Land Rover Owner Message Digest Contents

[ First Message Last | Table of Contents | <- Digest -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]

The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Send Submissions Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:53:55 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)
Subject: Re: 

unsubscribe-list

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:03:58 EST
Subject: Re: Salisbury Axle questions

>No loose castle nuts, all tight as a drum - but I did notice a measure of 
>backlash in the rear differential, I'd gues it was about 15 degrees - 

Normal.

> i don't want to incur workshop time on a fault which is caused by 
>something I have done!

not possible. The problem is in the 'box. First order of business is to 
pull the cover and slide the 1/2 synchro hub back onto 1st gear. This 
exposes the synchro teeth on 2nd gear and its synchro ring (brass thing) 
for you to inspect. Then slide the hub up onto second gear and see that it 
engages right.

later
DaveB.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:16:51 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Terje Krogdahl <terje@multix.no>
Subject: Re: Oily endeavour?

On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> This is a new one on me - so besides not driving the beast, what do i do
> - should I suspect the oil pump? how do I check this? I understand it's
> a very oily endeavour!

I'd suspect the gauge. You should be able to check if the pump is pumping
by removing the oil filler cap / valve cover breather (depends on wether
the cap is on the valve cover or not) and looking inside with the engine
running. If more oil appears when running, the pump must be pumping and
you should get at least _some_ pressure. I can think of several other
things to remove to check this, but they are all rather messy...

Have you done any work on the oil filter recently? A classic mistake is to
fit one of BritPac's spin on adapters the wrong way around. Kind of stops
the flow...

TK
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

telnet 144.92.240.17 666
**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--
Terje Krogdahl              NetCenter AS          Phone   +47 6711 3500
E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lysaker Torg 25       Fax     +47 6711 3501
                            N-1324, Lysaker       Direct  +47 6711 3657

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 08:14:05 EST
Subject: Re: New member

>Just signed up a new club member today - Don Beyer - *lieutenant governor* 
>for the Commonwealth of Virginia.  As the current front-runner in the 
>gubernatorial elections, come this November, you liable to see a white '95 
>Discovery (with ROAV decal) and the Virginia liscense plate "1".  Cheers

he be comin to the rally, eh?
so, he goin on the off-road, or what?

I got a tow-chain with his name on it...

later
Dave

------------------------------

From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:44:35 -0400
Subject: Re: New political-type member of ROAV:

Careful with the tow-chain, Dave. With your luck, his bodyguards would
consider it a weapon - and we can't have you getting busted this close to
Ottawa, can we?

               aj"Naaaaahhhhh....."r

------------------------------

From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:53:53 -0400

On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Adrian Redmond wrote:
> This is a new one on me - so besides not driving the beast, what do
i do
> - should I suspect the oil pump? how do I check this? I understand
it's
=D8	a very oily endeavour!
=D8=09
Probably just the sending unit or gauge itself.  Check this.

Does the green Oil pressure light come on with just the ignition
switch in the 'run' or 'on' position ?  If so, good...this indicates
circuit is OK.  (ya, ya, ya, I realize what I just said.....)

Does it go out within just a few seconds of starting ?  If so,
GOOD...means you have indeed got some oil pressure and indicates a
problem with the sending unit (most likely) or gauge.
If the green oil light does not go out upon start up, don't continue
to run it.  Check first the ground leads on the pressure switch on the
oil filter assembly.  A lead could simply be off or have a poor
connection.  Gauge works via variable ground, so a poor or
non-existent connection at this point produces similar symptoms to
yours.  If connections are OK, suspect the sending unit itself.  Next
the gauge.  If all OK, time to dig further into the oil pump.
Remember the KISS principle.  Most problems are caused by the simplest
things.  Don't overcomplicate them.
L8r. and good luck.

John Tackley
'70 SIIA 88 - (no name, ("Runswithaknock"?) and just acquired; parked
in '82 with main bearing knock)
'74 SIII 88 - "Gen. Lee"
Richmond, VA

------------------------------

From: Chuque Henry <ChuqueH@isco.com>
Subject: Spinning shifter
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:31:07 -0500

I went to put the Rover in reverse last night, and the lever spun
around.  I can still get it into gears, but it's a little awkward with
it wanting to spin clock-wise when I move the lever to the left.  Anyone
know how to fix this?

-Q
"Where Did I Go Today?"
1970 Series IIa 88 Land Rover "Narnook"
1977 Series I Lotus Esprit (#118)
 

------------------------------

From: "Richard P. Biby" <rich@comm-data.com>
Subject: IIA Up and Running
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:42:14 -0400 (EDT)

I can't believe it! I purchased a 71 IIA sight unseen from
Mr. Peter Baron in NY (car located in Toronto), from a posting
a friend of Peter's made here. At first, it looked like
I was too late to get the bugger, but as fate had it, 
the first purchaser in line could not make a decision,
and my new baby was transported, to Northern Virginia.

