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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:19:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas L Boothby <boothby@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: 2.6 to 3.0 liter conversion

Several years ago, I made this conversion with some helpful advice from Bill
Vallerand of Greene ME. I managed to find my notes, so here goes: 

Most of the conversion is simply a matter of swapping parts from the 2.6 to
3L. Swap the front motor mounts, flywheel housing, carburator linkage, oil
pressure line (to use a gauge rather than idiot light), exhaust manifold,
steel heater hose line from water pump, and the rocker arm cover. Several
other parts need rearranging. The water outlet pipe (thermostat housing)
needs to be rotated to the right. The flywheel from the 2.6 won't bolt up,
but one from a 2.25L 4 cyl. will. 
The only other modification I needed to make was to the starter. There isn't
much clearance between the flywheel and the pinion gear on the starter,
which can cause it to fail to disengage. I took the pinion gear off and used
a belt grinder to grind off an eighth of an inch from each tooth, being
carefull not to alter the angle of the teeth. This worked well and never
caused me any trouble. One other caution regarding starters is that the one
from the 3L is larger in diameter and if it's used you may not be able to
remove it without taking half the truck apart.
All in all, this is not a very difficult conversion, provides a bit more
power, and keeps the truck a true Rover. I've also done a conversion to a
Volvo B30 powerplant, but that's another story. 

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Subject: Re: 	lla paint colors..help
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 97 08:09:39 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

Is the list down again? I didn't get a Sat or Sun digest?

My 1969 IIA is Pastel Green (can be seen at my site). Also, 
http://www.crl.com/~cs/ROVER/PAINT.HTM may be of some use.

On 9/6/97 06:55 owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com wrote: 

>From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
>Subject: lla paint colors..help
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:36:11 +0000
>Anyone know what colors were available for the lla ?
>   I will be doing a respray of my '68 next week and have been thinking of
>changing the color from its origional Limestone to 
>pastel green, however I do not think pastel green was available until the
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>WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
>                   68 S lla 88                 

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 SIIA SWB (Pastel Green, 4-speed)
1997 SD (Oxford Blue, 5-speed)
1977 FJ40 (rust, 8-speed (hopefully still))

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: 3 liter swop

Bil Adams writes re 3 liter.
 Sorry but you are mistaken
The block on the later 3 litre is the same as the later 2.6, the  crank
throw is different as is the head, it was made by Weslake and it is the head
and manifold that gives it the large increase in power over the 2.6. and
over the mk1 3 litre.   This head was fitted to the later NADA 2.6 's to
give them more power. these heads are awkward on the right hand drive
vehicles since the air cleaner interferes with the steering box, howevert on
a LHD this is not a problem.
 The mk 2 or 3 engine is a superb engine for a Land Rover, smooth, powerful
and quiet. From memory ( they stopped making them circa 1965 ) the 2 1/4
petrol flywheel fits the crankshaft. 
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:37:29 -0400
From: William S Kowalski <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Subject: British Car Union Festival (Chicago)

On behalf of the British Car Union, I would like to thank the Chicago Land
Rover Club members for turning out with close to fifty outstanding
Land-Rovers for display and assisting during the day to make the eleventh
annual Festival on September 7, 1997, one our biggest and most attended 
British car shows. We had 880 British cars/motorcycles registered for the
day event and I believe the results  will continue to make the Chicago
Festival the largest in the USA. Besides the record number of vehicles on
display, we estimate about 5000 spectators came to view the show.  The
vendors provided door prizes including two pair of round trip tickets to
England from British Airways.  The weather was perfect!

The results of the popularity voting and other details will be tabulated
and displayed on the BCU Web page <http://www.qth.com/bcu>  The Web page
will also provide details of the 1998 Festival as plans are formulated
during the next year. 

