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From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:36:10 EDT Subject: Re: Big Skies In a message dated 8/25/98 10:48:50 PM, you wrote: is heading this direction? I am here in Helena. There are a few of us Rover type people up here in the Big Sky Country. Big Sky Country>> You wouldn't happen to know what's the deal with *Big Sky Rovers*, or something to that effect? Last time I looked in a Hemmings, I saw an ad (cupla years ago). (They just seemed to reminded me of that Corn Flakes fellow.) --pat. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:39:22 EDT Subject: Re: First Drive In a message dated 8/26/98 6:24:29 AM, you wrote: <<Funny,ennit Frank.I've had the 88" 11 years now,and I *still* like to park it where I can see it from the office window..>> Not as funny when you live in Miami (or NYC, or NJ) and *have* to park it where you can see it... --pat. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:09:40 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) Variously, people said: :::: BUT my wife says NO. Sob! ::: NEVER take no on a potential purchase for a final answer until you really ::: understand why the no was said. :: We've been programmed to understand that when a woman :: says NO, she means "NO!". : I tell you though... If you find a girl who loves your rover, you've : found a keeper. I know that when an Italian woman says "No", she means it. This standpoint is subsequently non-negotiable and is not open to discussion in any way shape or form. Well, at least I know where I stand and I think I like it that way ;-) However, my fiance has never met my Rover in person, so a major standoff may be looming ! Cheers, Paul. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:16:08 -0400 Subject: Re: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) Your going to marry some one without them having seen or experienced your rover? there's no honesty in the relationship (unless your Rover is in another country) the relationship is doomed. That's like hiding that your an alcoholic. Is there such a thing as Roverism? (I know it has infected my life) Chris "V" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:16:18 +0000 Subject: Re: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) >:::: BUT my wife says NO. Sob! >::: NEVER take no on a potential purchase for a final answer until you really >::: understand why the no was said. >:: We've been programmed to understand that when a woman >:: says NO, she means "NO!". ...At the time... My wife said no."I'm not rumbling around in one of *those* things" she said. So I said nothing more.Completely dumb on the subject of replacement vehicle. A month later.."There were two Land Rovers in last weeks free paper".Still say nowt."Well,arent you interested?" Me:"Too late.They'll have gone by now". Two months later I got the SWB S11A diesel.Eleven years ago. Tips for when they say no: Dont ask why not.They dont know,they wont admit it,but they said it on principle. Say nothing at all.Let it prey on them. Let them think it was their idea in the first place. If in the meantime they enthuse over lesser vehicles,just shrug your shoulders and ignore it.Or look down your nose,and say "Bit common,really". Worked for me,to the point that when the 11A was in dock for six months, she used to ask how long it would be before it was on the road again.She used to see Land Rovers and feel like waving and saying "We've got one, but it's poorly". Wimmin.... Mike Rooth (Lt Col.MCP Retd.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:42:35 -0400 Subject: Overdrives and otherwise Pat wrote: >>So, you've got a "Mexican Overdrive"... Automatically puts it in Neutral >>for the downhills to save gas. And Peter added: >So, this is one of those hidden Land Rover features like the self oiling >frame? You betcha'. Like the folks at MickeySoft say, "that's not a bug, that's a *feature*." Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | Association of North American Rover Clubs | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:46:11 -0400 Subject: Conversion Factors Check out http://pos.net/ref/conv/conv_ndx.htm for conversion factors Peter Goundry 67 GS 109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:33:20 -0400 Subject: RE: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) It does pay to be more lucky than smart. I married a French gal who insisted on a Land Rover as her daily driver. Though when she says no, end of argument. Usually it rattles her enough when I agree with her that she'll change her mind just to be independent. Guess she hasn't caught on to that trick, yet! Joel Baskin 1966 SWB Zebramobile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 07:43:57 -0700 Subject: Fwd: BP going to Portland - commercial content Don't flame British Pacific for a commercial posting I decided to forward it to the world wide list because there are people in the Pacific Northwest that do not belong to the West coast mail list. Date: 08/25 5:22 PM From: steve@britishpacific.com Steve and Marty will be attending the Portland meet this year (look for the blue Series 1 