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From: "Said Geoffrey at MITTS" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:11:49 +0100
Subject: Visiting New York

Any one on the list is from New York (or lives near)

I am going to visit New York next month and just for curiosity to check if 
there 
is someone there who drives landrovers.

If he is not very far we can even meet!!

Thanks
Geoffrey
Malta

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:45:00 +0200
Subject: Re: axle lubrication SIII 88"

I am having a "conceptual" problem here - someone please correct me if I
am wrong in the following theory -

The lubrication systems of the SIII (Rover) axles are seperate - oil in
the differential, air in the axle housing, grease in the hub, and oil in
the front swivel pin housings. The oil from the diff does not enter the
axle or the hubs, likewise the oil from the front swivel pin housings
does not enter the axle or the hubs. Grease from the hubs does not enter
the swivel pin housing or the axle.

Is this the right description? (Why isn't the some simple "conceptual"
explanation in any of the service manuals?)

Filling the diff with oil seems logical and fairly murphy-proof - just
fill it up to the filler plug, close, and check now and again.

Likewise the oil in the swivel pin housing. Same principle as the diff.

But what about greasing the bearings? How much grease should they have,
and how often should they be checked?

I am refitting the rebuilt axles to my 88 this weekend, so any words of
wisdom which prevent me from ruining the rig will we welcome.

Thanks!

Adrian Redmond

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:08:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Leaking transmission... quick fix?

In message <bulk.26413.19980522201210@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Jeff Goldman
<roverboy@gis.net> writes
>  Problem... Series IIA Suffix F transmission, oil leaking out the rear
>(through parking brake drum). Is there quick way of getting at this seal,
>or do I have to take the whole works apart (xfer case and output casing)?
>Thanks!
>Jeff Goldman

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>Jeff Goldman
>Boston, MA

You have too take the drum brake assy off the transfer box, the oil seal is
in a housing behind it. It is about a 1-2 hour job depending on how much crap
is down under there. You do not have to take the transfer box apart.
-- 
andy Smith

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:34:20 -0400
Subject: Re: rattle

Bore da, Elwyn              Is it more like a tinkling sound
..................check the timing.

David Williams wrote:

> ----------
> > From: Elwyn York <Elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
> > To: lro@playground.sun.com
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
> > Hi
> > I think i have a small problem. I have found that when in fourth gear
> doing
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> Hmmmm.
> Keith Williams   kandk@lineone.net

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:40:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking transmission... quick fix?

Probably because your breather holes were plugged. Speedy sleeves work but are
expensive.

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> Not a big deal.  Just need to remove the drive shaft and the parking brake,
> if my memory serves me right.  The out put flange could have a groove worn
> in it by the old seal which makes a good seal a problem.  Supposedly there
> are sleeves to put over the shaft if that is the case but have had no
> experience with them.  FWIW new OEM seals didn't do a hell of a lot to stop
> oil leaks in my transmission.
> Aloha Peter
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> >(through parking brake drum). Is there quick way of getting at this seal,
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 15 lines)]

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From: MRogers315 <MRogers315@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:35:05 EDT
Subject:  Re: LR chat

Rovergo wrote:
> doe's anyone on the list ever use the landy chat site if so what time pst.
>  pat young

I have looked in five or six times now but there has never been anyone to talk
to. One can only hang around so long waiting for company, or you start to
attract strange looks.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: "S. Vels" <dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk>
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:49:20 +0001
Subject: Re: LR chat

> Rovergo wrote:
> > doe's anyone on the list ever use the landy chat site if so what time pst.
> >  pat young
> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
>Paul Oxley wrote: 
> I've tried (when Soren announced it actually) and it was great. Lately,
> however, I haven't been able to get onto it for some reason - the
> javascript doesn't seem to want to run.

The server was under maintenance for a couple of days but seems to be 
up and running again. 

I've been peeking in now and then, but i have only met 2 (and a half) 
yet. I guess that the chat site is like a web site, - it takes people 
to attract people. 