Bill Kowalski
'67 Land-Rover IIA 109"
'63 Austin-Healey BJ-7
'53 RR Bentley "R" 

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Dual battery system  & SAS LR
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:26:46 +1000

I have redone the dual battery controller page.  Thinking about it, there
was no need for the reduced scale images of the pages.  It now loads MUCH
quicker.  It was timing out for some people.

check http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/rover/battery.html

BTW, have you seen the pix of the Australian Special Air Services Series
Landies from 1978 I put up last night.  check
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/rover/ser_misc.html

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:50:47 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: WWW Page

Hi all, just a quick note to let you know I've updated my WWW-page to
include some pics from the recent 'Weston Park International 4x4 & Military
Vehicle Show' - There was a pink panther there, anyone care to comment on
it's authenticity (I'm no expert).

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************

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From: JSmallals@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: subscribe

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:18:53 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Seeking Mark Perry

owner-lro-digest@playground.sun.com wrote:
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Hi Mark
I lost your e-mail address when the list went down.  Do you still have
the deluxe bonnet for sale?
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon,  8 Sep 97 10:07:45    
From: Steve Mace <steve@solwise.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: oil filters (again) 

--- On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:24:50 -0400  KMCO <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET> wrote:

>I apologize for bringing this up again, but, a couple of weeks ago, during
>a lengthy discussion on the relative merits of the old cartridge filters
>vs. a "spin on", several people mentioned the name of  a Canadian company
>that manufactures the spin on adapters.   I believe that a representative
>of this co. was at the Atlantic British Meet.  Anyway, I've lost the name
>and location of the company, can anyone help me out?  Thanks

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>           IIa      109"  SW  ( Long Term Proj )
>           IIa       88"    SW  ( Very Long Term Proj )

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Purchased one in 1994 for =A322 inc. shipping to UK!

Chap called Paul Socholotiuk

451 Adelaide St. West
Toronto, Ontario,
Canada, M5V-1T1

Fax: +416 3668094

Never had any problems with it...

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Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.demon.co.uk
www: http://www.demon.co.uk/solwise/
Tel: +44 1482 473899
Fax: +44 1482 472245
Date: 08/09/97
Time: 10:07:46

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Subject: Re: New Land Rover 98
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 22:08:46 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Anybody who has more information on the new longer Discovery coming in
>-98 ?
>I read about in a swedish motor magazine just recently. Obviously it=A5s a
>longer model,
>also with many interior changes.
>Are there any pictures?
>...Jan

I saw details of this new model in a car magazine earlier in the year =
but I cannot remember where (sorry)

apparently they have lengthened the body a little to accommodate =
forward facing third row seats - there is new legislation coming into =
effect in UK and US outlawing side facing rear seats. I think the UK =
law only applies to carrying children, such as taking them to school =
events etc. The defender will still have side facing seats but =
obviously the vehicle will no longer be able to be used for this =
purpose, it's all a bit 'grey' at the moment.

simon w-h

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Subject: V8 now started
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 22:08:50 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

thanks for the replies to my question about V8 not starting.

I changed the Balast resistor and also the ignition switch, which was 
cracked and could have broken the connection intermittently.

20 quid in all - not bad, but I had spent about three hours previous to 
that trying to find a fault before giving in and asking your advice

Many thanks

Simon wh

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:17:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 2.6 to 3.0 liter conversion

A B30B?

Please do tell - I have a dead Volvo 164 with a good engine that might be a
donor...

                    aj"Just for curiosity, of course..."r

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Subject: Re: GPS rec
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 01:08:42 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@openmarket.com>

	I also have a GPS II+, (the II is an earlier model with a single 
channel receiver (it listens to one satellite at a time, serially), the 
current models use 12 channel parallel recievers that listen to all the
birds at the same time, and thus respond position changes and in general
are much better at tracking birds when the unit is in motion.

	I've used mine with US lat/long data and UK national grid data,
and compared it side-by-side in the UK with the previous generation
single channel (garmin 45) unit, and am quite happy with it. I also
bought a PC cable for it, made an adapter for my Mac, and have downloaded
both waypoint and route data, etc.

