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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 3 Mar 1998 04:38:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Who is 'owner-lro'...

To the list subscribers:
   I would much appreciate it if you would take a few moments to read this
   post, so that you do know the correct answer to this query....
	-B
 ----
There was recently a post to the LRO list, which mistakenly gave credit
for the operation of the lists. 

Original Post:
On 3/2/98, K. John Wood wrote, (re that "owner-lro@..." address):
>from the likes of Kevin Gerling, Carl Rodgerson etc... LRO names and faces!
>At least that's what I've experienced!
>John

This post is the correction for that errant information.

Pat 'spyders@aol.com' writes:
>   Who *is* owner-lro@...

To which K. John Wood <jwrover@colo-net.com> mistakenly replied 
>	"The address is the company list for Land Rover Owner
>	 [International Magazine]."

The answer to this question is found near the bottom of the web page 
describing the lists lro-info.html and
in the informative message (which you all received upon subscribing to
the list):

   "Disclaimer: Please note that the Land Rover Owner mailing list is
    in no way associated with the similarly named _Land_Rover_Owner_
    _International_ magazine, nor are we associed with _Land_Rover_World_
    magazine, (both published by some LR anoraks in the UK), nor  do
    we have any association with the  Land Rover (tm) company."

A bit of history:

The numerous lists for Land Rover, Range Rover, British, Aussies & Kiwis, South
Africans, Danish Land Rover Owners, and the UK Rights of Way are distributed
from 'Land-Rover.Team.Net' (also known as 'playground.sun.com').  The Land
Rover e-mail list itself is approaching it's 8th anniversary.   These lists
are part of a group of automotive special interest mailing lists whose origins
can be traced back ten to fifteen years on the internet or usenet, to usenet
news groups such as rec.autos and rec.autos.sports, the Road Rally, British
Cars, and Autocross mailing lists (the latter two are now hosted at
AutoX.Team.Net).

Fifteen years is back to a time when classmates of mine were coding an 
interactive gaming technology, Playnet, whose ruin was the basis of AOL's
interactive services. There were no internet or dial-up service providers,
except for 'bulliten boards', and the network back bone for the entire
country was based on links with line speeds no faster than the 56Kbps modems
shipped in today's PCs.

Our current host:

The computing and networking resources supporting these mailing lists (which
delivers hundreds of messages to 2200 people daily), is graciously provided 
by the Internet Engineering group of SunSoft, a division of Sun Microsystems,
Inc.  SunSoft and SMI have no particular interest in Land Rovers, per se, but
an employee there who owns a Discovery does, the lists are hosted there
in part because it is their job to test networking stuff, and, basically,
the lists facilitate a 'live' load on. 
 
In addition to the mailing list distribution, there is also a web server,
http://www.land-rover.team.net which provides access to the archives of the
lists and a number of pages of interest to Land Rover folks, including
photos of interesting Rovers from the British Motor Industry Heritage 
Trust Centre at Gaydon, in the UK, as well photos and stories of Land
Rover competitions in the UK, and 'green lane' trips and Land Rover
gatherings from around the globe (UK, US, CA, AU).  The web server is
also hosted on playground, and serves over 25,000 page requests per month.

As for Why you see messages from 'owner-lro@'...

There are a number of fields in the e-mail message 'header' as it is called,
the first is 'From User@...' there is also another field 'From: user@...' 
and possibly 'Sender: User@', typically the three would say the same
thing, however when the message is forwarded to the list server, the 
outtermost one is re-written to be the owner of the list, this is done for
a number of reasons. In theory, your mail reading program should use 
one of the other header fields than the outermost 'From '. In any event
the sender of the message would appear in the other bits of the header
(you may be able to display them in your mail reader), and, of course,
the signature would be that of the sender...

As for 'Who?' is 'owner-lro@'

Technically that would be me, list administrator (& founder),
and web master for http://www.land-rover.team.net

Co-conspirator Empire Rover Owners Society Empire

Member Pennine LRC, Series II Club, Range Rover Register, ROAV, OVLR

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:54:14 EST
Subject: Re:  military wiring, etc.

In a message dated 3/2/98 5:08:28 AM, Richard wrote:

>The LRO Shop used to sell it (this is where I got mine), but I notice they
>don't seem to list it anymore.  In the latest issue, I see they have a
>little advert asking for all mil. parts catalogues.  I wonder who's out of
>stock?

