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2 "C McCartan" [cmcc@dial.19Re: "Hillman - " Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
3 "Venn, Neil" [Neil.Venn@22NAS 90 Roll Cage
4 Paul Wakefield - Serco [36re: chassis protection
5 Michael Fredette [mfrede29Re: Refinishing Steel/Al Parts
6 LEBLANC_CJ 33Leaf Springs
7 gruno@att.net.hk (Keith 32re: chassis protection - keeping all lro posts
8 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml22RE: Series II heater layout
9 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 30SIII 88" FS/Trade
10 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 10SIII FS/Trade addendum
11 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o20Re[2]: Non PC comment on TeriAnn's site.
12 NADdMD [NADdMD@aol.com> 12Re: Re[2]: Non PC comment on TeriAnn's site.
13 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [27Re: Leaf Springs
14 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us18Re: Leaf Springs
15 SPYDERS [SPYDERS@aol.com7Re: Re: Leaf Springs
16 GElam30092 [GElam30092@a23Re: New Land Rover magazine
17 =?us-ascii?Q?Douglas_Boh17RE: New Land Rover magazine
18 britcars@juno.com (Lawre24Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
19 David Kurzman [kurzman@i14Richmond, Va. Brit. Car Show
20 Michael Fredette [mfrede16Salisbury vs Rover question
21 jory bell [jory@org.org>33Ser 2a rolling chassis for sale in SF,CA,USA
22 Gregspitz [Gregspitz@aol9Re: NAS 90 Roll Cage
23 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml1615 Inch Rim Width?
24 "C McCartan" [cmcc@dial.30Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
25 "d.h.lowe" [dhlowe@idire25Re: Refinishing Steel/Al Parts
26 "The Stockdales" [mstock17Re: Series II Heater
27 "William L. Leacock" [wl13Spelling
28 asfco@banet.net 14Re: Series II Heater
29 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns15Re: Leaf Springs
30 torque@pacific.net.sg (L29Re: 15 Inch Rim Width?
31 jory bell [jory@mit.edu>20Re: Series II Heater
32 MGMagnette [MGMagnette@a47British Cars Owner Survey- 6 Questions
33 David Scheidt [david@inf16Re: 15 Inch Rim Width?
34 "Gary Thompson" [singer@24Re: "Hillman - " Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
35 "Adam Jones" [adam.jones21Overdrive noise
36 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd15Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
37 Craig Morgan [C.Morgan@s29Re: Leaf Springs
38 "Richard Marsden"[rmarsd13Texas


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From: "C McCartan" <cmcc@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:41 +0100
Subject: Re: "Hillman - " Re:  Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)

> >LOTUS?  The REAL James bond drove a BENTLEY.
> >Respectfully,

Ermm...the REAL James Bond lived down the street from me and didn't have a
car.

> If you read "Dr. No," you'll find he drove a HILLMAN !!

That's me off to read it then. No seriously. 

Yours, very occasional contributor, worrying about about all the people
this is going to,
Charlie

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From: "Venn, Neil" <Neil.Venn@capgemini.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:21:07 +0100
Subject: NAS 90 Roll Cage

I understand that the NAS 90 Soft Top has a roll cage that is external at 
the front to protect the screen and doors yet internal at the back so that 
the soft top goes over it. Is this true?  I believe that the rear roll cage 
has hoops over the bulkhead and right at the back over the "door".

This is the sort of arrangement I would like on my SIII SWB (when I get 
it!). As I am in the UK it is rather difficult for me to go look at a NAS 
90 "in the flesh" so can anybody point me to some clear pictures of one. I 
want to see how the soft top goes over the rear cage and under the front, 
and where the pick-up points are for the rear hoop? Photos, diagrams or 
even descriptions would be good.

TIA
Neil Venn
1974 MG Midget (modified)
SIII SWB Land Rover (on the way...)

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From: Paul Wakefield - Serco <Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:41:28 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: chassis protection

Adrian inquires as to chassis/frame, ok UNDERBODY protection:

: After years of using black enamel "machine" paint for my 88" chassis- I
: am about to try the Black Hammerite solution, I tried a small patch last
: night and was impressed by the cover and the finish.
: Any sage words of wisdom or warning out there?

Happened to be reading that: 
Ray West <raywest@mcmail.com> wrote Sun, 29 Mar 1998 on uk-lro
1998 on uk-lro

> 1) Painting of Chassis - use Chassis -Black (from Partco?) about 16UKP /gal
> - far, far, far, better than Hammerite

Don't know the reason, but maybe you'd like to grill him direct 
(as this is an X-post)

Interestingly he also wrote in reference to 'keeping all lro posts':

> 5) I've got all the uk-lro digests back to July 1996 which on reflection is 
> nothing to be proud of.

