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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: snow and ice
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:31:36 +1100

Brian G. Holmes wrote:

realized
that our keyboard doesn't have cents symbol) ......

So for those of you who can't type symbols not on keyboards, here are a few
work-arounds (Australians use a US keyboard layout) for PC users

Hold the Alt key down whilst typing the numbers on the *numeric keypad*,
not the figures above the letters (note - you have to type all 4 figures
including the zero):

Alt-0162 = ¢	(cent symbol)
Alt-0163 = £	(British Pound)
Alt-0165 = ¥	(Japanese Yen)
Alt-0188 = ¼	(1/4)
Alt-0189 = ½	(1/2)
Alt-0190 = ¾	(3/4)
Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: The Phantom drives a Series III
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:34:03 +1100

I went off 4wding and camping for a few days this week.  Whilst I was away
i bought the local newspaper for the area in which I was camping.

What did I find but a Phantom comic strip where "There are times, they say,
when the Phantom leaves the jungle."  And he is driving a Series III as he
departs his jungle home.

*BUT*, I am now more confused as to where he might live.  I've always
assumed that it was in Africa, perhaps because of the animals.  I've also
assume it was in a piece of country which developed under British rule
because of the style of the Jungle Patrol clothes etc.

However, I may be wrong.  The Phantom is driving a LHD Landie.  So, it
can't be an ex-British colony.

I know we recently had to prove to you Americans on the list that RHD is
still the most common driving style so let's contemplate:

Jungles are commonly associated with Central America/Northern South
America; with Asia, and with Africa.
LHD probably rules in the Americas but RHD rules in Africa and Asia.
Tigers and lions feature in the comic strip, so it can't be set in the
Americas.
Tigers exist in Asia but not in Africa
Lions exist in Africa but not in Asia.
Pygmies exist in Africa but not in Asia.
Do wolves (e.g., The Phantom's wolf, Devil) exist in Africa or only in the
Americas and Europe?

Hmm, I'm totally lost,  Where *does* the Phantom live? 

  Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 06:58:33 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: The Phantom drives a Series III

On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Ron Beckett wrote:

> Hmm, I'm totally lost,  Where *does* the Phantom live? 

On the comic page.

David

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:41:32 +0100
From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: training weatherstripping

At 17:31 31-12-97 -0800, you wrote:

>We replaced ALL the rubber in the pickup top of Stubby.  Everything is fine
>except for the door leading edge piece.  

John,

Lindsay Porter (in his book "guide to purchase and DIY restoration") uses a
piece of masking tape around the doorseal in exactly the spot that you
describe to "train" it. 
You should leave it in place for two to three weeks.

Regards,
Jan.

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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Subject: Brakes become weaker as I drive
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:26:00 -0600

I've just replaced a wheel cylinder on an 88in 64 llA.  I have adjusted and
bled the brakes.  The pedal is firm with about one inch of travel at the
start of a drive. However after a couple of miles and several brake
applications the pedal goes all the way to the floor but is then extremely
firm on the second application.  Reservoir fluid level is unchanged so I do
not have a fluid leak.  However, the reservoir did run dry so I imagine that
air entered the master ( CV type I think).  I have no idea how to bleed the
master cylinder -  cannot see a bleed screw.

In 2 years ownership I have never touched the master cylinder.  Is this the
cause of my problems and would a rebuild kit from RN be the answer?

David Hope
64llA
95 D90 SW, both green, both unnamed

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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Subject: Brakes become weaker as I drive
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 10:53:00 -0600

I've just replaced a wheel cylinder on an 88in 64 llA.  I have adjusted and
bled the brakes.  The pedal is firm with about one inch of travel at the
start of a drive. However after a couple of miles and several brake
applications the pedal goes all the way to the floor but is then extremely
firm on the second application.  Reservoir fluid level is unchanged so I do
not have a fluid leak.  However, the reservoir did run dry so I imagine that
air entered the master ( CV type I think).  I have no idea how to bleed the
master cylinder -  cannot see a bleed screw.

In 2 years ownership I have never touched the master cylinder.  Is this the
cause of my problems and would a rebuild kit from RN be the answer?