One would have thought they'd keep at least one copy for reference,
photocopies, etc., and not sell the whole lot. One good copy can even be
licensed for reprints in some cases...

Perhaps there's a frendly sort at a local Military Vehicle Preservation
Society who can help exmil owners out there.

pat
93  110

For SUV owners: http://poseur.4x4.org/

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:57:13 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: generator-alternator switch

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> You will need to isolate the alternator from the engine block and mount.  A
> difficult but not impossible task.  If you want details, contact me.
> wahooadv@earthlink.net

 It is a good time to change from + ground  when changing to an
alternator thus avoiding the need to isolate the alternator. a simple
job which alot of hassles in the future.
    John and muddy

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:54:57 +1000

John Dillingham wrote:
>No, you'll never be satisfied after a 4.6. So forget it!

I'm afraid my wife doesn't understand why I want it, so I won't be getting
it.  And it looked OK too.  She can't see why anyone would want an 1975 SWB
diesel LR when one already has a 4WD and a Rangie at that.

As I said to her, I can't explain it and even if I could she wouldn't
understand.

She says I have to get rid of some of my other unused hobby stuff e.g., my
scuba gear, my model planes, model helicopters, model boats, the Hillman
Gazelles et al.

>One other thing, If I send ya a check right now, could you pick it up for
>me, and I'll drive down next weekend and tow it home. ;-)

Hmm, It'd be a wet old drive - it's in Oz.  You'd need a bloody long snorkel
8-)

Ron

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:11:42 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy

Ron Beckett wrote:
> John Dillingham wrote:
> >No, you'll never be satisfied after a 4.6. So forget it!
> I'm afraid my wife doesn't understand why I want it, so I won't be getting
> it.  And it looked OK too.  She can't see why anyone would want an 1975 SWB
> diesel LR when one already has a 4WD and a Rangie at that.
> As I said to her, I can't explain it and even if I could she wouldn't
> understand.
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> 8-)
> Ron

Come on Ron  you know what (who) really has to go!!!
  Remember Trigger
     John and Muddy

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From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:37:13 +0000
Subject: +ve earth (was generator-alternator switch)

>  It is a good time to change from + ground  when changing to an
> alternator thus avoiding the need to isolate the alternator. a simple
> job which alot of hassles in the future.

Could anybody please explain why +ve earth was ever first used! It 
would seem that -ve earth is much better all round so one wonders why 
+ve earth was ever used. Is it something to do with the dynamo's 
used on early cars rather than alternaters?

 
Steve Mace

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:57:53 +0000
Subject: Re: +ve earth (was generator-alternator switch)

There's no real reason for either way!

With the huge market in accessories, it does make sense for all to be the
same, though!

Like which side of the road you should drive on in the 20th Century - it
doesn't matter, but it helps if everyone is the same!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

steve@solwise.demon.co.uk on 03/02/98 01:37:13 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  +ve earth (was generator-alternator switch)

>  It is a good time to change from + ground  when changing to an
> alternator thus avoiding the need to isolate the alternator. a simple
> job which alot of hassles in the future.
Could anybody please explain why +ve earth was ever first used! It
would seem that -ve earth is much better all round so one wonders why
+ve earth was ever used. Is it something to do with the dynamo's
used on early cars rather than alternaters?

Steve Mace
1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
-------------------------------------
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:05:49 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: +ve earth (was generator-alternator switch)

Steve Mace wrote:
> >  It is a good time to change from + ground  when changing to an
> > alternator thus avoiding the need to isolate the alternator. a simple
> > job which alot of hassles in the future.
> Could anybody please explain why +ve earth was ever first used! It
> would seem that -ve earth is much better all round so one wonders why
> +ve earth was ever used. Is it something to do with the dynamo's
> used on early cars rather than alternaters?
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> used on early cars rather than alternaters?
> Steve Mace

It has to do with the flow of electrons which is infact - to + . For
all  practical purposes it makes no difference.
      John and Muddy

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:48:38 +0100
From: Bernd Jonas <Bernd.Jonas@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: [Fwd: LR 88 SIII for sale]
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Hi There!
My 88 SIII 2,25l diesel 1972 is for sale now.
At now i´m overhauling the gearbox.
So you can get him as a short project or wait till the overhauling is
done.
Interested?
Just drop me a line and you can get nearer information, pictures.....