	I'm quite happy with it.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:51:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The 1st ever Mendo-Recce Sonoma Co. Wine Tasting ...

For Scott,

Count Brigid and myself in ! We'll probably be in 'Queenie' unless some other
attendees need a lift, then we could bring 'Tipper' (109) instead. Sounds
like a great outing even if we won't get muddy.

Eric.

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:45:20 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SIII Diesel dist pump timing
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I have just removed the dist. pump drive cog which engages with a worm
gear to the camshaft (I had to remove a broken brass tappet guide from
the cam chamber)

Does anyone know the trick for refitting this cog so that 1. The dist.
pump timing will be right (drive key at 20 degrees to hrizontal axcis)
and 2. the drive gog also engages with the oil pump drive shaft (sump is
not removed) 3. fixing grub screw under oil filer mount face engages
with drive gog bearing sleeve.

Getting all three to lione up right seems almost impossible - any wise
tips out there?

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: RE: SIII Diesel dist pump timing
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:48:37 -0600

I guess this is the same proceedure as for the petrol. Been there, and
eventually, done that. The job took four hours and was finally solved by
dropping the oil pan and removing the oil pump drive shaft. This then
allowed the worm gear and the grub screw to be lined up correctly. After
hours of trying I can definately say this was the easiest way. Unless
someone else has some other ideas.......

-Brian Tuffs
'66 SWB "Blue"
>'84 TLC BJ60 "Toyah"
>Does anyone know the trick for refitting this cog so that 1. The dist.
>pump timing will be right (drive key at 20 degrees to hrizontal axcis)
>and 2. the drive gog also engages with the oil pump drive shaft (sump is
>not removed) 3. fixing grub screw under oil filer mount face engages
>with drive gog bearing sleeve.

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 22:04:57 -0500
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: WARNING!

WARNING!
	This month's Hemmings Motor News has a Land Rover advertisement 
by Klopping Competion.  This "business" was renamed from the infamous 
RoverWorks.  Beware!  They owe several victims over $200,000.00
	Call or write for more details.

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 22:17:28 -0500
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: BEWARE!

Just a note to let you know the the infamous "RoverWorks" of NY is still 
in "business" under a new name....."Klopping Competition".  This 
establishment owes several individuals over $200,000.00   Past victims 
should register their complaints to Hemmings Motor News asap.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:35:53 -0500
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: BEWARE!

Just a note to warn all that the infamous "RoverWorks" of Hyde Park NY 
is still in "business" under a new name...."Klopping Competition".  This 
front is still under the "management" of the Klopping brothers and they 
are advertising in Hemmings Motor News [HMN].  Past victims should 
notify HMN and register a complaint. 
	Paul Hanson
	Another victim of "RoverWorks"

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From: magnet@inforamp.net
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: wanted engine

On 1997-09-04 lro@playground.sun.com said to magnet@inforamp.net
   >I am looking for a Rover P5 and/or motor (straight six 3.0) to
   >replace a 2.6 on a 109 NAS.  The 109 motor has a hole in the block
   >from an offending rod.  Please email me direct with any suitable
   >items or leads. Thanks in advance.
   >JIm Pendleton
   >So many vehicles, so little time

Jim,

I have a P5 engine, yours for $250 (US).  Located near Toronto, Ontario.
Let me know if you're interested!

Cheers,
Bill Daddis

Steam Powered Computers (Canada) Ltd.
"Yesterday's Technology for Tomorrow"

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: Bodywork, Hammers and Dollies

Hi all, this never seemed to make it:
---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Bodywork, Hammers and Dollies
Date:    97-09-07 09:05:54 EDT
From:    NADdMD

Hi all,

I recently received as a gift, a set of bodywork hammers and dollies.  I have
used the flat hammer and dollie but I'm not quite sure about the proper use
of the other items.
In particular,
1.  There is a sort of half disc dollie called a shrinking dollie.  Which
surface is used and what is the proper technique with it?

