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1 Ian Harper/Donna-Claire 38Distributors
2 Iwan Vosloo ["Iwan Voslo14Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
3 Iwan Vosloo [ivosloo@cs.29Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
4 Iwan Vosloo ["Iwan Voslo38Series 3 gearbox mystery
5 Adrian Redmond [channel650Re: Series 3 gearbox mystery
6 lopezba@atnet.at 33Re: Priming & Painting Galvanised Frames
7 lopezba@atnet.at 29Re: Axle Seals help......
8 lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WI17Painting Frames, Cont'd
9 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world10Archives
10 Richard Maynard [101723.18Parabolic Springs
11 Richard Maynard [101723.32Gearbox problems
12 Adrian Redmond [channel651Re: Gearbox problems
13 "Christopher A. Glaves" 25Hello DC/VA/MD Rover owners
14 g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)18LRs on streets in old European cirties and sightings in Spain
15 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u30Re: Re Strange clutch problem
16 Franz Parzefall [franz@m24Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
17 Franz Parzefall [franz@m12Re: LRs on streets in old European cirties and sightings in Spain
18 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u17Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
19 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo21Re: Gearbox problems
20 Franz Parzefall [franz@m25Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
21 David Scheidt [david@mat19Sump dents
22 Andy Phillips [AnPi@serv18RE: Sump dents


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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:27:33 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Distributors

The digest seems to up and running again...(What did I DO with all that
free time!!!!), so here's a submission that didn't make it.....
The best way to fix a Land Rover, I am gradually finding out, is to have
one that is in perfect running order, and then trade the bits that you
think are giving you trouble with the one you are fixing!!!!!!

I did this with my Distributor and it has cured a myriad of ailments,
including smoking (the LR's, not mine) hesitation and the fact that I
could never fine tune either the carb or the timing.    Now that I know
it's the dist, I can order a new one, and put the unit that I swapped
back in my other one.

One thing is still happening though, and I'm not sure which part to swap
next.......

When I come to a stop fast, foot off the gas, the revs go down to the
point of almost stalling.   My theory is that the servo, which uses the
same vacuum from the intake manifold to do its work, is causing the
advance on the distributor to act funny, (advancing or retarding I'm not
sure which) hence the near stalling.   The vacuum guage goes from about
20 down to <5.

Anyone had a similar problem?   I'm thinking that maybe the vacuum
advance has to come off of the carb intake, rather than the manifold,
but my Zenith has no place for this......

Cheers, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:45:53 +0100
From: Iwan Vosloo <"Iwan Vosloo">
Subject: Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive

Frans,

I forgot to add... sitting on the wrong side of a car is of course very
confusing for hijackers and people who sell things at road crossings. 
(But then again, the guy who hijacks my car would have to be confused to
start off with!) 

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:43:37 +0100
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive

(thanks to the people who have fixed the list...it was a pleasant
surprise to see it again)

Frans,

I drive a left hand drive LR in a right-hand drive country -- so I have
an analogous problem.  I really think it's overkill to try and change
it.  I get along without hassles.  If (if!) you want to pass somebody,
you can always just look over them :-).  The only REAL hassle is when
you want to get in/out a parking garage or something similar where
people assume you sit at a specific side of the car to get a
ticket/press buttons or whatever.

Here are the increasingly silly ways of dealing with this:  If it rains,
you put up your handbrake, slide over to the other side, open the window
and there you go.  If not, you can just put up the handbrake, get out
and do whatever you need to outside the car (this is more
time-consuming).  OR, you can always drive through in reverse and
confuse everybody behind (in front of) you.

Seriously:  it's nothing to worry about, you'll get used to it in a day.

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:59:48 +0100
From: Iwan Vosloo <"Iwan Vosloo">
Subject: Series 3 gearbox mystery

To all SIII gearbox specialists...

For quite a while now I am having some trouble with my second gear.  I
don't think it's the synchromesh though.  Here are the symptoms...maybe
you can shed a little more light.

