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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:36:04 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: pots calling kettles

This exchange struck a nerve.

MC wrote:

>>>  and listed MM's address and phone as the point of contact.

Spenny replied:

>I should hope so, BTW are your publication dates any more regular? I am
>still waiting. I haven't been mailed an issue in close to 2 years,
>although I am still listed as a member in the last member list.

Now that you mention it, where does LROA get off criticizing anybody else?
When they clean up their own act, maybe they can throw a few mudpies. If
LROA has money to spend, maybe they can use it to straighten up their
mailings.

  _______
. |___|__\_==
. | _ |  | --]   Ned Heite,                ><DARWIN>
. =(O)-----(O)=  Camden, DE 19934           / \  / \
---------------------------------
"Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover (3 main bearing)
Explore Icelandic wool:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland---------
Recent research:  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html ----

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Jumping out of first gear
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 13:50:09 +0200 (DST)

Hi all,

I've a problem with my gearbox; when I drive down hill the gearbox jumps
out of the first gear. So I tried to go down when I hold the stick in the
first gear, but even than it is skipping out some short times.
Is there anyone how knows the solution? Is it an adjustment?

Joost Kramer
LR 88 SIII

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Subject: RE: Waxoyl and substitutes
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:54:58 -0400

>Franz said;  
>- I wouldn't consider it bad if the stuff  gets more or less liquid in
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>[Tackley, John]  Right, tough to keep it hot while spraying, though I think I
>prefer something less flammable, like varsol, mineral spirits, deisel or
>kerosene.

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:55:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Re:Carb leak

Hi everyone...

   Just to let everyone who gave me ideas on my carb leak problem it is now
solved, it was the timing chain! Yep, the chain had jumped a tooth or two
and the compression from the cylinders was pressureizing the fuel system
causing the carb to leak. The problem was discovered when the chain really
skipped and the crank turned about a quarter turn without moving the cam,
needless to say the engine wouldn't start. 24 hours later the chain and all
the worn parts were replaced and it was running again without the fuel leak
:). But I have another question for the list, it appears that the rear main
is leaking (like a sieve). How hard is it to change? Does it require
removing the gearbox or can it be done by just pulling the oil pan?

Thanks again to everyone that had ideas for me.

Keith
1961 Series II 88 petrol (2.25)

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 08:14:41 EST
Subject: Re: Jumping out of first gear

>I've a problem with my gearbox; when I drive down hill the gearbox jumps
>out of the first gear. So I tried to go down when I hold the stick in the
>first gear, but even than it is skipping out some short times.
>Is there anyone how knows the solution? Is it an adjustment?

Hey Joost
Its probably time for a rebuild. You can try repalcing the detent balls and 
springs, but its a hell of a lot of work for a negligible result. I tried 
adjusting my shift fork and I just ended up making 2nd pop out too. Ended 
up doing a complete rebuild, now it works fine.

Later
DaveB
arlington VA

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Paris, Non-LR related.

I'm off to Paris today for the tail-end of the Paris Air Show... any lro's in
the city? I'll be at the Hotel le Se'ze, after thursday the 19th and I'm
staying until the 23rd. It is my first time to Paris and I hope not to
embarass myself too badly with French I learned in English boarding school
12+ years ago! 

E-mail me at spyders@aol.com

Pat Parsons
93  110

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Waxoyl and substitutes
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:10:45 +0200 (MET DST)

John said:
| Right, tough to keep it hot while spraying, though I think I
| prefer something less flammable, like varsol, mineral spirits, deisel or
| kerosene.
Will work, too if they are not a sort of alcohol (I have some vocabulary 
difficulties with some of the names). Alcohol won't dissolve wax.

Let us know about the outcomes of your research.

cu.
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: 18 Jun 1997 09:22:13 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Body fillers

I have a few small holes and dents in the Birmabright that will need repair
before the paint goes on.  I'm considering using a lightweight body filler
(with screen for strength over the holes).  Does anyone have experience with
fillers and Birmabright?   None of the materials which I've read make any
reference to aluminum.