I had a friend take the lead on repainting it, and I managed
to get the small electrical and misc. other stuff running,
and presto! 6 weeks later, I have the geekey Amateur Radio 
license plates on it, through inspection and now on the
road as a strong daily driver.

I've never had such a complete Rover. Heck, I'm used to
spending a years to convince one to go around the block.
Inspection had been like a fantasy to me, but not this
time. The relationship seems balanced, sensible, mutual
and I believe we can stand the test of time. We could
use a few new door seals to keep my left knee dry,
but I'm sure we'll pull through in the long haul.

Now if I can just figure the soft top hardware out...

Just wanted to share a little of my joy with 'yall.

Thanks for listening,
Rich

-- 
Richard P. Biby, P.E.   KD4DSX   703/558.0505  Fax 703/558.0523
-->   Root Emergency Procedure: type "rm -rf / <cr>"    <--

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Spinning shifter
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 14:42:14 BST

> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I went to put the Rover in reverse last night, and the lever spun
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> know how to fix this?
> -Q

Me! Me! Me! I think I know this one! :-)

This was my *first* Land Rover problem - I'd only bought it the day before,
and was travelling home on the A1 from my parents. Lots of roundabouts, and
pulling out of one of them it goes as you describe (I was trying to get into
2nd or 3rd). I was still getting used to the gearstick...
I managed to drive home (150 miles?) in 4th all the way, except for getting 
down into 2nd for the tolls at Dartford! :-)

Not knowing much, I lifted the floor and tunnel. Also, not having any
decent spanners or screwdrivers, it took a while.

Anyway, the problem is that a little grubscrew/pin has fallen out of that
cast bit of aluminium that houses the gearstick-ball. The grubscrew fits
into a slot into the ball, so restricting its movement.

They cost less than a pound - quite a common part. Buy a 2 or 3 incase you
have further problems.
You *don't* have to lift the tunnel, just prise the grommet/boot off, at
the base of the gearstick. The screw goes in the hole on the righthand side
(I would guess its the same for lh and rh drive).

It its like mine, you'll end up replacing the gearstick with a 2ndhand one,
only to find this has a worn end. Then eventually taking the two apart 
and rebuilding one decent one out of the bits, and finding the original
missing grubscrew stuck at the base of the slot...

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Spinning shifter

In a message dated 6/16/97 9:34:05 AM, you wrote:

>I went to put the Rover in reverse last night, and the lever spun
>around.  I can still get it into gears, but it's a little awkward with
>it wanting to spin clock-wise when I move the lever to the left.  Anyone
>know how to fix this?

Take it to the southern hemisphere; it will then want to spin
anti-clock-wise, cacelling out the effect. ;-)

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Spinning shifter
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 14:51:33 BST

> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Take it to the southern hemisphere; it will then want to spin
> anti-clock-wise, cancelling out the effect. ;-)

Or drive along the equator, and you'll be okay...       :-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: LR restoration times...

Good Morning fellow roverphiles,

I have but one question for the lot of you:

How do you successfully light a fire under the arse of a local independent
LR mechanic to finish the restoration that was started over 2 years ago?

Here's the story:
He is one of the great LR mechanics (ie he can still rebuild a tranny with
his teeth and a wooden mallet), and he has done all of the work so far
extremely inexpensively, primarily due to his large inventory of second
hand LR parts.  But for the past nine months to a year, he has had more
business from people who use their rigs as DD's and require repairs right
away.  I would love to help him complete the restore but time is a very
precious commodity.  I know he has done a few general rebuilds (motor,
hubs, diffs, the like, but not a complete rebuild) over the past few
months, and as I am thinking seriously about selling my car, I would love
to have the thing running YESTERDAY!  As it sits, I have all of the parts.
It is currently (and has been for some time) sitting as a rolling chassis
with the engine in place.  He turns over the engine for me every weekend
with the hand crank to make sure it doesn't freeze up.

What can I do?  (Drawing and Quartering obviously will not work as then I
would be less one LR mechanic:})

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Keep the faith (hey, BMW bought rover, didn't they?)

:} Steve S.

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
	|  \______|_____/   |______|_______\\___|________|__
	|___________________|_______________|---------------\
	|  []    []    []   |		    | 0		    |)
	|                   |--]	    |               |		
       _|    /	 OOOOO      |		    |      OOOOO    |__
      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:58:18 -0700
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: 

Tackley, John wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Adrian Redmond wrote:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> oil filter assembly.  A lead could simply be off or have a poor
> connection.  Gauge works via variable ground, 

Wasn't this a mechanical gauge? I deleted the original message.

T Spoto      '72' 88"   '67' 88"

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:58:20 -0700
Subject: Springs as such
From: manickam@juno.com (Joseph A Manickam)

A growing concern of mine are the front leaf springs on my SIIA 109
pick-up.  They are sagging.  They've been this way since I bought the
truck two years ago.  When I got underneath to check the specs on them,
they seem to down by about an inch on both sides.  (The rear are within
spec.)  As far as I could see, none of the leaves are cracked.  Is it
safe to drive under such conditions?  When do I need to get serious about
replacing them?  Is it possible to revive them somehow? 

