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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 12:56:04 -0700
From: "Christopher D. Van Decar" <vandy@mail.enterprise.net>
Subject: Calif emmsions

Does anybody know if California allows the importing (UK)of Rovers that
are 25 years or older into the state?  I'm wondering about the emmisions
laws there since a 25 year old Series would be a '72, the begining of
the real emmisions stuff like air pumps converters etc.  All help
appreciated and thanks in advance

Cheers

Chris Van Decar
'94 D90 SloMo-Shun VII

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:30:59 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE:UK Ex-MoD LR Dealers

Hi All,
          Norm lewis asked about the apparent lack of replies fromn the
above. I had the same problem  about two years ago.
 having decided my budget and what I wanted (low mileage Slll LtWt) I fax=
ed
a 'request for proposals' letter to about 6 or 8 , all regular advertiser=
s
in LRO/LRW.  Only  Crook Brothers, Brooklyn and the then Lightweight Cent=
re
bothered to even reply. Crooks got the order two weeks later, a year late=
r
my other half,  Maureen, got a Defender in very nice nick from Brooklyns.=

  Give Eric or Graham Crook a call, alternatively, the guy to talk to at
Brooklyns is Mike, (sorry can't remember his name.he is a great bloke tho=
).
When we went in the LtWt to collect Maureen's  new toy he said " Seems a
shame to take yours back empty" and filled the back with two tow ropes wi=
th
four D- shackles, 3Jerry cans and four assorted-size ammo boxes. hell of =
a
guy.

Re Camo for Paul Wakefield =

Another advantage is that if you get fed up with the truck, increase the
insured value and leave it in Kilburn overnight 8>)
I have noticed that ex-RAF and RN camo schemes are usually spray applied
whereas a lot of army ones appear to be brush painted. While aircraft cam=
o
schemes are carefully deisgned vehicle schemes appear to be ad-lib. =

BTW I've found that its safer to keep your headlights on at all times on
country roads to avoid getting  head-on overtakers as bonnet mascots,
messy.

Re my alternator problem,
Thanks for the advice but pressure of work (Paris Airshow upcoming) has s=
o
far prevented further investigation, hopefully  tomorrow I'll have a dig
about  and let you know the outcome.  =

Cheers,
Mike Gaines
Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:13:08 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential .........

Greetings,

The following is in response to the "tongue lashing" I recieved from Mr. 
Carradine:

::While in the process of getting my SIII ready to be imported into the 
US, 
::my broker spoke with DOT about any problems I may encounter.
....
::So, how did this affect me? I now have to import my 72 109 (with letter 
::from LR stating it is indeed a 72) through a "Registered Importer" 
adding 
::2-300$us to the cost of importing my beloved. 

: There is *no* US law that requires you to use a "Registered Importer"
: for a 1972 and earlier vehicle.  Due to their age of 25+ years, these
: vehicles are exempt from DOT and EPA regulations.  The Customs officer
: will exempt and clear these vehicles provided you have some (any!)
: documentation such as title papers, a bill of sale (easy), or a shipping
: manifest with the model, year, and VIN number on it.  Besides, *YOU* will
: be making a declaration by signing the application forms with your name

You are correct about the paperwork needed and the +25yr exemption. You 
are also correct about importing being easy (I never stated otherwise). 
Let me reinterate for some who may have misunderstood me:
IMPORTING A VEHICLE 25+ YEARS OLD INTO THE US IS A VERY EASY TASK WITH 
THE PROPER PAPERWORK. The only point I was trying to make is to be sure 
that the vehicle you're importing is in fact 25+ years old and otherwise 
CYA with the nessisary contracts. I am not REQUIRED to "IMPORT" the 
vehicle through an RI. Where is RI comes in is that in this case, they 
are required to VERIFY that the serial numbers are correct for the 
vehicle as a knowledgeable agent of the US Gov't. As someone else pointed 
out, DOT (or EPA for that matter), wouldnt know the difference between a 
SI and a Defender but an RI would (should). In this case, DOT suspects 
that there could be a case of fraud based on thier past experiances. They 
are simply using thier agents to verify that this is not the case, only 
problem is that I have to pay thier agents in addition to mine.

: manifest with the model, year, and VIN number on it.  Besides, *YOU* will
: be making a declaration by signing the application forms with your name
: and address all over them.  If the Fed's want, they'll know where to find
: you!