When changing into second (down / up) it feels like the gearlever
presses against something that's in the way (no grinding). 
Double-cluthing does not help.  Two things do help though: If I shift up
to where the lever gets stuck and then just move it to the right a
little, it goes in without a problem.  Also, I have seen that when I let
the clutch out just a little bit when the thing gets stuck, it goes in
without any hassles.

Just today I have realised a third thing:  If I shift the gearlever up
and down between 1st and second with the car standing still and the
clutch fully depressed and then drive, it's as though the whole problem
goes almost completely away-- I can shift normally.

This made my wonder whether it might not have anything to do with
whatever in there prevents you from engaging first when the car is not
completely still.

I don't know anything about gearboxes, but I was rather hoping that if
might be something to do with the linkage or detent springs ...
something I could check out easily from the top of the box without
taking it out completely.

Any ideas would really be appreciated (I don't feel like rebuilding the
box quite yet, I recon it has quite a bit of mileage left in it.)

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:44:32 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Series 3 gearbox mystery
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Iwan Vosloo wrote:
> To all SIII gearbox specialists...
> For quite a while now I am having some trouble with my second gear.  I
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> box quite yet, I recon it has quite a bit of mileage left in it.)
> - Iwan Vosloo
> ( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

Check the detent spring on 1/2 - if the ball bearing is missing, the
cross-locking which prevents two selector-rods moving at the same time
will not work properly. I just did this on mine - worked wonders!

good luck!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:02:35 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Priming & Painting Galvanised Frames

Brian asked:
>As some of you may remember, I'm in the middle of a frame-over on my '60
>Series II.  After several months of careful budgeting and assembling all
>the necessary new parts to build-up a rolling chassis, I am now ready to
>prime and paint my new galvanised frame.  Here's my question:  what is the
:best primer to used on these frames?  I was favouring something nasty like
>zinc chromate, though my friend who is doing the spraying for me has been
>advising me to use "Variprime" which I think is a DuPont product.  Whoever
>makes this stuff, I'm certain that it contains phosphoric acid so that it
>will "bite" into the galvanise.  I'm a bit fearful of this type of prime
:since I have heard rumours about it continue to eat into the metal for
>years afterward if not properly cured.  Any thoughts, advice and/or
>experiences would be most appreciated.

I can't help too much except to say that the fire brigade that owned my SI 
107" did a very good job when they painted everything in sight red, 
including all the galvanized bits. They first used a white and comparatively 
thick white substance as a primer and then sprayed red on top of that. This 
white stuff is very hard to remove from the galvanized parts, but once it's 
gone the galvanizing looks like it came out of the factory three months ago. 
(I am using methyl dichloride stripper to remove the paint from the 
galvanized parts, and it will take me some more weekends to take the stuff 
off.) Sorry to say I don't know what the white primer is - they used it on 
the painted parts too, though.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:02:41 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Axle Seals help......

J. Sutcliffe wrote:
>I recently blew my axle seals.  I bought the parts advised on here.  OK. 
>So I take off the brake drum, and get down to the part where there's an
>axle stub sticking out and there's a lock washer and another nut which have
>to wind off.  Haynes is no help.  The photos aren't even close.  this is a
:Light Weight of questionable vintage.  Prob. a SIII.  There's a lock nut
>which I think I need to back off.  Question.  I'm assuming this is right
>hand thread.  Do I have to get the lock nut off with a screw driver before
>applying pressure to the main nut?  I'm reluctant to start beating on
>stuff. Thanks.