I'm also looking for a used soft-top for this truck.   I would prefer a
full-length but would consider a 3/4 top also.  Would anyone have one
they want to sell or know of anyone who may have one available?  Thanks.

Joe Manickam
1963 109 pick-up
manickam@juno.com
Pasadena, CA
(818) 577-5467

------------------------------

From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New member

Its worse than that.  In his campaign ads, he says that as governor, he will
be the first business owner in years, and the first "mechanic"  Only problem,
his ASE certification expired ten years ago.

BTW, LT GOV Beyer just opened the new LR Centre in Alexandria, VA not to long
ago.  

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

------------------------------

From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:53:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New member

Its worse than that.  In his campaign ads, he says that as governor, he will
be the first business owner in years, and the first "mechanic"  Only problem,
his ASE certification expired ten years ago.

BTW, LT GOV Beyer just opened the new LR Centre in Alexandria, VA not to long
ago.  

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

------------------------------

From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 12:14:50 EST
Subject: Re[2]: New member

>Its worse than that.  In his campaign ads, he says that as governor, he will
>be the first business owner in years, and the first "mechanic"  Only problem,
>his ASE certification expired ten years ago.

Which makes him perfectly qualified to work on current Land-Rover systems, since
they are rather archaic.

Or so I've been told

later
DaveB.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:00:10 -0400
From: Stephen Brown <sbrown@trek.ned.ara.com>
Subject: Source for Whitworth Stuff!!!

Eureka!

I was just looking at stuff on the internet and I found this important
jewel -- A guy who sells Whitworth stuff. After about 4-5 years as a
landrover owner, and having not been able to replace some lost bolts,
I was pleased to finally find a source for them. I'm not affilaited
with this company at all (despite the same exceedingly common
English/Scottish surname) nor have I ordered anything - just wanted to
pass this along. I

Stephen Brown
Brookfield, Vermont
1960 Series II 88

Here's an excerpt from: http://www.majon.com/www/british.html

----------------------
British Tools and Fasteners (WHITWORTH) Also cad plating kits

                     Do-it-yourself Mini cadmium plating Kits.

                     One Stop Shopping for British Tools And Fasteners

   For those of you out there that dabble in British cars and bikes,
we probably have what you're looking for in whitworth form --- be it
nuts and bolts (zinc or stainless) or other things like:

                           Here are some of the products that we carry.
                                 * taps and dies (singles or sets)
                                    * sockets and wrenches
                                * thread rolling tools (incl. spoke)
                                        * thread gauges
                                         * thread files
                                         * helicoil sets
                                        * grease nipples
                                      * various size studs
                                  * Springs all shapes and sizes

                         All above in BA, BSF BSW and BS CYCLE sizes.

                              British Tools and Fasteners

                                        Phillip Brown
                                      2030 Andre Avenue
                                      Los Osos, CA 93402
                                            USA
                                    boltnut@ix.netcom.com
                                        (805) 528-0418
                                     FAX: (805) 528-0358

------------------------------

From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 97-06-16 07:05:31 EDT, you write:

<< >I just talked with a guy called Joseph in NC who is selling imported
 >rovers. 
     Ok, I'll believe that.
 
 >He seemed OK, 
      I may not believe that (see below) >>

I know him. His name is Joseph Kemp and he lives in Wake Forrest NC ( not the
university, that's in Winston-Salem...he's north of Raleigh)

Joe is a decent guy I guess, but he sure has a lot of contempt for what I
feel is his buying public. His wife, and American spends a awful lot of time
talking about how US owners don't know sh*t about their trucks. My response
was that we know at least as much, possibly more than alot of Brits I met in
the UK, because thay have the option of taking theirs to ANY local garage for
repairs while we, no matter what our financial status is, have all had plenty
of experince repairing our own trucks, and I know far more Yanks who've done
frame up restorations than Brits. Necessity being the mother of invention and
all (the nice fellas at the NAPA and I have done some SERIOUS
improvising....)

I looked at what he had, his prices seemed fair, but most of them have had
some major modifications. He's got 88s with Rover V8s in them. 109s with
Defender style interiors, you name it. He is super honest about import laws,
and he doesn't usually deal with loopholes. If it isn't cut-and-dried legal,
he steers clear which is pretty cool.
His IIa ambulance is a particularly nice piece, and he gets lightweights in
quite often. Almost all of them are RHD and for some reason, most of his
trucks have crappy, mismatched tires on them (easy to remedy), but the plus
side is that they often come with 16" rims.

In short, if you want a useful, totally non-stock LR that is 25 years old or
older, I guess he's a good choice.