You are correct, I do make the declaration, and they do know where to 
find me, BUT they are simply verifying that my declaration is correct 
before the vehicle leaves port. They could also do this a year from now 
in which case I would have to bring the vehicl to an RI (thier technical 
agents in this case) and then maybe find out that the dealer in the UK 
(had this been the case) had switched numbers in which case I had better 
exercise my thumb to get home ;-). 

::You can heed my advice or not, its up to you. I have experiance 
importing 
::and exporting vehicles so I do know what Im talking about and not just 
::repeating what "a friend of a friend" said.

: You've just managed to scare the beans out of most everyone!  Importing
: a 25+ year vehicle into the US is a piece of cake and an entitlement to
: every American.  Get a spine!  The Customs officers we deal with are very
: serious about the word "service" in "US Custom's Service", and extremely
: friendly yet professional.  Where is your "importing/exporting experience"
: from, the Netherlands??  

My intention is not to scare, IT IS TO PROVIDE TIMELY INFORMATION TO 
ANYONE CONTEMPLATING IMPORTING A LR THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAMPERED WITH AND 
HAVING THEM LOOSE THIER INVESTMENT WITH NO RECOARSE. What if someone here 
had unknowingly imported a LR and had it siezed by DOT because they 
decided to do a "spot check" (which, bottom line, is what is happening 
here) and found that the numbers had been tampered with? What would your 
advice be then? You are correct when you say that importing a 25+ vehicle 
into the US is a piece of cake! I am simply saying that you need to 
ENSURE that the vehicle is indeed 25+ years old or at least insure that 
you have some recoarse should it be found otherwise. Mine is simply a 
word of warning to be careful, and that, at least, DOT is watching 
specifically the LR community, base on thier past experiance with people 
who decided to "push the envelope". Now would you rather I had kept my 
mouth shut so that everyone could live on in "blissful ignorance" until 
they import one that the dealer ensured them that "customs doesnt know 
the difference between a 84 and 71 SIII" and then see it siezed at the port!?

Bottom line is that it is a "service" to have them verify my vehicle in 
the port, before its imported and not 6 months down the road. My only 
complaint is that I have to pay to have this "service" performed. In my 
case, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I do indeed have a 72 SIII, 
others may have been told that "customs never checks, and anyhow wouldnt 
know the difference anyway". I'm simply warning anyone who wants to 
listen that customs DOES occasionally check, and they DO know the 
difference so CYA! What you do with this info is your own business.

: Regards,
                       ______
: Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers

Despite what you may think this is not ment as a flame on Mr. Carradine, 
he is correct when he says importing is easy. I'm just saying to be 
careful out there as they ARE watching us.

Cheers,
Todd

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:24:26 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: NON LR CONTENT:LRO NEEDS USA HELP PLEASE

Hi All,
          For business reasons my wife Maureen needs urgently some contac=
t
names/numbers and any background info you may have [age/size/reliability
etc] on a US trucking/hire/freight company called Penske.
 If anybody can help, please Email Maureen dirct with details on:
Maureen.Gaines@RBI.co.uk
Many thanks and apologies for the non LR stuff.

Cheers
Mike Gaines Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'
Maurs, TDi Defender `Deffy'  [puke] 8>)

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 14:24:18 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Washing and CDs in Series

YoTeriAnn,
                     Cheer up luv, there are, I am sure, several
bloody-knuckled engrimed Series owners still on the list. Compared with y=
ou
lot, I'm a newbie (c 6 months) but I've noticed that in the last six week=
s
or so there seems to be some leakage from the car owners (Should I wax
polish the in- built manicure kit? Who cares?) on the other lists. Maybe =

this is a strange phase when everybody's Series  LR is actually running s=
o
they're out enjoying it? (Hah!)
   =

  For Jeremy, the best CD for an SI seriuosly is probably a Sony Discman =
or
similar, hang round neck & plug into head. I just sing out loud as its th=
e
only place no-one (including me) can hear me. For the correct  period =

rearlight -- candle in a jamjar?

  Keep the faith TeriAnn, our Series trucks will still be rovering from
crisis to crisis when the cars are a useful source of spares (dip in mud
before fitting). See you at Billing.

