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1 Mike Cattell [Mike@mikec23Re: major problem?
2 "Brian Cotton (bcotton@p15New FAQ page - Needs input
3 "Brian Cotton (bcotton@p9Sorry-I'm stupid
4 rhodesia@juno.com (Chris22[not specified]
5 lopezba@atnet.at 58Stripping paint from galvanized parts, fuel tank
6 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 13Outer wing skin needed
7 Majordomo [majordom> 22[not specified]
8 David Cockey [dcockey@ti40No direct sales to NA
9 Michael Carradine [cs@cr31Re: No direct sales to NA
10 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim47[not specified]
11 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u41Re: Billing '97 report
12 David Cockey [dcockey@ti10SI Calender (na in NA)
13 James Curtis [staff@stjo28SERIES II PUSHRODS


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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:01:06 +0100
From: Mike Cattell <Mike@mikecat.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: major problem?

In article <bulk.21502.19970718132003@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Erik van
Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com> writes
>I haven't recieved the lro-digest for about two weeks, have unsubscribed

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>Suwanee, Georgia
>1973 Series III  88"
The major certainly is!!!
I met him at Billing yesterday. I pointed out that all was not well and he
appologises but there's not a lot he can do for a fortnight while hes in the
uk. As far as I'm aware the real time list is working.

As far as Billing goes, what a meet, between 8,000 and 10,000 landrovers
all in the same place at the same time, absolutley amazing :-)

 
Mike Cattell, Christleton, Cheshire, U.K.
http://www.mikecat.demon.co.uk/

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From: "Brian Cotton (bcotton@pta.lia.net)" <Brian.Cotton@liapta.pta.lia.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:49:16 +0000
Subject: New FAQ page - Needs input

Everybody,

Please go and have a look at my new, and very young, FAQ page 
concerning the
Land Rover Owner's Club's Golden Jubilee Tour of Southern Africa 1998

Thanks
Brian Cotton
LROC of SA

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From: "Brian Cotton (bcotton@pta.lia.net)" <Brian.Cotton@liapta.pta.lia.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:54:09 +0000
Subject: Sorry-I'm stupid

Sorry Folks, I forgot to tell you where to go:

http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/bcotton/50page.html

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Subject: Re: models(toys)
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 14:54:38 EDT

Hi Everyone,

A long six weeks in the land of the eternal Land Rover. Along the way I
inadvertantly picked up ( actually between my wife and I we did this) a
couple of extra Land Rover models. They are super friction 4x4 toys made
by NewRay. The scale is 1:32 Land Rover Station Wagons-(1985 Defenders
90). They are die cast metal with plastic safari top. The bodies are
either green or yellow with the plastic tops being white. The four wheels
are geared so that they move totally in unison (I guess I would call it
permanent four wheel drive). There is a rear spare wheel on the safari
door, and bull bars on the front. Is anyone interested in these before I
let my kids add them to their growing LR collection. Email me at
Rhodesia@juno.com

Cheers

Chris Whitehead-Arizona, USA

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:08:29 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Stripping paint from galvanized parts, fuel tank

Dear all, every now and then there is a question about stripping paint off 
galvanized parts without damaging the galvanizing. I asked the same question 
about two years ago, and one of the answers I got was to use 
methylchloride-based stripper. I found some from Eastwood's and used it 
today on my windshield. It really works well! The stripper eats up the 
paint, and the winshield looks almost like new. Some points:

The part you want to strip the paint from should be reasonably warm (I left 
the windshield in the sun for a while).
I used a paintbrush to apply the stripper to the windshield and let it sit 
for about ten minutes (worked on something else in the meantime).
Then I used stainless steelwool and lots of water to remove the paint ( a 
white base, red and light green) and the stripper.

Where do you get stainless steelwool from, you might well ask? I couldn't 
find any, either, until I went to a local supermarket to do the heavy 
shopping for my wife and found some that is used to scour stainless steel 
pots. It pays to help your wife! The stuff works really well, too. If you 
use normal steel wool, your galvanized surface will rust.

This stripper dissolves natural rubber, too, btw. Fine with me, I had wanted 
to take the two panes of glass out of the windscreen, but they wouldn't 
budge - now they almost fell out (I caught them in time). The stripper is 
not supposed to hurt aluminum, so it should be safe to use on galvanized 
parts still attached to aluminum panels as long as you plan to repaint the 
panel.

Please be sure to wear rubber gloves and goggles and only work in a 
well-ventilated room, or out in the open.

