuits on the boats!),
that consume every waking hour of our free time, (of which we have none
because we have to have two bloody jobs to pay for the Rovers, boats, and the
credit cards the board housewives run all over town with... Oh Knickers! Just
give me another virtu-ale. 

     Content: I ran over a 24' aluminum extension ladder on the freeway in the
Disco.

Rover on...

Steve

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:26:49 -0700
Subject: cool badges

If ever a person was perfectly suited to make the badge (name pending) for
the Land Rover Owner (virtual) pub it would be William Spear:

http://www.wmspear.com

specifically:  http://www.wmspear.com/Catalog/pins.html#rover

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:17:18 -0500
Subject: RE: Pub name

>The Righttobear Arms? (sorry)
>The Shaky Saloon
>The Rovers Retreat?
>The Happy Tinkerer
>The Good Job Well Done
>keep 'em comin folks...

The Dripping Can (aluminum of course!)
The Driveway Nightmare
The Road Oiler

Or one to go with my mood today:

The Happy Broken Half-Shaft.

Thats my contribution.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:54:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub name

All,

     The Rover Room
     The Recovery Spot
     The "D" Shackles (This could be the band that played…)

     Then of course, there would be special side rooms off of the main room:

     The Warn Cigar Shop ("Smoked" a few myself)
     The Mud Terrain Liqueur Shop (If your going to get an off road tyre, get
an OFF ROAD TYRE, and if you are going to get liqueur...)
     The Hella Sun Porch 
     The High Lift Pub (This one would be in Amsterdam) 
     The Camel Trophy Room (We could have Bill Burke bartend and have Daphne
Greene as a French maid handing out cigars...)
     And last but not least:
     The Safari Gard Club. It would be the one room everyone wants to get
into, but can't afford. (All in good fun Greg...) 

Rover on...

Steve

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: The great thing about... rubbish

>At 06:03 PM 9/9/98 +0200, Adrian wrote:
>>The Fourwheel drivers arms?
>>The swivel house?
>>The solihull arms?
>>The Iron workhorse?
> 'The Aluminum Workhorse' is taken.
That last one seems to be a bit tainted now anyway.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: trowe@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 17:14:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

Andy Woodward wrote:
snip
> Wide tyres aint a great thing unless you have an engine.........
snip

That's why I'm looking for skinny 7.50x16's

Tom Rowe
Madison, WI (soon to be Atlanta, GA)
trowe@ibm.net

Four wheel drive lets you get stuck in
       places even more inaccessible.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: For Sale

1972 88" Trop top, full roof rack.  Frame is solid, needing minor outrigger
repairs. Body is straight but in need of paint.  Engine starts on first pop
and runs strong.  Driven every once and awhile around town, so this is not
a driveway monument.  First $6,000 takes it.   303-485-0434    In Denver
Colorado.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:42:14 -0400 
Subject: RE: Pub name

How about The Rand Lovers Pub?

Joel Baskin
1966 88" Zebramobile

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:11:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Pub

Simply - 'The Rovers' is my choice.
Let's put together a list of the top ten and vote.
After that we can vote for what pints we serve, of course,
the pub has to serve pints of 90wt for our Rovers.
The pub has to be down that path that has that sign
|     No Road    |
|    Expect for   |
|  Land Rover   |

Rover On - Mike
Owner of NoChance
Links to pictures of various events at the following URL
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html

john cranfield wrote:

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:05:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Badges

In a message dated 09/09/98 21:32:24 BST, you write:

<< and the SII is one of the dead cars. >>
that's a damn' libel...

or maybe not

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:05:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Pub

oh come on guys, enough of this off top...........asaaargh!!!

anon

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 16:48:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

;>Andy Woodward wrote:
>snip
;>> Wide tyres aint a great thing unless you have an engine.........
;>snip
;>
;>That's why I'm looking for skinny 7.50x16's

And thats why I am looking for a more powerful engine ;*)

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:49:46 EDT
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish (bit o' content)

Steve, a 24' extension ladder, really...
I think you found the sand ladders that were lost.

besides, if you did it right, you did somewhere around 1.4 car lengths on
aluminum which would make your Rover the Aluminum Roadhorse.