Cheers
Mike Gaines
Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 12:39:08 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING to potential SIII buyers and Importers

Words, such as "import", occassionally make a difference:

> It's probably okay to import
> a post-74 LR to other parts of the country, but good 'ol Ca. won't hear of
> anything post '74. (as far as Ca. is concerned - if it was sold here during
> the year your truck was manufactured, it had better comply with Ca.'s regs,
> and if it wasn't, forget it!

> Does anybody know if California allows the importing (UK)of Rovers that
> are 25 years or older into the state?

An individual state has a lot of control over what you do in that state,
but none over what you can import into the state unless possesion is
illegal. Import control is a federal function. So you should be able to
import (physically bring into the state) a LR which you cannot register
to drive on public roads in a particular. And you may be able to
register a vehicle in a state which you could not import into the US.(An
example is a car assembled with recent components by an individual can
be registered in Michigan but couldn't be imported as a highway vehicle
into the US.)

So anyone thinking about importing a LR has two areas of concern:
1) Can I legally import it into the US? Relevant requirements include
both emissions and safety. This is a federal government function, and
the basic rule is 25 years old.
2) Can I (title and) register it in the desired state? This is a state
function, and requirements vary greatly by state, and sometimes by
county. If you just want to keep it on display in your house then the
state isn't a concern, other than zoning.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Subject: Values on used Range Rovers
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 11:11:01 -0500

I found an '87 Range Rover with 97,000 miles on the clock for an even
$10,000.  I'm unsure of the value of a RR of this vintage and would
appreciate any comments.  It's in good condition and seems to have been
well maintained.  I didn't drive it though might if this is a good deal. 
My '60 Series II is lonely and complains of the language barrier between it
and my '63 Volvo PV544.  I figure that an RR would make it a nice
companion.  Thanks for the advice, Brian.

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 03:45:32 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series III U-Joints

Well the time had come. Took ole Pig out for another run up. Never 
missed a beat, new engine ran as smooth as silk. Actually had to go up to 
it to hear if it was still running when I stopped on the road to get 
smokes. Now listening to the stereo and driving at the same time is easy. 
Aside from a visit from Mr. Lucas in the stop lights, the only thing 
bothersome is the vibrations from the drive train ....somewhere. Lock in 
the front hubs and it's worse, or is it worser(?). I'm thinking u-joints, 
never replaced any of the four in the last 12 years, so I'm on borrowed 
time I think. What is a good u-joint replacement? I remeber someone 
saying that the joints for a 1977 6cyl Blazer will fit nicely. Anyone got 
better ideas? I'm going to replace all of them, hopefully that will take 
care of the vibration.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: b.boehlers@olsy.dk (Bent Boehlers)
Subject: engine swap
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:59:07 +0200

Hello!
This is send for a freind of me.

He have a 110 inch from 87, with a 2,5 litre turbo diesel.
He have got his hands on a 300TDI from a Discovery, and would like 
to put that in his truck. Have anyone tried that before ??
Is there a discription, drawings, photos somewhere on the net ?

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

bent@boehlers-dk.com

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 04:05:24 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Exporting....was Warning!...

David Cockey wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Words, such as "import", occassionally make a difference:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 32 lines)]
> Regards,
> David Cockey

I'm going to be exporting to the US a 1950 LR Series I. It is not 
running, so do I have to meet certain requirements, or can I just say 
it's for parts? Maybe I should tell them I'm having someone rebuild it 
for me? There are no papers for it as well. Going to tow it behind "Pig" 
to get it across the border.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 13:42:19 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: tippity tappity...

Thanks to all for the help on the tapping problems in my truck.  I am 
going to check the tappet clearances one more time, then assume that 
everything is ok.  If the timing gear and chain are ok, and the valve 
clearances are ok, and the rockers are solid, and the .... it must be ok 
and I am just being paranoid.

It all dates back to when I put the soundproofing in the truck....

Clinton

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 13:49:53 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Truck type again

Truck type.

year: 1961
type: 3 door hard top
size: 109"
engine: 2.25 7:1 petrol (3 brg) with crane ignition
name: Emerson
colour: Blue bottom, tatty limestone top
current location: Kamloops British Columbia
country: Canada
shape: Really good (knock on wood)
e-mail: Clinton_Coates@BC.Sympatico.CA
notes: I really like my truck, really, no, I mean it, honestly...

