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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:44:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Winter Romp list 2nd try...

This list got cut the first time..if it does again, those who need it, e-mail me direct and I'll send it privately-John
Available Lodging for the 1998 Winter Romp
 American Lodge     207-453-7111
 31 Main Street
 Fairfield, Me    04937       Rooms $37.45 Dub.Oup & up.
  Holiday Inn        207-873-0111
 375 Main Street
 Waterville, ME       04901  Weekend Rates $49.00 Dub.Oup. & up.
  Yankee Clipper Motel  207-338-2220
 Rt. #1
 Belfast, Me    04915
  Belfast Harbour Inn   207-338-2740
 Rt. #1
 Belfast, Me     04915
 B & B's
 Belhaven Inn          207-338-5435
 14 John Street
 Belfast, ME     04915
  The Frost House       207-338-4159
 8 Northport Ave.
 Belfast, Me     04915
 Thomas Pitcher House  207-338-6454
 19 Franklin Street
 Belfast, Me    4915
CAMPING
 Camping on the banks of the Sebasticook River!
 RSVP - Bruce Fowler
     740 Unity Road
      Benton, ME   04901-4028
      207)453-5074

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Commercial (LRO) Content!
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:35:07 -0500

Bill:
    Tried your web page.  Didn't work.  "Not available on this server."  I'd
like to see the pic & info on your 109 Land Rover - (Content)

Drew.
drewteri@concentric.net
"still looking"

-----Original Message-----
From: WJMcD@aol.com <WJMcD@aol.com>
Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 8:31 PM
Subject: Commercial (LRO) Content!

>I''ve have a 1969 109 for sale. She can be seen at
>http://member.aol.com/Beauty.html. This is a great opportunity to get a
>beautiful 109 (best year in my humble opinion) for a great price.
>Sorry for the commercial content. I've listed her everywhere else with no
>serious buyers. You could also call me. I'm in Washington DC 301.277.4321

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>'69 109"
>'66 MGB

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:03:41 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Dietz  Auto Lights

Hello All;  Does anyone know of the company named "Dietz" ?.  Apparently 
they are in to making auto lights , and I'm trying to locate them. E-mail 
or phone #'s would help. Thanks in advance.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Subject: Response Time of LROA, NA
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:19:52 -0600

Hello everyone.  I sent in my $20 for membership to said organisation well
over a month ago and as yet have not received anything to confirm that I am
a member in good standing.  Anyone know how long it takes LROA, NA to
process membership dues, etc.  Is this normal or did something get lost in
the mail (from either my end or theirs)?  Or have the dues increased or has
the address changed since I acquired my flyer a couple of years ago?  I'm
not upset with them, just curious.  Thanks.  Brian

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:22:54 EST
Subject: Absolutely no LR content.(Humor)

Only in America:

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The 1997 Darwin Award competition.
 
These awards are given each year to bestow upon (the remains of) that
individual, who through single-minded self-sacrifice, has done the most to 
remove undesirable elements from the human gene pool. Note there was great 
improvement in the areas of teamwork and cooperation among the candidates in
1997-- it's no longer an individual sport. Here are (drum roll) the 1997 
runners-up and winners:

5th runner-up:

A San Anselmo, California man died when he hit a lift tower at the Mammoth 
Mountain ski area while riding down the slope on a foam pad.

22-year old David Hubal was pronounced dead at Centinela Mammoth Hospital.
The accident occurred about 3 a.m., The Mono County Sheriff's Department said.
Hubal and his friends apparently had hiked up a ski run called Stump Alley
and undid some yellow foam protectors from lift towers, said Lt. Mike Donnelly
of the Mammoth Lakes Police Department.
 
The pads are used to protect skiers who might hit towers. The group
apparently used the pads to slide down the ski slope and Hubal crashed into a
tower. It
has since been investigated and determined the tower he hit was the one with
its pad removed.
 
4th Runner-up:
Robert Puelo, 32, was apparently being disorderly in a St. Louis market.
When the clerk threatened to call the police. Puelo grabbed a hot dog, shoved
it 
into his mouth and walked out without paying. Police found him unconscious
in front of the store-paramedics removed the six-inch wiener from his throat
where it had choked him to death.
 
