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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Dual Battery System
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:37:53 +1000

There has been a bit of interest in the Electronics Australia Smart Dual
12v Battery Controller kit article so I have scanned the article and put it
onto my web pages at:

http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/rover/battery.html

You'll find eleven pages to download each of about 80kb and totalling about
819Kb.  Sorry about the size but I don't have time to scan and OCR it into
a text file then to separate all the pix out etc.

Just click on each thumbnail to display it in larger size for viewing and
saving to your local PC.  
The images are at 75 dpi so they are optimised for screen presentation
rather than printing.

I'll leave the article up for about a week before deleting it.  I *don't*
have permission from Electronics Australia to reproduce it.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  RE: GPS recommendations 

In a message dated 9/5/97 3:01:30 AM, you wrote:

>Some GPS give coordinates in a variety of systems including UTM, State
>Plane, and even Thomas Guide coordinates ( Thomas guide is a map book
>published for cities across North America ).

Hmmm... Thomas Guide Coordinates? "You are (somewhere) in square F-7"
I wonder if they also give out Bruce Guide coordinates? (Bruce Guide is a map
book published to help find nearest source of beer in Australian cities) 

pat
93  110

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:57:24 -0500
From: blainh@accent.net (Blain Hughes)
Subject: Rusty Gas Tanks

Instead of using the expensive sloshing compound, I have found that a half
litre of ABS cement does the job at a fraction of the cost. Just make sure
that the tank is clean.
Cheers
Blain

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: lla paint colors..help
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:36:11 +0000

Anyone know what colors were available for the lla ?
   I will be doing a respray of my '68 next week and have been thinking of
changing the color from its origional Limestone to 
pastel green, however I do not think pastel green was available until the
series lll was introduced, neither does Dixon who is checking some old sales
literature
I was also thinking of doing it in Conniston Green which may be a bit closer
to 'correct'
any thoughts/comments??
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 8:47:56 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: GPS

>You could navigate across the U.S. with a person in the passenger seat 
under a hood >telling you where to turn.  

Who needs a GPS if you have a wife doing this for you already. Just 
kidding Miss Bear!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:05:52 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: lla paint colors..help

>pastel green, however I do not think pastel green was available until the
>series lll was introduced, neither does Dixon who is checking some old sales
>literature
Not sure about export jobbies,but.....There is a light green 109SW in
this area,1970 model S11A,original as far as I know.Wave at each other
on a daily basis.I could be wrong but I reckon the colours were
Bronze Green (The working colour)
Light Green
Marine blue
Light Grey
Dark Grey
Sand
Red(ugh)for export only.
Mike Rooth

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:   The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>"I am looking for a Rover P5 and/or motor (straight six 3.0) to replace a
2.6 on a 109 NAS."

   The rods on that might be too spindly, but there's one in the barn here
that might be of service. If you or anyone is going to Stowe, stop by and
have a look. There's also a '68 88" that anyone can have anything (Alan
Richer has first claim) from, just give me what you will for it. If you find
a P5 and just salvage the motor, please advise as to the future of the
rest...
jim
jdolan2109@aol.com
Liliesville, Vt. 

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 08:15:49 EST
Subject: Re: volvo overdrive on ser III

I have a 1973 ser III '88 with no overdrive and a scrap 1983 Volvo
turbo with a good overdrive.  I was going through some old lro e-mails
last weekend and read several that mentioned use of overdrives from
other vehicles with a shortened prop shaft.  

Has anyone tried this before?  If so, will I need an adapter plate for
the Volvo OD?  What length will the prop shaft have to be?

If the '83 Volvo OD is the anywhere near the same as the ones on the old 
m41 tranny's then it probably wont work. the transmission has a longer 
mainshaft that extends into the OD. In other words, even though they are 
seperate casings, you can't just unbolt the overdrive and put it on a stock 
transmission. You have to get the whole unit. It may be possible with the 
later type but somehow i just doubt it, at least without doing some machine 
work. plus you can't put it in the driveshaft unless you have one on the 
front as well. The LR OD is between the gearbox and the transfer box, well, 
mechanically anyway.