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 13:51:29 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: 3.5 l rover motors

Is it possible to detune the rover V8 to:
a) get better mileage
b) not snap series half shafts with merry abandon?
c) forget it and drop in the chevy 4cyl instead?

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:07:22 +0000
Subject: Re: Values on used Range Rovers

Brian writes:
 
> I found an '87 Range Rover with 97,000 miles on the clock for an even
> $10,000.  I'm unsure of the value of a RR of this vintage and would
> appreciate any comments.  It's in good condition and seems to have been
> well maintained.

An '87 RR with 97,000 just sold in Colorado Springs a couple of weeks 
ago for about $8,500.  (At least that was asking price.)  Could this 
be the same one?   It belonged to Air Force Academy cadet who just 
graduated.

 
T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 01:00:21 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: engine swap

Bent Boehlers wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hello!
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Bent Boehlers
> bent@boehlers-dk.com
Dear Bent!

I hope your friend is either very anonymous or well paid - the Customs
and Taxes (Told & Skat) will love the idea of a new 300tdi in a defender
- rumour here in Jutland has it that the going rate for such an upgrade
is around 30,000 kroner - but maybe that's just a rumour.

Of course it could be that you say "a friend" because of the above
factors :-)

I have "a friend" who would love to put a 300 TDi into a series 3 - but
the cost ! wow

good luck - if your friend does have to pay the tax on this one, I'd
love to hear what the going rate is - just for "a friend" of mine you
understand!

Roverlige hilsener,

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 16:27:23 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: folding sidestep

Has anyone tried to install one of those folding sidesteps to the 
passenger side of an 88 or 109 that has the passenger under the seat gas 
tank (this is for a lhd rig)?  Or have a truck with such on it?  I have 
mine and a picture from the parts catalogue and after sitting under my 
truck for about an hour cannot figure out the bracketing.

I guess two holes have to be drilled in the sill support.

Didn't someone post something on this a year ago or so?

Clinton "anyone wanna buy a new folding sidestep?" Coates

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 02:06:40 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: removing hi-lo gearbox

Hi all,

I've had a bit of a problem, and I think it is the transfer box that is
acting up.
I was driving across sand with some steepish inclines when I got stuck
in some sand that shouldn't really have posed a problem.
I decided to go down the way I came and so selected reverse. (in low). I
let the clutch come up but the L-R didn't budge. I expected the wheels
would be churning, but they were not moving an inch. Not good for the
clutch. Depressed the clutch again only to find the gearbox locked.
I stopped the engine and managed to ram the hi-low gear stick into
neutral, started the engine, let the clutch come up and this unlocked
the main gearbox.
I selected High reverse and chugged down the hill with no problems.
The whole way home I expected to hear the gearbox disintegrate but it
seems fine. I even tried low for a few meters on level ground; no
strange noises.
Yesterday I changed the oil of the gearboxes, and recovered two 5x4 mm
pieces of metal in the transfer oil. Gulp. They look like bendover tabs,
this because they are exactly identical and have the thickness of a
washer. about 1.5mm.

I will probably try to remove the transfer box from the gearbox in the
car, any tips? my list so far:
1. remove drive shaft.
2. remove speedo cable and shift levers.
3. read e-mail to find out what to do next....
3a. remove hand brake ?
3b. remove intermediate gear ?
3c . get to bolts holding the whole thing to the main box?

Any tips will be appreciated,

Floris,
Ser IIa '69

P.s. The sortout in nieuwegein was great, bought far to much, ate to
many chips, and got a sun burn. What more do you want!

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 17:29:55 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: folding sidestep

Clinton D. Coates wrote:

> Has anyone tried to install one of those folding sidesteps...

Sounds like something else to grease.

Greg 'what's wrong with an overturned bucket, or....'

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:51:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Values on used Range Rovers

Here in California, people seem to think that, just because they paid upwards
of $40,000 for their RR's in 1987, that they can still get $10,000-20,000 for
them now - regardless of how many miles they have on them.

Granted, in the USA, Range Rovers are not quite as common as they are in the
U.K., but, come on people, get real! You won't see anybody pay that much for
a Ferrari 308 with that many miles on it!

I personally wouldn't pay a dime over $5,000 for one that old, and even then,
I would try to talk the price down - it's not like they're collectable or
anything. And besides, most of them have NEVER been off-road here - which
means that, if you decide to have fun with it, I Guarantee that you'll soon
be replacing bushings that have never travelled so far in their life.

