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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:41:52 EST
Subject: Re: Land Rover Centre -- anyone tried them?

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

>>I was wondering if anyone has ever done business with them or tried to 
>>import one from the UK to the US.

i sent away for information from them, got a pretty timely response, and a 
simple letter stating the different levels of preperation that were 
available, with prices in the 12-15K dollar range for 88's after 
importation. At the bottom a clever disclaimer stating "these trucks were 
never meant for daily or highway driving". Baloney I say...
Never did do any biz with em though, but they seemed nice enough on the 
phone.  It would cost you less to go over there yourself and buy and ship a 
beater, and then restore it yourself. Plus you'll know exactly what 
condition its in and there will be no surprises other than a snapped axle 
or two...

Good luck
DaveB.
72 SIII SWB "Green Car"
Arlington VA
"Ask me about ANYONE...nobody touches my baby but me"

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:09:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: DC Meeting

I nominate the West Lawn of the White House. Then we can off-road on The
Hill.

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 07:55:58 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Rovers return to the USA

>>>Lets face it traditional Land Rovers *ooze* (literally) style. 

Err, it sure don't smell like style...!!

DaveB.

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:03:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.4.1, SECURITY (703)604-2590 X6318"
Subject: Re: DC area Meeting!

Sunday, Apr 13 sound good to me.  As for a location, I would prefer West
Potomac Park since it's only about 5 minutes from home.

The new Alexandria Land Rover Centre also sounds like an interesting option. 
Regardless of where we meet, I would be interested in attending their grand
opening.

Dan

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Subject: Re: A few queries about my new SIII
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 15:29:06 +0100
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>The SIII Parts Manual gives the 88 and 109 rims separate part numbers 
>(231601PM and NRC7578PM) so I had assumed that they were different sizes. 
>However, It certainly would not surprise me if you were right.

They are both 16 inch, but the standard 109 rims are wider than the 88 
rims.
I think the 88 inch rims are 16x5j and the 109's are 16x5.5j. But I could 
be wrong
as I use my memory now. Not as far as good as a manual or parts-cataloque.

Marc Rengers
mr@grant.media-gn.nl
Westeremden, Holland

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 21:27:44 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: 2.25 Head Valves

Hi all!
The "Pig" will soon have 'er new powerhouse (;-), picking up the head 
today. Got 4 Stelite exhaust valves and noticed the keepers are the 2 
groove style, while the keepers for the new inlet valves are the one 
groove style. Can I mix these like this?, or should I try find inlets 
with the one groove? And while I'm at it, should I bother putting new 
keepers on, the old ones seem fine?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"  -soon to be snorting again-
1962 II  88 "Millie"  -electrickety problems-

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 08:28:22 EST
Subject: Re[2]: DC Meeting

>I nominate the West Lawn of the White House. Then we can off-road on The 
>Hill.

No *hill* too steep, no (White)water too deep...

DaveB.
Arlington VA

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:16:13 -0500
From: William Mitchell <bill@whm-atty.com>
Subject: Wipers for Series IIA

Does anyone have ideas, experience, etc. re replacing the wimpy wiper
motors on a late SIIA with something that will actually move a little
snow out of the way?

Bill
'65 SIIA 109 "Rowdy"
-- 
William H. Mitchell, Jr.          e-mail:  bill@whm-atty.com
ph:  (413) 256-0600               fx:  (413) 256-0654

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 09:19:01 EST
Subject: Re: 2.25 Head Valves

> the keepers for the new inlet valves are the one groove style. Can I 
>mix these like this?, or should I try find inlets with the one groove? 
>And while I'm at it, should I bother putting new keepers on, the old 
>ones seem fine?

yes, no, no.
DaveB.
72 SIII SWB "Green Car"
Arlington VA
"Ask me about ANYONE...nobody touches my baby but me"

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From: "Richard P. Biby" <rich@comm-data.com>
Subject: DC Area Meeting
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:53:51 -0500 (EST)

I'm up for it any weekend! My vote is for a DC or VA location...
I'm not sure the SIII will make it to Maryland, and the 
beltway is not a good place to learn to fix new things :-)

Rich

96 Disco    71 SIII 
-- 
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:08:40 -0500
From: Martin Eglitis <Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Rovers return to the USA

>The Pres. of BMW also admited that the Rover Group made a mistake for
>designing the LR Freelander(CB40) & MGF for only European markets.
In the April AUTOMOBILE, the spin was that LRNA specifically declined
having the CB40 targeted for the US market. The feeling was, with the
Discovery selling so briskly, the baby LandRover would only steal sales
from the Discovery. From the short article, LRNA apparently are still in
need of convincing, although it is now pretty clear that the
Free/Highlander is coming to the US at some point.