Bye

Bernd Jonas
Bernd.Jonas@munich.netsurf.de

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:56:41 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Re: Tell us your Name.

Hi all

>but WHAT IS YOUR ROVERS NAME?.  

Spikkels the 1959 Rand-Lover is now officially road-worthy (SA equivalent to
MOT, I guess, except that since it's been privatised, and since the first
return visit is free, I passed the road-worthy even though the brakes are
not set quite right and apparently some U bolts are loose too.)  

So, it looks as if I'll make the 50th anniversary tour (leaving next week
Tuesday)

Wouter

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:08:52 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Tell us your Name.

Wouter de Waal wrote:
 I passed the road-worthy even though the brakes are
> not set quite right and apparently some U bolts are loose too.)
> So, it looks as if I'll make the 50th anniversary tour (leaving next week

Ahh! But will you make it BACK?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: 2/26/98	owner-lro@playgr	 Re: Observations (no good 
content)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:08:06 -0700

The address is the company list for Land Rover Owner. You'll recieve mail
from the likes of Kevin Gerling, Carl Rodgerson etc... LRO names and faces!

At least that's what I've experienced!

John

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Subject: Source for rebuilt llA gearbox
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:24:34 -0600

My transmission is rapidly disintegrating and based on experience of other
Land Rover owners, a professionally rebuilt box is probably the way for me
to go.  Expensive yes.

Problems include:

1. cannot engage 2nd gear
2.  have lost at least 7 small teeth
3.  a 2 inch dia ring has broken and fallen out
4.  oil has rich bronze streaks in it after just a few miles

For comparable price I can get a box from Rovers North or from DAP. The DAP
box is available now and is rebuilt here in the US.  I am leaning towards
DAP.  Anyone have any comments or warnings for me?

David Hope
64 llA

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:34:19 -0500
Subject: Ford adapter for sale

Posting this for a non computer  LR owner I met.  I have no info other than 
the below:

B&H or Sierra Autosport Ford v-8 to Land Rover ZF auto adapter ring, spigot 
and motor mount kit.  Never used and asking less than the $800 price 
he got it for.  Located in New Hampshire.  Mike 603-356-9606.  He might be 
interested in trading partially for a Series project.

Disclaimers: usual

Ron Franklin 

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:Tricks with toys and your Spouse
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:44:48 -0800

I am going to put in my two bits worth (inflation).

So that I don't get any "back lash", my trick was to get my wife involved.
No, she doesn't much care about my Land Rover - it's "a nice vehicle" to
her.
What I got her into is the philosophy:  You can drive a masses type of car
or you can get something you are happy with, says something about you and
your character.... and is a bit fun to boot.

She picked out a 72 Suburban - nice round wheel arches, last year of the
three door, rides high and has power.  Her current quest is for a 2CV - she
drove one after falling for them and wants one more than ever.

For those who need to think about it a different way - every 100,000 miles =
3,000 hours.  3,000 hours equals 1.5 years of eight hours a day at a 5 day a
week job.  Select your "point A to B" vehicle with this criteria, like the
chair/job that you are going to spend the next 1.5 years in.

The only problem with this is with selecting who's vehicle gets those needed
parts.  I solved this by doing one at a time....Land Rover (Me), Suburban
(Her), Moose (Us), Ural (Me), Kalakala (Us) and the soon to be purchased 2CV
(Her).  There is more to life than Land Rovers or cars.  Get her into it for
herself (not you) and you will both have fun.

Oh, and about those "rough ride " complaints.  I made my Land Rover ride
smooth enough to be comfortable to my wife when she was eight months
pregnant.. We only had the Land Rover when we returned from cruising.

