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1 "Ron Franklin" [oldhaven22109 FS
2 john cranfield [john.cra8Re: Tell us your Name.
3 john cranfield [john.cra10Re: Using the cracked distributor
4 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns22Re: Using the cracked distributor
5 LndRvr SC [LndRvrSC@aol.16Tires
6 john cranfield [john.cra15Re: Tires
7 trowe@cdr.wisc.edu 29re: Tires
8 "Paul Gussack" [pcg@tenn9rover name
9 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec30In response to Jim's reply about diesels...
10 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 49Zenith question
11 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 49Zenith question
12 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 26Welding
13 "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" 21Oils well....
14 Solihull@aol.com 22Re: Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy
15 "William L. Leacock" [wl9dipstick
16 "William L. Leacock" [wl13oil splash
17 "William L. Leacock" [wl23Stuck in 4 wd
19 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b9Dingleberries
20 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b25Using the cracked distributor
21 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b42Tell us your Name
22 "David and Cynthia Walke18Re: Tell us your Name.
23 Ralph N Bradt [rnbradt@e20Oil filter adapters
24 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b28Watch out for your rear mounted tyres
25 "Ron Beckett" [hillman@b22Buying a SWB 2.25 diesel


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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:03:49 -0500
Subject: 109 FS

1959 Series II 109 pickup, not running but in very good original 
condition, including lots of features like 1 piece doors, large horn in 
fender, horn push on steering column, arctic interior, screw type vents 
etc.  Frame is original and quite good with basically surface rust. Very 
minor footwell rust. Seats need to be redone, body panels are
very good but unrestored. Needs wiring harness.  Includes 1 and 1/2 series 
II engines.  Also includes a new Series II through the
fender exhaust system.  This 109 needs a lot of restoration
work to be perfect but is a very rare example of an early S II for the 
originality fan. $4000.00.  It was  owned by a Maine guide and has
been stored inside for over 20 years.  Located near Brunswick in my barn, 
mid coast Maine.  207-666-5614

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:42:38 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tell us your Name.

Are you really sure you want to know all those names
Well I'll never divulge that information.
    John and Muddy :-)

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:45:49 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Using the cracked distributor

I am going to warn Tom about getting a new distributor cap from You!!!!
And in order to beat some one through the water first you have to have a
Working Land Rover .Get the Pigg fixed.... NOW.
      Good morning Con.
         John and Mddy

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:11:04 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Using the cracked distributor

john cranfield wrote:
> I am going to warn Tom about getting a new distributor cap from You!!!!

Uhh, yeah, Tom, that's who was going to get it. ;-)

> And in order to beat some one through the water first you have to have a
> Working Land Rover .Get the Pigg fixed.... NOW.

We are going to crawl under it this morning in the mud and fix the 
starter wire, maybe put a heavier cable on it. The old one just lit right 
up, very pretty! Wish I could get someway of cranking by hand, but the 
winch is in the way  :-(

See ya!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: LndRvr SC <LndRvrSC@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:33:25 EST
Subject: Tires

Hi all,
 I stopped by a guys shop here in Columbia yesterday.  He has 6 series Land
Rovers and 1 forward control restored.  One was a Camel Trophy series (88).
The has an auto restoration shop.  WOW.  Does anyone know where you can get
the 900 X 16 military Tires for the forward control?  They are mare by
Continental.  He wants to replace these. 

   Cheers,
  Greg Edwards
   95 Discovery

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:50:09 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tires

LndRvr SC wrote:
> Hi all,
>  I stopped by a guys shop here in Columbia yesterday.  He has 6 series Land
> Rovers and 1 forward control restored.  One was a Camel Trophy series (88).
> The has an auto restoration shop.  WOW.  Does anyone know where you can get
> the 900 X 16 military Tires for the forward control?  They are mare by
> Continental.  He wants to replace these.

 He could try at http://www.wadewallace.com/ 
     John and Muddy

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:41:19 -0600
Subject: re: Tires

From: Tom Rowe@CDR on 02-28-98 10:41 AM

cc:
Subject:  re: Tires

snip
>he has an auto restoration shop.  WOW.  Does anyone know where you can get
>the 900 X 16 military Tires for the forward control?  They are mare by
>Continental.  He wants to replace these.

I believe general also makes them. I have a catalog at home that has them
in it. They are the US style NDT though.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:56:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: rover name

My rover as per it being an ugly little Anglican monster is Grendal.

Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:29:02 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: In response to Jim's reply about diesels...

From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: : In response to Jim's reply about diesels...
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:26:40 +1100

>>Marin Faure wrote:
>>This has been proven to me time and again in the de Havilland Beaver
>> floatplanes I fly; vehicles are no different.
>>marin.faure@boeing.com

>Do you fly Beavers because you like 'em (I do) or because Boeing now own
>DHC?

