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1 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea14rusted wheel bolts
2 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 23Re: rusted wheel bolts
3 QROVER80@aol.com 8Re: Mostly Metro DC LROs---Aug 3 event
4 "Orin Harding" [NAMGBR@m6subscribe
5 David Russell [David_R@m14Aug 1997 LROI, p. 165
6 Michael R Fredette [mfre21101 Forward Control owners
7 MALCOLMF [MALCOLMF@prodi112Whats my SIIa worth?
8 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr20Re: Sightings??????????
9 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml34RE: Whats my SIIa worth?
10 David Russell [David_R@m19Re: 101 Forward Control owners
11 WJMcD@aol.com 44Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.
12 "Brian Cotton (bcotton@p20FAQ Update
13 rover@pinn.net (Alexande16Test
14 WJMcD@aol.com 13Dumb Question?
15 BarrieWyLR@aol.com 13D-90 for sale
16 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o38Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.
17 David Cockey [dcockey@ti15Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.
18 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu21Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.
19 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu24Re: Dumb Question?
20 Michael Carradine [cs@cr47Palo Alto 1997
21 "Said Geoffrey at MSU" [10Re: Dump Question
22 Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai48Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.


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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: rusted wheel bolts
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:27:00 -0400

Try drilling down the side of the bolt in a couple of spots parallel to
the stud. Then use a chisel to split the nut. This way the stud will
survive to be cleaned up and a new nut fitted. Get an impact screwdriver
from your local handy tool store to undo those drum retainer screws.
They are inexpensive and can save hours of frustration and damaged screw
slots. Do this before you even consider trying to remove the screws
without because you will certainly burr the slots over and make
subsequent extraction harder.

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: rusted wheel bolts
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:39:49 +0000

At 11:27 AM 7/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
>URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>The Best stuff I have found for freeing rusted bolts is 

KROIL made by Kano labs in Nashville, Tenn. it is only available thru mail
order.  They have Kroil with a silicone additive as well as another one with
graphite..good for leaf springs.
I used kroil to free the bolts holding the door tops on my lla  which were
rusted solid.  I soaked 'em for 3 days and they came right out.  When I
changed the swivel balls I  used Kroil on the hub bolts and with the help of
my Metrinch was able to turn them right off.
They currently have Kroil as a 2 for 1 deal @ $9
Heres the number 615-833-4101
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:50:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mostly Metro DC LROs---Aug 3 event

Flo and I am. We plan to take the 80" and Flo's 7 year old nephew. Rgds
Quintin Aspin

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 13:32:57 UT
From: "Orin Harding" <NAMGBR@msn.com>
Subject: subscribe

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Aug 1997 LROI, p. 165

Hello real-timers. I'm on digest mode, so I won't see this and hope you are
all doing well. There is a photo of someone I recognize at the above
referenced point sitting on the bonnet of an 88" mired in a pond. Somehow,
it seems appropriate. Makes me wish I hadn't skipped the party. Cheers

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
SIIA, SD, Z3(wife's), FJ40, Wicked Fat Chance, Davidson Impulse, Road Shark

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From: Michael R Fredette <mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com>
Subject: 101 Forward Control owners
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:28:13 -0700 (PDT)

Hi folks,

    I'm trying to locate all the owners of 101FC's in the US
    and Canada. If you are one, know one, heard of one somewhere,
    please email me or phone, I'm trying to organize a sort of
    club thing to discuss these vehicles, and organize any 
    group parts orders to the UK to save some shipping costs.
    I have a 12v RHD GS 101FC. Looking forward to hearing from 
    any of you out there.

    Rgds
    Mike Fredette
    Portland, Oregon
    mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com
    503 613 8958 

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:12:04 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Whats my SIIa worth?

A recent disability makes it look like getting out and under my Land
Rover may not remain an option for me in the future. And in forty plus
years of British car ownership I cannot imagine how to keep one running
if you don't get out and get under - unless, of course, you are as rich
as Croesus.  

So I have decided to replace my Land Rover with a Cherokee (power
steering, you know).   :(   

To give the devil its due, the Cherokee is really a better highway boat
towing vehicle than the Land Rover.  It is feeble enough off road, but
then all I really need now is a light duty FWD that will tow a boat and
cope with some difficult boat launch ramps.  But it certainly is a
different concept.  I went through a muddy puddle.  When I got home, I
washed it.  Then, Lord help me, I waxed it. 

My problem is determining market value the Land Rover and then finding a
a person who will part with the money.  The internet is loaded with
websites that will tell you what ask for a car with power seats, sun
roofs, air conditioning, et al.  None of which is of any use to me.  