3rd Runner-up:
To poacher Marino Malerba of Spain, who shot a stag standing above him on an
overhanging rock and was killed instantly when it fell on him.
 
2nd Runner-up:
Man loses face at party. A man at a West Virginia party (probably related to
the man in Arkansas who used the 22 bullet to replace the fuse in his
pick-up truck) popped a blasting cap into his mouth and bit down, triggering
an 
explosion that blew off his lips, teeth, and tongue. Jerry Stromyer, 24, of 
Kincaid, bit the blasting cap as a prank during the party late Tuesday
night, said Cpl. M.D. Payne. "Another man had it in an aquarium hooked to a
battery
and was trying to explode it", said Payne. "It wouldn't go off and this guy 
said I'll show you how to set it off". "He put it into his mouth and bit
down. It blew all his teeth out and his lips and tongue off", Payne said.
Stromyer
was listed in guarded condition Wednesday with extensive facial injuries, 
according to a spokesperson at Charleston Area Medical
Division. "I just can't imagine anyone doing something like that", Payne
said.
 
1st Runner-up:
Doctors at Portland University Hospital said an Oregon man shot through 
the skull by a hunting arrow is lucky to be alive and will be released soon 
from the hospital. Tony Roberts, 25, lost his right eye last weekend during
an initiation into a man's rafting club, Mountain Men Anonymous (probably
known
now as Stupid Mountain Men Anonymous) in Grants Pass, Oregon.
 
A friend tried to shoot a beer can off his head, but the arrow entered
Robert's right eye. Doctors said had the arrow gone 1 millimeter to the left,
a major
blood vessel would have been cut and Roberts would have died instantly. 
Neurosurgeon Doctor Johnny Delashaw at the University Hospital in Portland
said the arrow went through 8 to 10 inches of brain 
with the tip protruding at the rear of his skull, yet somehow managed to
miss all major blood vessels. Delashaw also said had Roberts tried to pull the
arrow out on his own he surely would have killed himself. Roberts admitted
afterwards he and his friends had been drinking that afternoon.
 
Said Roberts, "I feel so dumb about this". No charges have been filed, but
the Josephine County district attorney's office said the initiation stunt is
under investigation.
 
Last year's winner, you will remember, was the fellow who was killed when he
attached a JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) unit to his Chevy Impala and shot 
himself and his car into a desert cliff at 300 M.P.H.
 
Now this year's winners:
(The late) John Pernicky and his friend, (the late) Sal Hawkins, of the
great state of Washington, decided to attend a local Metallica concert at the
Gorge, Washington amphitheater. Having no tickets (but having had 18 beers
between 
them), they thought it would be easy to "hop" over the nine-foot fence and 
sneak into the show.
 
They pulled their pick-up truck over to the fence and the plan was for (the 
late) Mr. Pernicky (who was 100-pounds heavier than Mr. Hawkins) to hop the 
fence and then assist his friend over. Unfortunately for (the late) Mr. 
Pernicky, there was a 30-foot drop on the other side of the fence. Having 
heaved himself over, he found himself crashing through a tree. His fall was 
abruptly halted (and broken, along with his arm, as it were) by a large
branch that snagged him by his shorts. Dangling from the tree with a broken
arm, he
looked down and saw some bushes below him.
 
(Possibly) figuring the bushes would break his fall, he removed his
pocketknife and proceeded to cut away his shorts to free himself from the
tree. Finally 
free, (did I mention he is THE LATE) Mr. Pernicky crashed into Holly bushes.
The sharp leaves scratched his ENTIRE body and now without the protection of
his shorts, a Holly branch penetrated his rectal cavity. To make matters
worse (?!), on landing, his pocketknife penetrated his thigh 3-inches.
 