David Hope
64llA
95 D90 SW, both green, both unnamed

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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Subject: Brakes become weaker as I drive
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:25:49 -0600

I've just replaced a wheel cylinder on an 88in 64 llA.  I have adjusted and
bled the brakes.  The pedal is firm with about one inch of travel at the
start of a drive. However after a couple of miles and several brake
applications the pedal goes all the way to the floor but is then extremely
firm on the second application.  Reservoir fluid level is unchanged so I do
not have a fluid leak.  However, the reservoir did run dry so I imagine that
air entered the master ( CV type I think).  I have no idea how to bleed the
master cylinder -  cannot see a bleed screw.

In 2 years ownership I have never touched the master cylinder.  Is this the
cause of my problems and would a rebuild kit from RN be the answer?

David Hope
64llA
95 D90 SW, both green, both unnamed

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 09:28:43 EST
Subject: Re: Brakes become weaker as I drive

In a message dated 98-01-01 09:14:03 EST, you write:

<< I've just replaced a wheel cylinder on an 88in 64 llA.  I have adjusted and
 bled the brakes.  The pedal is firm with about one inch of travel at the
 start of a drive. However after a couple of miles and several brake
 applications the pedal goes all the way to the floor but is then extremely
 firm on the second application.  Reservoir fluid level is unchanged so I do
 not have a fluid leak.  However, the reservoir did run dry so I imagine that
 air entered the master ( CV type I think).  I have no idea how to bleed the
 master cylinder -  cannot see a bleed screw.
 
 In 2 years ownership I have never touched the master cylinder.  Is this the
 cause of my problems and would a rebuild kit from RN be the answer? >>

Sounds like 2 pumps are needed to get the wheel cylinder to push the shoes out
far enough.  Usually master cylinder problems involve the pedal slowly going
to the floor after applying and holding the brakes on.

I would wonder if the problem is adjustment of the brakes.   From experience,
if the wheel has absolutely no drag after installing the new shoes (components
whatever), after a little while, the shoes "seat" themselves and the pedal
travel increases.  I now adjust my brakes with a little bit of drag.  It could
also be you've put the shoes/springs on incorrectly or that the wheel cylinder
is bad.

Finally, make sure the cam adjusters aren't worn.  If they are, they won't
keep the shoes out to where you've adjusted them.

Nate

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From: bulldog@meganet.net
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 09:56:50 -0500
Subject: Employment opportunity with British Bulldog Spares Ltd.

Hi everyone,

  We are looking for more sales staff to work in our growing parts
department.  All applicants should be enthusiastic and knowlegable about
Land/Range Rover products, and have excellent telephone and customer
service skills.  We are located in Fall River Mass. The telephone # is
toll free 1-888-874-3888

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From: "ASFCO" <ASFCO@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: looking for Jere Conner of Pa
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 10:30:15 PST

I am trying to locate Jere Conner of Manchester, Pa.  anyone have any inf=
o?
Thanks and best wishes for the New Year
Steve Bradke
   

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:51:20 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: That darn starter..

Adrian asks,

|And whilst on subject - is it really necessary to strip the manifolds to
|remove the starter motor? or is there a curious gyn=E6cological method of
|safe removal and refitting of which i am not aware? Any suggestions?
|Anyone else with a pointer on this problem is welcome to reply!

Adrian,  you need not remove the exhaust or anything else to extract the
starter motor.  All you have to do is turn the front wheels all the way to
the right and that will give you enough room to get the beast out.  Pull
the "front" of the starter up as the shaft is being removed from the
flywheel,  then guide the starter straight down and around the steering arm
and exhaust pipe.  This is for a LHD, for RHD I'm not sure, probably the
same without the steering arm

Michael Johnson
Chief Information Officer
Digital Analysis Research Concepts
johnsonm@darc.net

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From: "Dries Venter" <ventera@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: The Chrysler slant six
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:43:23 +0200

David Kurzman wrote (amongst other things):
>>...(sitting around by myself on New Years Eve thinking about
>>Chrysler motors in old British trucks--Gotta get a life)  
'>>66 88 Ragtop (not worth much in Maltese money)

Are you aware that the Rover V8 was a Chrysler engine?  Which started off
in the far mists of time as a BMW engine.  Apparently Chrysler had a lot of
problems with the aluminium cracking, which BMW also couldn't solve
originally.  Rover licked the problem.  Now we'rer back to BMW  (Do you
people outside South Africa get LR's with BM engines yet?) 