I fly the Beaver because I like the plane and because it's the only one
that will carry the stuff I have to carry.  While Boeing did purchase de
Havilland of Canada back in the 1980s it proved to be a costly mistake and
we subsequently sold DHC a number of years ago.  The current owner is
Bombardier.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:38:39 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Zenith question

Steve Irwin <irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu> wrote:

>First post to the list, after 1.5 years of lurking.

>I have a 1973 SIII 88 with Zenith carb.  I have owned it for about a 
>year.  The weekend of Jan 24, I undertook a carb rebuild/cleaning....
>Rover ran fine for about another week, then started  talling at lights.

As a veteran of the Zenith campaigns, let's assume that the jets, float
level, o-ring and gasketing are correct.  Two items left that will produce
these symptoms.  A warped carb (which can be cured with the glass-plate
grinding trick) or one of the ports has come unplugged.  The Zenith is a
generic carb, in that it fits several vehicles and one of the ports on the
flange between the carb halves *must* be plugged.  In your case, the soak
and subsequent driving may have dislodged whatever gunge or plug that was
correctly stopping it up.  Look at the top flange of the bottom half.
You'll see two ports 1 cm apart.  Plug the one that is almost vertical over
top of the vacuum port to the distributor.  A chunk of scrap O-ring smeared
with Permatex #1 or 2 (*NOT* silicone or RTV) works well.

While you're at it and have the carb apart, you may want to try to grind
the halves flat.  Put a piece of 400-600 grit carborundum paper on a glass
plate which ensures its absolutely flat.  Swirl the carb body on the plate
being careful to do each half equally or the o-ring won't work anymore.
When you get shine marks all around, you're done.  

Another possibility is that the brake servo diaphragm has been perforated,
and when you hit the brakes hard, it dumps a whole lotta air down the
throat *behind* the carb and leans the flow out to the point where the
engine starves.  Suck on the brake booster hose (high tech: a vacuum pump,
low tech: lungs).  Any appreciable flow or a whistling sound and the servo
is toast.  Unfortunately, it is non-serviceable.  Rebuild kits haven't been
available since '74.  Cheers

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:38:37 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Zenith question

Steve Irwin <irwin@fred.ifas.ufl.edu> wrote:

>First post to the list, after 1.5 years of lurking.

>I have a 1973 SIII 88 with Zenith carb.  I have owned it for about a 
>year.  The weekend of Jan 24, I undertook a carb rebuild/cleaning....
>Rover ran fine for about another week, then started  talling at lights.

As a veteran of the Zenith campaigns, let's assume that the jets, float
level, o-ring and gasketing are correct.  Two items left that will produce
these symptoms.  A warped carb (which can be cured with the glass-plate
grinding trick) or one of the ports has come unplugged.  The Zenith is a
generic carb, in that it fits several vehicles and one of the ports on the
flange between the carb halves *must* be plugged.  In your case, the soak
and subsequent driving may have dislodged whatever gunge or plug that was
correctly stopping it up.  Look at the top flange of the bottom half.
You'll see two ports 1 cm apart.  Plug the one that is almost vertical over
top of the vacuum port to the distributor.  A chunk of scrap O-ring smeared
with Permatex #1 or 2 (*NOT* silicone or RTV) works well.

While you're at it and have the carb apart, you may want to try to grind
the halves flat.  Put a piece of 400-600 grit carborundum paper on a glass
plate which ensures its absolutely flat.  Swirl the carb body on the plate
being careful to do each half equally or the o-ring won't work anymore.
When you get shine marks all around, you're done.  

Another possibility is that the brake servo diaphragm has been perforated,
and when you hit the brakes hard, it dumps a whole lotta air down the
throat *behind* the carb and leans the flow out to the point where the
engine starves.  Suck on the brake booster hose (high tech: a vacuum pump,
low tech: lungs).  Any appreciable flow or a whistling sound and the servo
is toast.  Unfortunately, it is non-serviceable.  Rebuild kits haven't been
available since '74.  Cheers

Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:19:04 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Welding

>Ben Nibali, somewhere in East Tennessee, wrote:

>Also- I'm planning to do this with an Oxy-Acetylene rig, but I believe
>that most people MIG it- any comments?

Gas is fine, but you'll be dealing with surprisingly thin sections (it gets
strength from the box-section, not mass) and MIG has quicker/better heat
control over the arc.  Plus, once you get the heat setting just right, you
cna really lay down the beads with a MIG.

Just make sure you have plenty of wire (from someone who ran out at 3PM on
a beautiful *warm* Saturday in February).... :-(

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:25:52 -0500
From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Subject: Oils well....

WRT the thread on "spalsh" lubrication, I don't think that's the only way
up.  As I racall on my last rebuild, the con rod had a little squirt hole
on one "shoulder" that would spray the cylinder walls.  There was also a
passage up inside the con rod so that the wrist pin could be supplied from
the oil pumped to the journals.