My only real gripe with the guy is that he talks crap about EVERYONE.
For example:
Our local repair shop, Flying Circus is a wonderful family run shop. They
under estimated a repair on him once and he's been nasty about it ever since.
I've been dealing with them for 4 years and they are fantastic with all
British cars. The folks at Flying Circus have offered to make it up to him,
but it appears that he just enjoys hating them so he's declined the offers.
They want all of the British Car dealers and shops to help eachother out with
parts, advice, etc, but he just likes to go it alone and stays out of the
loop. My experince is that you don't catch fies with vinegar. Of course that
could be the American in me, but when in Rome, you do as the Romans, dammit.
If he learns this, his demand will far exceed his supply.

Alex
69 IIa
89 RR

------------------------------

From: S1artLover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Series 1 images

>From collector of LR images

Found UK. source of  classic canvas top S1 pics.
as advertized in LRO International.
E-mail     Anthny4str@aol.com 
for details and jpg sample images.
Great stuff!!

------------------------------

From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 16 Jun 97 13:49:37 MST
Subject: Utah 109 UTT-156

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I saw a dark green 109 this Sunday parked in downtown Flagstaff Arizona,
with a flat tire, Utah plates UTT-156. Anyone on the list? From what I
noticed, it might be a 6 cyl, the shift was straight, moved back a bit,
and the low range and 4-hi levers were coming out of the front of the
seat box. Is this normal for a 6 cyl? It looked like a late IIa, had the
padded "knee pad" dash, but had huge box-like windscreen vents. (I've
not seen this style before, but knowing Rover, anything's possible!)

Anyone on the list? Who's is this? What type of heater is this? Is this
a 6 cyl?

Dave (the curious) Brown

 I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
 his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
 his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
 is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:21:59 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Enlightenment

As the scene opens
Our heroine is sitting staring at a pair of front leaf springs, oil and
dirt encrusted, laying in the dirt.  The ends of each leaf stick out from
the one above it showing the stresses of 37 years under a working 109.

Our heroine is dressed in greasy levies and black tee shirt and has old
grease up to her elbows.  She contemplates the day's work, sipping on a
bottle of ale.  She  replaced the front stock leaf springs with new one ton
springs with extended shackles. She had to use her spare set of new rear
'U' bolts to tie the axle to the springs because her new front ones did not
come with nuts and there was no local source of BSF nuts. Before
instillation, she had to drill out the holes in the bottom plate one size
to fit the rear 'U' bolts.  Once the springs were on, she discovered that
109 regular shocks are not long enough to fit under a 109 with one ton
springs and extended shackles.  She was going to have to order a new set of
shocks on Monday.  Next she adjusted the front brakes and topped off the
front axle fluids before replacing the front wheels.
The 109 now sits noticably nose high. The rear view mirrors aim to the dirt
and the headlamps are ready to signal UFOs.

As she takes another sip, she contemplates needing to quickly replace the
rear axle housing with its broken axle with the Salisbury unit sitting
nearby.  With new rear one ton springs the Green Rover should once again
sit level.  She thinks about the worn rear springs with the tattered rear
checkstraps curretly on the 109.  Except for the weight of Saisbury, the
job shouldn't be too bad.  The rear 'U' bolts were replaced on both sides a
little over a year ago after ripping out a pair rock climbing a canyon in
the desert.  One of the rear shackles is only a few years old.  Replaced
because the old one broke.  There should be no rust back there.  The leaks
from the engine is keeping the undercarrage well lubercated.

New leaf springs, rear drive shaft, shackles, shocks, check straps, and 'U'
bolts.  A temporary reversal of entropy.

As she takes another sip, she feels the aches of wresseling the front leaf
springs into place and lining up the front axle.  She wonders how she  got
so out of shape and so old.  Entropy, always the enemy to be fought; always
the final victor.  No matter how valient the battle, or how many times your
efforts set back the forces of entropty, entropy can not be denied its due
in the end.

As our heroine takes another sip of ale, she feels that she has achieved a
greater insight into Norse mythology, and she is not comforted by it.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

A citizen of the internet community since 1986

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:29:59 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Oily endeavour?

Adrian wrote:
> My 88" started maming a funny noise "clunkety-clunk" noticeable when
> driving, very noticeable when starting and stopping, and the oil
> pressure gauge (hydraulic, smiths, original) shows no pressure. Oil
> dipstick is fine, but maybe no oil circulating in the motor?

Terje responded:
> I'd suspect the gauge. You should be able to check if the pump is pumping
> by removing the oil filler cap / valve cover breather (depends on wether
> the cap is on the valve cover or not) and looking inside with the engine
> running. If more oil appears when running, the pump must be pumping and
> you should get at least _some_ pressure.

Another alternative would be to keep driving it. If the engine
self-destructs (bearings wipe out, etc) then you have an oil pressure
problem. And the distance traveled to destruction is a measure of how
bad the problem was. Of course, this information is then of limited
value.