I've got 421 files, 2137 blocks of LR technical data. I'm selective on how I 
fill my hard drives !

However I have 2.9 Mb of digest backlog to go through before I catch up :-(

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Refinishing Steel/Al Parts

 
 Hi There - How do I take off the skins? Can you unfold the Al? - Peter
 
 -----------------------
 Peter M. Kaskan

Peter,

    Gord'n Perrot, the prez of the Pacific Coast club out here did an incredible
IIa resto that he showed at last years All Brit Field Leak. What he was exactly
as you describe, he carefully unfolded the aluminum skins from both doors, top 
and
bottom, and the rear door as well. He then took the the steel frames and 
stripped
then hot dip galvanized them. Then carefully reskinned, then masked off the 
frames
and painted the skins only. This left that neat galvanized/painted look to go 
along
with the rest of the body cappings on the bed. His resto took first in class and
no wonder, it was absolutely perfect.

Mike 
101FC

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From: LEBLANC_CJ 
</DD.XMRROUTE=Leblanc#l#u#r#Cj#l#a#r#AM#l#a#r#I22005/@csc-scc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 13 May 1998 15:57:09 +0000
Subject: Leaf Springs

Howdy all

In an effort to save a few dollaros ($750 Cdn) I am considering using
leaf springs from one of my donor vehicles in the ground up restoration
of my IIA.  By looking at them they appear fine.  They are not crushed
in the middle like so many I've seen during the many "field extractions"
I took upon myself.  (I like taking in old, left for dead, Land Rovers
and salvage anything that doesn't break while dismantling them.  I think
this is what some might call the acute version of catching the Land
Rover bug".)  

My questions are:

1- What should one look for in determining whether or not the leaf   
   spring are still good?  I will be changing the shocks and bushings on
   both the frame and springs.

2- Can a spring shop help?

3- Are they somehow rebuildable?       

Thanks in advance 

Charles LeBlanc
69 IIA 
CHARLES.LEBLANC.@ATL.csc-scc.csc.scc.x400.gc.ca

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From: gruno@att.net.hk (Keith Addison)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:07:13 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: re: chassis protection - keeping all lro posts

>Interestingly he also wrote in reference to 'keeping all lro posts':
>> 5) I've got all the uk-lro digests back to July 1996 which on reflection is
>> nothing to be proud of.
>I've got 421 files, 2137 blocks of LR technical data. I'm selective on how I
>fill my hard drives !
>However I have 2.9 Mb of digest backlog to go through before I catch up :-(

That'll take time - will you ever catch up Paul? It's no bad thing to keep
all posts, I keep them all. Most postings get little more than a glance,
often only at the title, though I do extract what's of immediate interest.
But you never know what might prove useful amid so much shared wisdom and
experience. I know this is an attitude that can lead to mounds of useless
clutter, but it's easy to maintain a digest archives. And unlike paper
archives (the more you have the more cumbersome and inaccessible it gets),
you can quickly find just what you need without having to read everything
if you use a good search engine, like UltraFind if you're a Mac person, or
Sonar Professional if you want to get heavy about it. Both can search
Eudora or other mailboxes so there's no need for reformatting with a word
processor. No need for anything. It makes about 1-3 Mb a month, not too
much, and I find it and other such archives a most useful resource, for
which I'm deeply grateful each time it helps to clear the mists of
ignorance and confusion (often, often!). Thanks all!!

Rgds

Keith

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:45:29 -0700
Subject: RE: Series II heater layout

Hi Steve,

Your heater layout sounds very similar to mine (early '61 Series II
#144101239).  I have a good picture of my setup on my web page at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/  Go to the picture
gallery.

The intake goes through the mudshield and via a hose over top of the
tyre to the front inner wing panel facing the head lights.  I have been
told that it looks like an early version of the kodiak heater.  Dispite
a few rust holes, mine still works great!

Let me know if it looks like the same setup as yours as I've never seen
one like it either...

Paul in Victoria.

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:58:06 EDT
Subject: SIII 88" FS/Trade

Hi all,

As most of you probably read here, about 2 years ago I bought 3 88"s (2 SIII
and 1 SIIa) for a restoration project and parts cars.