86"), and since we are not bringing a 'booth' this year, there is room in the truck for deliveries (this means FREE FREIGHT to Portland!). If anyone would like us to bring something up, please call 818 841-8945 or 800 554-4133, or e-mail us. We'll take orders as long as the space holds out! Speaking of phone calls, we have hired 2 new experienced countermen. Tim Kinnamon has 15 years in the auto parts industry, and Martin Mullett comes with extensive Land Rover experience in the UK, having worked for Dingocraft, DLS, and Merrits Land Rover (dealership). These 2 guys, along with Marty & Keith, add a lot of expertise, and will make calling in much easier. Pat Young, our engine rebuilder, and Keith will be at Palo Alto as well. Hope to see you at one of the shows! Steve TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create beauty wherever you go. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:43:16 +0200 Subject: Oily front brakes My newly rebuilt 88 is playing up - oil dripping from the wheel backplate, apparently on both sides of the backplate - i.e. between swivel ball housing and axle stump /backplate and inside the backplate so that the brake shoes are wqell lubricated. Now she's grounded awaiting repair. The question is - is this swivel housing oil which is leaking into the brakes? It's black oil - and we've run 1000 km since the rebuild. I followed the advice of my mechanic and used liquid gasket instead of paper - is this the problem? Are the front brake shoes junk, or can they be cleaned? What does on clean this with? Any ideas and words of wisdom? Adrian Redmond CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 76 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 08:07:55 -0700 Subject: Re: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) >Variously, people said: >:::: BUT my wife says NO. Sob! ; ;>I know that when an Italian woman says "No", she means it. ;>This standpoint is subsequently non-negotiable and is not ;> open to discussion in any way shape or form. Well not having Italian blood and being a quadriple Pices I'm a bit wishy washy on my nos. I figure ANYTHING is subject to change without notice. May I suggest the following approach: Tell her that you are thinking of purchasing a new (used) Land Rover(expensive Land Rover accessory) but you don't think it is fair for you to spend a large chunk of money on yourself without her getting anything. Ask her if there is something that she has been wanting in that price range so that you could purchase both items. First thing this approach does is show her that even when you are thinking about your car you are also thinking about her and considering her happiness (Of course now occasional flowers for no reason other than love does wonders too). It shows her that you want to be fair in the money side of your relationship and if the two of you need to scrimp a bit for the purchase you both will have a reason to scrimp. Most Women are trained from birth to put the family first. Over time this can be draining and can cause resentments to grow if the Woman is putting the family first and the man is obviously putting himself first. Make it easy for her to put herself first sometimes. It's not easy going against a life time of social conditioning. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:10:49 -0700 Subject: Differential Number I pulled the rear differential last night to replace the gasket, besides that it's the only part of the drive train I've not been into in the 4 1/2 years with this Rover. But I saw the number stamped into the rim of the casting and wondered about it. I've noticed it on my other Rovers but never had a method of finding out what it's for. So here's my question, why do Rover stamp a number (serial number?) into the differential? Thanks in advance. Tom - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 08:32:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Oily front brakes >My newly rebuilt 88 is playing up - oil dripping from the wheel >backplate, apparently on both sides of the backplate - i.e. between ;>swivel ball housing and axle stump /backplate and inside the backplate ;>so that the brake shoes are wqell lubricated. ;>Now she's grounded awaiting repair. The question is - is this swivel ;>housing oil which is leaking into the brakes? It's black oil - and we've ;>run 1000 km since the rebuild. Probably. Leaking brake fluid tends to be clear. ;>I followed the advice of my mechanic and used liquid gasket instead of ;>paper - is this the problem? I generally don't bother with paper gaskets. I just assume the surfaces are too far out for a paper gasket to seal. I have had good luck with high quality liqued gasket material. >Are the front brake shoes junk, or can they be cleaned? What does one >clean this with? I think the official word is that they are junk. I have too much Scottish blood to toss them. I clean them up with petrol and reuse them. >Any ideas and words of wisdom? >clean this with? Before you start cleaning be sure to locate the source of the leak. It is probably the hub seal behind the bearings. If it is you will need a new one. Be sure it is installed correctly. Check the inner seal race located on the stub axle. Look it over very carefully and replace it if there is ANY signs of wear or a nick. It has to be seated properly and absolutely smooth for the seal lip to make a seal. Be sure to put a thin layer of grease over the race where it meets the seal when you reassemble everything. Turning a new seal on a dry race can destroy the seal of the lip. When you reassemble the spindle on the hub be very carefull not to strech the seal and remember if your wheel bearings are adjusted too loose the spindle can be slightly cocked and widen the seal lip. Good luck on your repair. TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create beauty wherever you go. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 08:36:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Differential Number >here's my question, why do Rover stamp a number (serial number?) into the >differential? ; It is not a serial number cast into the housing it is a casting number. Casting numbers are used to keep track of which part is which at the factory and to drive enthusiasts crazy. Serial numbers are normally stamped into a machined flat surface. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:03:49 EDT Subject: Re: Oily front brakes Good post TW, but a bit of hazard on the Brake shoes, Story follows, Minimal LR content. My brother had a failed brake cylinder at a time where I had access to a commercial vapor degreaser. As the shoes were a month old and Renault Dauphine shoes were scarce on the ground, I took them to work and degreased them twice. I wanted to be very cautious, little brothers life and all. All else in the brake system was good, drums in good condition, A-1 brake job in all respects except for those recycled shoes. Tw months later about 3k miles, the shoes failed on hard braking, with resulting, coasting across the intersection with a great deal of squaling and pedal pumping. The shoes had literally exploded and stringy shrapnel was everywhere inside the drums. I concluded that the vapor degreaser had reduced the amount of glue that holds the compound together and resolved that I could find the money to buy new shoes rather than *save*them from inadvertent hydrocarbon contamination. Zack Arbios - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:16:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Soundproofing Jeff- Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like it's done a great job. I also worry about the chance water traps. If you ever have some pictures, I would love to see them. Thanks, --Jason - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:21:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Oily front brakes On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > I generally don't bother with paper gaskets. I just assume the surfaces > are too far out for a paper gasket to seal. I have had good luck with > high quality liqued gasket material. Every time I haven't used a paper gasket, I get seepage around them. > >Are the front brake shoes junk, or can they be cleaned? What does one > >clean this with? They are junk, but if they are newish and not terribly soiled, you can try canned brake parts cleaner. B > When you reassemble the spindle on the hub be very carefull not to strech > the seal and remember if your wheel bearings are adjusted too loose the > spindle can be slightly cocked and widen the seal lip. I recently had a hub seal start leaking the day after a replaced it! Someone else noticed the wheel bearings were loose, and after I tightened them, it stoped leaking. David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Oily front brakes According to David Scheidt: > On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > >Are the front brake shoes junk, or can they be cleaned? What does one > > >clean this with? > They are junk, but if they are newish and not terribly soiled, you can try > canned brake parts cleaner. B While waiting to get to my fathers (2 hrs away) where I can do work on my Rover I have cleaned out my brake drum two times, and thoroughly cleaned the relatively new pads with canned Brakleen stuff. They feel great, although I may replace them once I'm sure the oil is going to stay in the swivel housing where it belongs. > > When you reassemble the spindle on the hub be very carefull not to strech > > the seal and remember if your wheel bearings are adjusted too loose the > > spindle can be slightly cocked and widen the seal lip. > I recently had a hub seal start leaking the day after a replaced it! > Someone else noticed the wheel bearings were loose, and after I tightened > them, it stoped leaking. This is what happened to me, after I did a full swivel overhaul I started to get oil in brakes. By tightening wheel bearings do you mean the mondo nuts that hold the hub on? The ones that go on right before the drive flange? The service manual describes measuring float with a dial guage so I just made sure it wiggled a tiny bit. Should I crank these down? Thanks, Casey McMullen '72 sIII 88 casey@drexel.edu http://httpsrv.ocs.drexel.edu/undergrad/st93wxta/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:48:11 +0200 Subject: Oily front brakes... yes but... I know that the oil is coming from the swivel housing, but is it coming from between the housing and the axle stump/backplate, or is it coming from inside the axle, and through the hub? How do I find out - before stripping the lot - is it worth tightening the hub axle bearing nuts first to try and seal? Any ideas? Adrian Redmond - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:16:32 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Oily front brakes In a message dated 8/26/98 12:05:19 PM, you wrote: <<I concluded that the vapor degreaser had reduced the amount of glue that holds the compound together and resolved that I could find the money to buy new shoes rather than *save*them from inadvertent hydrocarbon contamination.>> Leave it to Renault (Purveyors of Peculiar Transportation is their Official Motto, shared with Citroen and other French manufacturers) to come up with vapor-soluble brake linings. ;-) I'll bet that vapor got into the lining somewhere and when heated up (under hard braking), it wanted to expand and did so. --pat. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Oily front brakes On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Casey McMullen wrote: > This is what happened to me, after I did a full swivel overhaul I started > to get oil in brakes. By tightening wheel bearings do you mean the mondo > nuts that hold the hub on? The ones that go on right before the drive > flange? The service manual describes measuring float with a dial guage > so I just made sure it wiggled a tiny bit. Should I crank these down? Yes Imeant these nuts. They are only 2 1/16 AF, that isn't that mondo. The inner one is what sets the bearing float, which is supposed to be 10 thou, I think. That is enough that you can feel the hub wobble a tiny bit when you spin it, but not so much you notice without paying special attention. The outer nut is there to keep the inner one from backing off. David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:54:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Oily front brakes... yes but... On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Adrian Redmond wrote: > I know that the oil is coming from the swivel housing, but is it coming > from between the housing and the axle stump/backplate, or is it coming > from inside the axle, and through the hub? How do I find out - before > stripping the lot - is it worth tightening the hub axle bearing nuts > first to try and seal? > Any ideas? If you take the wheel and drum off you should be able to see where the oil is leaking out. my bearings were really loose when I had this problem, very clear from spinning the tire. David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:39:41 -0400 Logging off for a few days...latest storm track has Bonnie going right over our heads here, and though we won't get whacked the way the southern Outer Banks will, there's this new 4 story frame apartment building going up 1/2 block up wind. My office is glass on two sides and the carpenters have spent the last several days loading the building with all sorts of potentially flying missles. Gonna knock the computers down and move 'em out of harm's way. Cheers, y'all. *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | Association of North American Rover Clubs | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:51:23 -0400 Subject: Re: BUT my wife says NO. Sob! (Almost no Rover content) You guys are lucky if no means maybe. I'm used to just the opposite. No means "Definitely NO". Maybe means "Maybe, but probably no", and Yes means "Maybe yes, maybe no, depending on how I feel". Cheers, Ray Burton - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: MRogers315@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:53:53 EDT Subject: Only one Land Rover Hello gang I'm back, sadly only spotted one Land Rover in Peru. If you are the proud owner of a Camel coloured S111 88 safari in Iquitos let me know as I captured it on the camcorder. Anything interesting been happening, whilst I was away?. Now attempting to re-subscribe. Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid + Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:15:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Differential Number TeriAnn, This number is hand stamped into the outer circumference of the differential housing casting. 62411 if I remember correctly. There are other numbers cast into the iron, but this is stamped in. 3/8" to 1/2" high numbers. Thanks again. Tom TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Vaughn Jacobs <vaughnjacobs@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? Hi My name is Vaughn. I own a 1969 SWB Land Rover ser.II. I try to do all my own repairs on my "Baby", But to get help & parts in here in South Africa is very difficult. I have to replace gears in my gearbox and need a MANUEL/instruction on how to not make a f*%#$-up. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ? e-mail : vaughnjacobs@hotmail.com Tel : (27)(836540225) Fax : (27)12 3481173 Adress : VL Jacobs P.O Box 26353 Gezina Pretoria, 0031 South Africa Thanks - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 13:02:41 -0700 Subject: Website updated Just to let people know I have made several additions to my web site in the last month or so. Recent additions include: - Dormobile advertising - two more Dormobile pictures added to the Dormobile picture Gallery - I have started a Carawagon picture gallery - I have started a page describing Cawawagons - I have added to my page on developing your own cooking style on the trail - I have added a page on Land Rover inspection before going off roading - I have added a page on things you should check after the off road trip - Updated the FRQ page - Added a page describing how Bob Bernard added a rear fuel tank to an 88 - Modified the spares I take on trips page - Updated my Land ROver links page - I have added some pictures to my gallery page on expedition prepared Land Rovers This includes a shot of the wood box kitchen used in the Badgerworks 88 ALso included are several detail pictures of Herbert Zipkin's 109. These include detail pictures of the mounts for storing the door top I invite you to stop by & take a look. If you want links added to your site please let me know. All I ask is a link to my site from yours. Take care, TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create beauty wherever you go. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:57:55 -0500 Subject: RE: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? - >I have to replace gears in my gearbox and need a MANUEL/instruction on >how to not make a f*%#$-up. I have been summoned again, but I know little about re-assambling a gearbox (disassambling is quite easy). Did it once, but not alone. luis MANUEL "it's good to be needed all around the world" gutiérrez - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 13:19:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Oily front brakes... yes but... >I know that the oil is coming from the swivel housing, but is it coming >from between the housing and the axle stump/backplate, or is it coming >from inside the axle, and through the hub? How do I find out - before ;>stripping the lot - is it worth tightening the hub axle bearing nuts ;>first to try and seal? ;>Any ideas? Best thing you can do is look carefully before you start cleaning and take your best guess. The seal at the rear of the hub is by far and away the most common leak point. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:25:31 +0200 (SAT) Subject: Re: When no means no (was: RE: BUT my wife says NO) All I did was to buy the wife a landy, now I can get away with murder provided it has to do with Land Rovers. Piet P.A.H. Fourie ( pah@saao.ac.za ) South African Astronomical Observatory. P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa. Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:33:57 +0200 (SAT) Subject: Re: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? > My name is Vaughn. I own a 1969 SWB Land Rover ser.II. > I try to do all my own repairs on my "Baby", But to get help & parts in > here in South Africa is very difficult. > I have to replace gears in my gearbox and need a MANUEL/instruction on > how to not make a f*%#$-up. Hi Vaughn You are realy lucky. I am 370Km away from the nearest garage. I do all my landy work myself. Try a company called TMS, they have a branch in Pretoria. If I need technical advice this is the place or try LR Service centre Cape Town msm@lrservicecentre.co.za Contact me direct if I can help. Piet 55 S1 80 RR P.A.H. Fourie ( pah@saao.ac.za ) South African Astronomical Observatory. P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa. Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 13:36:26 -0700 Subject: Re: Oily front brakes Discussion of front hub leaks deleted ;>This is what happened to me, after I did a full swivel overhaul I started ;>to get oil in brakes. By tightening wheel bearings do you mean the mondo ;>nuts that hold the hub on? The ones that go on right before the drive ;>flange? The service manual describes measuring float with a dial guage ;>so I just made sure it wiggled a tiny bit. Should I crank these down? Front wheel bearings do not seem to last long if all the free play is removed (cranked down). The manual states that you should set the free play with a dial guage. I do not know anyone who actually does it that way. When you first assemble the bearings in place tighten the nut down tight to set the bearings in place then loosen the nut. Some people crank it down then back off one flat on the nut. I tighten it down to set the bearings and then turn it to get a feel for the bearings under pressure. Next I back the nut off a few flats to get a feeling of the bearings not under pressure. I use grease on my front bearings. I put some extra on the outside of the bearing. I try to adjust the nut to the place where I can not feel any side to side wobble but I can see wobble movement in the grease. The bearings do not have a tight feel at this point. This is about as close as you can get without loading the bearings. One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can push the inner nut in to take up your carefully adjusted free play. TeriAnn Wakeman The Green Rover, rebuilt and Santa Cruz, California and maintained using parts from twakeman@cruzers.com British Pacific 800-554-4133 http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create beauty wherever you go. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:53:24 EDT Subject: Re: LRM In a message dated 26/08/98 01:31:28 BST, you write: I was really just checking to see if the ticker was still ticking and you were paying attention. >> still ticking - and watching you, young Wilson :-)> (and going to look at intercoolers at the weekend, more power, tee hee) Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:23:40 +0000 Subject: Series 3 For Sale I'm selling my Series 3, located in Sackville, New Brunswick, due to the fact that at the present rate of repair, considering I only get down for a couple of weeks a year, it would be ready by the NEXT millenium. This is in no way a reflection on the state of the vehicle, more a comment on my work habits!!! It's at http://www.golden.net/~tantramar/Series3.html if you want to see more. Cheers, Ian -- Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod http://www.golden.net/~tantramar Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast Stratford, Ontario Phone(519) 273-7771 Fax (519) 273-3993 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:16 EDT Subject: Re: Oily front brakes In a message dated 26/08/98 15:44:57 BST, you write: << Are the front brake shoes junk, or can they be cleaned? What does on clean this with? >> Adrian, we pour petrol on 'em and set 'em on fire....... not a lot of petrol and well away from anything else flammable and have a fire extinguisher close by. but it does work, honest. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:17 EDT Subject: Re: best of luck Sandy, we;ve seen preparatiions for Bonnie on the Tv here so it looks like a real bad one. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:10 EDT Subject: Re: First Drive In a message dated 26/08/98 11:24:29 BST, you write: << Funny,ennit Frank.I've had the 88" 11 years now,and I *still* like to park it where I can see it from the office window.. >> that's what I mean Mike Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:19 EDT Subject: Re: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? Hi Vaughn, to Majordomo send message: subscibe za-lro you'll find some help closer to home. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:18 EDT Subject: Re: Only one Land Rover In a message dated 26/08/98 19:58:47 BST, you write: << me know as I captured it on the camcorder. Anything interesting been happening, whilst I was away?. Now attempting to re-subscribe. Mike Rogers >> sorry, who are you??? anon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:02:11 +0200 Subject: Re: Oily front brakes Wewll I spent the evening pulling the drums, hubs and brakes off the left side - it could be due to a SPOT (Stupid Present Owner Trick). First I checked the oil level in the swivel housing, as I guess that this is where the oil is coming from (where else?) - the level was up to the filler plug, and the trickle that ran out when I unscrewed the plug was clean, clear brown gear oil. The mess inside the drum was black oil. An experiment on the bench of mixing gear oil and tractor axle grease (which I use to pack the hub bearings - showed that, when whipped, the resulting mess is grey. Add a little brake shoe dust from the other drum (which I checked and found dry) and the gunge is black. Ergo! Inspection showed that the axle shaft plate and brake backplate are fine, no leaks and the liquid gasket seals are OK (yes I did let them cure before pressing them toigether). So my theory is as follows - the hub bearing was too loose, thus allowing the axle end to play a little in the free wheel hub (AVM's) and oil from the swivel housing to enter the FWH. From there it mixed with the grease in the hub bearing, and dribbled out of the rear hub seal, into the brake area, being whipped around by the hub flages in the process. Evidence to support this theory - the bolts holding the FWH's were loose - all six of them. The Axle had a little play in the hub end - another 1/6th of a turn before putting in the cotter pin would have helped. The retaining nuts which tighten the hub/bearings onto the axle shaft were too easy to undo for my liking. Three reasons for oil moving from one compartment to another. This seems to have happened today, as the car was definatly not dripping yesterday (witness workshop floor) and its braking characteristics changed today. Luckily despite the mess, the oil had not soaked into the brake shoes - a wash in petrol, a minute in a flame, a wash in water, and a light sanding, and they are as dry, coarse, and light grey as before. I assembled the lot and checked the right hand side too - that was OK. Then I took her for a drive on the lane, and did a series of emergency stops - starting at 30 kph and moving up to 80 kph. Light control of steering wheel to monitor possible pulling to one side - no problem - braked straight every time, and even allowed the wheels