I have a hard working, 88 inch, 2.25 petrol, 1965 SIIa, located in
Southern New Hampshire, about an hour north of Boston.  As of today, the
odometer says 83,869 miles but of course it is anybody's guess what that
means. 

It has a tailgate style hard top, rear seats and the bows for the soft
top but no canvas, windows or the piece that goes over the right hand
door.  Elephant hide generally in very good shape.  

The chassis seems to have no more than superficial surface rust.  

The engine starts well, even below zero (F) and stops fast when you turn
the key off. A recent valve job evened out the compression which had
been a bit low in one cylinder.  Oil pressure kicks in at 80 psi when
first run cold but soon drops to about 45psi in town and to 60psi at
highway speeds when hot. 

It has Warn hubs, Rochester carb, Delco alternator (neg ground), new
springs and shocks and three point seat belts. 

The body has a few minor dings that just add to overall character.  PO's
first painted the original factory light green to a forest green and
later semigloss black.  A paint job is in order and was going to be my
next project, but it is really cosmetic.  The hard top is the original
Ivory color.  I recently hosed the underside, but the topsides need to
be washed.  :)

This Land Rover is a daily driver.  I don't drive it every day, more
because of where I need to drive, rather than the condition of the car. 
Face it, and I don't care how much you love them, Series Land Rovers
suck on Interstate Highways.  My cruise control is the radio.  When I
can no longer hear the radio above all of the general engine, gearbox,
tire and wind noise, I know I am going fast enough.  I don't object to
this, you understand, but I think it indicates a maximum happy speed of
50-55 mph.  If you don't have the radio on you can easily wind up better
than 65.  

It is routinely my car of last resort, in that when nothing else in the
driveway will fire up or move, the Land Rover will.  It will pull, push,
jump start, unbury itself from snow dumped on it by the snow blower,
pull trailers, get to work in rain, sun, snow, -20F, +100F, do dump
runs, or whatever.  It is currently registered and inspected (New
Hampshire Antique Plate <<USMC>>)

In the six years I have owned it, it has pulled a car back to pavement
that had skidded to the the top of a snow drift, rescued a pick-up
truck/heavy boat from a sandy lakeside launch ramp and one time took a
buried Volvo wagon plus boat off a mucky salt water ramp just ahead of
the incoming tide.  It is my vehicle of choice for dump runs and getting
rid of lawn refuse.  (The back of an 88 holds about a third cord of
split firewood without going too far over the top of the seats.) 

Someone from Kansas (Nebraska?) was looking for a Land Rover recently,
but if anyone wanted to take it that far they should stop at Rovers
North and have an overdrive unit installed.  I have been told that you
need a strong engine to handle the overdrive and I believe that my
engine is strong enough to handle it.  They should also invest in a
super-soft seat cushion.  

This Land Rover can be used as is, cleaned up nicely for a daily worker
or serve as the basis for a minimum effort complete restoration.  Yet
there are enough mysterious minor problems to keep the cognoscenti
happy.  Thrilled, in fact.  

I want my Land Rover to have a good home.  The only other car that I
have ever felt this way about was a 1952 MGTD that I had to get rid of
in 1968.  Although sentimental about both cars, I never gave either a
name.

So, anyway, anybody have any good idea what my Land Rover might be
worth?

Anybody want part with some money?
  
Comments welcome, on the net or direct. 

   ~~\---|
    / \  |\
   /   \ ||\
  /     \|| \   =====__
 /_______||__\  |[__]|_\_==_
\_Swampscott_/  | 65 | SIIa |
 ====(@)======== (@)-----(@)... . -- .--. . .-.   ..-. ..*\:{>

Calm Seas & Prosperous Voyage.
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:32:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Sightings??????????

At 08:57 AM 7/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes. Our wives (husbands, fiancees, roomates, etc..) still don't understand
>why when we see a Serie's Landie for 10 seconds we have to talk about it for
 
My girlfriend still (after 8 years) gets upset that I get all excited and
nearly wet myself when I see a series vehicle but all I do is say Hi when I
see her... 

(It's because I see her pretty much everyday, but Series sightings are
pretty rare around here.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Whats my SIIa worth?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:44:27 -0700

Up here in Canada (BC) such a vehicle would be worth $4000.00 - 
$8000.00. (Canadian Funds) I have seen some advertised for more in The 
States.

I must say that your sales pitch brought a tear to my eye.  Nice 
writing!

Paul Quin
1961 Series II SWB
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From:  MALCOLMF[SMTP:MALCOLMF@prodigy.net]
Sent:  Wednesday, July 30, 1997 7:12 AM
Subject:  Whats my SIIa worth?

URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

A recent disability makes it look like getting out and under my Land
Rover may not remain an option for me in the future. And in forty 
plus
years of British car ownership I cannot imagine how to keep one 
running
if you don't get out and get under - unless, of course, you are as 
rich
as Croesus.
<SNIP>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:46:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 101 Forward Control owners

Although not a 101 owner, I'd love to know how to become one!! How'd you
get yours? I thought military vehicles, of any age, could not be imported
into the US.

>    I have a 12v RHD GS 101FC. Looking forward to hearing from
>    any of you out there.
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>    mfredett@ptdcs2.intel.com
>    503 613 8958

David Russell
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com
SIIA, SD, Z3(wife's), FJ40, Wicked Fat Chance, Davidson Impulse, Road Shark

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.

In a message dated 97-07-30 15:32:33 EDT, WJMcD writes:

<< majordomo@land-rover.team.net >>

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Things that go BUMP in the box.
Date:    97-07-30 15:32:33 EDT
From:    WJMcD
CC:      WJMcD

Okay. With the exception of a "puff-puff-pop" coming from a doinked exhaust
manifold gasket, my 2.6 is in the 109 and purring away. Since this is my
first LR and I have only a few miles under my belt, I'd like to describe a
couple of noises/problems and get some feedback from you pros.

1. Overdrive (Fairley) doesn't want to stay engaged in either position.
Detent ball and sping replacement?

2. When I hold it in overdrive, I hear a whirring sound from the gearbox. Not
too loud, but noticable. Worrisome or normal.

2A. OD spews oil out that tiny hole in the top plate. Normal? (maybe slightly
overfilled)

3. If I don't double clutch carefully, there is a distinct CLUNK/KNOCK/BANG
in 2nd gear. As the doctor in the old joke says "then don't do that!" or is
in an indication of nastiness to come.

4. Still have some grounding problems. It was suggested that I run a lead
from the battery to the engine. Good idea?

Thanks for the help.
Bill McDonald
1969 109 "Beauty" (No longer for sale)
1966 MGB- "The Race Car" (as our kids call it)
1975 Honda CB400F Supersport- "Beastie"

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From: "Brian Cotton (bcotton@pta.lia.net)" <Brian.Cotton@liapta.pta.lia.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:45:59 +0000
Subject: FAQ Update

Dear All,

Please have a look at the FAQ update regarding the Golden Jubilee 
Tour of Southern Africa as organised by the Land Rover Owners Club of 
SA.

http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/bcotton/50page.html

If you don't want to receive these messages please send me mail 
telling me to sod off !

Thanks
Brian Cotton
LROC of SA

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:59:48 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Test

Testing...is the digest still down?  Or has the major deleted some of us?

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:36:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dumb Question?

I was reading in the LRO.net pages and saw that vehicles made after 1969 had
the stronger Salisbury axles. How does one determine what knd of axle one
has. Coupled with my earlier problems...it seems I can't tell my axles from a
hole in my ground (bit of a reach, but a serious question).

Thanks
Bill

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:41:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: D-90 for sale

Still for sale 1994 D-90, 64kmi, white soft top, OME suspension, ARB bullbar,
Roofrack,  $23,500 OBO.  If you know of someone looking for a D-90 in good
shape have them contact me.  Thanks.  Trades seriously considered.  

                                               Barrie
94 d-90 no name
60 SII 88 Rugbeater

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 17:02:57 EST
Subject: Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.

>>1. Overdrive (Fairley) doesn't want to stay engaged in either position.

take it off, replace it with new. or just use a bungee or something to hold it 
in. 

>> When I hold it in overdrive, I hear a whirring sound from the gearbox. Not
>>too loud, but noticable. Worrisome or normal.

they all do that. Your biggest problem is keeping it in gear.

>> OD spews oil out that tiny hole in the top plate. Normal? (maybe slightly
overfilled)

Normal. keep it filled. see #1

>>If I don't double clutch carefully, there is a distinct CLUNK/KNOCK/BANG
>>in 2nd gear. As the doctor in the old joke says "then don't do that!" or is
>>in an indication of nastiness to come.

They all do that. 

>> Still have some grounding problems. It was suggested that I run a lead
from the battery to the engine. Good idea?

an absolute neccessity, IMO.

>>1969 109 "Beauty" (No longer for sale)

So it was only for sale when it had no motor??

later
DaveB.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:03:30 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.

> 3. If I don't double clutch carefully, there is a distinct
> CLUNK/KNOCK/BANG
> in 2nd gear. As the doctor in the old joke says "then don't do that!"
> or is
> in an indication of nastiness to come.