Cheers
Dave

btw where are you located, I could maybe use the Volvo drivetrain in my 
122...

 

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:53:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Rusty Gas Tanks

Blaine wrote,

Instead of using the expensive sloshing compound, I have found that a 
half litre of ABS cement does the job at a fraction of the cost. Just 
make sure that the tank is clean.

Pease, tell me , what IS ABS cement??

Regards,

Huub Pennings

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From: "Zeigler, Christopher L." <zeiglecl@Maritz.com>
Subject: What is this thing on my transfer case?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:47:36 -0500

While rebuilding my transfer case, I have come across a strange
component that I am having trouble identifying.  I can't find it in my
factory
shop manual, nor does the guy I spoke with at Rovers North know what it
is.
This object is mounted on one of the top transfer case covers.  It is on
the
cover over the output shaft, or on the right when facing the front of
the truck.  This thing is fixed on the cover with four bolts and some
sort of bracket that holds it parallel to the top of the transfer case.
The thing is cylindrical shaped with a scalloped edge on one end.  There
is also a small threaded rod sticking straight out of the top of it.  I
have a feeling that a piece of it may be missing or is broken off.  On
it there is the inscription "POLLAK PAT PEND."

top of bracket -->  |  O  | | <--- threaded rod
                          -------------|
                          -------------| <---- scalloped edge
                          _|____|__
                          transfer case

My question is obviously, what is this thing?  I am also interested in
its purpose. Why did someone put this on?  It does not seem to be doing
any harm, but is there any reason to keep it?
Thanks to everyone who helped me by suggesting methods for removing my
overdrive, turning the crank works like a charm.

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From: "Zeigler, Christopher L." <zeiglecl@Maritz.com>
Subject: What is this thing on my transfer case?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:58:55 -0500

While rebuilding my transfer case, I have come across a strange
component that I am having trouble identifying.  I can't find it in my
factory
shop manual, nor does the guy I spoke with at Rovers North know what it
is.
This object is mounted on one of the top transfer case covers.  It is on
the
cover over the output shaft, or on the right when facing the front of
the truck.  This thing is fixed on the cover with four bolts and some
sort of bracket that holds it parallel to the top of the transfer case.
The thing is cylindrical shaped with a scalloped edge on one end.  There
is also a small threaded rod sticking straight out of the top of it.  I
have a feeling that a piece of it may be missing or is broken off.  On
it there is the inscription "POLLAK PAT PEND."

top of bracket -->  |  O  | | <--- threaded rod
                          -------------|
                          -------------| <---- scalloped edge
                          _|____|__
                          transfer case

My question is obviously, what is this thing?  I am also interested in
its purpose. Why did someone put this on?  It does not seem to be doing
any harm, but is there any reason to keep it?
Thanks to everyone who helped me by suggesting methods for removing my
overdrive, turning the crank works like a charm.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:09:06 -0400
Subject: Re: lla paint colors..help

Re: Pastel green:

it was most definitely available on Series IIas - both Mr. Churchill (my 64
109) and Trevor (the 67 88) were originally pastel green.

I've also seen trade-film footage of Rover's introduction of the Series II
that showed a pastel-green 109...they were bragging about the external door
handles on it...8*)

                    ajr

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: wanted motor

Contact these guys:

Flying Circus English Cars, Durham NC
(919) 596-4250

ask for Alan Briggs and please tell him Alex sent you. He is the Rover Saloon
man.

Take Care,
Alex Maiolo
69 IIa
89 RR

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Gas tank repairs

In a message dated 97-09-05 04:47:08 EDT, you write:

<< Right now, I am experimenting with the low temperature welding rods for
 aluminum that you heat with propane. Anyone tried them?
  >>

Hi Ned,

Yes I have tried them.  You're better off with MAPP gas.  It is hotter and
will give you more leeway for inexperience.