Rgds,

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88
Waterford, CT

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:33:10 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Body fillers

> I have a few small holes and dents in the Birmabright that will need repair
> before the paint goes on.  I'm considering using a lightweight body filler
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> fillers and Birmabright?   None of the materials which I've read make any
> reference to aluminum.

Jeff, 

The only problem I see is using the filler over the holes. Filler sucks up water
like a sponge...and so the exposed filler on the underside of the hole will
get wet, and the new paint will be bubbling off in no time. In general,
filler in a shallow dent is just fine...if it's deep, try and bang it out a bit
while holding something heavy againt the top side of the dent (to prevent
you going to far the other way!). As for the holes, I don't know a cheap
suggestion. BTW, to answer your first question...filler is fine on aluminum,
just make sure it's roughed up with sandpaper.

Marcus

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:39:23 +0000
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:09:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Body fillers

On 18 Jun 1997, LT J Jackson wrote:

> (with screen for strength over the holes).  Does anyone have experience with
> fillers and Birmabright?   None of the materials which I've read make any
> reference to aluminum.

	Er... :-)   Alumifill, Metaglass...  Works well with aluminium.
You can get some stuff that you can drill and tap (used on aircraft).  Any
good body shop supply house should havve the stuff.

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 18 Jun 97 07:59:41 MST
Subject: Lever spinning around

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
This happened to my 109 recently, and it turned out to be really simple
to fix. A set screw at the base of the shift lever had come loose. Just
had to tighten it up and I was on my way. Sounds like the same for
you???

Good luck, Dave Brown

 I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
 his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
 his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
 is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: "Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Subject: Waxoyl substitute
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:53:07 -0400

Hi all.

Don't think I'm going to be at OVLR -but I'll be at the Downeast if I =
have to walk.  (My 109 will be there too, if things go well over the =
next 48hrs)

Re Waxoyl -just started using mine and it's really great but $15 per =
liter is a little steep.  McMaster-Carr offers an "Outdoor Formulation, =
General-Purpose Rust Inhibitor -Waxy film dries in one hour, USDA =
authorized" in 10oz aerosols for $5 (nice stuff) and about $110 for a  5 =
gallon pail.  These are parts 10505k22 and 10505k24, shipping is cheap =
-actual UPS cost.

I'm all for a really cheap homebrew and agree that it would be best to =
thin the stuff with a volatile solvent (the less cancerous the better) =
instead of heating it up.  On the other hand I've cut two chunks out of =
my rear Xmember to clear out some crud inside my frame rails and it =
would be pretty easily to park on an incline and pour some really hot =
oily wax in there...

Also, there's nothing wrong with Elly-May but those shorts are called =
"Daisy Dukes" for a reason.  : - )

Chris Weinbeck
-no signature file on the notebook yet-

=00

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:01:58 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Performace Carbs for 2.25

 To All Series Owners,

        Some of you may have seen the "Power Feed" article in the Summer
Issue of LROI. A lot of good data was edited for space considerations so I
thought you might like to see the missing parts. Print this one out and
stick it into your magazine as a companion. Enjoy!

        Jim Allen

        Here's the part that tells you how to figure CFM requirements for
any engine at any speed.

 CFM=3D  rpm X displacement
       ____________________ X  volumetric efficiency
             3456

        Lets break the formula down.
        RPM: Usually the maximum rpm of the engine is used here but you can
plug
        in any engine speed.
        DISPLACEMENT: In cubic inches, the size of the engine.
        3456: This is a constant that converts the upper figure to CFM at 1.=
5"
        of merc.
        VOLUMETRIC EFFICIENCY (VE): This is the engine's theoretical
ability to
        breathe versus it's actual ability as measured in real life. VE vari=
es
        according to engine speed. It's higher at the engines maximum
torque (a
        low speed) and lower at the engines max power (a high speed). A low
        performance engine like the 2286 would have a 75% VE at max power
and an
        80% VE at max torque.