Seriously, since it started making a new clunking noise when the guage
started showing no pressure, I'd stop driving it until a definative
diagnosis is made. Pull the oil pressure sender and see if oil squirts
out while cranking the motor. That indicates the pump is doing
something. Then hook up another pressure gauge to see what the pressure
is.

BTW, the dipstick only indicates the amount of oil in the pan, not if it
is doing anything useful.

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

Date: 16 Jun 1997 17:44:45 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Rochester Carbs

Does anyone have the model # (or model #'s) for Rochester carbs used on 2.25l
motors?  This one's sitting on a friends 71 SIIA which will not start (though
it does pop, sputter, and backfire impressively).  We're thinking of heading
down to the junque chandlery and scouring around for a "new" one.   What were
they used on other than LR's?  Something GM-ish, I'm sure, but were they
placed on anything I'm likely to find at a junkyard (late 70's, early 80's).

Regards, 

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88 (frameover in progress - aaaargh).

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:56:22 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: door locks

Subject: door locks

> If a person wanted to install door locks in a series vehicle that would,
> at the very least, be resistant to opening with a half chewed toothpick
> what are the options?

Do you watch Mr. Bean?  ;-)

Could early 90/110 door locks be adapted to fit a series vehicle?  (just 
guessing here).

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:07:02 -0500
From: Wesley Harris <wharris@infowks.com>
Subject: Re: IIA Up and Running

At 09:42 AM 6/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I can't believe it! I purchased a 71 IIA sight unseen from
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 37 lines)]
>-->   Root Emergency Procedure: type "rm -rf / <cr>"    <--
>Lead On, Rich!!  All the best, buddy!!

Cheers,
Wes Harris
'66 IIA 88" (sort of)

------------------------------

From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Steve Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: door locks

I remember seeing in an old Rovers North catalog or newsletter an
article about someone that used the cylinders from a bank safe deposit
box.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:52:03 -0500
From: "Spencer K. C. Norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: Downeast Rally

I wasn’t going to reply to this, since Dave already said what needed to
be said, but MC's attitude is just too much to put up with. 

Hey Mike, 
If you’re going to take pot shots at people at least be enough of a man
to do it to people who can fight back, Myles isn’t on the net, he
doesn’t even have a computer. If you knew much about Myles, you would
know his house sits virtually on the Atlantic Ocean, and his phone goes
out with alarming regularity, has to do with weather, Maine’s incredibly
high-tech infrastructure, and the fact that he lives in an old-ass
farmhouse.
You would also know that Myles was once the northeast regional
coordinator. I know you haven’t been around all that long, Mike, but
Myles quit because he couldn’t take the BS any longer, I first spoke to
Myles 9 months after my membership check came back cashed and I hadn’t
received any issues of AW (sound familiar to anyone?) 

So now you have bought into (usurped) sponsorship the Downeast (just
show me the money?) what are you going to do are you going to be
helpful?, I noticed that Mike Smith (of the late ECR off-road day and
late of the LRO list) is the Maine coordinator, that wouldn’t have
anything to do with this would it? So what are you going to do?
specialty vehicle demos? tech sessions? or are you going to gloat about
the fact you are helping to destroy the premier land rover event in
North America. Thanks for the help. 

Just slapping your name onto a event doesn’t make you the national club
you think you are. Were you there the year 30 rovers showed up? Have you
been pleased to see this event grow by leaps and bounds in attendance
each year? Or are you just here to play politics?

Your act is weak.

spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

           The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
                                              -Bill Gorton

BTW,
Owls Head is about 8 miles south of Rockport (late home of Andre the
seal) it's about 2 miles south of *Rockland*

The 3 main rover-filled campgrounds: 
Camden Hills State Park, Camden
Olde Mass. Homestead Camp, Lincolnville Beach, 789-5135
Megunticook By The Sea, Camden Rd, 594-2428

These towns will be a little too far from the fun:
SO. THOMASTON, SPRUCE HEAD, TENANTS HARBOR, THOMASTON,  UNION, WALDBORO,
WARREN

dont ask people from california about directions in maine.

s.

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for Jim Karantinos...

I'm looking for Jim Karantinos, Series owner from St. Augustine, FL, who put
on the Suwannee River Rover Rallye...

If someone knows his e-mail address, kindly Fwd: it to me at: spyders@aol.com

Or, if you're still lurking on the list, Jim, e-mail me...

Thanks,

pat
93  110 (the truck whose bull bar is now on your 88)

------------------------------

From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Joe Kemp- Land Rover Connection

The gentleman's name is Joe Kempand his business is the Land Rover
Connection. I bought a vehicel from him last year and though it has had it
share of woos, in all fairness I can't attribute any to Joe.

Michael Richards also purchased one adn I think he is pretty happy, as well.
I can't speak to all used car saleman, but as most go, Joe seems one of the
better ones. Kemp or Aspin or anyone else, they just want your money and the
vehicle gone. Yes, he has an attitude that if "you don't like it you can
pisss off". That's his way. Better that than some others fain friendship
whilst shoving you into a rusted piece of junk.