Zack Arbios
Drinking cider as we speak.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:04:55 -0500
Subject: RE: Bigger aint always better

>;>Andy Woodward wrote:
>>snip
>;>> Wide tyres aint a great thing unless you have an engine.........
>;>snip
>;>
>;>That's why I'm looking for skinny 7.50x16's
>And thats why I am looking for a more powerful engine ;*)
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>And thats why I am looking for a more powerful engine ;*)
>TeriAnn Wakeman

And it doesn't always work right.
Nowdays I have a big engine, big tires 31x11,5 and just broke a
half-shaft!!!!!!!
Secondary effetcs???

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: trowe@ibm.net
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 19:30:11      
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> ;>That's why I'm looking for skinny 7.50x16's
> And thats why I am looking for a more powerful engine ;*)

I'm just now getting my Rover diesel (which I bought last year) going, so I'm 
not 
about to change it. :-)
I think it will be about perfect for a Lightweight used primarily for 
off-roading.

Now that we're moving and one thing that will be a *must* this time 'round 
buying a 
house is a garage. Something I've *sorely* missed these past few years. Then I 
will 
be able to gather my scattered Rovers and build a 127 or 130. With *that*, I'll 
definately want a more powerful diesel. In a year or so I'll be looking for 
maybe an 
turbo Isuzu 6 or the like.
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Madison, WI (soon to be Atlanta)
trowe@ibm.net

Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish

Let's see, if your Rover keys need to be taken do I get to keep them or are
those Virtkeys, too?  :-)

At 01:13 PM 9/9/98 EDT, you wrote:

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 98 17:39:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

;>;>Andy Woodward wrote:
;>;>> Wide tyres aint a great thing unless you have an engine.........

;>;>That's why I'm looking for skinny 7.50x16's

;>TeriAnn Wrote:

;>And thats why I am looking for a more powerful engine ;*)

;>Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

;>And it doesn't always work right.
;>Nowdays I have a big engine, big tires 31x11,5 and just broke a
;>half-shaft!!!!!!!
;>Secondary effetcs???

To which TeriAnn replies:

Thats why I already have a Salisbury installed and am looking for a more 
powerful transmission for the swap as well

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Badges

That U2 video was filmed here in Kansas City.  The series vehicle was Lee
Garrett's.  He showed up to be an extra and they liked the vehicle so put it in.

At 04:23 PM 9/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:42:35 EDT
Subject: Re: The right to arm bears (NO LR Content)

Obviously, the right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with duck huntin.
Now, let's get back to LR's.

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Somewhere in East Tennessee
(Where shooting road signs is an accepted sport.)

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:04:04 -0400
Subject: I love silicon

 No I am not kinky, 
I have used Silicon RTV extensively in my engineering career and in the
appropriate places, properly applied it is a superb product.  I  currently
work for a GM subsidiairy, but in the past have worked for suppliers to
Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Volvo, Rolls Royce and some less noted vehicle
manufacturers and they bought lots of product in which  Silicon RTV. was used.
  For sealing the hard top I have, in the past used many types of sealant,
and for me, the best by far, in fact the only stuff to do a decent job, has
been Silicon RTV.   The normal stuff you buy at the hardware store is a "non
slump " type. i.e. it stays in a bead if applied in a bead, it does not run
very much ( it does'nt slump, English 101 ) Dow Corning ( and others ) make
a "slump" variety. This stuff is relatively thin and it runs ( or slumps )
it is therefore ideal for sealing hard top gutters because some of it will
run into the open joints between the aluminmium top and the steel gutter and
form a skin over the bottom of the gutter making an excellent seal. Aftewr
trying all kinds of product in the 70's  I sealed a leaking  roof in 1980
with RTV  and when I sold the LR in 94 the roof still was water tight. It
was diesel that was off roaded regularly and was therefore subject to a lot
of vibration.
 I do not know where this stuff could be purchased in the US. I was spoile
din the UK because my employer used it by the gallon, if they let the shelf
life expire  it was thrown away and I could help myself before it reached
the dump, it was fine for sealing LR's for a lot of our club members..
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:47:27 -0700
Subject: Pub - Grill Badges

I am getting grill badges made for the local club and could get similar ones
made (have to come up with a design, still) for some people on the list.
List unity - what a Socialist concept.