2. What does one do with a "reverse curve hammer"?

3. Whats the purpose of the double ended dollie?  It doesn't seem to offer
much over the standard dollie.

Any info on these items is appreciated.

Thanks
Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bodywork, Hammers and Dollies

Hi all,

I recently received as a gift, a set of bodywork hammers and dollies.  I have
used the flat hammer and dollie but I'm not quite sure about the proper use
of the other items.
In particular,
1.  There is a sort of half disc dollie called a shrinking dollie.  Which
surface is used and what is the proper technique with it?

2. What does one do with a "reverse curve hammer"?

3. Whats the purpose of the double ended dollie?  It doesn't seem to offer
much over the standard dollie.

Any info on these items is appreciated.

Thanks
Nate

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:03:24 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

Didn't get this so I'm re posting, sorry if it hits you twice...

Dear Friends;

I'm coming out of denial.  My engine is burning 2-3 quarts of 20W-50
every 1000 miles, and I can't stand polluting my neighborhood any
longer, cough, cough!  My plan is to have my mechanic:

do a compression and leak down test to try and find out which parts are
giving me the most trouble, and see what work I can do to keep costs
down

Additionally, I'm not sure if my head has been converted to run the 93
octane unleaded that it's been guzzling low these seven blissful years. 
So, I was thinking if the head hasn't been converted I'll look in to
overhauling it, buying a reconditioned head, or if the engine needs lots
of work too.  Dare I say a Turner engine, no chance...

The rig is a SWB SIII mostly original.  I'm looking at doing a cost
benefit analysis with the knowledge that I suffer from shipfitter's
disease!  Any help, comments (positive or negative) are greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Herman Stude
Houston, Texas
1973 88 SIII no top (mine)
1964 109 SIIA no top hi-cap pickup, 11 seater (Dad's)
 

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Herman L. Stude wrote:

> I'm coming out of denial.  My engine is burning 2-3 quarts of 20W-50
> every 1000 miles, and I can't stand polluting my neighborhood any
> longer, cough, cough!  My plan is to have my mechanic:

	*Thousand* miles!?  Wow!  I threw together a new engine when it
was down to a quart every 75 miles or so.  Do a compression test.  fast
and easy.  Sure it isn't the front or rear seals?

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:27:40 +0200
From: Jody Scharrenborg <jody@cyberlab.nl>
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

>I'm coming out of denial.  My engine is burning 2-3 quarts of 20W-50
>every 1000 miles, and I can't stand polluting my neighborhood any
>longer, cough, cough!

I have to fill up a liter every 100 km, and my compression is perfect.
Leaks a little, but most of the oil I'm losing trough my oil-scrapers (they
are probably very worn).
( I wonder when some neighbour put's up a no-smoking sign in our street :-)

Good luck,
Jody
1955 SWB 2.25 Petrol

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:21:04 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

>         *Thousand* miles!?  Wow!  I threw together a new engine when it
> was down to a quart every 75 miles or so.  Do a compression test.  fast
> and easy.  Sure it isn't the front or rear seals?

They look O.K. the oil in the garage is under the t-case/overdrive area,
and the swivels!!!
 

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

Oil drinking:

Speaking as one who'd be happy with that consumption (bad valve guides),
I'd suggest that a set of valve seals is probably a good bet here if the
engine's not smoking. Typically, Mystery disappearing oil usually goes down
the guides.....

If it's smoking, then you're probably looking at a new set of rings - an
easy fix. I'd do the valve seals while the head is off, too...

These engines are oil pigs, though.

As an amusing aside, a friend of mine has a NEW Trooper that sucks down a
quart every 900-1K miles - and this is 'normal" consumption for the useless
piece of trash...

               aj"and they wonder why I don't buy a new car..."r

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:20:26 +1000
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: Dual battery system  & SAS LR

>BTW, have you seen the pix of the Australian Special Air Services Series
>Landies from 1978 I put up last night.  check
>http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/rover/ser_misc.html

It looks as though they've used a series II, rather than a Perentie (for
non-Australians, a modified 110) for this?