(The late) Mr. Hawkins, on seeing his friend in considerable pain and agony,
decided to throw him a rope and pull him to safety (now he thinks of the "S"
word) by tying the rope to the pick-up truck and slowly driving away.
However, in his drunken haste/state, he put the truck into reverse and crashed
through the fence landing on his friend and killing him. Police arrived to
find the 
crashed pick-up with its driver thrown 100-feet from the truck and dead at
the scene from massive internal injuries. Upon moving the truck, they found
John
under it, half-naked with scratches on his body, a holly stick in his
rectum, a knife in his thigh, and his shorts dangling from a tree branch
25-feet in
the air.
 
Congratulations gentlemen, you win... Remember, safety first... Remember THE
safety question: "WHAT'S THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN IF I DO THIS?"

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:10:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Sandra Harris <sharris@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, John Hong wrote:

> I was IN LAS VEGAS at the LIBERACE MUSEUM  by personal invitation from the
> Curator!  

	Doing research eh...  Hmmm...

> As for the judging, apologies Paul Denver but I do believe this is the
> jurisdiction of the OVLR OTT committee.

	Well, as I see it, the DorkTari is a year long trek towards a
goal, but *major* points towards winning can be garnered at the Birthday
Party.  Judging will be by the assembled masses, beer bribes would be
overlooked.  (who said you can't sway votes)

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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From: Elwyny@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:13:28 EST
Subject: Re: Commercial (LRO) Content!

In a message dated 31/01/98 01:31:30 GMT, you write:

 I''ve have a 1969 109 for sale. She can be seen at
 http://member.aol.com/Beauty.html. This is a great opportunity to get a
 beautiful 109 (best year in my humble opinion) for a great price.
  >>
As you are WJMcD@aol.com i would say that the correct address is

http://member.aol.com/wjmcd/Beauty.html

As there isnt a beauty in the root directory of the server!

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:39:34 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 101 production (was US 25 year import rule)

Hi Dave,
 I think that Clinton issued a prisidential order to that effect so that
no stuff could be brought in back after the federal building bombing.  I
heard that part of the order ment ammo boxes were to be crushed no
resold.  I think the government thinks all of the EX-MOD marerials could
be use by the civilians to over through the government..  Some
underground group have been formed using some of this stuff in any
event.  The government stopped china from importing automatic assult
rifles in CA. for sale to street gangs for example.
  Personally I only want a stage one 109 regular for my own use.  any
suggestions?

Regards,
  Rob Davis_Chicago

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Response Time of LROA, NA (fwd)

> Hello everyone.  I sent in my $20 for membership to said organisation well
> over a month ago and as yet have not received anything to confirm that I am
> a member in good standing.  Anyone know how long it takes LROA, NA to
> process membership dues, etc.  Is this normal or did something get lost in
> the mail 

	The last Aluminium Workhorse, to my knowledge, was produced
May/June 1997.  Though it is supposed to be a quarterly publication, there
seems to be some gaps in its production schedule.  My records show the
following - 3 issues in 1992, 4 issues in 1993, 4 in 1994, 2 in 1995, 2
issue in 1996, 1 issue in 1997.  
	It depends what you expect out of an organisation.  If it is a
regular newsletter you would like to receive, there are some clubs that
have an excellent record in producing newsletters on time (ie Bay State
(missed two bimonthly issues since establishement in 1990), Ottawa Valley
(never missed a monthly issue since establishemnt in 1984), Rover Owners
of Virginia (To my knowledge not only never missed a quarterly issue, but
has produced extra issues during the year since 1974 (Way to go Sandy!)),
R.O.V.E.R.S (never missed any bimonthly issues since it was established in
1995. There are newer clubs that have not missed anything yet, & don't
know of some of the other long term clubs) 
	If you are looking for events, well that is a whole different
subject...

	Rgds,

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:28:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (fwd)

Dr. Alan "Dorktari" Richer has Judy the chimpanse write -

> I was just going to rest on my.....laurels, but no, this young punslinger's
> got to come into town and make trouble.....

	If I remember my list history correctly, your declared challenger
is an ex-Taxachussets type too.  In fact from the Boston area.  Now,
whether or not he is bitter at being exiled from your lovely climate to
the horrors of Hawaii and California is a matter of conjecture.  This is
sounding more like a grudge match!

