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1 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u33Re: Why can't I bleed my clutch?
2 Duncan Phillips [dunk@iv16SIII Timing cover oil seal
3 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo42SIII Timing cover oil seal
4 BwanaE@aol.com 12A little help please
5 Michael Carradine [cs@cr27LR Oval Approved for Clubs
6 Bob Watson [bobw@microso19RE: LR Oval Approved for Clubs
7 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr51Re: LR Oval Approved for Clubs
8 car4doc [car4doc@concent12Sunvisor modifications?
9 CIrvin1258@aol.com 50Testimony to the marque...
10 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim9[not specified]
11 "Huub Pennings" [penning17 Re: Hello . . . where is everyone?


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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Why can't I bleed my clutch?
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 8:49:25 BST

I had loads of trouble bleeding my clutch on Sunday - when I replaced the
slave and the lower bit of the piping - ie. the whole system drained itself.

I tried using my Eezibleed. This seemed to work, but I had trouble getting a
good seal on the clutch top (because the resevoir is metal?). Also the
Eezibleed played up a bit, but I solved that.

I was also getting low on fluid - I should have checked how much I had before
hand!

What I did learn, was that it's sensitive to the amount of air in their.
One of my first attempts led to a partially working clutch. With the engine 
off, I could change gear with the clutch disengaged. With the engine on, I
couldn't!!

Another lesson was that the angled bit at the back of the slave, which the 
nipple goes in, is necessary - otherwise the nipple is not higher than the
slave (early SIIIs, and SIIs have a second pipe instead).
Paddocks didn't supply this angled bit with the slave/nipple combo, so I 
assumed I didn't need it...

In the end, I "went for broke" with the fluid I had. I put a tube on the
nipple, and topped the resevoir up as it drained. I managed to top it up 3
times. The clutch was okay then.
 

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:32:33 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: SIII Timing cover oil seal

Is it possible to change the timing cover oil seal for the crankshaft (on a
SIII 2.25 petrol) without removing the grill, front panel and radiator??.
Can it be done from underneath by removing the pulley wheel, etc.??

I spent sunday morning removing the sump and replacing the gasket, only to
find that it was the oil seal that had gone instead GRRRR!!!
*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:18:51 -0400
Subject: SIII Timing cover oil seal

Duncan Philips asks:

Is it possible to change the timing cover oil seal for the crankshaft (on a
SIII 2.25 petrol) without removing the grill, front panel and radiator??.
Can it be done from underneath by removing the pulley wheel, etc.??
I spent sunday morning removing the sump and replacing the gasket, only to
find that it was the oil seal that had gone instead GRRRR!!!

Yes, the second time. Not this time, though.

The first time this needs to be done  if the modification hasn't been done,
you need to remove all of the mechanical paraphanelia to get to the back of
the cover to replace the seal.

HOWEVER, while you have the cover off, you can make a 10-minute
modification that will save your patience forevermore.

After removing the front cover and the worn-out bit of rubber that called
itself a seal, dril off the backs of the rivets (8 of them, I think) that
hold the mud shield in place. For the uninitiated, that's the metal bit
that sits over the seal on the outside. Punch the rivets through with a
thin punch and remove the mud shield. Clean the mud shield and paint it if
you wish - can't hurt.

Tap the rivet holes in the cover for 4-40 or 6-32 screws (depending on the
rivet size and how sloppy you were with the drill) and replace the mud
shield with short stainless-steel screws and a coating of Hylomar on the
back. Also put sealer on the screw threads, else you'll get some seepage
around them.

Install the new seal and reassemble everything.

The next time the seal goes, you can pop the pulley, undo the screws,
replace the seal and reassemble in little time.

               Good luck - Alan

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:19:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A little help please

Could somebody foward to me the info for re-subscribing to the LRO-Digest
please?

The major seems to have dropped me as of last week.

Many thanks,  Eric.    < BwanaE@aol.com  >

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:51:40 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: LR Oval Approved for Clubs

July 1997 Land Rover Owner Int'l reports on page 12:

**Clubs win Rover oval approval**

  Land Rover clubs can continue using the trademarks and logos that have
been at the centre of a row between non-franchise traders and Rover Group.
  Philip Cooper, Rover's head of trademarks, said the company would not
interfere with clubs using the Land Rover oval, providing they were used for
regalia sold to club members.
  He told the annual meeting of Classic Car Clubs: "If it's a club logo on
club regalia for use of the members, that's fine.
  "But if there are things you want to do which fall under the heading of
commercial merchandise, then we will want to talk to you about that."
  He added that Rover and British Motor Heritage, which owns the trademarks,
would be examining the present system of clubs using its logos and
developing a club recognition scheme.
  "We're not simply proposing to go out and hit clubs on the head and ask
for money," he insisted.
  Rover says it has clamped down on the unauthorized use of its trademarks
and logos to ensure the integrity of its products.