Stuck in the office on a Saturday...Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-Rover is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:33:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Series 3 2.25 L diesel - should I buy

No, you'll never be satisfied after a 4.6. So forget it!
One other thing, If I send ya a check right now, could you pick it up for me,
and I'll drive down next weekend and tow it home. ;-)
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
(never been spoiled by too much power in a Rover)
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation "Old 502"
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:40:38 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: dipstick

Ben. put the prescribed amount of oil in the sump and adjust the dipstick
height to the level, add a clip to the stick to set the level.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:49:11 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: oil splash

Ya gotta splash oil up into cylinders. This is the only way.
Cheers  Peter  -106

 LR con rods have some  small holes in them which directs oil spray from the
big end journal up into  the bore, providing they have been fitted the right
way round, ( the rods, not the bores ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:01:43 -0500
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Stuck in 4 wd

John asks for advise on how to unstick from 4 wd.
 How often is 4 wd drive used on your vehicle ?
 A common problem on gearboxes which are seldom used in 4 wd is found in the
transfer box. the 4 wd dog is fitted to a spring returned shaft ( unless the
selector mod has been made ) the rod protrudes from the front of the
gearbox, just above  where the front drive shaft is fitted. The shaft
extension is normally covered by a metal shroud. It is not uncomon for the
shaft to stick in the bore, particularly if it is not used, if it cannot
move freely then the spring does not have enough force to overcome the
friction. Thjis problem is often found on LR's that have never been off
roaded.   Removal of the floor plate gives access to the area, iit is
necessary to remove the yellow 4 wd selector arm whiuch oivots on the front
of the gearbox, the cover can be removed giving access to the shaft whence
some kind of lubricant, anti sieze  etc can be applied to free upo the
shaft. Whilst on the subject fitting a selector to this shaft enables an
easier method of 2 to 4 wheel drive selection.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Dingleberries
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:57:17 +1000

OK, I've read the description.  Gross!  I'm sorry I asked.

Ron

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Using the cracked distributor 
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:59:41 +1000

>I thought about returning it, but I've had it a number of years and the
>box it came in looks a bit crusty. The cap looks like it was made
>yesterday.

Go and buy a new one, swap boxes and take the "old" new one back.  BUT only
if you buy it from the same shop as you originally bought the faulty one.
And not from some one on the list - they'll know!

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Tell us your Name
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:03:02 +1000

Tom Rowe wrote:
>My friends (?) in VT started calling mine the Antichrist back in '86
>when I received the license plates (by chance) of 6A666.

When I was in Norfolk Island, the local Catholic priest's car had 666 as the
number (they only use 3-digit plates - there's only about 1700 people on the
Island.).. His PO box number was also 666.

Rover content.  My Rangie is called The Last Aquila.  When I had the dash
out last year I found a label behind the dash saying "The Last Aquila".
"Aquila" was the LR code name for my model Rangie and I'm assuming mine was
the last one built.  I have yet to write to LR to ask.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tell us your Name.
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:53:36 -0800

My Land Rover is named "BEAN TOAD" - say the words out loud, not just in
your head.  This is actually Bean Toad II, but it is the same vehicle.  I
towed the Land Rover (seldom, now days) behind our 17,000 # bus "THE MOOSE".
I used to post a sign in the rear window when under tow, now it is in large
letters on the rear window.  It just stuck, a bit of wit.  The MOOSE sits
parked for most of the year but Bean Toad is a daily driver.

Cheers
David
Stay at Home Father
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
Ural Motorcycle - S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch

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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:03:46 MST
From: Ralph N Bradt <rnbradt@earthlink.net>
Subject: Oil filter adapters

So, what's the word on spin on oil filter adapters for 2.25 engines? What 
sources are they
available from and what are the pros and cons? And what would it be likely to 
cost? The stock
setup provides the messiest oil changing experience I've ever had to deal with. 
I've done it plenty
of times, but I'd welcome a better alternative. 

 

 

Ralph

If you don't see drips underneath, it's time to top off the fluids.

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Watch out for your rear mounted tyres
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:22:57 +1000

Sorry for the cross posting but at the January meeting of the Land Rover
Owners Club in Sydney (OZ), 5 members had their rear mounted spare wheels
stolen.

It appears that one really should have a lock fitted.

Interestingly, they didn't take the plastic Land Rover wheel centres nor the
wheel covers

So if you see a Rover with 5 different pattern treads.....

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Buying a SWB 2.25 diesel
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:22:39 +1000

Would someone give me an idea of expected fuel economy for a Series III SWB
2.25 diesel, please?

What should I look for, mechanically, in one of these motors?

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
check my home page at http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
for Hillman and Rover

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