And speaking of Maltese money, how many Maltese poodles in a Maltese pound?

Dries Venter

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:55:23 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: The Chrysler slant six

Dries Venter wrote:
> David Kurzman wrote (amongst other things):
> >>...(sitting around by myself on New Years Eve thinking about
> >>Chrysler motors in old British trucks--Gotta get a life)
> '>>66 88 Ragtop (not worth much in Maltese money)
> Are you aware that the Rover V8 was a Chrysler engine?  Which started off
> in the far mists of time as a BMW engine.  Apparently Chrysler had a lot of

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> And speaking of Maltese money, how many Maltese poodles in a Maltese pound?
> Dries Venter
I am  afraid you have it wrong. The V8 started life as a Buick engine
from General Motors but to call it a Buick these days is about accurate
as calling all cars horseless carriages.
   John

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:59:49
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The Chrysler slant six

 "Are you aware that the Rover V8 was a Chrysler engine?  Which started 
  off in the far mists of time as a BMW engine." 
Dries Venter

Yes. And that reminds me. About 2 blocks from my house (in Richmond,
Virginia-USA) there is a Rover P6B (AKA 3500 in the states-I think)
sitting in an alley. I'm pretty sure it's for sale. If anyone needs 
a Rover V-8 I could check on it. The body looks real rough.
Best, Dave  (804) 233-1341

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:41:25 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Re: trac edges....

I found mine at a Farm store called Gebo's in Texas.  They carried tires
for tractors and the sort. They were only $60-65 each for 7.50x16 less for
6.50 and 6.00.  Tubes were no problem for these people either.  I beleive
they are made by Cooper and say Tru-Trac on the sidewall.  I had the same
experience as you until I checked out this place. 

Steve Fullwood

>I called about 8 tyre places.....(around worcester mass) looking for a 
>set for my '63 IIa in 7.50x16's... some didn't want to know about them,
>and wanted to sell me their favorite tyre, others could get them, but
>didn't deal with tubes, so I went back to the tyre place I like and
>they couldn't get them any quicker, but they were willing to do it,
>and they do tubes...
>they do exist, about $140. each in the 7.50x16 size...
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>they do exist, about $140. each in the 7.50x16 size...
>-Bill

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:09:13 -0600
From: Steve Fullwood <ansdf@ttacs1.ttu.edu>
Subject: Re: That darn starter..

	My starter as well has no ground strap.  Are you saying to run a ground
from the mounting bolts on the bell housing to a bolt on the block the
block or the frame?  Where exactly does the ground go to on the block or
frame. Also my rover has no solenoid I think only a starter button that
runs directly to the starter.  The reason I ask this is my starter is
sluggish as well.
	To Bill C. I did not read the rest of the thread to know that you were
only interested in BFG.  
	

Steve Fullwood 
Ser II

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:38:42 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Rover v8 a Buick

Aloha:

>Are you aware that the Rover V8 was a Chrysler engine?  Which started off
>in the far mists of time as a BMW engine.  Apparently Chrysler had a lot of
>problems with the aluminium cracking, which BMW also couldn't solve
>originally.  Rover licked the problem.

NOT!!!!
	The v8 in the rover started life as a buick engine that was found in the
buick and olds small car of the early 60's.  It was not chrysler and don't
think it went through Bavaria to get to England.  GM may have had other
problems with the engine but seem to remember the car had a reputation for
carburator fires, nothing to do with aluminum casting, which led to
customer distrust.  The abandonment of economy cars and better casting
techniques that allowed lighter iron v8's made the aluminum v8 superflous
by the mid 60's.  It was sold to British Leyland or one of its antecedents.

	I am not an expert on this engine but think it had cam and bottom end
problems that weren't fully resolved until the 90's.  Don't think Aluminum
Castings were the big problems faced by this engine.

Peter Ogilvie

  

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:05:34 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Subject: Re: That darn starter..