Charles

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 17:52:32 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Exporting....was Warning!...

At 04:05 AM 6/1/97 -0700, Con P. Seitl wrote:
:I'm going to be exporting to the US a 1950 LR Series I. It is not 
:running, so do I have to meet certain requirements, or can I just say 
:it's for parts? Maybe I should tell them I'm having someone rebuild it 
:for me? There are no papers for it as well. Going to tow it behind "Pig" 
:to get it across the border.

 If the engine is still in it, Customs may presume it is a complete
 vehicle, driveable or shortly driveable.  There are NO import
 restrictions to the US for *older*than* 25 year old vehicles (or older
 than 15 years for Canada).  For a Land Rover they will nick you 2.5%
 of it's value.  It is not necessary to have registration papers.  Lots
 of equipment is never registered, ie farm tractors, forestry trucks,
 mining equipment, trucks on farms and private property.  However, do
 get or make up a Bill of Sale with the VIN number and price in
 US Dollars to establish ther title and value.

-Michael

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:17:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:Importing pre-74 LR to Ca...

You can import a pre-74 Land Rover to California, but for 1965-1974 it must
comply with Federal emissions standards (this MAY change soon, I hope). As I
said in another posting, series LR's from that time, complied with all safety
standards in effect, so the only thing to look out for, is emissions AND THIS
APPLIES TO IMPORTATION OF ASSEMBLED, BUT NON-RUNNING VEHICLES AS WELL!

Parts cars (vehicles that have no engine/drivetrain installed) of ANY year,
are exempt, PROVIDED they are not re-assembled for street use (in other
words, you can import a 1085 110, but once you have it running, you're on
your own).

About 7 years ago, Sylvester Stallone tried to import 3 Land Rovers -
possibly 110's. There was something wrong with the paperwork, and they were
held by Customs for 4 (FOUR) years - then re-exported! I never was able to
find out exactly what the problem was, BUT, I do know, that after a certain
year,(1985 I think) the full roll cage is mandated, and apparently, these
trucks didn't have them, and also, there was the emissions problem - they
were 4cyl. petrol, and turbo diesel powered. Since they were 110's, and these
were obviously not imported at that time, nor were those engines ever
imported during those years of manufacture - BANG! Back they went.

There is another instance I know of, where a local lad tried to import some
101 Forward Controls, but they caught those pretty quickly, and back they
went, too.

As somebody else said here - know the rules, and how they're interpreted in
your local BEFORE throwing the money down.

Charles

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:23:04 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Carbs and Nigel's Disease

Ben Nibali wrote:

>Apparently there is a warpage problem which can lead to an extremely rich 
>mixture if a redundant air passage is not plugged.

Yup, there is a warpage problem, caused by the castings *not* being annealed 
after manufacture.  These are actually two separate problems.

>I'm wondering how common this really is and if it might also cause the 
>popping sound I described above.

Ummm...unknown.  I've run with several 36IV's over the past 25 years, and 
I've never heard a popping sound.  Sucking, grunching, sputtering and 
hissing, but never popping.

>BTW could someone clarify the derivation of the term "Nigel's Disease?"

I guess I'm responsible.  Russel Dushin was one of the earlier members of 
this list (still out there Russel? Haven't heard from you in a while) and 
every time he reported that his trusty 88 - "Nigel" - had thus-and-so a 
fault, the very same problem would manifest itself in my Rover a week later. 
I mean, we were talking a perfect 1:1 ratio here.  Bloody well pissed me 
off. ;-)  Pretty soon, the phenomena began replicating itself throughout the 
list.  Scary, isn't it?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:23:08 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Customs

Ned Heite wrote:

>Never deal with Customs at night, on weekends, late in the day, Mondays,
>or Fridays.

I've always found this to be the *best* time to deal with 'em.  On the 
vehicles that i have either imported or drove the chap over that was doing 
the importing - Fridays after 4 PM are the best.  With "Miller Time" 
approaching, the official wants to send you on your way ASAP, and clearance 
is the fastest way to do this.

Have exact change to make the customs duty and EPA/DoT fees.  Last time 
thru, the agent reported that he takes in millions each day (Portsmouth, VA) 
yet doesn't have a petty cash drawer for making change!