        Plugging in the four-cylinder numbers would look like this.

                          4250 rpm X 139.5 cid
           128.6621 CFM=3D _____________________  X  0.75
                                3456

        If you compare this figure to the tested ratings of the stock
carburetters, you'll find they match fairly closely. If you run one of
these engines, you will also know from personal experience that the engine
is definitely breathing hard above 3500 rpms. A slightly larger carb can
enhance upper rpm performance.

                                RE: Oil Bath Air Filters

        The original oil bath air cleaner has the theoretical airflow to
keep up with the engine. In practice, I have felt a big gain in power by
eliminating it. I was in a quandary on this question until Earl Davis,
K&N's dyno guru, explained a possible reason.
        "It isn't just raw airflow capacity, " he said, "it's also
velocity. If the air cleaner is slowing the velocity of the air, it could
effect performance." Earl noted that the 90 degree elbow and corrugated
hose might have a deleterious effect and recommended trying a smooth hose
and an elbow with a shallower radius and/or moving the radius farther away
from the carb by about 3-4 inches.
        Some owners have reported adapting the factory oil bath filter to
the big Weber two-barrels and claim good results. I have to reserve
judgement on this, having tested the combo with very poor results. At
3800rpm the engine fell flat on its face due to lack of airflow. Mike
Pierce reported similar results when he was developing his Weber 2-barrel
kit. Obviously, these folks never rev the engine much above 3500.

                        Some Test Data They Didn't Print

To save your calculator some wear and tear, I've run the figures for a 2286
from 2000 to 5000 rpm. Compare these figures with the airflow tests of the
various carbs, manifolds and air filters.

2286cc Theoretical Airflow Requirements
Engine RPM              CFM
2000 1                  64.6
2500 1 (peak torque)    80.7
3000 1                  96.7
3500 2                  105.9
4000 2                  121.1
4250 2 (peak power)     128.7
4500 2                  136.2
5000 2                  151.4
1- At 80% volumetric efficiency
2- At 75% volumetric efficiency

Single Barrel Carburetters
Carburetter     Orig. Application       Venturi Size    CFM Rating

Rochester       Chevrolet 230cid
Model BV=DD       6-cyl. mid-'60s=DD         30.9mm=DD         167CFM @ 1.5"

Weber
34-ICH
Aftermarket      Replacement for LR      29mm            138CFM @ 1.5"

Zenith
                LR Factory 2-1/4
                from engine suffix J
36-IV or IVE    (from about 1968)        27mm            127CFM @ 1.5"

                LR Factory 2-1/4
                to engine suffix J
Solex           (to about 1967)          28mm            115CFM @ 1.5"

=DD- Model B and BC Similar.

Two-barrel Carburetters
Carburetter     Original Application    Venturi Sizes   CFM Rating
Weber
38-DGAS =DD=DD      Various                 36/36mm         424CFM @ 1.5"

Weber
28/36-DCD=DD=DD=DD    Various                  26/27mm        224CFM @ 1.5"

Weber
32/34-DMTL=DD=DD=DD   LR Factory
                2-1/4 & 2-1/2
                from 1983               26/27mm         194CFM @ 1.5"

Weber
32/36-DGV=DD=DD=DD    Aftermarket in kit
                for 2-1/4               26/27mm         191CFM @ 1.5"

=DD=DD- Simultaneous opening 2 barrel.
=DD=DD=DD- Progressive opening 2-barrel

Air Cleaners
Original Application            Type                    CFM Rating

Aftermarket-
K&N Part #RU-0600
for 1-barrel Zenith/Weber       Oiled Cotton Gauze      1554 CFM @ 1.5" merc

Aftermarket-
K&N Part #56-1030
for Weber DGV                   Oiled Cotton Gauze      617 CFM @ 1.5" merc

LR Factory-
for original 1-barrel
applications                    Oil Bath                 190 CFM @ 1.5" merc

Intake Manifolds
Type                            CFM Rating
Pierce 2-barrel as comes in
Weber 2-barrel kit              297CFM @ 1.5"