Cheers
David
Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:29:20 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Source for rebuilt llA gearbox

David Hope wrote:
> My transmission is rapidly disintegrating and based on experience of other
> Land Rover owners, a professionally rebuilt box is probably the way for me
> to go.  Expensive yes.
> Problems include:
> 1. cannot engage 2nd gear
> 2.  have lost at least 7 small teeth

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> box is available now and is rebuilt here in the US.  I am leaning towards
> DAP.  Anyone have any comments or warnings for me?
 If the  DAP is rebuilt inhouse then you won't get any better as Chris
their service manager is the best in the business.
     John and Muddy

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Subject: sighting
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:04:14 -0500
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A close friend of mine tried to catch up to "MY" yellow D90 when she =
discovered that it was not my D90 but someone else's with nice blue eyes =
and mud all over their truck and another black D90 with so much mud on =
it she could barely tell that the plate said it was from Oregon on =
Sunday in Hamden CT on the Merit Parkway at exit 62 , any body on the =
list ? You got one hot little blond in a red Mazda Miata awful excited.
Chris "V"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:07:47 EST
Subject: Re: daveb/AAAA update

>> Gee, I'd think you want *want* to.

grumble grumble. I like to take credit for my work...it's an art form!
sort of like ren-ching...

>>>any new modifications to the AAAA? 
>>>The Antichrist Anti Animal Attachment for you people who hate acronyms.

no, but there's a new one, its the PTOPITAPBL...
that's the Power Take Off Pain In The Ass Panty-Bunch Loosener...
its basically a big flamethrower run off a cut-out on the exhaust...takes out 
list whiners with a single burst...

get outta my way...hahahahahahahaha

laughing all the way to the gas pump,
DaveB
 
PS good to have you back Tom. 

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:33:04 EST
Subject: Re:   owner-lro@playgr...

In a message dated 3/2/98 11:18:47 AM, John wrote, re that "owner-lro@..."
address:

>The address is the company list for Land Rover Owner. You'll recieve mail
>from the likes of Kevin Gerling, Carl Rodgerson etc... LRO names and faces!
>At least that's what I've experienced!
>John

Actually, I've seen e-mails from three other people who weren't with LRO
MagazineAFAIK)... I got two from Sandy Grice, one from "MM" and  forgot who
the third member was. Oh well. Thanks anyway.

pat
93  110

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From: "Steve Irwin" <irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:37:37 EST
Subject: Wierd Idle ....Fixed

Hello All!

Many thanks to all who offered suggestions about the idle problems 
and stalling that I and my Zenith were having when stopping at 
lights.

The culprit:  Based on this morning's performance, not the carb at 
all, but pitted points and shaky condenser, coupled with erratic 
timing.  After replacing points and condenser, and re-timing this 
morning, Fezzik runs like a charm.  And, in seemingly typical Lucas 
fashion, the ground wire that attaches to the condensor prefers to be 
on top of the condenser tongue; there was no powere throught eh 
system when grounded under the condenser tongue.  Neither I, nor my 
Rover-owning PhD physicist advisor could think of any solid reason 
for this.  Any ideas?

Steve Irwin
Fezzik, SIII 88

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:23:23 -0600

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 03-02-98 08:23 AM

cc:
Subject:

>have it pretty well situated in place of the generator but i don't know
how
>to wire it.  the truck is positive ground and the alternator is negative.
>what do i need to do?

First thing is to convert it to negative ground. A pretty simple process,
especially since you're getting rid of your original gen and regulator. Be
sure to reverse the wiring for your coil, and dash plug. Some instruments
may need to be reversed also, depending on what you have. I think there's a
FAQ around somewhere on doing this reversal. And the Alt conversion also.
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 15:33:22 EST
Subject: Re: Tell us your Name.

>>WHAT IS YOUR ROVERS NAME?.

Green HELL

DaveB

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:44:38 -0800

From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:54:46 +1100

>I'm considering the purchase of S III with a 2.25L diesel
(reconditioned
motor) and overdrive - price A$1750 (US$1200).  How much of a slug are
these?  Will I be satisfied after a 4.6L Rangie?

It's apples and oranges.  The 4.6 Range Rover bears no resemblance
whatsoever to the Series III diesel as far as driving is concerned other
than the fact that you aim both of them with a steering wheel.  The 2.25
diesel Series III is one of the few vehicles in the world that is
actually outperformed by the 2.25 petrol Series III except in torque.
The 2.25 diesel (from which the 2.25 petrol engine was derived) is a
good off-road engine as it has lots of low-end torque which is what you
want at times.  It's fuel consumption is marginally better than the 2.25
petrol engine.  The acceleration of a petrol 2.25 Land Rover is best
measured in minutes; the diesel versions are even slower if acceleration
is something you care about (I don't except in traffic).  Unlike the
current generation of Rover diesels, the 2.25 is not a particularly
long-lived engine.  The experience of people I know who have owned
Series III diesels is that the engine needs major work every 80K-100K
miles.  Properly maintained and conservatively driven, the petrol engine
will go much longer.  While the diesel Series IIIs I've driven were good
off-road machines, they were slow, fairly unresponsive, and noisier than
my petrol model.  Handling and braking were no different from the petrol
model.