"The Bloody Knuckles Pub" of a grill badge, with some design (axle and
crank?)(coil and leaf)? - blood dripping from either of those, with a crown
over it - well something like that - would be $30US before postage to you -
3 colours, very thick (1/4"), chrome plated brass, 4" across. It is by the
same people who made the ABFM - Washington badges.

The badges are the best in quality I have ever seen! If anyone is really
interested, get back to me........if there is enough interest, I will work
up art samples.

The price above is based on a small numbered run - 30 to 50 badges.

Any one really serious?

Yes, I do ALL the work on my LR, go off road, go on long journeys, go to the
shows AND I like grill badges! I have 5 grill badges on my LR (6 after I get
the club ones made). My heater works well, I use oil in my hubs, I painted
the frame and I do not have a Winchester or Rochester - yet.

I do not make the badges, nor do I profit from them - I just like them!

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:33:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Doors

>This is probably one of the more delicate and patience demanding jobs on
>a landy.  We can all change the enging, gearbox or axles, but getting
>all three doors to close properly in the same week seems to escape us.

Good Advice! There's one other door problem that plagues Rover owners and
the answer seems to be...well...mysterious. My door (and I know of others
with the same affliction) seems to come unlatched while just driving along.
No bumps or anything. It just pops. I've attributed this to a weakend
spring in the door latch mechanism. Any thoughts? Can one just replace the
spring?

Chris Stevens
'69 SIIA 88" Petrol

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From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Idling Madness

I'll repost this question again since it must've missed the first go-around.

My SIIA (petrol, Zenith IVE) idles fine when I pull to a stop. Then, for no
reason whatsoever, the thing just "idles down" to the point where the
engine nearly dies. I've adjusted the idle screw to no avail. Is this a
timing chain, Carb, distributor thing? I'm about ready to give up.

Chris Stevens
'69 SIIA 88" Petrol
Towson, MD

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:53:05 -0700
Subject: RE: Trip Report:  Rubicon Trail (LONG)

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:09:21 EDT
Subject: RE  William Spear

<<If ever a person was perfectly suited to make the badge (name pending) for
the Land Rover Owner (virtual) pub it would be William Spear:>>

Well, he makes nice pins.  I'm not sure if he does badges.  I've exchanged e-
mails with him too... nice guy.

I like David's thoughts.  I'll vouch for David .... if my vouch means
anything.  I've met him a couple of times and have no doubt to his honesty.  

I've also seen the quality of the PCRC badges and they are worth it.  I
suspect the price will drop too.  I'm willing to bet the quantity will be much
more than 50!

Later.....
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:24:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1998 Owl's Head Online Reg. Form available...

Just thought I'd let folks know that information regarding the 1998 Owl's
Head Land Rover Rally is indeed on our club website, and can be found at ;
http://agate.net/~rovah/owls.html

There is an online registration form, and links to the campground as well
as a page of area hotels/motels.

Please stop by and register if you're coming!  :-)

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy, Bangor Maine USA
President, Downeast Land Rover Club, http://www.agate.net/~rovah/

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Idling Madness (& vac./manifold leaks?)

Chris, I sort of have this , but it dosen't seem as bad as yours.  I'm just
guessing here:  driving along the carb bowl is full of gas, or gas is being
readily 'pumped' into the engine, you stop engine rpm slows, fuel pump
slows, and the engine in a about 10 seconds seems to eat 'that resovoir'
(yes, I know it's miss-pelled, and that too for that matter!).  Then it is
starving slightly for fuel.  Maybe the fuel pump supplies gas in a
non-linear ratio relative to engine rpm, and we've got the idle set below
the optimum fuel supply.
What about a vaccuum leak-manifold problem?  Poor fuel pump?  Blocked jets?

Mine is 'popping' bad on a hard overrun.  Does this only indicate a
manifold vaccuum problem?  What about valve mis-adjusment?  All this talk
about tappets - I've got to check mine, not to mention my timing - but that
is another story...

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:41:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Pub name

I must say I like the idea of the D Shackles playing at the Bloody Knuckles
this Friday. Jate Rings could be opening for them. I'd like to open myself
with an acoustic Martin set but LR servicing takes a real toll on right
hand picking nails. 
Allan

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:59:13 -0700
Subject: RE: Sealing the roof...silicone?