I have now come to the point where I am able to sell (or trade) one of the
SIII's.
Lots of possibilities here:
1. Sell the SIII
2. Trade\barter for a resto project 109 
3. Sell SIII and extra parts (spare engine/ gearbox, tub, etc)

Basically, I have a complete SIII which needs some chassis and exhaust work
(doorposts and footwells could use some work but are ok as is) which I have no
plans for.  

Additionally, I am looking for a 109 project which will ultimately get turned
into a hybrid (wife wants automatic transmission).

Any inquiries to my direct email address please (don't need the list traffic)

Thanks
Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:01:56 EDT
Subject: SIII FS/Trade addendum

Oh yea,
I'm in Maryland

Nate

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 13 May 98 12:04:57 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Non PC comment on TeriAnn's site.

>I note that when I get to TeriAnn's web page for B2B that it's entitled 
>Boarder to Boarder.
>>Thanks I already noticed the typo and corrected it.  I always appriciate 
>>feedback about my typos so that I can correct them.  Thanks.

Hmm. I didn't realize it was a typo...thought you just wanted to get to know 
the locals...:) 

BTW, what is non-PC about that?????

eh?

later
DaveB

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:19:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Non PC comment on TeriAnn's site.

In a message dated 5/13/98 1:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org writes:

<< BTW, what is non-PC about that????? >>
It was a transcription error on a Macintosh Newton 
N

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:59:48 -1000
Subject: Re: Leaf Springs

	My experience is appearance is no indicator of longevity of spring.  
Had a
sound looking spring on right front but it sagged.  Ordered a new
aftermarket spring but it didn't fit.  Stuck on a rusty(corrosion craters,
not superficial rust) spring with longitudinal cracks as a temporary
measure.  Three years and 30,000 miles, its still there, works fine, and
the sag is gone.  Wish I would have taken the opportunity to save up for
the parabolics that will replace it, if it ever goes.
Aloha Peter

At 03:57 PM 5/13/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Howdy all
>In an effort to save a few dollaros ($750 Cdn) I am considering using
>leaf springs from one of my donor vehicles in the ground up restoration
>of my IIA.  By looking at them they appear fine.  They are not crushed
>in the middle like so many I've seen during the many "field extractions"
>I took upon myself.  (I like taking in old, left for dead, Land Rovers
>and salvage anything that doesn't break while dismantling them.  I think
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
>69 IIA 
>CHARLES.LEBLANC.@ATL.csc-scc.csc.scc.x400.gc.ca

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:09:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaf Springs

Eyeball inspection of the spring will only tell you whether it's too 
rusty or cracked to be useful. Unfortunately, you won't know if the 
spring is good until the weight of the vehicle is on it, and sometimes 
not until you've driven it around for a while. Best bet is to simply 
install new units that are going to give the fewest headaches. Rebuilds 
and cobble jobs are best left to the J**p set.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:02:26 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Leaf Springs

 

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From: GElam30092 <GElam30092@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:53:52 EDT
Subject: Re: New Land Rover magazine

<<Re: New Land Rover magazine
As with porno magazines...it's more fun to be doing it than reading about it.
Bill Adams>>

OK Bill... since you brought it up (pun intended), what would the equivalent
of Viagra be to a LRO?  

And anyway,  who *reads* porno mags anyway??

BTW, for those who like reading and doing, Brit Pac has the 50th anniversary
of LRO as their internet special today.  In an obvious ploy to sell more
magazines, the 50th is available with the same content but three different
covers.  

Later....
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: =?us-ascii?Q?Douglas_Bohme?= <schailey@uscom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:02:01 -0400
Subject: RE: New Land Rover magazine

"And anyway,  who *reads* porno mags anyway??"

I like the articles...

"what would the equivalent of Viagra be to a LRO?"

A 300TDI?

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767 "Fritz"
schailey@uscom.com

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From: britcars@juno.com (Lawrence J Alexander)
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:57:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)

On Wed, 13 May 1998 00:52:41 +0100 "C McCartan" <cmcc@dial.pipex.com>
writes:
(SNIP)
>Ermm...the REAL James Bond lived down the street from me and didn't 
>have a car.

>Yours, very occasional contributor, worrying about about all the 
>people this is going to,
>Charlie

Charlie.....Don't worry about us! You should worry that James Bond might
come knocking at your door to cadge a lift somewhere, interrupting your
reading about Hillmans (Hillmen?). What a way to ruin a good
day........:-)

Lawrie

You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:19:04
Subject: Richmond, Va. Brit. Car Show

For those close to Richmond, Va......
The Richmond Triumph Register is holding their 6th Annual British Car Day
this Sunday at The Boulders (off of Midlothian Turnpike).
There will probably be only 5-6 series vehicles there but there will
be plenty of nice little shiny sports cars to look at. 
I'll be there in a greasy dirty limestone '66 88 ragtop. Best, Pete 
(AKA Dave)
PS...If you want some more info feel free to email me direct. 