	Rgds,

PS. If colour mattered, Jim Pappas would have won for having a pink Land
Rover.  Since it is an official LR colour, I am not sure what extra points
you can get by using it.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:32:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary (fwd)

Sandy Grice wrote -

> received the press release from LRNA, I also got one from the Bowie British
> Car Day folks.  Typically held the thrid weekend in June - around the 20th
> - it has been rescheduled for the 28th.  Coincidence?  I think not.

	So you can make the Birthday Party this year... :-)

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:53:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary (fwd)

 "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com> wrote -

> Sorry to disapoint you but I am planning that the National Rally will be
> the LARGEST ROVER EVENT OF 1998. Also planned for the weekend of June 25-
> 27th. Hope that you won't be upset that we are taking all of the rovers from your
> little show :^).....HA HA!

	Er, LRNA is having its' "GM Saturn-like" event that weekend, not
the Association of North American Rover Clubs.  That rally is on the 1-2nd
of August (first weekend in August).  As I see it now you have picked the
busiest weekend going so far.

R.O.V.E.R.S. 50th Anniversary Rally (Carlisle PA)	May 9-10

ARC 50th Anniversary (Eastnor, England)			May 22-31

OVLR Birthday Party					June 20-21

Downeast Rally (Camden Maine area)			June 27/28
LRNA 50th Event (Lanham, Maryland)			June 27
Bowie British Car show (Allen Pond, Maryland)		June 28
Solihull Society Rally (Colorado)			June 26/28 
Series One Club 50th Anniv rally (Stafford England)	June 27/29

LRO - Billings Aquadrome				July 17-19

ANARC 50th Anniverasary Rally (Cortland NY)		July 31-Aug 2

ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rally 				end Sept?

BSROA Fall Heritage Rally				early Oct?

Rgds,

Dixon

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:04:58 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: Re: Electric fuel pump

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org

>Duh. just keep using the standard pump. Goes forever. 
>Watch now mine will fail...
>But I do have a spare...

>later
>DaveB.

Do you know your spare works?  Is it the right size?  do you have all the
parts?  Is it stored properly?

If so, you'll rupture the diaphram on install...

john  murphy  hong

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:12:06 -0500 (EST)
From: PETER KASKAN <PKASKAN@clarku.edu>
Subject: Re: Transmission Problems

Hi all - there might be more going on here! 

This is getting worse, I think. I was backing down a hill in reverse,
it popped out of gear, but when I looked at the lever, it was in
reverse all the way. I put it into neutral (I think I had trouble the first 
try like I've described previously) and then went forward a bit, and then 
tried to go in reverse again. No Reverse! I went through some other gears and 
tried again, it was back, and I could back up again.

When I lost reverse, there weren't any nasty sounds - maybe some minor 
grinding - but it wasn't like trying to downshift into second and missing the 
rpms.

Is this just another of the minor annoyances that come w/ a rover, or is my 
gearbox on it's way out?

Often I read about how much of a pain a gearbox rebuild is - why is that so? 
Does it entail a lot of micrometer work? Are the shafts and gears hard to 
remove? Do you need a hydrolic press?

So - Is there anybody in the US/Canada who has purchased a new/rebuilt Series
IIA gearbox from England, and had it shipped here? I'd like to know the 
details of having such a large item shipped - if anybody knows.

What company in England has a good reputation for this sort of thing?

Happy Rovering - Peter Kaskan - 1965 Series IIA SWB Ex-MoD 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:24:31 -0800
From: John Hong <jhong@best.com>
Subject: Re: OVLR Dork Tari Award (was Towball Award)
Mime-Version: 1.0

>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:43:22 -0500
>From: Eric Zipkin <ericz@cloud9.net>

>Simple way to win, just show up in a Freelander P.O.S.  !!!

Dear Mr. Zippy,  I shure hope you meant this for Mr. Alan and not me cause
dems fighting words in my parts.
I can just buy me a gun from CIrvin1258 (sorry buddy, but prices have been
dropping lately) and we can play hatfields and mccoys...(Montagues and
Capulets for you intl readers, forgive spelling, my best of shakespeare is
in hawaii and i am not.)