BTW, the "splayed tubes" that you refer to are smoke grenade launchers.

	paul

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:28:50 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking (octane)

Herman L. Stude wrote:

> Additionally, I'm not sure if my head has been converted to run the 93
> octane unleaded that it's been guzzling low these seven blissful
> years.
> So, I was thinking if the head hasn't been converted I'll look in to
> overhauling it, buying a reconditioned head, or if the engine needs
> lots
> of work too.  Dare I say a Turner engine, no chance...

What is the reason for running 93 octane? Using higher octane gasoline
than is needed to prevent pre-ignition (knocking) provides no benefits.
Series LRs should run fine on US 87 octane regular unless the ignition
timing is advanced too far or there are major deposits in the cylinder
head.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: slade@imagina.com (Michael Slade)
Subject: Re: BEWARE!
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:02:37 -0900

>Just a note to let you know the the infamous "RoverWorks" of NY is still
>in "business" under a new name....."Klopping Competition".  This
>establishment owes several individuals over $200,000.00   Past victims
>should register their complaints to Hemmings Motor News asap.

Paul,

Do you have any contact information for Hemmings?  I'll be the first to call.

.....Still waiting for my truck (but not holding my breath).....

Later,

Michael Slade
'90 RR
Portland, OR

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Revolting situation

Spent the weekend swaping out the steering box in the 88.  After 200,000 
miles, the original had a bit too much play - like about 30 degrees :-0 !
Anyway, apart from losing a half pint of blood, all went smoothly.  This PM, 
I fimished the job and jumped in for a test drive.  Click went the solenoid. 
 Now the battery is low, reading 11.68 v at the posts and 11.48 at the dash 
plug.  Shouldn't that spin the starter?   That I'm getting 11.48 to the dash 
means that the battery to solenoid to ignition contacts are realtively 
clean.  That the solenoid is merely clicking (only one year old) removes the 
starter from the equation.  Is there a "threshold" for solenoids (and it is 
"genuine")?

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: By the numbers

This one is going back a few years:  Does anyone know remember how many 
Rovers attended the Harrell's rally in the Smokies back in 1970 or '71?  For 
those who came in late, Harrell's was one of the largest US dealers (in 
terms of unit sales), situated in Waynesville, NC, not far from Asheville.  
Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Paint colors

John Hess wrote:

>Does anyone have a paint code for the light bluish green of the engine
>block?

The best match I've found is "Detroit Diesel Alpine Green" engine enamel 
made by Tempo - #225.  Mind you there are two "alpine greens", one is a
tad too blue.  Use the #225.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:01:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Speaking of Harrell's, was By the numbers

Does anyone have Harrell's number? I need to call them before I go by on
vacation next week.'
TIA
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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From: Rob Dennis <RobD@UnitedParking.com>
Subject: RE: Speaking of Harrell's, was By the numbers
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:09:11 -0400

John here is the number,
 Harrell's Motor Sales:  (704) 456-8603

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    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     RobD@UnitedParking.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1996 Discovery
  [_______________________]     1963 MB Unimog 404.1
     EEEI           EEEI

-----Original Message-----
From:	Solihull@aol.com [SMTP:Solihull@aol.com]
Sent:	Monday, September 08, 1997 8:02 PM
To:	lro@playground.sun.com
Subject:	Speaking of Harrell's, was By the numbers

Does anyone have Harrell's number? I need to call them before I go by on
vacation next week.'
TIA
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:23:14 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: desubscription problems

To anyone having probelms unsubscribing from the digest.  I too had the 
problem when I sent the 

unsubscribe lro-digest <my address> 

it returned with an <my address> is not subscribed message.  I tried this 
several times and was getting pretty peeved as I am going away for 2 
weeks and wanted to stop the *(&^%&(() digest from clogging my mailer.

duhhhhhhh....