to lock tight. This time I tightened the lot - maybe the hub/bearings are a little too tight, but I guess that's better than loose. The hubs are stiff to turn without wheels on, but with wheel and tyre, the wheel rolls freely when jacked up. I seem to remember, that just before I went to Greenland in May, I had a rolling frame which wasn't rolling, and I needed to get it finished and on wheels so that I could clean up the workshop and park the other vehicles indoors. I assembled the swivel housings that evening and got the frame rolling in time to clean up - but did not tighten everything up - you know "I'll do that when I get home" - sort of thing. Well, six weeks later, I was home, finished the rebuild, sent the wagon to the mechainc to check it before the MOT, then went for the MOT inspection. Neither I, my mechanic, or the MOT station spotted the fault - which could have resulted in a nasty event which could have ruined my day. It's funny - I am used to taking things apart and rebuilding - both machines, computers and electronics, and my usual rule is, do it properly, don't cut corners, and if you have to leave something half done. leave it undone, so that you know that what you have done is complete. This time I seem to have fooled myself - which serves as a timely warning to fiddlers mechanical under circumstances stressful. OK, I could havce avoided the oil brakes by using grease in the swivel housing - as many here have recommended. However, I would have clocked up many miles before discovering that my left wheel was held on by luck and gravity. So I guess I'll stick to gear oil. Thanks to all the words of advice, analysis and warning - I think I have solved it - though for safety's sake, I'm pulling the rear drums tomorrow for a look-see. The the front again in about a week just to be sure. Drive safely now... :-) Adrian Redmond - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jarvis64@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:40:15 EDT Subject: Jumping out of fourth gear Never fixed synchros myself, but used to have same prob. Had engine out around that time, so had mechanic disassemble tranny + replace spring clips, but have since heard that you can replace synchro spring clips thro' the inspection cover by using some forceps. Anyone know anything first-hand about this process for our friend in need? Bill Rice 64 IIA 109SW Columbus GA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jarvis64@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:40:20 EDT Subject: Waxoyl and welding Hey folks, If I waxoyl the interior of my chassis and need to weld some spots in a few months or years, is there significant danger of me igniting the inside of my frame? Bill Rice - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SPYDERS@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:50:02 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Oily front brakes In a message dated 8/26/98 4:37:31 PM, you wrote: <<One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can push the inner nut in to take up your carefully adjusted free play.>> yeeeouch! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: IBEdwardp@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:43:51 EDT Subject: Re: First Drive In a message dated 98-08-26 06:24:29 EDT, Ben and then Mike wrote: << I say, the day I park it, walk away and >DON'T turn to look at it once, is when I give up. (Ben) Funny,ennit Frank.I've had the 88" 11 years now,and I *still* like to park it where I can see it from the office window. (Mike) >> All this time I thought I was wierd or perverted or worse because I liked to look at my 88, always checked to see if anyone was watching me before I turned around for a last look and, yes, tried to park it where I could take a comforting look every now and again! Thanks Ben and Mike. I'm still not sure I'm anywhere near normal, but at least I know I'm not alone. There's more to a Land-Rover than steel and birmabright and oil on the driveway. Rover on! Ed Bailey 66 S2a 88 Still somewhere in East Tennessee (I think) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:31:25 -0400 Subject: Temp gauge calibration. Nate, the si,plest wat to check the accuracy of the temperature probe is to put the probe in boiling water. This will indicate if the instrument is accurate in the temperature region that is the important one. Remember water boils at 100 degrees Celsius !!! Bill Leacock ( Limey in exile ) NY USA. 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:09:01 EDT Subject: Tightening nuts.... no lr content <<<<One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can push the inner nut in to take up your carefully adjusted free play.