=46actory 1-barrel, modified      235CFM @ 1.5"

=46actory 1-barrel, unmodified    189CFM @ 1.5"

(Modified manifold has had locating sleeve removed and inside edges
radiused towards ports)

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:35:16 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Compression testing

I found what looks to be a great engine for Dad a few weeks ago and he's
just tested the compression.If I recall correctly the figures he read
range between 148 and a low of 142.
Are these acceptable figures for a 2.25 litre engine?
The odometer read 30,000 miles on the 109 pickup it came from and the
general condition of it(except the frame)would seem to confirm that.
Regards,
Steve

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:41:50 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Compression testing

At 01:35 PM 6/18/97 -0700, Steve Stoneham wrote:
:I found what looks to be a great engine for Dad a few weeks ago and he's
:just tested the compression.If I recall correctly the figures he read
:range between 148 and a low of 142.
:Are these acceptable figures for a 2.25 litre engine?
:The odometer read 30,000 miles on the 109 pickup it came from and the
:general condition of it(except the frame)would seem to confirm that.

 Steve,

 142-148 psi are very good readings for the 2.25.  The fact that
 they only 6 pounds apart is even better!

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597
 

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Allen's Pond???

It's coming soon. Anyone have info. For that matter, is anyone going?

Bill McDonald

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:27:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Beauty's Progress

We are in the final hours of installation. Wires and hoses at this point.
Hope to have it done fro British Car Day, which I think is htis weekend in
Bowie, MD. Anyone know for sure?

Bill McDonald
'69 109" Safari- Beauty
'66 MGB- The Race Car
'75 Honda CB400F SuperSport- Red Rocket
'78 Honda GL1000 Goldwing Interstate- Beasty

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:50:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Compression testing

On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  142-148 psi are very good readings for the 2.25.  

	For a 7:1 engine.  You want around 165 (roughly) for an 8:1.
	Just because it is a 109 doesn't mean that it is a 7:1 after
	all these years.  Head could have been planed etc...

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:39:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: D90's

       I got home today and had a message from a guy regarding our club.
Said he wanted to talk about Defenders.  So I called him.  He told me that
he and a bunch of other guys bought 40 '97 Defender 90's in San Diego hoping
to rent them out.  They couldn't get insurance as cheaply as they had hoped
to do this deal, so are wanting to sell them.  He said he had kept one for
himself, but wanted to let me know for the club that they are available at
what it cost them to buy from the dealerships, including freight, etc.  Of
the 40, 39 are soft top, mostly yellow or black with one Arles Blue SW.  The
guy's name was Mark.  I said I'd pass the word on.  His number if you're
interested is 800-756-2243.  Sounded very legit on the phone.
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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From: zed@interaccess.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:53:53 -0600
Subject: bumped?

i must have been bumped from the digest again. . .
last digest received was 05 June.

what's uh, the deal, and do i need to re-send a subscribe message?

thanks,
mark

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:27:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Beauty's Progress / BCD Bowie MD

The original British car day is this SUNDAY June 22 at Allen Pond park Bowie
MD just off 301 and 197 
Rgds Quintin Aspin 

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:28:59 -0700
From: Simon Barclay <sbarcla@ibm.net>
Subject: Defender - wipers (not so synchronized!)

Hi all

I have an interesting situation with my Defender 130’s wipers.  It’s RHD
so the wipers park on the left.  Recently I noticed that the right-hand
wiper was sloppy in operation while the left hand side operated normally
in a crisp sort of fashion.  

By sloppy I mean there is often up to 3 - 4 inches free movement at the
end of each stroke - but not all the time.  If you try moving the wiper
around manually there doesn’t appear to be any slack at all, but as you
watch them in operation the left hand one clearly starts on it’s stroke
before the other one.

Earlier this week the vehicle was in for it’s 30,000Km service and I
asked the guys to have a look at this problem.  "Wipers inspected OK"
was on the job sheet - but the problem persists!!  I am now told that
this is quite normal and that they have brand new vehicles in the yard
that have the same idiosyncrasy (my word not theirs)!  They also said
that there was no point in changing the mechanism as the new unit could
well be the same.