Bill, how do you *really* feel about silicone sealers :>)))))

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From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:12:09 +0200
Subject: Re: The Tom Sheppard Expedition Book

> Where
>have the folks who have read it found the book for sale?

I got mine from ye olde LRO shoppe

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pub name

With the most famous thing on the list being Nigel's disease, I would
have thought a good pug name would be
Nigel's Arms, or
Nigel's rest

Smitty

---Adrian Redmond  wrote:
 Other ideas...
 The stripped thread
 The whitworth arms
 The Breakfast grille
 The last time (as in "This is definatly the last time that I mess with
 this bloody car...")
 The Freewheel Pub
 The Greasy Arms (or oily arms for the 20 wt afficionados)
 glad to see I've started a nearly rovering topic for a change.
 Adrian Redmond

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:26:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

OOOOH

I like the crown idea.  How bout a crank and a wrench (partial to The
Bloody Knuckles)
count me in

At 04:47 AM 9/9/98 -0700, you wrote:

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:28:20 -0700
Subject: Re: RE  William Spear

>From Bill Spear:

Thanks for the promo Todd...we have done badges for the Camel Pro Series
for the last two years..I think they are posted somewhere in
there:~)...Also, you might want to check out the badge I did for Bantam
cars...

http://www.wmspear.com/Bantam/sell.html

The downside is that, for pins anyway, I generally require a minimum of
1,000 units. They wind up being around 3.50 apiece including my time etc...

Would like an excuse to do some car stuff though. Howabout Grille badges?
More expensive, but, better margins if you are collecting $ for the club...

Cheers,
Bill

I guess he does do badges

Todd

At 11:09 PM 9/9/98 EDT, you wrote:
><<If ever a person was perfectly suited to make the badge (name pending) for
>the Land Rover Owner (virtual) pub it would be William Spear:>>
>Well, he makes nice pins.  I'm not sure if he does badges.  I've exchanged e-
>mails with him too... nice guy.
>I like David's thoughts.  I'll vouch for David .... if my vouch means
>anything.  I've met him a couple of times and have no doubt to his honesty.  

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>I've also seen the quality of the PCRC badges and they are worth it.  I
>suspect the price will drop too.  I'm willing to bet the quantity will be
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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:32:11 +0100
Subject: Re: Idling Madness (& vac./manifold leaks?)

On 9 Sep 98, at 23:37, Peter M. Kaskan wrote:

> Mine is 'popping' bad on a hard overrun.  Does this only indicate a
> manifold vaccuum problem?  What about valve mis-adjusment?  All this talk
> about tappets - I've got to check mine, not to mention my timing - but that
> is another story...

Too rich (though it could also be because it is too lean). 
Try weakening the fuel mixture.

Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:51:29 +1000
Subject: Nameless Kirk

Ron wrote:

<< Jeez, Frank, I gave Kirk Hillman all these great Hillman names >>

Frank replied:
>why should he call his Land Rover after the Commer Imp van?
>Singer Chamois Rule.........

To which I respond.  He shouldn't.  That's a Commer, not a Hillman (and not
a Singer Chamois either)  I know it was the same factory but....

I wonder if Kirk Hillman realises the significance of his surname to the
Land Rover.  The Wilks brothers who were instrumental in the decision to
produce the Land Rover, both came from working for the Hillman Motor Company
to Rover.  I think it was Maurice Wilks' job to fix the quality control
problems of Rover.  Hmm, 50 years later they still haven't got it right.

Thus had there been no Hillmans - there would have been no Land Rovers.

All the more reason for Kirk Hillman to name his Land Rover after a Hillman
car (or to join the Hillman Owners List??)

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:54:50 -0500
Subject: RE: The great thing about all this rubbish

		Very well said, Adrian.  You are welcome at my house for
a beer anytime

		cwolfe

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:16:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

\The 6.00s are smaller than 205s, they are also radials whilst the 205s are
\crossplys... a combination of radials on the front and crossplys on the rear
\is worrying enough (if not illegal, can't remember which way round they
\should be when mixed) - add to that the differing tyre sizes on a permanent
\four wheel drive vehicle and... recipe for disaster in anyones book !