WRT smog/pollution requirements on the 1972 models (the most recent *legal* 
imports), you'll need a PCV valve, a sealed fuel system and appropriate 
lights, safety glass and seat belts...except for California.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:46:33 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith 361V popping noises

From: Ben Nibali <BNibali@dmtn.com>

>Some P.O. has installed a Zenith 361V on my '65 SWB.  Since I fixed the
>exhaust problems (which were monumental) I've had a chance to listen to
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>redundant air passage is not plugged.  They say one of the symptoms of
>this is that the mixture adjusting screw has no discernable effect.

>I'm wondering how common this really is and if it might also cause the
>popping sound I described above.

I've owned a 1973 Series III-88 since new, and except for a couple of years
when I ran a Rochester carburetor, it's had a Zenith 36IV.  I've run into
the warping problem several times, although my current Zenith has so far
been okay.  The problem is that when the carburetor warps, raw fuel can
seep between the upper and lower halves of the carburetor when you are
stopped facing uphill.  The fuel then runs down a passage into the
carburetor throat and causes the engine to run extremely rich.  The result
is a "chugging" idle at a very low rpm and black smoke from the exhaust.
Under extreme conditions it can cause the engine to stop running
altogether.  As annoying as this is, I have never experienced any popping
sound when it's happened.   The only cure is to fit a new carburetor or
eliminate the warp by re-surfacing the mating faces of the carburetor
halves.  If they had put a fifth joining bolt at the rear of the carburetor
this warping problem would not occur, but they didn't.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:51:04 -0400
From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>John Wrote:
>>As for the rope getting hung up and the consequent mad dash for the engine
>>shutoff, I always found it easier to simply disengage the winch.
>Nick wrote:
>Can you do that with the winch under load?

In a word, yes.  However, you make a good point.  It is more difficult
under load, but if you REALLY NEED to stop the winch, you probably won't
notice the difference.  

John

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:59:01 -0400
From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Series III U-Joints

Con

You can get U-joints for a SIII (size 3-7/32) down at your nearest
Canadian Tire store. The part # you are after is 15-2151-4. I just
picked up a couple last week. Think they were about $16 each.

Brett

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Well the time had come. Took ole Pig out for another run up. Never
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> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 10:08:27 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series III U-Joints

Brett Storey wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Con
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>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 18 lines)]
> > Con Seitl
> > 1973 III 88 "Pig"

 Brett:  Just the info I was looking for, Thanks. I was heading down to 
my Crappy Tire store tomorrow anyway to get some Armour-all for the 
seats. Yea, I know, but it's amazing what you can accomplish with 
slippery seats ;->

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 10:16:39 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Exporting....was Warning!...

Michael Carradine wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> At 04:05 AM 6/1/97 -0700, Con P. Seitl wrote:
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>  US Dollars to establish ther title and value.
> -Michael

That was another problem. No where is there a VIN # to be had on this 
beast. It only has a date on the engine that says it was rebuilt ( with 
the bearing specs) in 1964 from a firm in New Brunswick , Canada, that's 
probably now defunct.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:00:56 +0800
From: torque@pacific.net.sg (Lawrence Lee, Torque Class Magazine)
Subject: Re: Maximum Tyre Size

Hi,

Does anyone on the list have experience to share on fitting bigger
(diameter) tyres?

I am currently using 750-16s on the 109 and would like to have a little
more ground clearance.

What is the maximum size possible without affecting axle articulation and
steering. Also are special offset rims needed.

Thanks in advance

Lawrence Lee
Art Director,
Torque Class Magazine,
MPH Trade Publications (S) Pte Ltd,
12 Tagore Drive, Singapore 787621
Tel: 453 8200  DID: 450 6005  Fax: 453 8600

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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:10:06 -0400
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: IIA door tops/109 4-sale

Is there a canvas door top that can be used w/hard doors? I just finished
the article on Herbert Zipkin in LRO and saw his setup for removing his
door tops--pretty neat!

Sorry if this has been posted already (I'm behind in the digests) but my
wife saw the following in The Washington Post:

1967 IIA 109" 3-door, 4 w.d., 6-cyl, winch, OD, exc cond., daily driver,
RHD, $8000 obo. Must sell. 202.544.5719

I know nothing more so reply directly if interested. Does this belong to
anyone on the list?