Has anyone else noticed this little problem, or come up with a
solution???  Is this in fact normal - ie they leave the factory like
this!!

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.......

Simon Barclay

Sydney 
Australia

'96 Defender 130 (ex Calvert Expedition)
'52 Series 1 80
'51 Series 1 80

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:05:45 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Waxoyl substitutes

John  Tackley is trying to come up with a substitute for Waxoyl

Waxoyl ain't the only game on the block, though it may be the best.  Several 
other substitutes may be available in 35# (5 gal) pails or 30 gal drums.  
Try Texaco's "Rustproofing Compound L" or Cosmoline sourced from a surplus 
dealer.  Texaco used to make "FloCoat" a rustproofing compound for ship's 
holds. You'd flood the hold, then dump in a barrel of FloCoat. It would 
float.  As the water was pumped out, it would adhere to all the surfaces.  
You might be able to find this as well, though it's no longer made.  Sticks 
like baby poop to a blanket and "creeps" as well.  

If'n I can find a secure container, I'll send you some Waxoyl for analysis.  
EPA rates it as "hazardous" right now....  Then again, if *everyone* sends 
you an ounce or two, you'll have buckets o' the stuff.  Pretty clever.... Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: re: Dukes of Hazzard (Zero LR - sorry)

At 07:13 PM 6/17/97 +0200, you wrote:
>:(Dukes of Hazzard, for our more civilized foreign freinds, was a late 70's
>:show about two brothers and their souped up dodge charger.  They went
>:zipping around the southern countryside getting into trouble with the local
>:(corrupt) law/powers-that-be, and generally saving the day.)
 
>Sorry Uncle, but you neglected to mention that the D.O.H. was pure unmitigated 
>crap.

Well, I didn't say it was good...  Besides, sometimes it's helpful after a
stressful day, to just sit there and not have to think (other than to wipe
up the drool after Daisy swishes by...)

>PS. I think our vehicles are more akin to those featured in 'The Beverly 
>Hillbillies' anyway. And the ahem, "better looking" cast member was at least 
>typecast with more brains and common sense than Daisy Duke.

Oh, I dunno, I never thought Miss Hathaway was all that cute!  8^)  

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: re: Dukes of Hazzard (Zero LR - sorry)

At 08:00 AM 6/18/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> unmitigated crap.
 
>Crap it may have been, but it *did have* Daisy Duke's legs! 
 
Yeah, and how many *good* shows do you know that have started a fashion
craze?  (Love them Daisy Dukes!  And, btw, for them what doesn't shop
for/with their female friends/selves, "Melrose Place" is a definite style,
and I wouldn't exactly call that a pinnacle televisual programming...)

Okay, now I've gone *waaaayyy* off the edge of non-lr-ness...  Ummmm...  I
think on Beverly Hills 90210 (a similarly horrible show) somebody drives a
D90?  Ummm...  ah!  It was during an episode of Melrose that my sister and
girlfriend (<-- two people, not one) spotted a D90(?) in an ad for the Brad
Pitt/Mel Gibson movie, the devil's own...  There!  Whew!  Saved!  (Thank
goodness this ain't the Dressage list!  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:41:18 -0400
From: Jeffrey Todd Fisher <jtfishe1@eos.ncsu.edu>
Subject: subscribe

-- subscribe me please
Jeff Fisher

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: 109 in Idaho

This is not my vehicle.  I am posting for someone in Idaho.  There is a 1964
109 sw for sale in Idaho and this can be seen on my web site at:
www.seanet.com/~scooper    I cannot attest to conditon or value.
John Cooper 1969 11a
www.seanet.com/~scooper

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:15:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: SB 42 Assembly Committee Hearing

Don't know if this has been posted here yet, but thought all you California
folks (other than myself) would be interested.