There are situations where a chat could be really useful. If you have 
an issue you need to discuss, you can announce it on this list and 
give a time when you will log on to the chat. If, for instance, you 
need to get your daily driver ready for monday morning, you might be 
able to get some help right away without the lag of the mailing list.

The chat will either grow and reach a steady 
visit or die. Let's see how it goes.

regards
sv/auens

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http://users.cybercity.dk/~dko5319/LRD/mainchat.html
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 22:38:04 +0200
Subject: Re: SIII 88" brake drums

Hi folks!

I have just reconned my axles, and am refitting the new bits on the rear
axle - new slave cylinders, brake shoes, brake drums, and hub bearings.
All the springs, adjusters and screws are new,

I have finished the left side - and the new brake drum is binding a
little - the adjuster is adjusted to "zero" - is this normal, does the
binding wear off on the first two miles - or is there a problem.

On the right side, the drum won't even go on - it's as if it's 2 mm too
small. Everything seems to sit right, the shoes are in place, adjuster
set to "zero", but it won't fit.

Any pointers anyone?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:32:15
Subject: Re: axle lubrication SIII 88"

There are two seals on each side of the front axle.  One keeps the
differential oil in the differential/non swiveling axle portion.  The other
keeps the oil in the swivel pin housing and off the brakes and is located
in the hub flange.  The oil in the swivel pin housing lubricates everything
downstream including the wheel bearings.  The grease in the bearings is
apparently overkill to be sure the bearings are lubricated immediately
after installation of if not run immediately after a rebuild.  I have not
seen grease in the three axles that I have disassembled and did not use
grease on reassembly.  Didn't know the manual called for grease until it
came up on this list.  One of those axles has gone over 50,000 miles
without ever being greased and is still doing fine.  By the way, the reason
I say over 50,000 miles is that the speedo didn't work for the first two
sets of tires.  I have put 50,000+ miles on it since I fixed the speedo and
still haven't run through the second set of tires installed AFTER the
speedo fix.  

	I'd grease them simply because the manual calls for it, then forget 
about
the grease.  It obviously ain't necessary for longevity.  The manual seems
to take the same tack as there is no requirement to repack the front wheel
bearings.  

	Sometime along the way, rover did change to a bearing/swivel pin design
that does not lubricate the bearings with oil.  Think it was the advent of
the D90 but not certain.

Hope this clears things up a bit

Aloha Peter O

At 12:45 PM 5/23/98 +0200, you wrote:
>I am having a "conceptual" problem here - someone please correct me if I
>am wrong in the following theory -
>The lubrication systems of the SIII (Rover) axles are seperate - oil in
>the differential, air in the axle housing, grease in the hub, and oil in
>the front swivel pin housings. The oil from the diff does not enter the
>axle or the hubs, likewise the oil from the front swivel pin housings
>does not enter the axle or the hubs. Grease from the hubs does not enter
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>e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
>Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:50:37
Subject: Re: SIII 88" brake drums

I'm sure you've checked, but be sure the slave cylinder is completely
compressed and stays that way.  May need to crack the hydraulic line to
keep the cylinder from expanding and hanging up the drum.  If your drums
are new, they may be tight.  All mine have been turned so haven't had a
problem with dragging once installed but have had to compress the shoes and
quickly install the drum before they eased out on at least one occasion.
Aloha Peter O

At 10:38 PM 5/23/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi folks!
>I have just reconned my axles, and am refitting the new bits on the rear
>axle - new slave cylinders, brake shoes, brake drums, and hub bearings.
>All the springs, adjusters and screws are new,
>I have finished the left side - and the new brake drum is binding a
>little - the adjuster is adjusted to "zero" - is this normal, does the

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 31 lines)]
>e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
>Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:53:40
Subject: Re: Visiting New York

Was there last summer.  Range Rovers seem to be the urban assault vehicle
of choice.  They give no quarter so watch your step as a pedestrian.
Aloha Peter O

