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1 Stephen Brown [sbrown@tr22Swap RHD to LHD???
2 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea16Swap RHD to LHD
3 twakeman@scruznet.com (T67Re: Testimony to the marque...
4 Michael Carradine [cs@cr22Re: What decal?
5 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml34FW: Selectro (Leaky) Hubs
6 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi24Re: FW: Selectro (Leaky) Hubs
7 CIrvin1258@aol.com 29Re: Testimony to the marque...
8 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi16sighting
9 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world14misc.
10 rovah@agate.net 26Website Update!
11 torque@pacific.net.sg (L19sighting


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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:49:02 -0400
From: Stephen Brown <sbrown@trek.ned.ara.com>
Subject: Swap RHD to LHD???

Hi,

Occasionally I see a right hand drive (RHD) vehicle for sale for a
good price, but I've always passed them up because of the
thoughts/hassle of driving them daily in the US. For example, I once
found a dormobile for sale when I lived in New Mexico for cheap, but I
discovered that the state laws required that RHD vehicles never pass
another vehicle and you always must stay in the right hand lane.

I'm now looking for another Series Landrover for long commutes and
I've run across another RHD bargain. I suspect that it is possible to
switch these things to LHD, but is it practical? Has anyone ever done
this?

Stephen Brown
sbrown@ned.ara.com
1960 Series II "Bertie"

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Swap RHD to LHD
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:20:00 -0400

Stephen Brown writes "but I discovered that the state laws required that
RHD vehicles never pass another vehicle and you always must stay in the
right hand lane."

Don't see that this would really present much problem to a Land Rover. I
passed another vehicle, once :-)

Seriously though, unless there is a law like that. Is it worth the
hassle to change. Just put in a dummy steering wheel for the dog and
watch for the astonished faces.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:50:07 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Testimony to the marque...

At  4:47 AM 7/16/97 -0400, CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:
;
>This past weekend, I decided to replace both axles, so I picked up a set from
>British Pacific. Upon removing the right axle, I found, to my dismay, that it
;broke off at the inner end, thus the diff has to come out. I crawled under
>the truck to drain the diff oil, and happened to glance at the leaf springs,
;and my neighbors promptly hear the loudest "HOLY S&%T!" that they've ever
>heard, because I spotted a good inch of sunlight BETWEEN the axle housing,
;and the spring - yet the U - bolts were all intact!
;
>Turns out, the rear end got so hot, that the axle housing actually melted,
>and the right spring pulled the tops of the U - bolts THROUGH the top of the
;axle housing!
;
My I suggest a different cause?

If the nuts on the 'U' bolts are not tight they will be repeatidly  pounded
against the soft steel bottom plate.

I had this happen on the right rear of my 109. I was on a run rock crawling
up a desert canyon when both my right rear 'U' bolts left the car.  I just
kept going untill I recieved a radio message from the LR behind me
informing me that the right rear of my car was sitting low.

Some parts retrieving and checking showed that there were indintations
pounded into the underside of the bottom plates and that the nuts had
stripped off the bolts.

Basically an initial little space started allowing movement that pounded
the nuts against the plate making a nut dia size hole.  As the hole got
bigger the nut could get a longer run before hitting the plate,
accelerating the rate of damage.  In my car the nut ended up being pounded
down the threads and off the 'U' bolts.  In your case I think you had
harder steel in you 'U' bolt & nut than the soft steel bottom plates.

Here is a scenereo I would suggest:
- Loose 'U' bolts started the nuts pounding against the bottom plate and
eventualy worked its way through the plate.

- The lose axle housing moved backwards a little while you were driving
taking the rear wheels out of true.

- This caused stress on the rear wheel bearings.  A rear wheel bearing
siezed and took out an axle.  I suspect that your heating on a rear wheel
hub was caused by wheel bearings.  But if you had a loose hub the break
drum could have moved in relation to the shoes.

I would guess the pulled 'U' bolts caused all your problems.

Your tyres would have melted or burst into flame before the massive volume
of metal in the rear housing would get hot enough to melt.  Also, your rear
housing would have deformed from the weight of the car & moving stresses.

I now have grade 8 flat washers between the 'U' bolt nuts and the soft
metal bottom plates.  The only real way to check for loose bolts is to lift
the car up by its axles then look.  My problem was that I always did my
visual inspection without jacking up the car.  The weight of the car was on
the 'U' bolts and of course they were tight.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:27:50 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: What decal?