Until the very end of SII production in '71, all gearboxes were
essentially the same without synchronizers on 1st or 2nd. So the driver
has to ensure that the gears are matched in speed when shifting into 1st
or 2nd. This means double clutching when downshifting.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:37:28 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.

David Cockey wrote:
> URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> > 3. If I don't double clutch carefully, there is a distinct
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> has to ensure that the gears are matched in speed when shifting into 1st
> or 2nd. This means double clutching when downshifting.

Hence the name 'crash box'...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here...
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:40:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Dumb Question?

WJMcD@aol.com wrote:
> URL: http://WWW.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I was reading in the LRO.net pages and saw that vehicles made after 1969 had
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> Thanks
> Bill

T'aint neccessarily so...

I have a '72 IIa with Rover diffs fore and aft. I sold a '74 III last
year also with Rover all round.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here...
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:06:13 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Palo Alto 1997

 Geeez...  almost that time aleady!!

 The British Car Meet across from the Stanford Shopping Center in Palo
 Alto, CA is almost upon us again.  The dates are Saturday and Sunday,
 September 6th and 7th, 1997.

 The event flyer reads in part,

 "Saturday, Sept. 6th - Join us for a fun-filled morning Brunch Cruise
 to The Sea coordinated by British Car Magazine.  Cars will be staged from
 the El Camino Park lot between 9:00 & 10:30 AM.  Fee, including brunch at
 The Village Green Tea Room in El Granada, is $10 per person.  There is no
 pre-registration, but let the British Car Magazine folks know if you are
 planning to participate.  Call 415-949-9680.

 "Sunday, Sept 7th - Be part of the biggest one-day British show in
 America.  Over 700 cars are expected to fill El Camino Park.  Daily
 drivers & works-in-progress are as welcome as Concours quality cars.
 Great food, big band music and more fun than you'll be able to stand!
 All participants will receive a commerative event cap.  Fiels entry will
 be 9:00 AM.  There is no pre-registration.  Fee is $20 per car at the
 gate;  Spectators attend free.  Call 310-392-6605 for more information.

 "El Camino Park is on the El Camino, one block north of University
 Ave., just opposite the main entrance to the Stanford Shopping Center."

 Event Coordinator Rich Feybush says this year The British Car Meet in
 Palo Alto will honor the MGB.  The MBG club will have its National
 Convention at Palo Alto, as it did 4 years ago.  He is expecting 150
 MGB's to attend.  Next year Morris Minors will celebrate their 50th
 Jubilee Anniversary, as will Land Rover.

 This year Land Rovers will be parked in the North Field, closer to the
 band area.

 See you there!

 Ciao,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:52:20 +0100
From: "Said Geoffrey at MSU" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Re: Dump Question

When you look from the rear of the truck the salsbury axle is more hexagonal then 
the rover one.  Also the access cover to the diff is at the rear.

Geff Sherman
109 Ser III Diesel

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:49:42 +0100
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Things that go BUMP in the box.

WJMcD@aol.com wrote:

>  get some feedback from you pros.
> 1. Overdrive (Fairley) doesn't want to stay engaged in either position.
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> 1. Overdrive (Fairley) doesn't want to stay engaged in either position.
> Detent ball and sping replacement?
The detent ball and spring were available as a service kit part no:
RTC7181 according to my old leaflet.
 
> 2. When I hold it in overdrive, I hear a whirring sound from the gearbox. Not
> too loud, but noticable. Worrisome or normal.
> Detent ball and sping replacement?
Mine makes that noise when in overdrive.
 
> 2A. OD spews oil out that tiny hole in the top plate. Normal? (maybe slightly
> overfilled)

Not exactly spews, more a trickle, but there is some.
 
> 3. If I don't double clutch carefully, there is a distinct CLUNK/KNOCK/BANG
> in 2nd gear. As the doctor in the old joke says "then don't do that!" or is
> in an indication of nastiness to come.

Mine seems to have a mind of its own, if it feels like it, it objects
with klunks bangs etc and sometimes won't go in at all until I go to
reverse first. Other times, fortunately most of the time, it slips in
easy, going up or down gear. 

> 4. Still have some grounding problems. It was suggested that I run a lead
> from the battery to the engine. Good idea?
> in an indication of nastiness to come.

Essential! I had trouble with the starter motor, so I finished up
running a thick cable from the battery negative post to one of the motor
mounting bolts, worked a treat.
> 4. Still have some grounding problems. It was suggested that I run a lead

Mick Forster
1973 SIII LWB Safari 
1963 SIIa SWB (The lad's Landy )
E-mail: cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk
WWW:-  http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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