J.- Make sure that you clean out the axle breather, a non-operative breather 
is often a reason for blown seals. Anyway, if the S III axle is anything 
like the SI fully-floating axle (and I think it is) you need to bend back 
the lock tab and loosen the lock nut. If the job was done correctly this 
lock nut should be very tight and needs a lot of convincing - I had to use a 
wrench about three feet long to loosen it. The next nut, however, is just 
finger tight - don't overtighten it when assembling or the bearings will 
suffer. The play after fastening both the nuts should be about .15 mm. The 
thread is normal fine thread, i. e. "Righty-tighty, lefty - loosy".
Good luck
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Subject: Painting Frames, Cont'd
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:37:04 -0500

I have realised that I did not explain my reasoning for wanting to paint my
galvanised frame.  Well, the reason should be obvious:  I am attempting to
keep the appearance of my LR as original as possible.  Hence, since its
original frame was sprayed in black at Solihul some 37 years ago, I want
this new frame to match, galvanised or not.  Besides, seeing a silvery
galvanised rear frame member just does not look right to me.  So black the
galvanised frame will be painted irrespective of its necessity or
redundancy.

Brian
1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" Station Wagon

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:25:41
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Archives

Bill, check the other Bill's letter on the digest for today 8/31/97. You
may want to have lots of sandwiches and beer on  hand when you get into
these archives, loads of great info. and time will fly by.

Jim Wolf

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Date: 31 Aug 97 16:32:06 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Parabolic Springs

Dear all,

Has anyone any experience (or hearsay) about the parabolic springs advertised in
LRO? As I understand it, Santana didn't switch to coil springs on their vehicles
in the early 80s like Land Rover did, and put some money into developing more
effective leaf springs. As my springs are all looking a bit tired I was
considering replacing them with the parabolics (according to the LR workshop
manual, a 109 Safari should be 2.07 metres high, but mine got onto the Lynx to
Ireland as a low vehicle - less than 1.98m!)

Tread Lightly,

Rich.

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Date: 31 Aug 97 16:32:10 EDT
From: Richard Maynard <101723.414@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Gearbox problems

Dear all,

I'm having a bit of bother with the gearbox on my series III 109, and having
never delved inside a LR 'box before, I thought I'd seek some advice.

The problem seems to be to do with selecting the gears; once in, all gears seem
to work properly.

The symptoms first appeared after a two hour run on the M1. First and second
gears became increasingly hard to engage, sounding dry and 'clicky' (my wife's
words). Eventually, first and second became impossible to get, and third and
fourth very difficult, so I limped home in third, using low ratio to get moving
and then changing up to high.

The gearbox, transfer box, overdrive oil levels are fine (although they all leak
a bit), as is the clutch fluid level (also a problem in the past). The overdrive
does run a bit hot, and a rebuild is a mid term prospect, but I can't see that
it's related.

I don't have extensive workshop facilities at home (I live in a flat!), and the
vehicle usually gets taken to my parents house for major surgery - is their
anything to check before I attempt to drive home and remove the gearbox
completely?

Any suggestions gratefully received!

Rich.  109 SIII Safari

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:54:33 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Gearbox problems
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Richard Maynard wrote:
> Dear all,
> I'm having a bit of bother with the gearbox on my series III 109, and
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> completely?
> Any suggestions gratefully received!
> Rich.  109 SIII Safari
Check your wallet? :-) good luck!
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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:44:28 -0400
From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com>
Subject: Hello DC/VA/MD Rover owners

Well I've had my D90 for almost a year now and I absolutely love it.  I
finally stepped up from a LC.  Well I'm pretty familiar with LC circles in
the area and my question is this -->  Where are are the Rover owners
hiding?  I'd love to get together with some of y'all and talk LR.  I know
your out there somewhere.  Not looking for these bonehead disco owners, we
all know there are plenty of them around here, who won't acknowledge you
when you pass.  Hell, I'll go out of my way for even a glimpse of a rover.
Like I told the dealer the other day when he noticed the dent in my wing,
"I didn't but this thing to run up and down 495!"

Just curious,

Chris

Christopher A. Glaves

97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263
78 Toyota Land Crusiser FJ40
Come see it all at --> http://www.erols.com/cglaves/rover.html
The mods keep coming....

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: LRs on streets in old European cirties and sightings in Spain
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 03:54:01 GMT

During my short visit to Spain I rented a tiny Opel sedan. It was
small enough to fit the small streets in old Cuenca, but one time my
wife had to get out to spot me around a very tight corner. What do
people with LRs do in these places?