At 06:46 AM 7/16/97 -0400, John Ousterhout wrote:
:I must have missed something in the new AW. What is the decal
:you're talking about?

 Hi John,

 The AW Spring '97 issue mailed to members should have a 2x4" decal stuck
 to the inside front page.  If you can't find it, please send a note and
 a SASE (self addressed stamped envelope) to
        LROA Decal, PO Box 130, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

-Michael

 PS- More decals are available for $2 each plus a SASE mailed to LROA.
 Displaying your decal helps club recognition and hopefully draws more
 members.  Purchasing additional decals helps offset our production cost. 
 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: FW: Selectro (Leaky) Hubs
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:39:04 -0700

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From:  Sussex Davis
Sent:  Wednesday, July 16, 1997 8:32 AM

Subject:  Selectro (Leaky) Hubs

How does one stop Selectro free-wheeling hubs from leaking gear oil 
from the outermost o-ring seal.  The hub becomes coated in oil, but 
there is no oil leaking into the break drum.  As far as I can see 
there are only 4 seals.

- Inner oil seal (heavy rubber, near bearing)
- Hub seal (paper, held in place by 6 bolts, rarely leaks)
- Felt / rubber seal (doesn't seem to actually do anything when 
Selectro hubs are installed)
- Flimsy o-ring (continually leaks and doesn't seem to be designed to 
really contain oil)

Are any of these seals designed to keep the gear oil from entering the 
Selectro cap (the thing you turn to engage the front axle)?

I have pulled the whole thing apart more times than I can remember and 
have never found a successful way of stopping the leaks.

Tx,

Sussex 1969IIA SWB

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:49:37 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: Selectro (Leaky) Hubs

> How does one stop Selectro free-wheeling hubs from leaking gear oil 
> from the outermost o-ring seal.  The hub becomes coated in oil, but 
> there is no oil leaking into the break drum.  As far as I can see 
> there are only 4 seals.
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> I have pulled the whole thing apart more times than I can remember and 
> have never found a successful way of stopping the leaks.
> there is no oil leaking into the break drum.  As far as I can see 
Have you tried new o-rings?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:50:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Testimony to the marque...

TeriAnn,

First thing I checked, was the bottoms of the U bolts. Not only are they all
there, but they're still nice and tight - all evenly tightened just like I
did it 1 year ago (when I installed new springs/shackles/bolts). The axle
pads have no apparent damage from 'pounding' on the springs, and the housing
does have that whitish/blueish tint, as if it had just come out of the
foundry! Had the bolts been loose, I'd imagine that this would have happened
much earlier in the past year, since it's a daily driver.

The guys at British Pacific summised that, the brake drum was so hot that it
simply      expanded, which would explain why the wheel spun freely on the
way home. I can't find ANY play in the wheel bearing by kicking the top of
the tire, so it can only be the brake that caused it.

I am just as supsised as you, that the tire didn't explode - must have been
my lucky day. (had my spare, and my tools with me, but not the Hi Lift!)

This weekend, I'll take it apart, and see what else was toasted, but since I
have an extra housing, I will do what's needed to get the truck back on the
road first - then I'll do the autopsy on the old housing.

Charles

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:28:21 -0500
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: sighting

IBM has a Land Rover on one of their web sites:
http://www.empl.ibm.com/

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:36:54
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: misc.

Dixon, thanks for the info. regarding the net.
 
to the net. I have located the bearins for my Warn Locking Hubs at
(info@warn.com). I know all the pros and cons of the hubs, but they came on
the Landy when purchased in 1971 and I'll just be leaving them locked most
of the time, TA.

Jim Wolf
Portsmouth, VA USA

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 02:10:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Website Update!

Just a note to those of you that have stopped by our club website(and those
of you that haven't!), I updated the layout of the site last night with
frames.  I think it's easier to navigate.  There's some new information
there, so please feel free to stop by!

Cheers!  John

P.S.  If you're interested in attending our River City Rally in August,
please E-mail me with your mailing address so I can send you some
information!

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323th Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1972 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:32:32 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: sighting

Watched a doccumentary on the telly last night about Christmas Island.

Within a span of 20 minutes, I counted 3 land rovers (a very nice SerI too)
in the background of the footage aired.

Looks like the place is crawling with rovers left over from the phospate
mining operations.

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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