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Salisbury vs Rover question

Hi kids,

    An esoteric question here for the gurus. Is the bolt pattern where the
stub axle mounts to the swivel pin housing the same on Salisbury and Rover
axles? IE: would Series stub axles bolt up to a Salisbury swivel pin housing.
The 109 1 ton pickups used a Salisbury on the front, same stub axles here?

Rgds
Mike
101FC 

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From: jory bell <jory@org.org>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:27:10 -0700
Subject: Ser 2a rolling chassis for sale in SF,CA,USA

I am selling a Series 2a 88" rolling chassis. It is very original and (I
believe entirely) rust free. The axles and brakes, etc are on and in good
consition. Comes complete with gearbox, xfer case, petrol tank and sender.
I can also leave the partially disassembled engine on there as well (I have
all the parts somewhat organized but the PO was trying to diagnose some
problem with it - unsuccessfully.) Prior to being taken off the road with
an engine problem last year, the rover was a daily driver in very nice
mechanical condition. The PO decided to embark on a restoration and bagged
halfway through and I ended up with the beast in lieu of certain monetary
considerations :) I already did a series restoration and was thinking
coiler for this one...

The body is currently removed, and I will complete the firewall removal and
basically take away anything else than might be necessary/desirable for a
coil conversion (so I think that means I will also include the steering
components, brake pedal box and master cylinder and clutch - Mike Smith
feel free to correct me here ;)

Oh yeah, it also includes these oversized 15" swamper wheels and big honkin
tires. go figure...

I might be able to include 15" rims without tires if the big wheels are not
your cup of tea.

The rolling frame is currently stored inside in San francisco, CA - $3250

::jory bell

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From: Gregspitz <Gregspitz@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:56:44 EDT
Subject: Re: NAS 90 Roll Cage

I have pictures of my D90 and a digital camera if you need more detail...email
me directly if you want it
Greg

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:59:18 -0700
Subject: 15 Inch Rim Width?

Does anybody know the width (rim to rim) of 15 inch Land Rover wheels?
It's kinda difficult to measure the width with the tyres mounted...but
they look wider than the 16 inch rims that I've seen.  

I currently have L750 15 Astro Whisper Grip tyres mounted that look like
they have a lot of life left, but I would like to switch to radials
ASAP.

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: "C McCartan" <cmcc@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:26:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)

> >Ermm...the REAL James Bond lived down the street from me and didn't 
> >have a car.
> >Yours, very occasional contributor, worrying about about all the 
> >people this is going to,
> >Charlie
> Charlie.....Don't worry about us! You should worry that James Bond might
> come knocking at your door to cadge a lift somewhere, interrupting your
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> day........:-)
> Lawrie

Dr No is an excellent read while you're waiting for your mail to download
BTW and having got a quarter thru it...
Bond drives a black Sunbeam Alpine (p31) but pays someone else to drive it
cause it's a marked car and it duly gets knocked off the road by a lorry.
His mate hires an Austin A.30. I'll need to go now, there's a guy at the
door shaying " Sho, Mishter McCartan, we meet again". Uh-oh.

Cheers Lawrie - that's a good Hibees name BTW - see 
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/cmcc/
(and the links) if you don't understand

All the best
Charlie

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:09:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Refinishing Steel/Al Parts

Go gently with the bending of the alum. wrap around. I  suggest you take a
plumbers torch to the edges to anneal ( soften)the metal. Don`t melt it just
heat it up and let it cool slowly on it`s own. When you re-skin the frame
warm the alum. again before you "dolly" the edges down.Remember the metal
will work harden as you bend it and can split at the edges if you are not
carefull.