Martin Eglitis
'94 Discovery

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:05:15 -0500
From: Lee Levitt <wheelman@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning LR Parts Clearance!!!

If any of the Boston crowd needs this stuff, I'm driving down to
Philadelphia from Boston on Sunday and will return Wednesday evening...can
pick up stuff on the way back if you work a deal with Brian.

Too bad none of this stuff would work on my Rangie.

Lee

At 10:42 PM 4/3/97 -0500, Brian Cramer wrote:
>Hi All,
>I've promised the wife that I'd clean out the garage, hence the following
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
>'90 RR County
>'73 SIII SWB
Lee Levitt, mailto:wheelman@shore.net
Director, Business Development, Software.com - http://www.Software.com
webmaster, NeedhamOnline - http://www.NeedhamOnline.com
and Bicycle Classics, Inc. - http://www.BicycleClassics.com
1990 Audi 200T, 75K
1995 Range Rover County LWB, 45K, member Bay State Rovers
1987 Wicked Fat Chance, 1981 Condor

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 11:42:00 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Rovers Return

I forgot to add two thing:
1) BMW admitted that LRs success has been keeping Rover cars alive.
2) "Rover will produce cars with Jaguar luxury at Rover prices" (what
ever that means)

Rover On,
David L Glaser                      '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu                '94 Discovery, Teal

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:48:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rovers Return

In a message dated 97-04-04 12:22:33 EST, you write:

<< 2) "Rover will produce cars with Jaguar luxury at Rover prices" (what
 ever that means) >>

Up until now the defenders have been LR luxury at Jaguar prices. (At least in
the US)
Nate

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From: "John J. Tackley" <John.Tackley@state.va.us>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:38:11 -5
Subject: Re: Wipers for Series IIA

I'm not sure you are talking wiper or wiper motor when you say 
"move some snow".  Trico makes a universal length wiper arm that 
fits. Personally I prefer the blades and arms off MGBs.  The arms 
screw rather than press on and they also will pivot to stand out of 
the way when cleaning and squeegeeing the glass.  Only problem is 
that all MGBs arms are lefts...you must drill out the rivit, slightly 
shorten and flip the arm to make a right arm.
Maybe you should just take the snow shovel with you.........

*'73 Land Rover SIII-88 - "Gen. Lee"*
*'81 300SD - 170k miles* "Hiway Limo"
*'89 H-D FLHS - "Oink" "That'l do pig"*
*'92 F-150 Flare Side "Tow-er"

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Date: 	Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:49:17 -0800
From: chad arie <csarie@agt.net>
Subject: Subscribing to the list

Hello, I'd like to subscribe to your list.
Thanks in advance.
chad arie

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:58:31 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Tow hitch and rear step

Richard says:

>> >Re. Rear steps. Has anyone tried fitting a rear step to a military x-member?
>	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>> vehicle's axis, but at a 30 to 45 degree angle, so the step is exactly where 
>> you need it. Hope this is clear?

>yep. Moving it to the right (the opposite of what your are saying) would
>be a definite no-no.

>Move it to the left, does this interfere with the trailer socket (which is
>to the left of the tow hitch?
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
>> you need it. Hope this is clear?

Sorry, mine is on the right, the step is on the left. Looks like you can't win!
Sorry
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 19:41:35 UT
From: "Trevor Talbot" <fc101@msn.com>
Subject: Re.Queries about Series 111

Andy Woodward & David Lee ref LR wheels

Andy & Dave
There is a difference between LWB & SWB rims. The LWB rim is 1/2 inch wider to 
take the 750-16 tyre. If you are going to fit 205-16 tyres  (Range Rover) on a 
SWB it is better to use LWB rims but having said that ,my first set of  205-16 
tyres were run on SWB rims and I couldn't wear them out!!! There must be lots 
of people running larger tyres on SWB rims. Hope this helps.