I also removed the fuel tank today, and I must say the way the fuel tank is 
attched to the chassis is the most perverse bit of engineering I have 
encountered so far. The three front bolts are 5/16th A/F, and all sheared - 
fine, they have been sitting in an exposed place for almost fourty years. 
The three rear bolts are 1/8th WW, and you can't get at the nuts unless you 
have a third joint and a special Whitworth tool that goes round a corner - 
they sit inside an outrigger with a narrow opening at the bottom, and they 
sit close to the wall of the outrigger so you can't get anything around 
them. It was a real struggle with a broken-off spanner I ground to fit 
between the nut and the wall - I couldn't get he nutsplitter in there, 
either. And the worst part: The tank does not rest on the outriggers, it is 
suspended from them, so as soon as you have the first three bolts out it 
slips down on that side and puts even more stress on the other three bolts, 
and it also needs to be propped up or it will fall tp the ground as soon as 
the last nut is removed (which, luckily, is practically impossible). 
However, I must admit the tank is in very good shape, with very little 
superficial rust and all the attachments still there and in working order 
(including the float-type fuel gauge sender).
Hope everybody else had a productive weekend

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Outer wing skin needed
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:51:31 +0000

I am looking for a right side outer wing skin for my '68 lla 88.
   Please contact me direct
TIA
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 16:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Majordomo <majordom>

Hi all,
	It seems that in addition to the obvious chagnes which I made,
the actual file containing the lists of names for the lro-digest subscribers
was wiped out entirely, and replayed by a binary file.  It has been
fixed, by retreiving a version from 7 July.  Don't know if this will
get everyone going again or not.

	Cheers,
	-Bill

	(writing from Pierre Ketteridge's laptop, in New Farnley, nr. Leeds, UK
	I'm off to the west coast of Scotland, so if you digest folks get
	this message on Monday morning, then you're happy, and if you don't
	then I'll sort it out in August.  Happy Rovering.)
~v
~V
~v
~e

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:13:34 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: No direct sales to NA

The SI Club Shop no longer ships directly to North America. Items no
longer available include clothing, stickers, handbooks and manuals,
repro bulkhead plates, a few tools, and hardened exhaust valves. The
reason is given in "Legend" #88.

The SI Club believes that "there is a tendency in North America to sue
at the drop of a hat - or a spanner on someone's big toe". So they
became concerned over a situation such as one in which "it was claimed
that the Club's exhaust valves caused an engine to seize which was the
possible factor which resulted in a third party being hurt - and they,
the third party, then sent out writs in all directions". They were then
"advised that it would be prohibitively expensive to take out suitable
product liabilty insurance for North America". They suggest anyone in
North America find an intermediary in the UK for SI Club items.

As far as I'm aware the SI Club is a limited liability corporation in
the UK with no assests or representation (other than members) in North
America. Does anyone who is knowlegable about US and Canadian product
liability law believe their concerns are reasonable? How would anyone
sue them and collect if successful in the US? What is the real
probablity of anyone suing a club in North America over merchandise
sold? What would insurance cost a North American club with such
concerns?

I'm worried others in the UK, particularly the small LR related
businesses, will pick up on this and refuse to ship to the US. Any
suggestions on how to counter this?

BTW, based on what is in the British press, don't say anything negative
about any UK residents. They probably sue you for libel or slander, and
you will have great difficulty defending yourself. Insurance coverage is
prohibitively expensive.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 20:13:25 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: No direct sales to NA

At 10:13 PM 7/20/97 -0400, David Cockey wrote:
:The SI Club Shop no longer ships directly to North America......
:The SI Club believes that "there is a tendency in North America to sue
:at the drop of a hat - or a spanner on someone's big toe"......
:As far as I'm aware the SI Club is a limited liability corporation in
:the UK with no assests or representation (other than members) in North
:America.

 So what is the worry?  No one is going to sue over a $10, $100, or even
 $1000 part.  Suits up to $5,000 are relegated to Small Claims Court,
 that is, citizens suing citizens without attorney's involved.  Service
 of Process to an overseas entity would be difficult, and the court has
 no sphoena powers unless the entity steps foot in the state.  Keep
 selling merchandise and parts, used and "as is".  The only trouble you
 can expect is fraudulent sales, where a customer can ask his credit
 card company to refund his money which will get withdrawn from your
 account.

-Michael

 PS- What are dues and the address for the SI club?