Peter M. Kaskan wrote:

> Hi There - How do I take off the skins? Can you unfold the Al? - Peter
> -----------------------
> Peter M. Kaskan
> Uris Hall 231
> Dept. Of Psychology
> Cornell University
> 607-255-3382
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> pmk11@cornell.edu
> -----------------------

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:56:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Series II Heater

Forget about aligning any heater to a SII.  I believe that SII heaters were
all after market.  My 1959 has a Kodiak.  Similar to you description except
the fresh air intake exited through the outer wing similar to a SIII.    I
have also seen other Kodiaks that are quite different from mine, rounded
corners, different location of the intake hose, different defrosters.   I
once found a wrecked 109 with the same heater as mine, except it was a pile
of rust.  It did however have a name plate saying "Kodiak, Made in Canada".
Just be thankful you dont have one of those "Mansfield Cold Air Vents", or
so I'm told by at least one owner.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:24:26 -0400
Subject: Spelling

Ter Ann writes :-
Thanks I already noticed the typo and corrected it.  I always " appriciate "
feedback about my typos so that I can correct them.  Thanks.

 Kettle calling the pot black !!!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: asfco@banet.net
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:56:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Series II Heater

The Stockdales wrote:
> Just be thankful you dont have one of those "Mansfield Cold Air Vents", or
> so I'm told by at least one owner.
>I am surprised to hear that. I have a Mansfield in my lla and it works great

anyone else have problems/comments?
Rgds
Steve Bradke  68 lla

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:31:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Leaf Springs

Adams, Bill wrote:
> Rebuilds
> and cobble jobs are best left to the J**p set..

Uhh, I beg to differ. I cobbled and rebuilt mine, must be going on 8 
years ago now, and it still sits pretty.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:03:26 +0800
Subject: Re: 15 Inch Rim Width?

Paul,

>Does anybody know the width (rim to rim) of 15 inch Land Rover wheels?
>It's kinda difficult to measure the width with the tyres mounted...but
>they look wider than the 16 inch rims that I've seen.

I've got a "Mangels" looking 15 inch rim with a width of 10inches. The
16inch LR rim is 5.5inch width. I heard there's another version of this
15inch rim with 8inch width. Take a close look at the rim, if they're not
too thickly painted, U might see some numbers.Generally, these numbers
translate as follows: 5.5J X 16 = 5.5inch width, 16 inch diameter. 10J X 15
= 10inch width, 15inch diameter.

I Don't know about the offset of these 15inch rims, but I don't run them
for long, fearing a wheel bearing - oilseal replacement sooner than
scheduled. But the main reason is that strooooong forearms are needed for
parking, when using these rims.

Hope that helps.

Lawrence Lee,
'81 Ser III 109 2.6l "Kerbau"  (kerbau is the Malay name for water buffalo,
one that prefers to STAY in the mud)

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From: jory bell <jory@mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:09:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Series II Heater

i love my mansfield heater - especially when i lived in boston.

:jory

>Forget about aligning any heater to a SII.  I believe that SII heaters were
>all after market.  My 1959 has a Kodiak.  Similar to you description except
>the fresh air intake exited through the outer wing similar to a SIII.    I
>have also seen other Kodiaks that are quite different from mine, rounded
>corners, different location of the intake hose, different defrosters.   I
>once found a wrecked 109 with the same heater as mine, except it was a pile
>of rust.  It did however have a name plate saying "Kodiak, Made in Canada".
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>so I'm told by at least one owner.
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: MGMagnette <MGMagnette@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:15:31 EDT
Subject: British Cars Owner Survey- 6 Questions

This is a survey intended for all past or present owners of British Cars.  If
you consider this survey to be an intrusion on your list, please tell me and
if there are enough complaints this will be the last British Car Owner Survey.
	Why a survey? Us Americans are generally deprived of British cars.  
Even the
British are slowly but surely being deprived of British cars.  Please pardon
my intrusion onto your list, but I do believe that there is no way BMW
(Leyland), Ford (Jaguar-Aston), or The French (One of them owns Rootes Group,
bought from Chrysler) will EVER reintroduce our favorite cars unless there is
some documented demand for them.  Cars that we can get, like the Jaguar, will
become increasingly less like the Jaguars we knew and remembered because the
current master-of-the-marque does not know what the essence of each marque is.
   To help create original research, I ask that anyone with a few moments to
spare please answer the following questions about Jaguars.  Each week, month,
(or never again if this posting pisses people off) we will do another marque,
to find out what the key characteristic of each marque are.  The statistics
will be posted. REPLY DIRECTLY TO MGMAGNETTE@AOL.COM    DO NOT REPLY DIRECTLY
TO YOUR OWN MAILING LIST.  Chances are that I am not a member, and this one
letter was enough of an intrusion, we don't need to fill up the Hillman board
with junk about Jags.  My suggestion is that you cut and paste the following
questions directly into your reply, if possible.  Feel free to ramble on with
long answers if need be.  OPINIONS OF NON-JAGUAR OWNERS ARE EXTREMELY VALUED