David Russell
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 Series IIA SWB (frameover begun 18 May, 1997)
1977 FJ-40 Land Cruiser (non-running) rusted-out hulk
1996 Grand Cherokee

http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r 

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 20:50:46 -0700
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Please don't flame me, but....

A friend of mine who's been a great deal of help to me when fixing my
Rover has asked me to send theis message, so please, no flames.

I have a friend who had a '62 IIA a long time ago (actually, he went to
school with Bill C at RPI, when he had his IIA).  One of the things he
wanted to do back then was to install an overdrive, but he never got
around to it.   Recently, he gave up searching for another Rover because
a particularly well restored (and this is where the no-flames request
comes in) FJ40.  One thing he noticed wat that there is a similar spot
on the gearbox the spot where a Fairy overdrive would go on a Rover. 
So, he now wonders if a Fairy OD will fit an FJ40.  Have any of you
heard of this?

C

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From: b.boehlers@olsy.dk (Bent Boehlers)
Subject: RE: Series III U-Joints
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:59:45 +0200
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Con P. Seitl[SMTP:seitl@ns.sympatico.ca]

I'm thinking u-joints, 
never replaced any of the four in the last 12 years, so I'm on borrowed 
time I think. What is a good u-joint replacement? I remeber someone 
saying that the joints for a 1977 6cyl Blazer will fit nicely. Anyone got 
better ideas? I'm going to replace all of them, hopefully that will take 
care of the vibration.

To get the vibration away, take care and mark everything
during the dismounting.
Everything in the transmission is ballanced, if You 
by accident connect it wrong, You might get realy much 
vibration, that very fast can destroy the u-joints.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

bent@boehlers-dk.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 00:02:29 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: folding sidestep

Clinton D. Coates wrote:
> snip
> Has anyone tried to install one of those folding sidesteps to the
> passenger side of an 88 or 109 that has the passenger under the seat gas
> tank (this is for a lhd rig)?  snip
> I guess two holes have to be drilled in the sill support.

Yes you have to do some drilling.  I've installed these but not on a
side tank vehicle (109SW).

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: b.boehlers@olsy.dk (Bent Boehlers)
Subject: RE: engine swap
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:14:48 +0200
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Adrian Redmond[SMTP:channel6@post2.tele.dk]

Dear Adrian!

I am sorry to say, it is not me, that got that machine.
But I would have loved to change my V8 to a diesel, 
because of the tax on petrol in Denmark. But the cost 
against the better km/litre is not giving enough, I am 
mostly doing short trips in Copenhagen.

It is someone from the eastern sealand part of the Danish 
Land-Rover Club, and he do not have internet access. 

good luck - if your friend does have to pay the tax on this one, I'd
love to hear what the going rate is - just for "a friend" of mine you
understand!

I do not think it will ever be payed, the idea is to use 
it for off-road competitions.

Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers

bent@boehlers-dk.com

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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:59:54 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: CB40 may not be sold in US

 Detroit Auto News reports on 
 http://detnews.com/AUTOS/9612/11/talk/talk.htm

       "Rover executives in Britain say the new company's new
        Land Rover Heartland, a compact sport-ute better known
        by its code name CB40, may not be sold in the United
        States after production begins in late 1997."

 Could it be because Honda is making a new truck that looks
 just like it for around $20K, as does Toyota RAV4 and the
 new Kia from Korea?

-Michael

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 01:44:40 -0100
From: Alan DuBoff <aland@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: CB40 may not be sold in US

At 11:59 PM 6/1/97 -0700, Michael Carradine wrote:

>       "Rover executives in Britain say the new company's new
>        Land Rover Heartland, a compact sport-ute better known
>        by its code name CB40, may not be sold in the United
>        States after production begins in late 1997."

I have to wonder if these guys are even making $$$s. When you consider the
enormous amount of warranty work along with the dropping sales, it just
doesn't seem to add up. They do seem to be selling Discos, which would
appear to be their bread and butter at this point. Defenders probably cost
them too much time and labor to build, most likely why they don't have very
many of them.

> Could it be because Honda is making a new truck that looks
> just like it for around $20K, as does Toyota RAV4 and the
> new Kia from Korea?