I then tried the simple

unsubscribe lro-digest

without any name or address after it.

Bingo it worked (and yes, my address is right dammit, I took it from the 
original message the Major sent me!)

Clinton

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Plastic fuel tanks

In a message dated 9/4/97 11:53:24 PM, Adrian Redmond wrote:

>Every time i embark on renovating a SIII fuel tank, I can't help
>wondering if anyone is making an aftermarket PLASTIC tank for the SIII's
>- today all agricultural vehicles seem to have these and they seem very
>hard and durable
[yadda,yadda,yadda....]
>So why not tanks - every other manufacturer seems to be going this
>route?

   My '88 VW Golf has had a plastic fuel tank since new, no rust, no leaks,
no farm use. I would guess that the reason for these being unavailable for
Land-Rovers is 1) tooling costs run in the tens of thousands of dollars for
a mold this size. How many would have to be sold to make the investment
worthwhile?
2) Land-Rover drivers don't baby their vehicles, and it is tough to attach a
skid plate to an ABS fuel tank. The consequences of a catastrophic fuel leak
from a split tank are too much of a risk for most manufacturers to accept.
If the tank were in a more protected area, the idea might work. 
   A tank I built several years ago was made from 1/8" sheet steel, with
formed angles at each end. No bottom plate to catch rust, the tank was it's
own skid plate. The steel was thick enough to tap for screw threads for the
sending unit to be fastened. Slosh sealed it with sealant from Peter Hirsch
(Hemmings) and the present owner has no complaints. Any Competent
welder/fabricator could do the same job for about the same cost as a new
repro tank from your favorite LR supplier. 
              Just another opinion,     
                                                Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:23:34 -0500
From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: Re: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours

Greetings!
> Just a note to warn all that the infamous "RoverWorks" of Hyde Park NY
> is still in "business" under a new name...."Klopping Competition".  This
> front is still under the "management" of the Klopping brothers and they
> are advertising in Hemmings Motor News [HMN].  Past victims should
> notify HMN and register a complaint.
>         Paul Hanson
>         Another victim of "RoverWorks"

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:06:00 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Revolting situation

At 07:11 PM 9/8/97 -0400, Alexander P. Grice wrote:
:Spent the weekend swaping out the steering box in the 88.  After 200,000 
:miles, the original had a bit too much play - like about 30 degrees :-0 !
:Anyway, apart from losing a half pint of blood, all went smoothly.  This PM, 
:I fimished the job and jumped in for a test drive.  Click went the solenoid. 
: Now the battery is low, reading 11.68 v at the posts and 11.48 at the dash 
:plug.  Shouldn't that spin the starter?   That I'm getting 11.48 to the dash 
:means that the battery to solenoid to ignition contacts are realtively 
:clean.  That the solenoid is merely clicking (only one year old) removes the 
:starter from the equation.  Is there a "threshold" for solenoids (and it is 
:"genuine")?

 One of your cells in the battery is shot.  You should have about 13.5
 volts and are missing about 2 volts, ie one cell.  Try another battery.   

 Regards,

 Michael Carradine     ___,_\__                      www.crl.com/~cs/rover
 Architect             [_______]           50-80, 72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)_.(o)__..o^^  POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:13:48 +0300 (EET)
From: Mikko Kalevi Lehmusto <mlehmust@hit.fi>
Subject: Fuel tanks

Hello guys!

A few years ago I got extremely fed up with the continuous dripping and
smell of diesel around my SIII 88". I took off the tank and put in a 10
litres plastic can as a temporary substitute. I srewed the fuel pipes
directly to the can, and took the passenger seat off to fill it. (I ran
out of fuel two times during that experiment...)
Then I fabricated parts for a new tank from 3mm aluminium plate, which I
had lying around (an old road-sign, I must confess...). I also made the
filler and breather pipes from aluminium pipe, which I got from a friend
of mine. Took about one weekend.
As I didn=B4t have access to any Al -welding machinery then, I took the
whole pile of parts to a guy living nearby, who does all kinds
of welding in his shop. He put them together using TIG.
The new tank went back on very easily and worked wonders.
The whole thing didn't cost much and will probably last "forever".