**  

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: LR Oval Approved for Clubs
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:58:36 -0700

Maybe next they'll look into the assembly line...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Michael Carradine [SMTP:cs@crl.com]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Cc:	Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com; mendo_recce@off-road.com
> Subject:	LR Oval Approved for Clubs
	<snip>
>   Rover says it has clamped down on the unauthorized use of its
> trademarks
> and logos to ensure the integrity of its products.
> **  
> Cc:	Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com; mendo_recce@off-road.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:38:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: LR Oval Approved for Clubs

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Michael Carradine wrote:

>   Land Rover clubs can continue using the trademarks and logos that have
> been at the centre of a row between non-franchise traders and Rover Group.
>   Philip Cooper, Rover's head of trademarks, said the company would not
> interfere with clubs using the Land Rover oval, providing they were used for
> regalia sold to club members.

	The interesting question is whether they can interfere with some
of the older clubs in North America.  LR abandoned their trademarks etc
when they took off in 1974.  Some older clubs can show continuous use of
these trademarks from well before LRNA set up shop.  They gave up rights,
just as any franchised dealer from then still running is still a dealer.
(LRNA doesn't like to discuss this).  As I see it, back in the mid-late
seventies & early eighties, LR didn't stop ROAV, OVLR, and the other older
clubs to stop using these logos, they didn't when they re-entered the
market...  Make for an interesting case.  Do publicity & their reputation
no good to be seen stomping on enthusiasts and those promoting their
heritage & keeping it going.  Hence, be magnaminous and let them do what
they are already doing.

>   "But if there are things you want to do which fall under the heading of
> commercial merchandise, then we will want to talk to you about that."

	Define commercial...  If a club makes money selling stuff with the
LR logo is that commercial?  Can LROA only sell this stuff to LROA members
etc.?

>   He added that Rover and British Motor Heritage, which owns the trademarks,
> would be examining the present system of clubs using its logos and
> developing a club recognition scheme.

	Oh christ, here comes the BMW system where if you are not factory
recognised they will sue you...

>   "We're not simply proposing to go out and hit clubs on the head and ask
> for money," he insisted.

	They are proposing a complicated system of hitting the clubs on
the head and asking for money.

>   Rover says it has clamped down on the unauthorized use of its trademarks
> and logos to ensure the integrity of its products.

	In NA the court cases have centred around their date of re-entry
into the market in the couple cases I have heard about.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:29:49 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Sunvisor modifications?

Hi Alex,
 Hey I love the sunvisor & would like to know if you have made any with
vents(louvers) in them?  I would like to releave the drag caused by the
sunvisor & maybe the vents would let out the trapped air.
 Please let me know.
Regards, 
Rob Davis_chicago

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:47:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Testimony to the marque...

Drove up to visit my parents in Ontario (California, that is) on 06July, in
my 109 diesel. It's about a 60-65 mile drive from my house in Compton. In the
past, this particular truck has had the problem of the right-rear brake
dragging, which I thought I had cured, since it hasn't occurred again, in a
very long time.

Well...I was driving along the 60 freeway, and just about when I hit Diamond
Bar, the truck decided that it didn't want to do more than 45mph (even
without the overdrive, I can sometimes hit 65mph), and i began smelling what
smelled like a cooked engine! I pulled off, went directly to a gas station,
checked the radiator, and found that it was full, as was the oil level.

When going back to the side of the truck to hop in (it's right-hand drive), I
noticed smoke pouring out of the right-rear wheel! Since I was past the
"point of no return", I went on to my parents' house, and within a mile of
getting there, I broke a rear axle. No problem, I simply locked the front
end, and away I went. I made it back home, with no problems whatsoever out of
that brake.

This past weekend, I decided to replace both axles, so I picked up a set from
British Pacific. Upon removing the right axle, I found, to my dismay, that it
broke off at the inner end, thus the diff has to come out. I crawled under
the truck to drain the diff oil, and happened to glance at the leaf springs,
and my neighbors promptly hear the loudest "HOLY S&%T!" that they've ever
heard, because I spotted a good inch of sunlight BETWEEN the axle housing,
and the spring - yet the U - bolts were all intact!

Turns out, the rear end got so hot, that the axle housing actually melted,
and the right spring pulled the tops of the U - bolts THROUGH the top of the
axle housing!

...and I drove it 60-65 miles back home, with no problems. Had I known the
damage was this severe, I definately would have had second thoughts, but hey,
the truck made it, and those little U - bolts held up - even after being heat
treated!

Britpac - it you're out there, I'll take pictures of it before I take it
apart, as this one's definately one for the history books! I think I'll even
send a copy to LRO magazine!

Anybody else out there ever try this stunt?

Charles
1962 SIIA 109 diesel (bulletproof even when it is broken!)

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Subject: Hello . . . where is everyone?
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 11:00:54 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I go away on holiday for a while and when I get back everyone seems to 
have vanished, I used to get at least 50 messages a day from the lro list 
now its down to 4 or 5, whats going on.

swh

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:21:31 +0100
Subject:       Re: Hello . . . where is everyone?

Well Simon,

            we are all here,
            
                             where are you?????
                             Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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