Charles

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Forwarded message:
From:	Ron.Schramm@GAT.COM (Ron Schramm)
Sender:	owner-british-cars@autox.team.net
Reply-to:	Ron.Schramm@GAT.COM (Ron Schramm)
To:	ad008@lafn.org ('Paul Horkin'), british-cars@autox.team.net
(british-cars@autox.team.net)
Date: 97-06-18 20:24:26 EDT

What makes you say that it appears they punted?  You have included only a
copy of the bill summary.  There is no indication of the action (if any)
taken by the transportation committee.  I heard that the Transportation
Committee referred the bill to the Appropriations Committee for their review.
 Is this correct?

-----Original Message-----
From:	Paul Horkin [SMTP:ad008@lafn.org]
Sent:	Wednesday, June 18, 1997 2:07 PM
To:	british-cars@autox.team.net
Subject:	SB 42 Assembly Committee Hearing

Rec'd ff msg from Senate server.  Appears that they punted--postponed
til?

                                                               BILL
ANALYSIS
>                                                                       SB 42
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>  EXISTING STATE LAW requires all motor vehicles manufactured for the 1966
> model-year and thereafter, to participate in the motor vehicle inspection
and
> maintenance program, and to obtain a smog check certificate or certificate
of
> non-compliance biennially, upon transfer of ownership, or upon registration
of
> a vehicle previously registered outside the state.
>  FISCAL EFFECT:  Potential loss of revenue to Bureau of Automotive Repair

of
> smog certificate fees of $1.8 million in FY 1997-8 (six months), increasing
to
> $3.8 million annually by FY 1999-00.
>  COMMENTS: The author introduced this measure, and states that it is

difficult
> for aging cars to pass smog tests because original parts are difficult to
> locate, new testing procedures are arbitrary and make it difficult for
older
> vehicles to pass, and that testing cutpoints have been set at levels more
> stringent than original manufacturer's specifications which are impossible
for
> older vehicles to meet.
> The author further states that the number of vehicles which would be

exempted
> from the smog check program is relatively small, those model years between
> 1966 and 1973 which, according to the author, total 219,000 vehicles.
> According to the author, he has received over 8,000 communications in
support
> of the bill.
>  How Many Cars are Effected?  According to the California Air Resources
> According to the author, he has received over 8,000 communications in
Board,
> over 200,000 vehicles would be exempted in the South Coast Air Basin,
causing
> an increase of three tons per day in air pollutants based on an average use
of
>                                                                       SB 42
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> [BLANK]
>                                                                       SB 42

>                                                                      Page 3
> 5,000 miles/year.  However, this estimate is based on exempting only those
> vehicles which were manufactured for seven years between 1966 and 1973.
>                                                                      Page 2
 Since
> the bill provides a "rolling exemption" for vehicles 25 years or older,
each
> year another model-year would be exempted, ultimately exempting up to
75,000
> more cars statewide in 1999, 80,000 more in 2000, and so on.
>  How Clean or Dirty are These Cars?  According to the Department of
> vehicles which were manufactured for seven years between 1966 and 1973.
Consumer
> Affairs, the initial number of vehicles exempted by the bill is modest,
> approximately 5 percent of the vehicle fleet.  However, this relatively
small
> number of vehicles is responsible for 11 percent of the smog test  failure
rate
> of the entire vehicle fleet.  While many of these vehicles may be owned by
> collectors and hobbyists which maintain their vehicles and drive them very
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> emissions inventory.
>  Who Makes Up the Difference for Increased Mobile Emissions?  While the
author
> claims that the initial three tons/day of increased emissions in the South
> Coast Basin is negligible, it represents 2.7 percent of the total statewide
> emissions reductions attributable to the Smog Check II program.  As the
number
> of vehicles exempted from the program increase with time, there will be a
> resulting increase in emissions.  If California is to achieve the emissions
> reductions attributable to the Smog Check II program as promised in the
SIP,
> those who remain subject to the program will have to meet even higher
> standards to offset these increases.
>  Why Not a Part of the Overall Discussion on Smog Check II?  The
> emissions inventory.
administration
> and the Inspection and Maintenance Review Committee appointed by the
Governor,
> Speaker and Senate Rules Committee is currently holding hearings statewide
to
> develop recommendations to revise the current Smog Check II program.
> The Assembly stripped and passed several measures to the Senate to provide
> vehicles for any consensus arrived at between the Legislature and Governor
> emissions inventory.
on
> changes to Smog Check II including AB 57 (Escutia), AB 208 (Migden), AB 999
> (Thomson), AB 1492 (Baugh), AB 1368 (Villaraigosa), and AB 1521 (Murray).
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> measure until the administration makes their plan known and comprehensive
> discussions can take place, or alternatively, to amend the measure and move
it
> along as a potential Conference Committee vehicle as the Committee did with
> all the related Assembly bills.
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>  Analysis prepared by:  John Stevens / atrns / (916)445-8800
>                                                                       SB 42
>                                                                      Page 4

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From: bent@boehlers-dk.com (Bent Böhlers)
Subject: Re: Body fillers
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:47:04 GMT

Marcus Tooze wrote:

The only problem I see is using the filler over the holes. Filler 
sucks up water like a sponge...and so the exposed filler on the 
underside of the hole will get wet, and the new paint will be bubbling

off in no time. In general, filler in a shallow dent is just fine...if

 it's deep, try and bang it out a bit while holding something heavy 
againt the top side of the dent (to prevent you going to far the other

way!). As for the holes, I don't know a cheap suggestion. BTW, to 
answer your first question...filler is fine on aluminum, just make 
sure it's roughed up with sandpaper.

It is possible to cover the hole with aluminium net, and then use 
a two component filler for GRP boats. The ship paint company 
called "International" and also "Hempel" have it. 
It is used for GRP under the waterline, and I have myself used it 
for a heavy dent, about 2.5 sqr cm GRP missing, and until now, 
it is OK. Thats 5 year approximately 1.5m below surface in the 
Baltic area.

Btw, they also produce somthing called "light primer", 2 component 
primer for boats iron keel. maybe good for the frame.

Happy rovering

Bent

* Bent Boehlers                            *
* bent@boehlers-dk.com                     *
* http://www.boehlers-dk.com               *
* http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542  *

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:15:33 +0100
From: Alain-Jean PARES <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Paris, Non-LR related.

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I'm off to Paris today for the tail-end of the Paris Air Show... any
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> E-mail me at spyders@aol.com
> Pat Parsons
> 93  110

I Live near Paris, at 70 km south, my Landie doesn't work yet (too much
smoke). Where is your hotel ? I'll go to Paris Sunday in the afternoon
and stay for a while (to eat). 

Give me a phone call when you will be here. I'll be home saturday night.
or monday morning (not to early...)

Alain-Jean PARES
Fontainebleau, FRANCE

Phone 0164783811
Fax   0164783802
Work  0164783801

Where do you live ?

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Defender - wipers (not so synchronized!)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 08:55:00 PDT

The wipers on my 110 are decidedly erratic in their motion, the wipers will 
park anywhere between the bottom of the screen to 6 inches up the screen. 
The last set of blades split because of impact with the drivers side edge of 
the screen. My friend's 110 shows the same behaviour.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: Simon Barclay
Subject: Defender - wipers (not so synchronized!)
Date: 19 June 1997 10:28

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Hi all

I have an interesting situation with my Defender 130=92s wipers.  It=92s =
RHD
so the wipers park on the left.  Recently I noticed that the right-hand
wiper was sloppy in operation while the left hand side operated normally
in a crisp sort of fashion. 

By sloppy I mean there is often up to 3 - 4 inches free movement at the
end of each stroke - but not all the time.  If you try moving the wiper
around manually there doesn=92t appear to be any slack at all, but as you
watch them in operation the left hand one clearly starts on it=92s stroke
before the other one.