Cheers 
Trevor      101 FC GS
                 88 SWB S/Wagon
                 86 Series 1 SWB 

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 15:49:33 -0500
From: "F. Park" <xfipark@erols.com>
Subject: Re: DC area Meeting!

Greenbelt... good. (Isn't there a Hummer dealer across the street? 
                    A show-down challenge?)
DC... bad. (My L-R don't like DC roads)
Alexandria... hmmm. (That's even farther than DC for me)

Franklin, SIIA 109

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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 01:23:52 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: Re: Paint

howdi,

The NATO paint is IRR (my truck is covered in it ;-) ). Not sure though 
if its " Infrared Resistant" or "Infrared Reflecting" although I assume 
infrared absorbing judging by how hot it gets inside in full sunlight ;-).

Hope this helps, if you need details I'll look on my can.
Cheers,
Todd

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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 02:27:57 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: The one that was taken away ;-(

Hi,

	Though you might like to hear about the Land Rover that nobody 
in the US will never see in the name of clean air and safety (ie DOT and 
EPA regs). I was at my local surplus LR dealer today and one of the 
mechanics there told me about a 109 that they just receved from the Dutch 
army. He said its practically new and I have to see it. I assumed that it 
would be above average but nothing really THAT special. We took a walk 
into the yard and what I saw I absolutly could not beleive!! He had, 
sitting there, a 1977 109 diesel, NEW engine, NEW front axle, NEW frame, 
NEW transmission, NEW springs, ETC, ETC, ETC. Other than the paint, this 
vehicle could've rolled off the production line yesterday!!! Now for the 
price, I hope everybody is sitting down and has a box of kleenex handy 
;-) , they're asking 9000 dfl (+/- 4500$us) for it!!!!!!!! This 109 is 
perfect in every way! I could've cried! I'm still wracking my brain and 
burning up the telephone lines to EPA and DOT for a way to get it into 
the US but as you know "rules are rules and we only enfoce them". Oh 
well, I guess I can look at it this way, I've done my part for "clean air 
and safety" in the US by not importing this gem (NOT!!) ;-((((((((

Please excuse me now as I'm going to go into my bedroom and cry ;-)))

Cheers,
Todd

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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 01:38:05 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: Re: PSP

Hello again,

Regarding "PSP", "Morrison matting", "Martsen mat", or whatever you 
prefer to call the stuff that looks like thick sheet metal with holes in it
that can be linked to each other, I know and can get literally tons of 
it. If the demand is there I can bring however much you need (and can pay 
for ;-) ) with me when I move in July (see my previous posting "Parts 
from Europe"). 

Cheers,
Todd

PS. If there are any of you who beleive I am being "too commercial" for 
the list, please let me know. I havnt read a "charter" yet so I dont 
really know where the line is.

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:51:45 +0100
From: "Christian Lester." <clester@ibm.net>
Subject: LWB Speedo & Adjustable Dixon-Bate tow hitch.

Dear Whoever,

I am after the above two items (second hand) as I've recently moved on
up to 750 x 16 SAT's and as a consequence I've no idea how fast I'm
going ! The adjustable tow hitch is necessitated 'cos I am wanting to
get off road, and the present drop plate is going to be doing a fair
impression of a ground anchor if I don't get it sorted! If anyone in the
Merseyside area has either of the above please let me know.

Regards, Chris. SWB IIa 1966 "Girty"

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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:17:32 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: LWB Speedo & Adjustable Dixon-Bate tow hitch.

Chris,

>I am after the above two items (second hand) as I've recently moved on
>up to 750 x 16 SAT's and as a consequence I've no idea how fast I'm
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>impression of a ground anchor if I don't get it sorted! If anyone in the
>Merseyside area has either of the above please let me know.

With a little practice, you should be able to tell your speed pretty
accurately by the scream of those SATs.  But of course, I'm forgetting,
nowadays one would be wearing hearing protection.