Nate

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:46:17 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: lla paint colors..help

At 10:09 AM 9/5/97 -0400, Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
:Re: Pastel green:
:
:it was most definitely available on Series IIas - both Mr. Churchill (my 64
:109) and Trevor (the 67 88) were originally pastel green.
:
:I've also seen trade-film footage of Rover's introduction of the Series II
:that showed a pastel-green 109...they were bragging about the external door
:handles on it...8*)

 The first production 1948 Land Rover, Serial Number 00001,
 now at the Dunsfold Museum, is Pastel Green.

-Michael

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Pastel Green or not...

MichaelC said:

> The first production 1948 Land Rover, Serial Number 00001,
> now at the Dunsfold Museum, is Pastel Green.

I don't think the light green used on the early Series Is was the same color
as the Pastel Green used on Series II, IIA, & III models.  I'm not aware of
the use of Pastel Green on any Series I examples.  I parted out a 1958
Series II 88 which had the original paint and it was definitely Pastel
Green.  The light green I've seen in photos of early Series Is (before they
were all Bronze Green) looks to me to be quite a different shade from Pastel
Green.  Less grey in its mix or something...

Granny

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:22:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re: lla paint colors..help

Hi Steve...

   My 63 109 pick-up came from the factory in Lt. Green, just wondering if
this is the same color as the Pastel green you are looking for.

Keith
1961 SII 88

>Anyone know what colors were available for the lla ?
>   I will be doing a respray of my '68 next week and have been thinking of
>changing the color from its origional Limestone to 
>pastel green, however I do not think pastel green was available until the
>series lll was introduced, neither does Dixon who is checking some old sales
>literature

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>WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
>                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:52:49 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: 3.0 motor for a 2.6

Forget it. Bill MacDonald tried this method and failed because there's 
just too much stuff that won't fit. Heads, intake manifold, carb, water 
pump, front cover, alternator, bell housing, flywheel, starter are all 
different. 3.0 is too tall to fit right in. Concentrate on a 2.6. I have 
seen them on various lists recently. Prepare to pay dearly.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Vacuum Advance
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:28:04 -0700

Hi Neil, 

I only received one other reply to my question and that confirmed that
the pipe from the distributor diaphragm does go to the base of the Solex
carburettor.

The purpose of the vacuum advance is to adjust the spark timing with
respect to how much the throttle is open.  This will help a little on
the economy side but more importantly, it will help prevent pre-ignition
of the fuel/air mixture (pinging) which can cause severe engine damage
if given enough time.

Paul Quin

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Neil Sheridan [SMTP:neil_seg@ix.netcom.com]
>Sent:	Thursday, September 04, 1997 9:29 PM
>To:	Paul Quin
>Subject:	Vacuum Advance
>Paul,
>I have exactly the same situation with my 65 88.  Somewhere I read that its
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Thanks,
>Neil Sheridan

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Subject: Re:  GPS recommendations (longer than usual)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 97 14:46:44 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

On 9/5/97 06:56 Spencer K. C. Norcross wrote: 

>i cant remember what made me purchase the 12XL over the II+, they were
>the same price, but the 12XL had a feature that the II+ didnt

I have been trying to determine these differences as well and so far can 
only determine from another e-mail that

 G-12xl Vs. G-II+ FEATURES:

   G-II+ features removed from 12XL features:

      No Averaging  (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      No Beeper
      No Proximity Waypoints (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      No FOM Display  (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)

Where FOM means FIGURE OF MERIT. 
It is a relative indication as to how good your fix is and how accurate
it is likely to be.  It is NOT a measurement,  but an ESTIMATE. (This 
also came to me from someone else)

   G-II+ features that the 12XL doesn't have:

      Waypoint symbols (16 selectable) (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      500 WPT
      Delete WPT by symbol (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)(Useful for Trackback 
deletion)
      Average Speed (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      Maximum Speed (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      Trip Time (G-12XL ver 3.02 has)
      Zoom Keys
      Flashing track log display at scales of 5 
        (maybe of 2 or less)

   Submitted by Guido Lenz
---

Bottom line, it seems that the II+ has more to offer but will not audibly 
alert you when you are getting close to a waypoint and both are equally 
accurate.