U r right thought, it would be a shure thing to win but I won't stoop so
low.   Et tu  AJR?

aroha

john "who seriously hopes your eye recovers 100%!" hong

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:44:31 EST
Subject: Unusual timing question

Hi all,

I was going to replace points condensor and rotor today (it's been 2 years)
and thought I'd check the timing too.  I have a timing mark on the front cover
but when I started to examine the crank pulley, I found out it has no marks on
it.  As I have mentioned before, even though the Brick is a 67 IIa, the
engine/transmission is SII.  

It does have the flywheel housing cover plate, but I have a few practical
questions before I get started.

Are the timing marks on the flywheel generally viewed through the large
plugged hole in the cowling cover? (Right side)

I am afraid the flywheel may have been replaced and might not have timing
marks on it.  Is there another way to set the timing then?

If I don't move the distributor housing, can I just change the points,
condensor and rotor without adjusting the timing?

Thanks

Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:07:15 EST
Subject: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

I removed the grey carpeting in the back of my truck (on the wheelboxes, etc.)
and it was held down with long strips of double sided sticky tape, which I'm
now trying to get off. So far, I've tried a bottle called "GooGone" or
"GoopGone" and Bug'N'Tar Remover, both of which turn the lines into a jelly
which then smears everywhere... This stuff is hard to get off.

Any ideas on lifting this tape goop?

So anyway, the reason I took up the carpeting to begin with was that it held
in moisture every time it rained (you know, the water that leaks in...) and
the rover would have fogged windows and be all musty the next day. I decided
to switch from the carpet-type of floor mats etc., to the rubber ones which I
can clean and dry quickly. 

I know there are rubber mats (from RN, etc.) for the front and middle of the
110, but I haven't yet seen one for the rear area. The other item I'd like to
change from carpeting to rubber or something impervious to water would be the
trans tunnel cover at the gearshift. ROW D90s that aren't SW/County trim have
them, I think. Or just go without, it isn't a big deal to me. 

Since it is impossible to keep the water out, I may as well let it leave
easily, right?

pat
93 "humid, partly foggy today" 110

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:13:56 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

>I removed the grey carpeting in the back of my truck (on the wheelboxes, etc.)
>which then smears everywhere... This stuff is hard to get off.
>Any ideas on lifting this tape goop?

3M makes just the stuff you need. Simply called "adhesive remover". Avail.
at any marine or auto parts store that sells paints, or 3M products. We use
it all the time, and it will do the job.
Have a great day!

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:14:26 EST
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

use a heat gun...it should remove it nicely....beware of flammables while
using it though...you know   BOOOOOOM!

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:03:35 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Virus Warning

What do you call a computer virus which -

Erases important parts of your operative system
Loses data
Slows up your PC
Loses e-mail
Attacks the efficiency of all non-microsoft programmes
Reprogrammes itself with alarming regularity....

scroll down
>.
Yes - you guessed! WINDOWS 95

sorry for the humor, but W95, for all its benefits, drives me bananas
sometimes.

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:05:33 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> I removed the grey carpeting in the back of my truck (on the wheelboxes, etc.)
> and it was held down with long strips of double sided sticky tape, which I'm
> now trying to get off. So far, I've tried a bottle called "GooGone" or
> "GoopGone" and Bug'N'Tar Remover, both of which turn the lines into a jelly
> which then smears everywhere... This stuff is hard to get off.
> Any ideas on lifting this tape goop?

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> pat
> 93 "humid, partly foggy today" 110

Pat:  Sounds like mine on a rainy day, very foggy. (Does that mean on a 
cold day it snows inside?) Just get yourself one of those official LR 
window squeegees. They say it works well on the outside of the Rover too! 
 
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:08:19 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

Most adhesives can be dissolved by solvents ranging from propylene,
ethyl alcohol, to petrol (gas) - my favourite is Xylene paint thinners -
even diesel works on some things.

Usual disclaimers - protect yourself when using this stuff!

Years ago, when I worked in a theatre in England, the cleaning staff had
some sort of freezing-spray in a can, which they used to freeze chewing
gum on the carpets and seat fabrics, when frozen, it could be bashed
with a hammer, and then removed with a vaccuum cleaner.

I have since tried similar operations with the freezer spray which we
use for cooling electronic components - works just as well.

I think this is a good solution if you can get the stuff - good luck!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:23:06 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> Most adhesives can be dissolved by solvents ranging from propylene,
> ethyl alcohol, to petrol (gas) - my favourite is Xylene paint thinners -
> even diesel works on some things.
> Usual disclaimers - protect yourself when using this stuff!
> Years ago, when I worked in a theatre in England, the cleaning staff had

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> use for cooling electronic components - works just as well.
> I think this is a good solution if you can get the stuff - good luck
Now there's what we can do with Canadian Winter put it a can and sell it
to Europeans sounds like a money maker to me!
        John

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: 101 production (was US 25 year import rule)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:25:21 -0500

Seems to me that all of our troubles with importing Land Rovers (101, =
110, 130) stem from the abolishment of the "once in a lifetime, one per =
person" waiver from customs in 1990 or 1991. Does anyone know why this =
was repealed?? It seems to me that our elected representatives would =
have more to worry about than less than 1% of the population importing =
non US spec vehicles. If anyone knows any of the history behind this I =
love to know. I wonder if there are enough folks out there that want to =
import one make or another to make enough noise to get this changed.
					Later

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From: 	car4doc[SMTP:car4doc@concentric.net]
Sent: 	Saturday, January 31, 1998 12:39 PM
Subject: 	Re: 101 production (was US 25 year import rule)

Hi Dave,
 I think that Clinton issued a prisidential order to that effect so that
no stuff could be brought in back after the federal building bombing.  I
heard that part of the order ment ammo boxes were to be crushed no
resold.  I think the government thinks all of the EX-MOD marerials could
be use by the civilians to over through the government..  Some
underground group have been formed using some of this stuff in any
event.  The government stopped china from importing automatic assult
rifles in CA. for sale to street gangs for example.
  Personally I only want a stage one 109 regular for my own use.  any
suggestions?

Regards,
  Rob Davis_Chicago

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:33:24 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

john cranfield wrote:
> Adrian Redmond wrote:
> > Most adhesives can be dissolved by solvents ranging from propylene,
> > ethyl alcohol, to petrol (gas) - my favourite is Xylene paint thinners -
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 17 lines)]
> > I have since tried similar operations with the freezer spray which we
> > use for cooling electronic components - works just as well.
> > I think this is a good solution if you can get the stuff - good luck
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> to Europeans sounds like a money maker to me!
>         John

  Naw, I don't think so John. The government would would get in on it, 
slap some crazy taxes on it, probably end up selling it some foreigner, 
then we'd be stuck without a winter. Hmmmm.......

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:37:57 EST
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

In a message dated 98-01-31 20:09:10 EST, you write:

<< Years ago, when I worked in a theatre in England, the cleaning staff had
 some sort of freezing-spray in a can, which they used to freeze chewing
 gum on the carpets and seat fabrics, when frozen, it could be bashed
 with a hammer, and then removed with a vaccuum cleaner.
 
 I have since tried similar operations with the freezer spray which we
 use for cooling electronic components - works just as well.
 
 I think this is a good solution if you can get the stuff - good luck!
  >>

Adrian,

These sprays generally contain freon  (ozone eating) or a related compound.
As such they are becoming very (as in expensive and hard to find) rare.  

Nate

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:38:25 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series Diffs

Taking apart a diff for refurbishing, I'm told there is supposed to be 2 
special bolts on the crown wheel. Yet, all the bolts that came out of 
this crown are the same. Am I missing something?