Granny

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From: RickmLevin@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:18:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: B B & B Tour

In a message dated 97-03-26 21:36:24 EST, you write:

<< Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
 New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
  >>

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From: "Brian Willoughby" <lndrvr@ldd.net>
Subject: Enough Volvo jokes
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:28:43 -0600

While there may not be many of us, I am proud to admit that I have owned
four Volvos, two of which I still have:  a '63 PV544 Sport (complete with
racing cam, oil cooler, header and free flow exhaust) and an '87 240DL. 
And for what it's worth, the 544 still has its original SUs and I adore
them; with Webers the car loses all its character.  The SUs have no
silencing so the rush of the air being sucked into the engine is very
audible and it's a sound that most old Volvo fans refuse to live without. 
The 240 is the daily driver and as tough as nails.  I've also owned another
240 (a '76 244DL) and a 122S (1968 Wagon).  Old Volvos were very sporting
and are tremendous fun to drive even in comparison to modern cars.  It's
hard to believe that the 544 and the 240 were made by the same company so
different is their personalities.  The common thread is their toughness and
solidity.  I guess that's what makes me own them in addition to a
Land-Rover.

Brian

1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" SW
1963 Volvo PV544 Sport
1987 Volvo 240DL

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:30:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Enough Volvo jokes

Volvo jokes? I thought jokes about female anatomy were off-limits ;-)

pat "never been in a Volvo since I was born" parsons
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:40:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Paint

In a message dated 4/4/97 9:29:20 PM, Todd wrote:

>The NATO paint is IRR (my truck is covered in it ;-) ). Not sure though 
>if its " Infrared Resistant" or "Infrared Reflecting" although I assume 
>infrared absorbing judging by how hot it gets inside in full sunlight ;-).

IRR-- Invisible on Range Rovers (as in who'd paint a Rangie *that* color?)
IRR-- Italian Retreating Regiment (who drove green Fiat jeeps with 4 reverse
speeds)

pat
93  110 
(IRR-- I'm Really boRed right now, so i'm sitting on line getting my
unlimited time's worth of up-to-the-minute-postings.)

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:49:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: DC area Meeting!

Sunday at 1pm:  Written in on the family schedule.

I'd prefer Greenbelt but I have no real objections to the other locales.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 21:57:23 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Rear steps

> Actually, If you look at LR genuine folding rear step, it mountsd to the
> left of the tow hitch, and should/does not interfear ith the towhitch at
> all.

The original SII/IIA rear step was centered. It mounted to two "hinge
halfs" bolted to the bottom of the crossmember. Sometime between '64 and
'68 a revised rear step was introduced which was offset to the left. It
mounted to a bracket which hangs from the crossmember.

SIIs (at least some) had rectangular steps instead of the oblong still
used later. If anyone has a short (11 1/2") rectangular step, I could
use it on our SII SW.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 22:16:06 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Rovers return to the USA

> The Pres. of BMW also admited that the Rover Group made a mistake for
> designing the LR Freelander(CB40) & MGF for only European markets.  All
> new cars & LR will be designed for all major world markets, including the US.

Automotive News reported he said the Freelander would not be
economically viable to compete in North America.

> Why does the phrase "designed for all major world markets" fill me with fear...
> Can we expect Rover to start designing it cars for the US, at the expense of cars like the MGF for Europe???
> Anyway, I would have thought they would have liked the CB40 "out there"

There are some signficant differences between US and European
requirements and expectations in a number of areas including emissions
and crashworthiness. One is not better or worse, just different. The US
Corporate Average Fuel Economy law and it's somewhat arbitrary criteria
for what constitutes a truck compared to a car can impact what is sold
in the US. So the CB40 may not be viable due to regulations, not
customer preferences. The needed redesign, tooling and validation could
amount to a lot of money.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 22:58:38 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: DC area Meeting!

Greenbelt is very close to me, but either location is OK.

I actually went to LR Alexandria today.  Nice place, nice people,
everyone there is very enthusiastic about the product.  What blew me
away was that they had about 30 back issues of LRO!