I looked long and hard for a vehicle that wasn't beaten and rusted. Here in
Maryland there's a guy selling Rovers for more than what I paid and they are
absolute crap. Rusted chassis and questionable paperwork.

Go look. Judge for yourself. Better to have a vehicle you can see and drive,
than import rust from the UK sight unseen.

As for his demeanor at last year's Mideast Rally.. that's Kemp. "If you don't
like me stuff you can f***-off".

Bill McDonald
'69 109"- Beauty
'66 MGB
'75 CB400F Supersport
'78 GL1000 Goldwing Interstate

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LR Connection

In a message dated 6/16/97 6:53:25 PM, you wrote:

>As for his demeanor at last year's Mideast Rally.. that's Kemp. "If you
don't like
>me stuff you can f***-off".

That's what has me puzzled... I like most everyone till they do me wrong, and
I *did* like his stuff. I complimented him on the 109, and told him if I
could pay for one I would do it... 

Oh well... whatever floats your sea rover...

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: door locks

In a message dated 6/16/97 8:06:34 PM, you wrote:

>Could early 90/110 door locks be adapted to fit a series vehicle?  (just 
>guessing here).

Along those lines, could early 90/110 door locks (& doors, too, I guess) be
adapted to fit a defender vehicle? (still having teething problems with
late-style door locks/latches)

pat
93  110

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:34:49 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Downeast Rally

> I noticed that Mike Smith (of the late ECR off-road day and
> late of the LRO list) is the Maine coordinator, that wouldn’t have
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> the fact you are helping to destroy the premier land rover event in
> North America.

Mike Smith told me in January that he had been effectively dis-invited
from holding another off-road day after receiving lots of criticism from
the organizer. I don't know what the other side to the story is. (BTW,
this was the only time I've ever spoken to Mike Smith.)

I don't understand what is destroying the Downeast rally? Is it really
being "destroyed"? Why can't it continue to happen as it has in the
past, at least on Sunday at the museum? I thought everyone with a Land
Rover product can show up on Sunday and park on the grass. (Three years
ago we drove to the museum in a friend's CJ. The gate attendent tried to
wave us in to join the LRs, but we declined.)

> These towns will be a little too far from the fun:
> SO. THOMASTON, SPRUCE HEAD, TENANTS HARBOR, THOMASTON,  UNION, WALDBORO,
> WARREN

South Thomaston is just around the corner from Owl's Head, less than 2
miles from the Museum. I recall that Trevor and Mary Easton have stayed
at a B&B there in the past.
Thomaston is 5 miles (or less) to the west of Owl's Head.
There are several Spruce Heads in that area of ME.
Warren is about 5 miles north of Thomaston, or 10 miles from Owl's Head.
It's about 10 miles from Rockport.
Union, Tenants Harbor and Waldoboro are about a half hour away. 

You may not want to ask someone from Maryland living in Michigan about
Maine, but we vist friends in Thomaston yearly, and I also checked the
Delorme atlas.

BTW, is this still the LRO list, or has it become the LR Politics &
Personalities list?

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: door locks

At 09:40 PM 6/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>If a person wanted to install door locks in a series vehicle that would,
>>at the very least, be resistant to opening with a half chewed toothpick

>a)  Weld or rivet them shut and enter/exit via roof hatch
 
There you go!  Take the door tops off, weld the doors shut, and pretend
you're the Dukes of Hazzard!  8^)

Wouldn't necessarily provide any security, but you could be real cool
sliding across the bonnet!  (remove spare first!)

(Dukes of Hazzard, for our more civilized foreign freinds, was a late 70's
show about two brothers and their souped up dodge charger.  They went
zipping around the southern countryside getting into trouble with the local
(corrupt) law/powers-that-be, and generally saving the day.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:08:15 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Downeast Rally

At 11:52 AM 6/16/97, Spencer K. C. Norcross <spencern@acr.org> wrote:
:I wasn't going to reply to this, since Dave already said what needed to
:be said, but MC's attitude is just too much to put up with.
....<lots of whining deleted>.....
:Or are you just here to play politics? 

 Geeee, I must have missed reading some of the mail I supposedly wrote ;)

 Unlike some others', my messages regarding the Owls Head Land Rover
 Rally were constrained to factual statements and did not delve into
 over-emotional dribble.  Maybe 'attitude' in messages has become too
 difficult to read without smiley faces and emoticons plastered all over?