1.  Do you own a Jaguar?  If not, would you ever want one?  Which one?

2.  What does the name "Jaguar" mean to you?

3.  What is your general idea of what a Jaguar owner is like?

4.  What elements make a Jaguar a Jaguar?

5.  What don't you like about Jaguars?

6.  What do you see in older Jaguars that you want to see in the modern
versions as well?

Thank you for your time, and though these aren't alot of questions your
answers will cover alot of territory.  I hope you didn't mind this intrusion
on your list.  If this didn't upset too many people we will do "Rover" next
week, the car most likely to be introduced to America in the year 2000.
Thanks-   John

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:33:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 15 Inch Rim Width?

On Wed, 13 May 1998, Paul Quin wrote:

> Does anybody know the width (rim to rim) of 15 inch Land Rover wheels?

As I recall, they are a bit wider than the things that get 750X16s on
htem.  I presume that you are asking so you know what size tire to put on
them?  I have 30X9.5s on mine; several others I know of have 31X10.5s on
theirs, and I haven't heard any horror stories of falling off the rims.  

David/Mr. sinclair.

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From: "Gary Thompson" <singer@xtra.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:45:20 +0000
Subject: Re: "Hillman - " Re:  Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)

> Date:          Tue, 12 May 1998 13:19:01 -0700
> From:          Billy Zoom <billyzoom@earthlink.net>
> Organization:  Billy Zoom Music
> To:            DSand95510 <DSand95510@aol.com>
> Cc:            deedavis@etch-eshop.ME.Berkeley.EDU, gpetrola@prairienet.org,
>                triumphs@autox.team.net, alpines@autox.team.net,
>                british-cars-pre-war@autox.team.net, 
british-cars@autox.team.net,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Subject:       Re: "Hillman - " Re:  Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)
> Reply-to:      Billy Zoom <billyzoom@earthlink.net>

> > >LOTUS?  The REAL James bond drove a BENTLEY.
> > If you read "Dr. No," you'll find he drove a HILLMAN !!
> He drove lots of things, but he owned Bentleys

The REAL James Bond was  Merlin Minshall and he drove a Singer Le 
Mans 

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From: "Adam Jones" <adam.jones@mcmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:47:55 +0100
Subject: Overdrive noise

Hi

I have a fairey overdrive fitted to my S3 Swb 2.25 petrol. Nice you say. It
is. I get 20+ mpg and it has been known to do 80mph. (only down hill though)
The only problem is the noise. The gearbox is fairly quiet normally but when
it is in OD 4th it screams very loudly. It is slowly getting worse. I was
told to try the endfloat on the intermediate gear but that is only slightly
out and I can't see it being that. I have no idea what bearings and stuff
there is in an overdrive and so I havn't got a clue as to what could wear.
Any suggestions.
Thanks

Adam
Leeds
England

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:05:58 +0100
Subject: Re: Champagne British Car Festival (fwd)

>LOTUS?  The REAL James bond drove a BENTLEY.
>Respectfully,
>Dee Davis
Did he?

He drove a lot of things (eg. that BritishMotorWorks Z thingummy), but he's
known most for the Aston Martins...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Craig Morgan <C.Morgan@soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:20:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Leaf Springs

At 15:57 13/05/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Howdy all
>In an effort to save a few dollaros ($750 Cdn) I am considering using
>leaf springs from one of my donor vehicles in the ground up restoration
>of my IIA.  By looking at them they appear fine.  They are not crushed
>in the middle like so many I've seen during the many "field extractions"
>I took upon myself.  (I like taking in old, left for dead, Land Rovers
>and salvage anything that doesn't break while dismantling them.  I think
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
>2- Can a spring shop help?
>3- Are they somehow rebuildable?       

I hope not all of the savings ($750) are in the springs ;-)

After scouting around over here for road springs, when doing my resto, I
decided that it was'nt really economic (unless yours are very good, and then
why strip them!) to spend a lot of time on the springs. Paddock or similar
will
supply springs at 25-40 pounds depending on type and model, or nowadays
parabolics are available for about 40 pounds. Even shipped from the UK
these must be considered reasonable ...

Craig

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:15:33 +0100
Subject: Texas

Thinking things in an arse-about-tit fashion,  what's the Land Rover
activity like in the Texas area (esp. around Houston)?

Guess who's just been approached to work in our Houston offices...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR  - just outside shipping age, but I think
I'd leave it at my parents)

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