All the reports seemed to imply that the Freeloader was better offroad than
the competition, but who knows. I'm sure the competition can eat LR for
breakfast (they seem like a poorly managed company), but I expected to see
better results from BMW. BMW probably figures they can build a new UTE in
the same time it would take to get the Freeloader to market, so whats the
point...I thought it looked nice, much like a mini Disco that is missing
the aquarium windows (that don't act much like an aquarium...most seem to
leak! ;-)

Alan DuBoff
Software Orchestration, Inc.
aland@ibm.net

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 02:11:16 +0000
Subject: Re: CB40 may not be sold in US

 Michael Carradine writes:

[  Detroit Auto News reports on 
[  http://detnews.com/AUTOS/9612/11/talk/talk.htm 
[        "Rover executives in Britain say the new company's new
[         Land Rover Heartland, a compact sport-ute better known
[         by its code name CB40, may not be sold in the United
[         States after production begins in late 1997." 
[  Could it be because Honda is making a new truck that looks
[  just like it for around $20K, as does Toyota RAV4 and the
[  new Kia from Korea?

That was last December -- rather stale news.  The CB40 is now 
officially the "Freelander".  Latest news is that LRNA didn't want it 
in the US -- at least intially -- because it would undercut the 
success of the Disco.  Rover Group has indicated it will do some 
gentle arm-twisting with LRNA.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Zenith 361V popping noises
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 9:13:23 BST

> >Some P.O. has installed a Zenith 361V on my '65 SWB.  Since I fixed the
> >exhaust problems (which were monumental) I've had a chance to listen to
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> halves.  If they had put a fifth joining bolt at the rear of the carburetor
> this warping problem would not occur, but they didn't.

In my case, I had these symptoms (except the popping) because of faulty
gaskets on the "Economy Device" - the little triangular bit. No hole was
visible in the economy diaphraghm. The O-ring was replaced too, and you
wouldn't believe the difference - all for 5 bits out of a 7 quid overhaul
kit! UK Zeniths should have the hole blocked if bought and/or fitted by
a Landy garage (both SIII parts book  and Haynes show the "factory plug").
Also, mine was 6 months old, so body warping seemed unlikely.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Queen's Birthday Long Weekend Trip - Brindabella
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 17:47:00 +1000

For those Aussies who might be going to the Brindabella Range near
Canberra next weekend, if you see a Caspian Blue Rangie (possibly
with an odd-looking home-made jerry can holder on the back tow hitch
mount) and in company with some J*panese 4WDs, it may be me.

Say hello.

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see
http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:37:36 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Terje Krogdahl <terje@multix.no>
Subject: Re: removing hi-lo gearbox

On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Floris Houniet wrote:

> Yesterday I changed the oil of the gearboxes, and recovered two 5x4 mm
> pieces of metal in the transfer oil. Gulp. They look like bendover tabs,
> this because they are exactly identical and have the thickness of a
> washer. about 1.5mm.

Hmmm... never been too far inside a IIa box, but I think this applies:

On the rear end of the mainshaft (which comes out of the main box and
into the transfer box) there is a big nut, held in place by a washer with
tabs like the ones you describe. On my SIII gearbox, and a friends, the
tabs on the washer have broken. Not the end that bends over the nut, but
the two tabs that enter the gear on the shaft to keep the washer from
moving.

This failure causes the nut to loosen, which in turn allows the mainshaft
to move a bit backwards and forwards, which in turn may lead to strange
things happening inside the main box, such as two gears engaging at the
same time.

To check this, leave the box in the vehicle, undo the rear cover / remove
overdrive (as applicable), uncrew the nut. Use a hammer and a chisel if
you don't have the special tool. Remove the broken lock washer, add a
new one, tighten up, replace all parts and off you go.

Any IIa hacks out there, please correct me if this is different on the IIa
box.

Rgds,

Terje Krogdahl
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

telnet 144.92.240.17 666
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 18:43:40 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: removing hi-lo gearbox

Terje Krogdahl wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Floris Houniet wrote:
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> E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lysaker Torg 25       Fax     +47 6711 3501
>                             N-1324, Lysaker       Direct  +47 6711 3657

The tabs may also be of the longer tabed washer that should be replaced 
with a short tab washer when fitting the overdrive. Could the last one in 
the box inadvertantly left the long one instead, and these are now the 
tabs tha are trying to escape? Just a thought!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig" ( with Overdrive )

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