 Yes, LROA published information regarding DownEast IX in the AW
        and listed MM's address and phone as the point of contact.
 Yes, when the Owls Head Transportation Museum asked for co-sponsors,
        LROA considered it's many members and Land Rover friends in the
        North-East and decided to support continuation of the event.
 Yes, I was appalled at a forwarded manifesto by MM in part seeking
        a program of division and discontent between Land Rover owners
        amongst themselves, as well as clubs, and businesses.
 Yes, after a person wrote that MM's phone 207-789-5303 is disconnected,
        I expressed consternation and assured netizens that the Owls
        Head Land Rover Rally is continuing as scheduled.
 Yes, after an inquiry was made and no other answer was forthcoming, I
        published a list of local accommodations and campgrounds.
 Yes, my attitude is just fine and think that the LROA is doing exactly
        what a Land Rover club is supposed to be doing regarding an
        event that many of it's members enjoy participating in each year.
 NO, I don't see the need to "play politics" with you guys as we have no
        ulterior motives, we need no special favors, and our purpose in
        Land Rovers is the simple enjoyment and furthering of the marque.

:Owls Head is about 8 miles south of Rockport (late home of Andre the
:seal) it's about 2 miles south of *Rockland*
:
:The 3 main rover-filled campgrounds: 
:Camden Hills State Park, Camden
:Olde Mass. Homestead Camp, Lincolnville Beach, 789-5135
:Megunticook By The Sea, Camden Rd, 594-2428
:
:These towns will be a little too far from the fun:
:SO. THOMASTON, SPRUCE HEAD, TENANTS HARBOR, THOMASTON,  UNION, WALDBORO,
:WARREN

 Thanks for this useable information!

 Kind regards,

-Michael Carradine
 VP, LROA

 Tel/Fax 510-988-0900

 LROA Member Services           To join, please send us your personal and
 PO Box 130                     Land Rover vehicle information, phone & email
 Walnut Creek, CA 94597         address, along with annual dues of $20. 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:24:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: '71 IIA (the real skinny)

> I can't believe it! I purchased a 71 IIA sight unseen from
> Mr. Peter Baron in NY (car located in Toronto), from a posting
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> the first purchaser in line could not make a decision,
> and my new baby was transported, to Northern Virginia.
                [snip]

I'm the guy that Rich is referring to. The original owner (Peter 
Baran-1 Christopher St. in Manahatten) had sold me this truck
in mid Feb. I had immediately sent him a check for $500 down 
payment after talking to him on the phone (our first contact).
He was going to reinstall the hardtop on his visit home (Toronto)
on Easter weekend so I could ship the whole package down to Richmond
after Easter. Baran held my check for 4 weeks. In the mean time I
was placing MANY phone calls lining up shipping back to Richmond.
When I called him in mid March (I was calling Baran several times a
week to keep him posted) to let him know that the shipping was
taken care of, he told me (out of the blue) that the deal was off
because I didn't seem that interested!!!???!!!. The guy had my $500!
How much more interested can you get on a $2000 truck? So this lying 
sack of crap sold me down the river for a few extra bucks. After about 
10 years (two Land-Rovers and about 6 Rover TC 2000's) this is the only
Rover person that turned out to be a creep (I'm restraining my
language in case any kids might be reading this).

The main reason I'm posting this is that many of my Canadian Rover
friends went WAY above and beyond in trying to help me out with this 
deal. I didn't want them to think that the deal fell through because
I was a slack-ass. Thanks to all. You know who you are.

I've talked to Rich on the phone and he simply bought a Land-Rover. 
I have no problem with anyone except Baran. I'll reply to e-mails but 
this is all I've got to say on the list.

Dave "Pete" Kurzman (804) 233-1341  Richmond, Virginia  USA
Roverless because of an Asshole

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:38:24 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: '71 IIA (the real skinny)

At 08:24 PM 6/16/97 -0500, David Kurzman wrote:
:...(I'm restraining my
:language in case any kids might be reading this).

 Thanks for keeping it down and controlling your demeanor, I'm
 sure we all appreciate it.  We hope you will find another Land
 Rover soon.  When this type of thing happens, trust fate!
 You were meant to meet up with another Land Rover that will
 bring you much more happiness and will take good care of you.

 Ohmmmmmmm...

-Michael Carradine

------------------------------

From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Oily endeavour?

In a message dated 97-06-16 19:34:59 EDT, you write:

<< BTW, the dipstick only indicates the amount of oil in the pan, not if it
 is doing anything useful.
  >>

To follow up on this, my younger brother kept hearing a tapping sound in a
used T*y*ta C*l*ca he had bought (years ago).  Thinking he was low on oil, he
kept checking the oil level which appeared fine.  Then one day (about a week
later) the engine froze up (at a stoplight luckily).  You guessed it, seized
oil pump led to seized up engine. 

Lesson learned: If it sounds like you're low on oil but you're not, worry
very seriously about your oil delivery (plugged passages, oil pump)

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Roverless because of...(was)'71 IIA (the real skinny)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:10:25 -0700

Pete writes...

>>Dave "Pete" Kurzman (804) 233-1341  Richmond, Virginia  USA
>Roverless because of an Asshole

Pete,

Join the club.  At least you didn't fall for the old
'Roverworks-IS-building-my-truck-it-should-be-here-in-2-months' scam.