On Thu, 1 Jan 1998, Steve Fullwood wrote:

> 	My starter as well has no ground strap.  Are you saying to run a ground
from the mounting bolts on the bell housing to a bolt on the block the
 block or the frame?  Where exactly does the ground go to on the block or
frame. Also my rover has no solenoid I think only a starter button that
 runs directly to the starter.  The reason I ask this is my starter is
> sluggish as well.

I ran a 4ga Cu cable from one of the mounting studs to my ground point.  I
have (curtesy of the PO) a brass lug that everything is grounded to.  This
seems to avoid problems like flaky taillights, as well as better
charging.  With the addition of the starter ground strap, it spins much
faster than it did before-- nearly as quickly at 15 F as it was at 50F.  

(It turns out my starting problems were a flaky fuel pump.  Mr Sinclair
has an electric fuel pump of the ilk used on race-prepared MGs and
Triumphs.  This is another previous owner trick, the stupidity of which I
am not sure.  I haven't had any problems with it in 12K miles, untill
yesterday when the splice at the power connection got flakey.  That is
fixed, and it started more or less right up.  Always remember to turn the
key before hitting that starter switch....

David/Mr. Sinclair(Still whining about being washed)

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From: NADdMD <NADdMD@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:11:08 EST
Subject: Prop shaft question

Hi all,

Just curious,  when the sliding joint in a prop shaft goes bad, can it be
replaced?  I'm afraid I know the answer to this one but I thought I'd ask.

Thanks

Nate

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:43:11 -0500
From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Prop shaft question

Nate

I just took my front prop shaft into a drive line specialist yesterday and
they said they could replace the slip joint... for $200! Seemed a little
pricey so I told him I was going to shop around a bit. Surely I can find a
used one cheaper than that.

Later,
Brett

NADdMD wrote:

> Hi all,
> Just curious,  when the sliding joint in a prop shaft goes bad, can it be
> replaced?  I'm afraid I know the answer to this one but I thought I'd ask.
> Thanks
> Nate

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:09:54 +0100
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Rover v8 a Buick

As I recall from an LRO article on the history of the 3500 engine, the reason GM
sold the rights were due to problems they were encountering in manufacturing. They
were pouring the aluminum around the sleeves and were encountering a high percentage
of failure. Rover, when they got the rights, poured the aluminum, bored the
cylinders out, and slipped in the sleeves. A neighbor here used to work at the
Pontiac/ GM dealership here in the sixties. He said they had to warrant a couple of
engines d/t cam lifters wearing out the aluminum block and becoming sloppy. I'm sure
there are other stories out there.

Tom

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

> Aloha:
> >Are you aware that the Rover V8 was a Chrysler engine?  Which started off
> >in the far mists of time as a BMW engine.  Apparently Chrysler had a lot of
> >problems with the aluminium cracking, which BMW also couldn't solve
> >originally.  Rover licked the problem.
> NOT!!!!
>         The v8 in the rover started life as a buick engine that was found in the
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> Castings were the big problems faced by this engine.
> Peter Ogilvie

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:19:00 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Prop shaft question

Brett Storey wrote:
> Nate
> I just took my front prop shaft into a drive line specialist yesterday and
> they said they could replace the slip joint... for $200! Seemed a little
> pricey so I told him I was going to shop around a bit. Surely I can find a
> used one cheaper than that.

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> > Thanks
> > Nate

Sure Brett, I can sell you a used one for less than $200  ;-)

Con Seitl
1972 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:27:29 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Annual 007 discussion

This doesn't really have Land Rover content, but the "Jeep" in front of the
plane in the first scene TND was the same type that I saw on sale at the
Budapest Flea Market last April.  I could have bought it for the money I had in
my pocket!  Couldn't have imported it to the US, though.

C

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:57:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Rover v8 a Buick

There *was* a problem with porous castings. Leaking of oil or weeping of
coolant; that sort of thing. It just cost too much for GM to want to put the
bucks into proper development, since the market would buy other, older
technology anyway, as long as it was longer, lower, wider, all that madison
avenue hype merkins lap up.
The engine also had a rep as 'unrebuildable'. Same thing twenty years later
with Cadillac's HT4100 V8. Poor oiling led to cam bearing failure, led to new
engine since *everyone* knew aluminum engines weren't rebuildable. D'ohh!!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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