Cheers,  

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:41:49 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-01-31 20:09:10 EST, you write:
> << Years ago, when I worked in a theatre in England, the cleaning staff had
>  some sort of freezing-spray in a can, which they used to freeze chewing
>  gum on the carpets and seat fabrics, when frozen, it could be bashed
>  with a hammer, and then removed with a vaccuum cleaner.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> As such they are becoming very (as in expensive and hard to find) rare.
> Nate

You could always use the CO2 fire extinguisher. It would cover a large 
part of the seat box in short order.( If you have any left over after 
chilling your beer that is!)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: RE: 101 production (was US 25 year import rule)  Cont'd And another Thing!!!!!
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:43:21 -0500

It also seems to me that the government is putting otherwise normal law =
abiding citizens in the position of having to find ways to skirt =
regulations or otherwise maybe break the law. I feel that  the U.S. =
Government telling us what we can drive and can't drive is a deliberate =
infringement on our constitutional right "to the pursuit of happiness". =
Any lawyers out there wanna take this to the Supreme Court with me. I =
can't pay any fees but you can have the book rights. If Paula Jones(who =
I couldn't really give a damn whether she was harassed. It was probably =
the best night of her life.) can get the supreme court to decide on =
whether her case can proceed against Bill Clinton while he is still in =
office. It seems to me that all of us every day average citizens should =
be able to get our constitutional beefs heard.
			Sorry to rant I am just fed up with the way our                       =
                          government doesn't work!!!! 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:44:43 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Series Diffs

Con P. Seitl wrote:

> Taking apart a diff for refurbishing, I'm told there is supposed to be 2
> special bolts on the crown wheel. Yet, all the bolts that came out of
> this crown are the same. Am I missing something?

Yes, your are missing something, the two special bolts!

I'm going from memory here, but I believe the two special bolts only pertain
to the imperial dimensioned Rover ring and pinion gears.  From what I
recall, the way to identify the two special bolts is they are longer by
about 1/8" to 3/16".  But more importantly, they also are a slightly larger
diameter at the shoulder (.390" vs. .375").  It is designed this way to
closely align the ring gear as it is initially tightened, before you fully
tighten the other bolts.  You will notice that most Rover ring gears are not
a tight fit on the diff carrier, unlike other differentials.

Something that can't be overstressed is that if you are installing a ring
gear, is to make certian than you apply the correct liquid threadlocker to
all of the bolts, and evenly tighten to specs, also noting that the special
bolts are tightened to a different torque than the normal ones.  I have seen
several Rover diffs ruined because the ring gear came loose, even with lock
plates installed.

I'll go out in the shop and scrounge up some Rover diff bolts, both imperial
and metric when I get a good chance.

Garret Scott
Knoxville, TN

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:57:33 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Transmission Problems

PETER KASKAN wrote:

> Hi all - there might be more going on here!
> This is getting worse, I think. I was backing down a hill in reverse,
> it popped out of gear, but when I looked at the lever, it was in
> reverse all the way. I put it into neutral (I think I had trouble the first
> try like I've described previously) and then went forward a bit, and then
> tried to go in reverse again. No Reverse! I went through some other gears and
> tried again, it was back, and I could back up again.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Does it entail a lot of micrometer work? Are the shafts and gears hard to
> remove? Do you need a hydrolic press?

It sounds to me like you need to do some preliminary investigation before you
declare you gearbox dead.  It could be that all that is wrong is the ball on the
end of the main shift lever, or maybe you have a loos shift fork, or a broken
detent spring.  All easy to fix without removing the gearbox.

Rebiulding the series Rover gearbox is very easy, as far as gearbox rebiulds go.
There is not a "lot" of micrometer work, but to get it right it does take some
accurate measurements, a good understanding of what you are doing and a LOT of
patience.  Really, understanding exactly what you are doing and having patience
is most important with any Rover repair work.   The transmission can be
diss-assembled without a press if you have a good assortment of hammers, drifts,
punches and circlip pliers.  The case design is such that all of the gut's will
come right out without a press.  This is because the original Land Rover
engineers had the forthought to design the gearbox casing such that the input end
of the casing unbolts with the bell housing.

Unless you just want to learn, or save money, or your Rover's health is not
essential to your life style. I would reccomend obtianing a quality rebiult unit
from a reputable Land Rover parts distributer.  In my experience, the first time
a novice rebiulds the gearbox, there are a few minor problems.  But hey, it's the
best way to learn.