Rover On,
David L Glaser

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 00:13:10 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: LRW reads this list

Amazing: Part of the exchange Dixon and I had on the LRO list last fall
about LRO and LRW magazines is quoted in the "Club News" section of LRW,
April issue. They did print the uncomplementary parts as well. No e-mail
to me since I've switched ISPs. Looks like somebody is reading this.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 00:24:51 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LRW reads this list - Correction

I wrote:
> Amazing: Part of the exchange Dixon and I had on the LRO list last fall
> about LRO and LRW magazines is quoted in the "Club News" section of LRW,
> April issue. They did print the uncomplementary parts as well. No e-mail
> to me since I've switched ISPs. Looks like somebody is reading this.

Careful reading of LRW reveals that a Mike Rogers forwards Internet
tidbits to LRW, rather than LRW reading this.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 09:22:36 +0100
From: A Tall Daft Stranger <stevehobbs@enterprise.net>
Subject: Re: Wipers for Series IIA

> "move some snow".  Trico makes a universal length wiper arm that 
> fits. Personally I prefer the blades and arms off MGBs.  The arms 
> screw rather than press on and they also will pivot to stand out of 
> the way

Err... My S3 has pivoting arms that screw onto the drive shaft. They're
original items too.

-- 
Steve Hobbs.
.. I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 09:28:28 +0100
From: A Tall Daft Stranger <stevehobbs@enterprise.net>
Subject: Re: Paint

In message <bulk.23728.19970404144953@Land-Rover.Team.Net> you wrote:

> The NATO paint is IRR (my truck is covered in it ;-) ). Not sure though 
> if its " Infrared Resistant" or "Infrared Reflecting" although I assume 
> infrared absorbing judging by how hot it gets inside in full sunlight ;-).

It is 'Reflective', so that the vehicle appears less obvious when viewed
through IR glasses. Grass and plants appear bright white, as they reflect IR,
whereas vehicles absorb a fair amount, and therefore appear darker.

-- 
Steve Hobbs.
.. A wise man once said.... I don't know...

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Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:50:02 +0100
From: A Tall Daft Stranger <stevehobbs@enterprise.net>
Subject: Re: PSP

In message <bulk.10457.19970403195952@Land-Rover.Team.Net> you wrote:

> Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
> >In my search, I couldn't locate any source in either the UK or US
> >including some of the expedition suppliers (Slavin, Mantec, etc.)
> >Seems like the world supply has dried up.

If you want to get PSP in the UK, L.W.Vass in Bedford have tons (literally).
I bought a 10ft length of nearly new PSP last winter, for 21 ukp.
Their number is in LROi.
Incidentally, I would recommend them to anybody buying a second hand Landy,
having seen their workshops and the work they do - first class refurbishments.

Hope this helps...

-- 
Steve Hobbs.
.. Show me a sane man.  I'll cure him for you.

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Subject: Re: bfg tires
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 97 11:41:51 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Sorry for the cross post and maybe it is common knowledge, but I just went
>surfing to the bfgoodrich page and found out that they no longer make tires.
>That is now handled by uniroyal goodrich tire company. Did I miss out on
>something????

I recently had cause to return a BFG Trac Edge tyre to a dealer. It had 
split all around the rim on the inside and was only noticed when I went 
for the annual MOT inspection. I had these tyres (235x85x16) fitted to my 
110 only last summer and have run about 7000 miles on them, needles to 
say I was a bit miffed when I realised I now had a useless tyre so soon 
after paying 100quid for it.

The dealer was very helpful but said that BFG had recently been bought 
out and was now part of Michelin and because f this he held out little 
help of me getting a refund or replacement tyre. He said that BFG had a 
very good customer relations record but Michelin did not seem to believe 
that customer relations was important at all and he had NEVER had a 
favourable response to a customers complaint.

The dealer offered me a used tyre as an emergency spare whilst he sent 
the defective Trac Edge back for evaluation by Michelin or he would fit a 
new tyre, which I pay for, and then he would refund the money if Michelin 
agreed that the tyre was faulty. I figured that I would need a new tyre 
whatever the outcome so I bought a new one and now I just hope I will get 
the money back. (Also he said that it was not certain whether I would get 
the duff one back either, not that its any good I just hate the thought 
of giving them the evidence and not seeing it again even if they say its 
not their fault - hardly an impartial adjudication is it)

I'll let you know the outcome.

Simon Ward-Hastelow
'85 110 V8

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