I saw a lot of LRs and Santana's in the more rural areas. There were
some places where half the cars we saw were LR/Santanas. Plenty of
RR's, Discovery's and Defender's too.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Re Strange clutch problem
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 8:42:32 BST

> Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
> Wrote
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> This is probably due to the failure of the voltage regulator, the little box
> with two wires normally located on the back of the instrument pod.

Nope, its the float that doesn't. Tried to remove it at the weekend, but
nope, major dismantling was required (basically, the seat is in the way).
I'll wait till the tank is empty, then I'll drop the tank. This acutally
looks easier than removing the seat!
Excuse to waxoyl it at the same time.

Re. the clutch: Made the adjustment at the weekend. A bit of a faff, but
yep, there was no play. Too early to say if the problem has gone (I'll
have another big journey this Friday), but I only fluffed the clutch once
on the way to work this morning (Starting off in 3rd... :-)  ). This
seems good, but the better performance is worrying (did this mean I was
driving with the clutch slipping for the past few weeks?)

> Bye the bye do you often venture into my neck of the woods ( Norfolk)

Not that often. More often in Duxford/Cambridge.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:57:32 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi Frans,
| Has any ever performed or has had perform a 
| conversion from right-hand drive to left-hand drive?

IMHO it's not worth the work. A friend of mine drives a RHD 109 SIII
and he has absolutely no problems with it. As other said, the only
more difficult thing is overtaking, but that is very rare in a Series
vehicle.

cu,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: LRs on streets in old European cirties and sightings in Spain
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:01:48 +0200 (MET DST)

| wife had to get out to spot me around a very tight corner. What do
| people with LRs do in these places?
grab the highlift and move the house.... ;-)

Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 9:58:38 BST

> Hi Frans,
> | Has any ever performed or has had perform a 
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> more difficult thing is overtaking, but that is very rare in a Series
> vehicle.

Rare enough to get cheers from any talking cargo in the back! :-)
There is the argument that you don't want to make it any more difficult
than it already it is.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:10:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Gearbox problems

Re: "clicky" gears:

I'd more believe a clutch problem than a gearbox problem from this
description. From the sound of things, your gearbox isn't disengaging
properly, hence the fight to get it past the synchros every time.

I'd have a look at the clutch mechanism before I did anything to the box.
Check to make sure the sily thing's adjusted right, also make sure you
don't have a bad seal introducing air into the system ( a quick bleeding
will tell you that).

What makes me think "clutch" is the fact that it got worse as time went on
- g-boxes usually just fail if they're going to...

               ajr

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: conversion to Left Hand Drive
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:03:31 +0200 (MET DST)

Richard writes:
| Rare enough to get cheers from any talking cargo in the back! :-)
Somehow I know this....

| There is the argument that you don't want to make it any more difficult
| than it already it is.
You've got a point here, but it's not that worse I think. Didn't have any
problem with it on my trip to Scotland this year. The bigger problem was
entering roundabouts, but we don't have to many of them on the continent.

cu later,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 05:05:58 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <david@math.earlham.edu>
Subject: Sump dents

While off-road Saturday, I managed to slip the front wheel off of a rock
and bashed a rather impressive dent into the sump.  There don't seem to be
any problems caused by this, except I broke the rock.  Is it worth (and
safe to try?) pulling the pan and pounding out the dents?  I need to
lubricate the driveway^W^W^W change the oil anyways, so that isn't an
issue.  If I do pull the pan, is there anything else that I should do at
the same time (I don't suffer from shipfitter's syndrome, but...)

David

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1966 SIIA 88", now with 0 staight body panels

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From: Andy Phillips <AnPi@serviceteam.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Sump dents
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:36:14 +0100

Depending on the nature of the dents you might want to check there are
no shards of metal from the inside of the pan floating around the system
. . . paranoia might also suggest checking the alignment of everything
in the area and scanning for new leaks.

Andy.

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> David_Scheidt@math.earlham.edu
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