Complete crap. Sorry. The rolling radius of 205/85R16s is almost identical to 
that of 6.00R16s - to less than the depth of the tread so any mismatch is 
less than running worn tyres on one end and new ones of the same size on 
the other. Also all the 205R15s I have seem are RADIALS.

If you mix cross plies and radials, the cross plies go on the front. If you mix 
different tyre widths, the narrow ones go on hte front.  You NEVER mix 
different rolling radius or you blow diffs.

It will, however be nice to reduce the drag even further by going back to 6.00s 
all round when the rear 205s wear out. The thing might be a helluva lot less 
tiring to drive then - much less hunting the throttle continuously round the 
smoke-point to make maximum (!!) progress without without furring up the 
engine.

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:16:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

\ can understand how this would affect performance. We changed our comp.
\motor over to 205s for that reason - speed out of a corner is more important
\than top speed.

When racing, yes. Thereason for my change is not that the top speed is 
higher, but that because it is, this means the vehicle is working less hard to 
maintain normal speeds and willl last longer. It also gives an added safety 
margin for overtaking milk floats.

\Are you suggesting that it is the width of the tyre that affects performance
\and top speed or are the 6.00s a different diameter to the 205s ? (Smaller
\diameter perhaps ???)

They are the same radius but narrower. The width is waht is affecting the 
drag and by a much greater margin than I'd have guessed. Tho looking back 
with the benefit of hindsight, in the days of Escort Mk 2's it was astanding 
joke that all the boy racers with 7inch rims but unmodified engines couldnt 
keep up with my stock one.......

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:16:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Bigger aint always better

\Andy,  Should the new tyres not be fitted to the rear for max 
\safety?  Argument is that  the potential to get into serious trouble 
\is greater if  the tail end loses traction than if the front does.

I'd guess The Law would treat the situation as it would cross plies and 
radials. You must put the cross plies on hte front for less grip cos the 
average wally is better able to handle a front wheel slide (by freezing in 
panic.....). Same for the narrrower tyres. Speaking personally, I prefer rear 
wheel slides as you can continue to steer and carry on as if nothing 
happened.......But then I was brought up driving Escort Mk2s very 
quickly........

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:38:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Pub name

The Bodgit and Scarper?
The Brick Outhouse?
The Wheel Wobblers and Grunters Social Club?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:53:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub - Grill Badges

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:

> The badges are the best in quality I have ever seen! If anyone is really
> interested, get back to me........if there is enough interest, I will work
> up art samples.

Great idea, I have thought for a long time that the list needs a badge, there
could be smaller versions for lapel badges to recognise list members at events
like Billing etc.
I'll have two for starters, that would be one Christmas present for the lad!

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:50:22 +0100
Subject: Re: Pub

What has the list got against me?!

I sent this 3 times now......here goes!

Pub Names :

    1. The Slaughtered Cam
    2. The Muddy Welly (for us brits)
    3. The Frog And Sprocket
    4. Silicone Valley (couldn't resist!)
    5. The Queens Arms (for all us with Ex-MOD Landys)
    6. Er.....can't think what the others were...will resend from home l8r!

    Neil
SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - BNH 449S Salisbury Diff. Zenith Carb
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - Comfortable and Powerful!

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:54:23 +0000
Subject: Re: The great thing about all this rubbish

Well said Adrian.I've rarely seen a point of view put better anywhere.
I agree with every word.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:00:41 +0000
Subject: Its *our* turn to laff,now....

In this mornings Times,it seems that Lucas Verity is to become
an American company.Gentlemen,warm beer is on its way,and all
the Uncle Joe jokes are on *you* lot now......:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:30:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Pub

Simply - 'The Rovers' is my choice.
Let's put together a list of the top ten and vote.
After that we can vote for what pints we serve, of course,
the pub has to serve pints of 90wt for our Rovers.
The pub needs to located down that path that has that sign
|     No Road    |
|    Expect for   |
|  Land Rover   |

Rover On - Mike
Owner of NoChance
Links to pictures of various events at the following URL
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html

john cranfield wrote:

> john cranfield wrote:
> > surely the Pub would be the Coil and Leaf and be situated on Four
Wheel

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From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:48:44 +0400 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: Pub

Suggestions for
Pub name:     adored agony
L.A. LR club: L.A.Leakers 

Semih Bingol
74 SIII 88, 2.25 petrol

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