At 01:11 PM 5/23/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Any one on the list is from New York (or lives near)
>I am going to visit New York next month and just for curiosity to check if

there 
>is someone there who drives landrovers.
>If he is not very far we can even meet!!
>Thanks
>Geoffrey
>Malta

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From: Frankelson <Frankelson@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 18:07:59 EDT
Subject: Re: axle lubrication SIII 88"

In a message dated 23/05/98  22:34:22, you write:

<< I'd grease them simply because the manual calls for it, then forget about
 the grease.  It obviously ain't necessary for longevity.  The manual seems
 to take the same tack as there is no requirement to repack the front wheel
 bearings.   >>

I agree with all you said Peter. I have always assumed the grease was simply
to protect the bearings themselves for that first hundred yards before the new
oil (after reassembly) hits 'em.

What we have found. 'though, is the beginner who has read, or heard, that
grease is needed. So he packs it in there... then adds some more in case he
hasn't used enough.... then a bit more for luck... and some more because what
harm can it do?

He then tightens everything up - he thinks (grease being damn good at
hydraulics) - and within a month has a bearing failure 'cos the damn thing was
loose once the grease had warmed up and gone elsewhere.

I stood and watched one bloke who couldn't get the end cap back on because
there was so much grease in there !

One LR parts bloke I know, when they come back in for another bearing, moaning
'cos one only lasted a month or so, tells 'em to use less grease.

best cheers

Frank

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:50:48 +0200
Subject: Re: axle lubrication SIII 88"

Frankelson wrote:
I agree with all you said Peter. I have always assumed the grease was
simply to protect the bearings themselves for that first hundred yards
before the new oil (after reassembly) hits 'em.

What oil? How does oil from the diff. or the swivel ball housing get
anywhere near the wheel bearings? My hubs have seals on the back to
prevent grease getting out and oil getting in?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:45:26 +0200
Subject: Re: SIII 88" brake drums

Thanks Peter!

That was the trick which was needed - I removed the new slave cylinders
and compressed the pistons lightly in the vice - then it went like a
dream - as for the binding - the problem was simple - I have only one
countersunk screw holding my drums to the hub, so the hub was a little
skew - whehn the wheels were bolted on this solved the problem.

Many thanks!

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> I'm sure you've checked, but be sure the slave cylinder is completely
> compressed and stays that way.  May need to crack the hydraulic line to
> keep the cylinder from expanding and hanging up the drum.  If your drums
> are new, they may be tight.  All mine have been turned so haven't had a
> problem with dragging once installed but have had to compress the shoes and
> quickly install the drum before they eased out on at least one occasion.
> Aloha Peter O
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> >I have just reconned my axles, and am refitting the new bits on the rear
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 34 lines)]

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:48:03 +0200
Subject: Re: axle lubrication SIII 88"

Hi again!

My front wheels do not seem to get lube to the hub bearings from the
swivel ball. Mines a 1979 88"

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> There are two seals on each side of the front axle.  One keeps the
> differential oil in the differential/non swiveling axle portion.  The other
> keeps the oil in the swivel pin housing and off the brakes and is located
> in the hub flange.  The oil in the swivel pin housing lubricates everything
> downstream including the wheel bearings.  The grease in the bearings is
> apparently overkill to be sure the bearings are lubricated immediately
> after installation of if not run immediately after a rebuild.  I have not
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 34 lines)]
> >am wrong in the following theory -
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 44 lines)]

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: "MARY THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:11:41 -0400
Subject: Front seats

I need front seats in my Series I. How about it, could anyone recommend a
seat that would fit from the local scrap yard. The ones that I have tried
are too big in the seat.  (ROO)

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 17:40:04 +1200
Subject: Re Lr Chat

Hello Everyone. If by some chance, times are banded about for a general get
together in the chat room. Please remember that this is a international
forum so Times should be given in GMT This is probably common sense but hey
landrovers owners are not common 
Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
Series 3
tomd@clear.net.nz
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