Mikko Lehmusto
SIII 109" Diesel (will run next summer)
mlehmust@hit.fi

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

In a message dated 97-09-08 18:18:34 EDT, you write:

<< As an amusing aside, a friend of mine has a NEW Trooper that sucks down a
 quart every 900-1K miles - and this is 'normal" consumption for the useless
 piece of trash.. >>

My '86 Trooper, the Millenium Falcon,  w/ only 170K miles resents your
remarks.  It feels it is not quite yet a piece of trash.  While no challenge
to Lurch, the 1966 S2a 88 SW, the Trooper has been a valiant steed and shows
promise of many more miles/years.  We pity those people who seem to want to
run out every 30 years or so and buy a new car.

Ed Bailey

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:52:00 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Subject: Re:  GPS recommendations (longer than usual)

On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, David Russell wrote:

>       No Averaging  (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
>       No Beeper
>       No Proximity Waypoints (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
>       No FOM Display  (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)

My GII+ with 2.04 software (been out a couple of months now) has both
averaging and FOM display. Se newsgoup sci.geo.satellite-nav.
Might as well be called rec.navigation.garmin or alt.garmin.12xl instead
:-)

Terje Krogdahl
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol
www.land.rover.no

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 04:54:49 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: New Land Rover 98

> apparently they have lengthened the body a little to accommodate
> forward facing third row seats - there is new legislation coming into
> effect in UK and US outlawing side facing rear seats.

I'm not aware of any new legislation in the US which outlaws rear side
facing seats directly. Side impact standards may be more difficult to
meet with side facing seats. Does anyone have more specific information?

My guess is that LR has found customers prefer a conventional third
seat. I don't think the jump seats have ever been popular in the US.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:12:10 +0200
Subject: Newsletter

Hi all

The september issue of the newsletter now online at;

http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/landrover/newsletter/

Enjoy

Jean
___________________________________________________
Jean Andre Gruneberg

PRO  LROCSA / KZN
club web site http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/landrover/
personal web  http://users.iafrica.com/g/gr/grunberg/
mailto:grunberg@iafrica.com

1984 110 V8 s/w [#28 off the line]
'The one with the serene glazed look of the hopelessly clueless in his eyes'

Every normal person must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the
 black flag, and begin slitting throats.  H. L. Mencken

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:31:55 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Quanity of Waxoyl required?

How much waxoyl is required to do an 88"?  thanks

David

--------
David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu

yip yip yip yap yap yak yap yip *BANG*  -- no terrier

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:48:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine 2.25 oil drinking

In a message dated 97-09-08 18:18:34 EDT, you write:
<< As an amusing aside, a friend of mine has a NEW Trooper that sucks down
a
 quart every 900-1K miles - and this is 'normal" consumption for the
useless
 piece of trash.. >>
And Ed replies:
<< As an amusing aside, a friend of mine has a NEW Trooper that sucks down
My '86 Trooper, the Millenium Falcon,  w/ only 170K miles resents your
remarks.  It feels it is not quite yet a piece of trash.  While no
challenge
to Lurch, the 1966 S2a 88 SW, the Trooper has been a valiant steed and
shows
promise of many more miles/years.  We pity those people who seem to want to
run out every 30 years or so and buy a new car.
Ed Bailey
<< As an amusing aside, a friend of mine has a NEW Trooper that sucks down

Ed, were it just oil consumption I'd agree. however, this bloated land
yacht isn't a patch on the early Trooper.

It makes the Mercury Mountaineer look good...... waddling ride, miserable
gas mileage, pinging engine (which is SUPPOSED to do this...yah, right).

Yack.

An early Trooper is a tank - a friend of mine had one with a Diesel in it
I'd have bought in a heartbeat.

                    ajr

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