>>yeeeouch! <<<<One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can Hilary... get me a wench... er... wrench. Bubba - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: LRM >In a message dated 26/08/98 01:31:28 BST, you write: > I was really just checking to see if the ticker was still ticking and you > were paying attention. >still ticking - and watching you, young Wilson :-)> I have a full class(24) of 10yr olds that I spoke to about you, even showed `em a picture from an old LRO that I keep on the shelves for "free reading time"... We will still be writing to you as a bit of a class project even though they saw the picture...;) You only frightened a few of them, so don't feel too bad.... We'll be learning a bit about the U.K. this year as well as how to write a proper letter so I thought I'd combine the two... No naughty returns though...;) Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner "That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...." Dennis Miller - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:38:43 -0400 Subject: Clutch Master Hello, Don't ask why, but I took the Zebramobile to a mechanic and he's changing the master and slave clutch cylinders. What's a reasonable amount of time to do this on a 1966 SIIa SWB, in hours? (Imperial or otherwise) You guessed it! Me thinks he's taking a bit too long, but not having tried it I can't say for sure. Thanks for any help, Joel Baskin jbaskin@acm.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tightening nuts.... no lr content ><<<<One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can >push the inner nut in to take up your carefully adjusted free play.>>yeeeouch! ><<<<One problem is slop in the nuts. When you tighten the outer nut it can >Hilary... get me a wench... er... wrench. That lesbian bitch wouln't know what to do with a good nut if you slapped her accross the face with a good pair.... Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner "That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...." Dennis Miller - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Kent J. Shih" <calypso@tankong.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:43:42 -0700 Subject: Overdrive for LT95 Does any one know if I can still get a Fairey Overdrive for my 4-speed LT-95 gearbox? Are there other makers of overdrive unit? I heard Santanas have their own overdrive unit. But does it work on V8? Thanks. -- Kent J. Shih \_____ D±±±±±±±¬ 1982 Series III calypso@tankong.com \__ _==/_|_|_|_]| Stage 1 V8 TEL: (206) 409-8106 \___ | _ | | / _'||] 109" Stationwagon FAX: (425) 640-6607________\_¯(©)¯¯¯¯¯(©)¯____.__\|/__._.___\|/_.__ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:27:57 +0200 (SAT) Subject: Re: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? > > My name is Vaughn. I own a 1969 SWB Land Rover ser.II. > > I try to do all my own repairs on my "Baby", But to get help & parts in > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)] > > I have to replace gears in my gearbox and need a MANUEL/instruction on > > how to not make a f*%#$-up. > Hi Vaughn [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > If I need technical advice this is the place or try LR Service centre Cape > Town msm@lrservicecentre.co.za LR Service centre is a garage in Cape Town owned by very competent people all who love Land Rovers. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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From: "Shaun Fisher" <FisherS@natburo.kzntl.gov.za> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:58:44 +0200 Subject: Re: 1969 Landrover ser II Gearbox ? >>> "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za> 08/27 9:27 AM >>> > > My name is Vaughn. I own a 1969 SWB Land Rover ser.II. > > I try to do all my own repairs on my "Baby", But to get help & parts in [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)] > Try a company called TMS, they have a branch in Pretoria. > If I need technical advice this is the place or try LR Service centre Cape > Town msm@lrservicecentre.co.za >LR Service centre is a garage in Cape Town owned by very >competent >people all who love Land Rovers. TMS also have a branch in Durban Shaun Fisher SERIES IIA (THE BITCH) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:22:29 +0100 Subject: At last! Everyone! I'm soooo happy, as to be positively euphoric! I'm off to pick up my nice shiny 1978 109" on Saturday! It's got 4000 miles on the clock, a full canvas, and you guessed it's ex-military! Finally, after the problems I had with poor Robin, and his wheel falling off, I will have my dream machine! The wife is equally happy (the trick is to let them help you choose, and make it seem like their idea!) Anyway, does anyone have any IDEA how you attach 2 baby seats into such a beast!? I can try to put them both in the front.....but? Are there any kits available to make sure the harsh (but oh so much fun) ride doesn't bounce them out of their shackles?! It's a 2 door btw. Oh, just to make you all giggle, while ringing round the insurance companies, I was told that my 109", was in fact a 2 door cabriolet!!!!!!!! tee hee Neil SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SWB - SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864) SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - Not Registered Yet! Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - Comfortable and Powerful! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980827 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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