Another thing to consider is that unless you are experienced with
diesels, they aren't as easy to troubleshoot and work on as a petrol
engine. Items like the distributor pump and fuel injectors have to be
just right or they won't work correctly.  Diesels are very picky about
clean fuel and air.  Given the petrol engine's good availability of
parts and the ease of maintaining and repairing it, I would go for a
petrol Series III as opposed to the diesel version.

Everything I have said applies only to the old 2.25 diesel as used in
the Series Land Rovers.  The current Tdi engine used in the Defender and
Discovery is a whole different deal.  I've driven Land Rovers powered by
this engine on numerous occasions in the UK and they are responsive,
fuel efficient, and relatively quiet.  I would love to have one in my
Series III, but the cost of doing so (it's possible to fit the engine to
a Series according to the people I've talked to in Solihull) is very,
very high.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: tire size equivalence
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:07:54 -0800 (PST)

Hi kids,

    Can anyone give the metric size for a 900-16 tire. The 101
uses them, and the Continental bar treads are not exactly awe
inspiring on the road. Very noisy, terrible handling on dry 
pavement, downright scary on wet with poor braking being the
biggest gotcha at any speed above 40mph. I'd like to replace 
them with Mich XCL's, but they are impossible to find in this
900x16 size, or any size for that matter here in Oregon. Anyone
got a source? I'm sure I'll end up with an off the shelf tire
which is why I need a metric size equivalant for it.

Rgds
Mike Fredette
Portland, Or
101FC

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:17:19 -0800
From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Names

My Land Rover is a 1966 109" SW and is named 'No Chance'.
The registration in the UK for my Rover is 'NCH 170E'.
The short story is my wife came up with the name using
NCH in the registration as her guide. 

Cheers - Mike
Land Rover Owner
DoD Program Manager
Chief Designer, M&M Stained Glass
Soccer Referee

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:25:08 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Wierd Idle ....Fixed

Steve Irwin wrote:
> Hello All!
> Many thanks to all who offered suggestions about the idle problems
> and stalling that I and my Zenith were having when stopping at
> lights.
> The culprit:  Based on this morning's performance, not the carb at
> all, but pitted points and shaky condenser, coupled with erratic

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> Rover-owning PhD physicist advisor could think of any solid reason
> for this.  Any ideas?

Yes  this is not a ground wire. It is the power to the points where it
IS grounded through the distributor body. I expect what was happening
was the terminal was contacting the post and shorting direct to ground.
    John and Muddy

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:58:31 EST
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-03-02 17:56:01 EST, you write:

<< First thing is to convert it to negative ground. A pretty simple process,
 especially since you're getting rid of your original gen and regulator. Be
 sure to reverse the wiring for your coil, and dash plug. Some instruments
 may need to be reversed also, depending on what you have. I think there's a
 FAQ around somewhere on doing this reversal. And the Alt conversion also. >>

Adding to this, I think somewhere in the fuzziness of my mind I remember that
you will have to get a negative ground fuel level sender.  Something about a
different set up so that it cannot be converted to negative earth.  Others?

Nate

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:42:27 -0500
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy

Series III 2.25 Diesel vehicles do NOT accelerate. They gain momentum. Just
thought I would share that thought.

Faure, Marin wrote:

> From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:54:46 +1100
> >I'm considering the purchase of S III with a 2.25L diesel
> (reconditioned
> motor) and overdrive - price A$1750 (US$1200).  How much of a slug are
> these?  Will I be satisfied after a 4.6L Rangie?
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>   1973 Land Rover Series III-88
>   1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:48:39 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: - Ground & Fuel Sender

NADdMD wrote:

> Adding to this, I think somewhere in the fuzziness of my mind I remember that
> you will have to get a negative ground fuel level sender.  Something about a
> different set up so that it cannot be converted to negative earth.  Others?