HTH

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 SIIA SWB (Pastel Green, 4-speed)
1997 SD (Oxford Blue, 5-speed)
1977 FJ40 (rust, 8-speed (hopefully still))

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From: "Broward Orthopaedic Specialists" <BOS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Winch for D90
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:44:27 -0400

Steve,

How much?

What condition is the winch in?

VERY interested!

e-mail at bos@bellsouth.net

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> From: Stephen C. Gross P0964 <scgross@ibm.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Winch for D90
> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 2:31 PM
> I have a Warn M8000 w/mounting hardware (original equipment delivered

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> I have a Warn M8000 w/mounting hardware (original equipment delivered
> on my D90) for sale. I just installed an ARB bumper and will be updating
my
> winch to the larger M10000.
> -steve
> Subject: Winch for D90
> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 2:31 PM

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Yellow Series in Arizona

Several folks dropping by our yard-sale commented on my old Landrover and
some wanted to buy it (no sale item).  One fellow from Arizona had driven
old yellow colored series rigs for a boys reform school or something.  He
said the State purchased them because the American rigs were not up to
"snuff".  He just hung around the Rover dreaming of the old days (late 50`s
to early 60`s) I heard him mention 1961.  He also said that some were
purchased in red.
John Cooper 1969 11a

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:56:12
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Fuel tanks

With all the traffic about fuel tanks I must share this with you-all.  know
of several owners that had leaking tanks that couldn't be repaired with
sealer. They took the tanks to welding shops that also do metal
fabricating(sp?). After the tank has been cooked at the rad. shop they will
work on it. They take it apart and use the bottom section as a template and
make the tank. They cut out the fill pipe, etc and weld these and the skid
plate back on. If you mention it they will let you paint the tank wth you
own choice of paints etc. Then coat the inside and you're on you're way.
One additional nice feature is that you can choose the metal and the
thickness of that metal ie monel, if you have the price. One of these tanks
is now 22yrs old no leaks no worries.

Jim Wolf

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:00:58 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Starter Woes

[I've already posted this to the Left-Coast list, so if you're on that
list, too, please accept my apologies].

I'm at my wits end (it's not a very long trip, after all).  I now have
three starters (original, BP rebuild, and replacement for same) that
behave in exactly the same manner.

When I hook them up to a battery charger, the spindle spins, as does the
pinion gear, but the pinion gear does not move along the spindle (as I
think it should).  When installed, all three of these starters make
roughly the same noise as they make when lying on my carport floor
attached to the battery charger (for the newer starters, it's just your
basic electric motor noise, for the older starter, it's rougher). 
Although they make noise, they are simply not starting my car.  

So, does anyone know what it is that I could be doing wrong?   I feel
pretty lame, as there are very few auto repairs that are simpler than
replacing a starter motor.

C

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:16:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: lla paint colors..help

My 1966 2A 88 SW appears to have always been limestone over pastel green.
 This is judging from interior panels and under the bonnet stuff.  I'm pretty
sure this was the original color.

Ed Bailey

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:32:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Starter Woes

Starter spins but doesn't start the car:

Simple - clean the shaft.

The gear gets flung forward by the momentum of a quick snap from the
starter motor - if there's grease or any other stuff on the shaft this does
NOT happen.

Clean it up - and test against a charged battery - the battery charger
isn't delivering enough amps to give it a proper spin.....

               ajr

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:58:48 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Starter Woes

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> The gear gets flung forward by the momentum of a quick snap from the
> starter motor - if there's grease or any other stuff on the shaft this does
> NOT happen.
> Clean it up - and test against a charged battery - the battery charger
> isn't delivering enough amps to give it a proper spin.....
>                ajr

Thanks.  I'll do it.

C

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:12:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: P-5 engine

J. W. Pendleton is looking for a 3.0 litre.  Robert Davis has several of 
those.  Contact him at 757-421-3504.  (I tried to post to you direct, but 
messages keep getting bounced) Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
      |                                                    |
      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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