Earlier this week the vehicle was in for it=92s 30,000Km service and I
asked the guys to have a look at this problem.  "Wipers inspected OK"
was on the job sheet - but the problem persists!!  I am now told that
this is quite normal and that they have brand new vehicles in the yard
that have the same idiosyncrasy (my word not theirs)!  They also said
that there was no point in changing the mechanism as the new unit could
well be the same.

Has anyone else noticed this little problem, or come up with a
solution???  Is this in fact normal - ie they leave the factory like
this!!

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.......

Simon Barclay

Sydney
Australia

'96 Defender 130 (ex Calvert Expedition)
'52 Series 1 80
'51 Series 1 80

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:33:48 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Red Lead Downeast

Red lead paint, the thick red-orange stuff that is great for protecting
steel, is available at Rockland Boat in Rockland, ME. It would be close
by for anyone attending the Downeast Rally. This should be an ideal
primer for LR chassis, axles, etc. Note that it is labeled "For
Industrial and Marine Use Only". LRs are considered industrial in some
quarters. Just make sure children and pets don't chew on you LR.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: The Lucasian Daemon Strikes!
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 10:09:40 BST

Something that might amuse our American friends:

Readers of the UK list will know I'm changing/rebuilding my headlights.
Anyway, it came to pass that the local Lucas shop/garage/thingy was the best
place to go. Phoned them up - sure enough they've got all the bits
including 24v halogen bulbs. So, off I trot after work.

Turn up, we checked things out, and they look like their bits will fit, but
guess what?

Yep, their computer was down! A certain irony as you might say.

This was actually a good thing, as it meant they had to charge me trade
prices. Oh, and I got 12.5 kilos (a decade's supply?) of heavy-duty
handcleaner for 12 quid - bargain!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: The Lucasian Daemon Strikes!
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:20:07 +0200 (MET DST)

Richard writes:
| Anyway, it came to pass that the local Lucas shop/garage/thingy was the best
| place to go. Phoned them up - sure enough they've got all the bits
| including 24v halogen bulbs. So, off I trot after work.

| Turn up, we checked things out, and they look like their bits will fit, but
| guess what?

| Yep, their computer was down! A certain irony as you might say.

Didn't know that Lucas makes computers ;-)
At least if they did, I'd doubt they would use them themself.
cu.
Franz
ps. Where is that store? Might be a good place to get some cheap
parts, when I go to Scotland in 3 weeks.
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: The Lucasian Daemon Strikes!
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 10:24:38 BST

> Richard writes:
> | Anyway, it came to pass that the local Lucas shop/garage/thingy was the best
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> Didn't know that Lucas makes computers ;-)
> At least if they did, I'd doubt they would use them themself.

> ps. Where is that store? Might be a good place to get some cheap
> parts, when I go to Scotland in 3 weeks.

This particular on is in the centre of Crawley (W. Sussex). I believe they're
all over the place. Must be on in Edinburgh and/or Glasgow...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: The Lucasian Daemon Strikes!
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:35:30 +0200 (MET DST)

Richard,
| This particular on is in the centre of Crawley (W. Sussex). I believe they're
| all over the place. Must be on in Edinburgh and/or Glasgow...
Thanks. I particularly thought of the one where you have been. Just
because of computer ;-)
cu.
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: "Alec Diamond" <alec@telmar.co.za>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:23:59 +0200
Subject: Snorkle for a Land Rover Defender 200TDi

Hi All

I normally only mail to the South African mailing list but as the price of accessories in this 
country is so high I thought I would try this list instead for a bit of help.

I am looking for a bonnet  spare wheel bracket mounting kit as well as a snorkel for a 
Defender 200 TDi.  I have had prices from the UK for these but at our exchange rate the cost 
is equally as exorbitant.  I feel that sourcing this from perhaps Australia may be cheaper.

Does anyone have a contact number or email address for a supplier or dealer in Australia that 
I could possibly contract to get prices on this??

Would you please address your mail directly to me.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Alec

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             Sandton Gauteng South Africa          
              Internet: alec@telmar.co.za  
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