Nope.  I converted from + and didn't have to change the sender.  I don't recall
if I had to reverse the connections or not. ...I don't belive so since the
circuit
is just a variable resistor.. lot of good I am eh? :)

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:10:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: point set screw pitch?

Anyone know what the point gap set screw's pitch is?  The part isn't in
the manual.

David

Btw, I retract any nasty things that I might have said about Joe Lucas.  I
am amazed that the points I just took off worked at all.  Half of the
moving point was missing!

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:15:12
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Military Wiring: Users Handbook

I've just resubscribed to the list and saw someone is maybe looking 
for a 109 military users handbook with the wiring diagrams. I no longer 
have a military L-R but I still have my Users Handbook (Truck Utility 
3/4 ton, 4X4; Army Code #22230; Air Publication 5049B; Issued March 
1982. Produced to the requirement of THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE etc, etc.) 
This has the fold out circuit diagrams in the back, the destruction
instructions, and is about 190 pages long. The person that wants it can 
email me and we'll talk about it. Pete in Va.
'66 88 Ragtop			(804) 233-1341  (Richmond)
PS...I still have an 88 hardtop with a liftgate and a safari skin than 
that I want to sell. No alpine lights, vents or headlining. Nice shape-
$500. As long as I'm selling stuff...I've also got 2 extra 109 ragtops-
$200 and $100.

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From: SPYDERS <SPYDERS@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:47:46 EST
Subject: Re:  Names / No Chance / UK tags

In a message dated 3/2/98 6:31:38 PM, you wrote:

>My Land Rover is a 1966 109" SW and is named 'No Chance'.
>The registration in the UK for my Rover is 'NCH 170E'.

Yer lucky it was from the UK, if it came from Wales (that dingleberry place),
it could be called "Fred" using the same registration letters... ;-)

The English seem to really stretch it when it comes to "vanity tags" on their
vehicles. I saw a reference to that in a recent LRW: RO6ER & 5ARAH... Do *all*
UK tags need a number in them, or can you put all letters? Just curious...

PqiyAexbT (Welsh for "patrick")
93  110

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: Source for rebuilt llA gearbox
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:51:53 -0700

David,

Contact Ron Pedderson in Nederald, CO he is a Silihull trained Rover Tech
who has recently imported two complete SIIa tranny's.., He can be reached at
303-258-7836 (Auto Technica)

He's a great guy with lots of knowledge on Series vehicles.

Good lUck

John Wood

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:08:25 -0500 (EST)
From: PETER KASKAN <PKASKAN@clarku.edu>
Subject: Re: Military Wiring: Users Handbook

Hi there I'm interested in you military LR manual. You said it was published 
in '82 - does that mean it won't cover a 1965 IIA? How much are you asking?
Peter Kaskan pkaskan@clarku.edu

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:10:34 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee)
Subject: Tell us your Name.

Hi all,

Mine's called "Kerbau".

Kerbau is Malay for water buffalo, a nickname my offroad buddies coined due
to its tendencies to stay in the mud every opportunity it could. Kerbau is
also a name used to describe anything large and clumsy. The only 109" among
the 88"s and airportables, "Kerbau" definitely is the name for me.

Lawrence Lee
'81  Ser III 109 2.6l

Lawrence Lee, Art Director
Torque Class Magazine,
The Only Motor Magazine You Have to be Seen In
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:55:47 -0500
From: Robert M McCullough <dieselbob@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 109-FFR wiring

i have perhaps an interesting manual if someone needs it. an illustrated
spare parts list, 1970, army code no.20873, part no.607307, for car,
utility and truck,utility. chassis for ambulance, 2/4 stretcher and
truck, fire fighting. truck, utility for test station, guided missle,
truck mounted [landrovers 6, 8, 8/2, 9, 9/1]. it also has the amendments
with it. it is manila with a red spine. if anyone is interested, e-mail
me directly. i am in the usa.

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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:37:10 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: conversion to negative earth

Rovers North Bulletin Board has the procedure on their tech tips.  Involves
cha nging a wire or two in the dash and repolarizing the generator after
changing the connections to the battery.  A piece of cake, at least it was
on my '65.

NO  NO  NO  >Adding to this, I think somewhere in the fuzziness of my mind
I remember that >you will have to get a negative ground fuel level sender.  
>Nate

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