                       _____   
 Michael Carradine     [__[_\__                        50-80, 72-88, 89-RR
 Architect             [_______]                www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)_.(o)___..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Subject: Billing '97 report
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 08:49:56 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

Great event as usual - I arrived on Thursday afternoon and was amazed at 
the number of people already there - considering that it did not 
officially start until Friday - the campsite looked pretty much full 
already with more rigs arriving by the minute. By early Friday I couldn't 
see where they would fit everyone. Its never been this busy so early 
before I'm sure. The weather Thursday and Friday was pretty miserable but 
Saturday and Sunday were glorious. The extra rain added a little extra to 
the off-road course. I drove it every day and each time was different, 
with some sections being roped off due to excessive wear, by the end of 
the weekend there were some enourmous ruts and holes in the back end of 
the course that certainly had my suspension clunking and groaning.

The Display area was the same as usual - I don't see how they can alter 
it, they go through the same routine every year with Club displays, 
off-road driving techniques etc, all that changes is the running order.

The Trade stands were not as good this year - they seem to be moving 
towards more companies offering after-market parts and modifications with 
less traders offering used/new parts for older series vehicles etc. but 
some bargains are still to be had, just not as many as before. A couple 
of traders seemed to be shifting more 'small items' than large parts, 
probably the items that cost more in shipping costs than the purchase 
price.

John Craddock's Auction on Sunday afternoon revealed some real bargains, 
an new Arctic Heater went for 10quid (usual cost - over 1000UK) a couple 
of capstan winches sold for around 200 quid (usual cost again over 1000) 
a Power Take-Off for a 5-speed box sold for 40quid and numerous items 
selling for similar amounts. The more unusual bits for sale were a large 
amount of workshop manuals and handbooks in foreign languages, I really 
don't know where Craddock got so many Arabic and Danish publications 
from, there were also Land Rover books in French, Italian, Dutch and one 
or two in English. A real treat for the hundreds of Continental Europeans 
visiting the show this year.

The problem next year will be whether we can fit all the shows in, I 
already know of 5 events all planned to celebrate 50 years of Land rover 
with the ARC National planned to take place over NINE days. I don't know 
if my wife will appreciate using up all our holiday entitlement from work 
on Landrover events.

Simon W-H
110 V8 CSW

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Billing '97 report
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 9:40:10 BST

> John Craddock's Auction on Sunday afternoon revealed some real bargains, 
> an new Arctic Heater went for 10quid (usual cost - over 1000UK) a couple 
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> or two in English. A real treat for the hundreds of Continental Europeans 
> visiting the show this year.

With hindsight I should have bid on that Arctic Heater! I was going to bid
on a wing, but it turned out it was for a 90/110.

Well, it the first Billing I went to - yes there were a lot of Landies!
I heard quite a few people saying there were loads more than last year.
Surprising number of Discos too.

I was very good with buying bits - a couple of shackles and a model kit! :-)
*But* there may be a new convert...
I went along with a guy I new from Uni (works for Ford) who's being toying with
the idea of getting a military Landy since I got mine. Although tempted by
a 101" the girlfriend overruled it! (anything that will fit in the garage, and
yes I fitted *my* 109" in *his* garage!)
Anyway, he found a 109" FFR soft-top going for some ridiculous price (L1250
I think). Seems to be in good nick - we had a drive around in it. The paint
job was much worse than mine, looks like there's a rear axle seal leaking.
That's about it! Engine sounds good, although neither of us actually drove it.
Green engine (what *did* that signify?) New clutch master. New shocks.
Suspension was claimed to be new, although the front springs looked newer than
the rear. Chassis seems good, although it was Vince who had the poke around.
The guy trying to sell it claimed the gearbox and steering were good - hard
to tell without driving it...

He said he was going back next week.
If so, we'll all be meeting up for a barbie in Purley, so we'd have to drive
in in convoy. I remember the looks I got last year, when I did a 3-point
turn in Purley! :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:11:57 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: SI Calender (na in NA)

The SI Club is advertising a '98 calender for #3.50. Presumably it can't
be sold directly to North America due to product liability concerns.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:15:27 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: SERIES II PUSHRODS

A brief question...

I have a Series II 1960 (3 bearing I presume)

I have just raised the compression by skimming the head...  
I have taken off 4.8mm!  There is no apparrent problems and there certainly
is a little more poke!...  However the pushrods are now too long.

So The long and short of it is I need to get some pushrods from an engine
with shorter ones (the 2 & 1/4 diesel) 

Question 1:  Are the diesel ones shorter?
"        2:  How much?
"        3:  If not then how does the diesel equivalent manage this shorter
distance between crank and valve?

There must be loads of you out there who have done similar things to your
beasties... I would appreciate any advice on how to overcome this minor
problem..

Thanks in advance,

James

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