Garret Scott
Knoxville, TN

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From: Kevin Sellitti <Kevinsel@gte.net>
Subject: 300tdi Question.
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:24:34 -0500

Is the 300tdi Engine built by Land Rover or is it an Isuzu????

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:12:57 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: 300tdi Question.

Kevin Sellitti wrote:

> Is the 300tdi Engine built by Land Rover or is it an Isuzu????

Yes, it is a Land Rover built motor.  It is the latest iteration (is
that a word?) of Land Rover's legendary 4 cylinder petrol and diesel
motors, which was an overhead valve design originally introduced with
the series II Rover in 1958 (I think).   The TDi block is still very
similar to the original design. The big differences are in the cylinder
head of the TDi.   An aluminum casting, with Bosch direct diesel
injection, designed with help from AVL in Graz, Austria.  Also, all of
the later Land Rover diesels (turbos, and TDi) have the distributer pump
driven from a toothed belt direct from the crankshaft, unlike the
originals which were driven off the cam.  And of course, the TDi' fuel
intake is supercharged, with a Garrett Air Research exhaust gas driven
turbine compressor (turbo).

In Australia only, a 3.9 litre indirect injection 4 cylinder Isuzu motor
was available from the factory in late series III, and later Land
Rovers.  It is still the choice of Jaguar Rover Australia's (JRA)
military Land Rover, the Perentie.  But my understanding is that it is
no longer available in civilian Land Rovers after the introduction of
the TDi.

Garret Scott
Knoxville, TN

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Removing Tape and Moisture Control
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:39:34 -0800

> So anyway, the reason I took up the carpeting to begin with was that it
held
> in moisture every time it rained (you know, the water that leaks in...)

Where is the water coming in from?

Frank

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 1 Feb 1998 04:55:13 -0000
Subject: politics / dubious land rover content

there are many places to discuss politics, and post darwin awards, and
virus warnings and all other kinds of not land-rover bull shit.

this mailing list is not once such place

so make a note of it.

mind what you post,
  -B

(ps the software once enabled,
doesn't discriminate based on content,
it discriminates on Sender...there are no warnings)

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Subject: imports
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:19:52 +1300

Kia ora.
              I see by some of the comments concerning vehicle imports that
those state side have trouble importing vehicles from overseas?. I am not to
sure what the  U.S.A's government reason is but one good one, could be
PROTECTING jobs in their country. Down here in New Zealand we have a
government that is hell bent on getting as many people as possible on the
dole (unemployment). We once built about 90% of our cars and trucks for
ourselves. At the end of this month we will only have 1 car factory still
producing and for how long is unknown. We are now the dumping ground for all
the used Jap crap cars and not only that we also import all the soil born
bugs, grubs and other nasties that come with the vehicles. we even import
used tyre's. So if that is only one of the reasons (protecting jobs) then
this here Kiwi thinks good job!!!.  I.M.H.O  F.W.I.I.W

       Tom now leans over reaching for his hard hat and flame proof apparel

Cheers.... Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)
tomd@clear.net.nz

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 00:00:06 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: LR 50th Anniversary West Coast Bash

Land Rover / Range Rover / Defender / Discovery / Freelander

    California LROA members invite all Land Rover Owners
                  and Enthusiasts to the

        Land Rover 50th Anniversary West Coast Bash
                       <1948-1998>

    to be held at the Hollister Hills SVRA Park, Hollister
                     California, USA
        Friday May 15th through Sunday May 17th, 1998

     On site camping facilities for 90+ vehicles available
         many more off site and day use accomodations.

       All Land Rover clubs are invited to be co-hosts
    and offer their expertise, time and members' services.
     Commercial vendors are actively sought as Sponsors.

            For further information please see
                www.landrover.net/LROA/50th

        or contact Geoff Jackson, Event Coordinator
            408-574-3798 USA <rrover91@aol.com>

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 05:09:58 EST
Subject: Re: Transmission Problems

Hi Peter,

I will work out some prices and email them on Monday night. What is your Zip
code so i can calculate the carriage? 

Regards

David Ashcroft (Automatic Conversions UK)

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