Be glad all you lost was $500 (not that it doesn't still hurt).

I was also at one time "Roverless because of an Asshole"

Michael Slade
Portland, OR
slade@imagina.com
'90 RR County 3.9

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:22:20 -0500
From: The Richards <smrm@coastalnet.com>
Subject: Joe Kemp

If the gentleman in question was indeed Joe, he must have been having a bad
day. He does indeed tow his Landies with an Expedition, and once went on
with glee about having to pull it out of the mud with a Land-Rover. His
dealing with me were straight up enough, helpful and friendly. But I
wouldn't buy a car/truck sight unseen from anyone (well, except maybe from
Doug Meyer with TDB, but he only services/sells Jensen Interceptors and I
have one already). However, once pissed off, Joe has plenty to say! I can
just imagine someone taking a hard line tactic in trying to drive down his
price. . .it wouldn't be pretty. 

Michael, New Bern, NC
67 MGB
Jensen Interceptor
Series III Land-Rover

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:57:24 -0500
From: Paul Hanson <"HANSONPA@"@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Subject: Short one Short oil filter bowl.

If there is any one out there who can spare a short type oil filter bowl 
for my swb [ 2.25 diesel ], Please contact me via e-mail. 
	Thank you!
	Paul Hanson
	Big Bend Wi.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:05:52 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re/2: Roverless because of...(was)'71 IIA (the real skinny)

At 07:10 PM 6/16/97 -0700, Michael Slade wrote:
:Pete writes...
:>>Dave "Pete" Kurzman (804) 233-1341  Richmond, Virginia  USA
:>>Roverless because of an Asshole
:
:Be glad all you lost was $500 (not that it doesn't still hurt).
:I was also at one time "Roverless because of an Asshole"

 Mike,

 Pete wrote that the person in Canada held his check uncashed.
 He did not loose any money to him, except for incidental
 expenses such as phone calls.

-Michael

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:31:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: door locks

On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Clinton D. Coates wrote:

	Yes to Mr. Bean... :-)  Like the new Disco XD.  Mr. Bean LR,s with
that paint job... :-)
> Could early 90/110 door locks be adapted to fit a series vehicle?  (just 
> guessing here).

	Yes... not guessing...  Same as III...

------------------------------

From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: door locks
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:43:00 PDT

>Could early 90/110 door locks be adapted to fit a series vehicle?  (just
>guessing here).

Possibly, but they can be opened with the chewed toothpick as well :-(

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

------------------------------

From: "Jon Dunster, Computer Systems Manager" <jond@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:00:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Land rover timeline ?

Has anyone a Land Rover / Range Rover time line giving dates, chassis 
numbers etc that changes were made to specifications ?

Cheers

Jon

--------------------------------------------------------
 Jon Dunster
 jond@chichester.ac.uk
 http://www.chichester.ac.uk/~jond
 Computer Services Unit, 
 Chichester College of Technology,
-------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: EMLRA
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 9:52:34 BST

Information re. the Ex-Military Land Rover Association (cced to the main
list as it may interest some of the international people):

Cost is GBP 10, to Nick Percival, 
                   Membership Secretary,
                   Birch Cottage,
                   7, Newbury Lane,
                   Silsoe,
                   Beds,
                   MK45 4ET

This includes a newsletter 6 times a year, plus assoc. events. I haven't been
to any of the events yet. They also have stands at some shows, and the
newsletter usually includes entry forms for exhibiting at various shows.
I have the March Newsletter infront of me (I loaned the May one to someone -
bet I don't get it back). It has a short editorial/news item, For Sale
Adverts, "The Post War 2 Wheeled 1/2 ton trailers (FV Pattern) Pt 1"
(5 pages incl. drawings & plans), "How to tell if your Land Rover was fitted
with a Northern Ireland Vehicle Protection Kit" (2 pages incl. diagram) (*),
Letters page (2pages, 4 letters), Wanted Adverts, Show Dates, club items
for sale (1 page - mainly stickers), 4 pages of Show entry forms.

Format is nothing special - photocopied A4 sheets, but interesting.

Membership also includes a list of other members and their vehicles.

(*) someone at work used to help make these!

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:23:24 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: door locks

>>>If a person wanted to install door locks in a series vehicle that would,
>>>at the very least, be resistant to opening with a half chewed toothpick

Apparently, there was a reader's article in the May 94 edition of LRO mag,
outlining security enhancements for series LR's. I've never seen that
edition of LRO, anyone out there got a copy??

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
*******************************

------------------------------

  END OF * LIST DIGEST 
 Input:  messages 47 lines 1939 [forwarded 150 whitespace 469]
 Output: lines 1508 [content 894  forwarded 85 (cut  65) whitespace 445]

Back	Forward
Photos & text Copyright 1990-2011 Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved. Digest Messages Copyright 1990-2011 by the original poster or/and Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved.