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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:01:15 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Re: Patches

For anyone who is interested,  I have determined that the footwells are
made of 18 guage sheet steel and the chassis is made of 14 guage.

Dean

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                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:26:31 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Valve Guides, Lost Mail et al

I'm back! I'm back! Somewhere along the line I lost all my mail, got 
kicked off the list, and started withdrawl pains.  Thanks ALL for the 
private e-mail, got back on the list and found you again! Thanks for the 
info on the valve guide problem, got that sorted out now. Still can't 
understand why the BL parts catalogue doesn't match up with the BL parts 
I have and the Rovers North cat does!  I lost the threads on the cyl 
head, but I'll ask again. I think a trip to the archives is in order!

Thanks to all!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 8:07:39 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Vise Grip Warranty

Hey Nate, next time try a big'un pipe wrench, or the 4" angle grinder.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 8:16:15 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Brian Hanson's untimely demise...

This person must have been in San Diego last week. It seems all his LR 
mail is bouncing to the list as undeliverable.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:30:16 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Vise Grip Warranty

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hi all,
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> theroretically speaking, of course ; )
> Nate
> NADdMD@aol.com

You shouldn't have any problem returning the grips if the jaw broke. 
They'll even take them back if the jaws are twisted. I have returned 
grips when the finish corroded off them. I had used them with around 
Muriatic Acid and it really did a job on them. Sales clerk said, "Gee, 
they look terible, must have been a bad batch they ran off" Got a new 
pair. I used to sell these things through my tool truck and did warranty 
for all kinds of reasons. I just happen to be a Vise-Grip fan, ask anyone 
who's seen my tool box. I got standard, metric, left hand ,right hand, 
and the new no hand. ;-)

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:41:11 -0500
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Movie Sighting

     All,
     
     I think someone was keeping a list, so...
     
      A 1972ish movie called something like "It Came From Beyond Space," 
     which *appeared* to be nothing more than an unsuccessful pilot for 
     Brit TV bought by someone in the US who added titles at front and back 
     and called it a movie.  Anyway, real B-grade camp with an almost 
     continuous presence of a green Series I.  This amusing movie looks a 
     lot like "The Avengers" without Steed and Mrs. Peel.  Of course, that 
     show had its own episode featuring a Series "military truck."  Well, 
     of course, space is infinite, and nothing comes from *beyond* it, and 
     the first 5 seconds (!) of the movie contains the first instance of 
     the usual generic "outer space noise."  Anyway, Sci-Fi Channel last 
     weekend.
     
     Ready to turn all Trekkies into Soylent Green,
     Hank
     
     P.S.
     Red Disco briefly visible in one of the old Seinfeld episodes.
     Giddy-up.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 14:39:17 CST
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:55:18 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: RE: series III springs - Question

Dear Sir,
The main difference is ride , the heavy duty springs have an additional 1 to 2 
leaves, depemdong on manufacture. This will give a slight amount of ride hight 
increase for a short time untill they relax. For the long hall they will be a 
slightly stiffer ride...No Land Rover spring is indellible...regardless of 
what the rest of the vehicle can do...

Yours,

JWROVER@MSN.COM

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From: 	Alain-Jean PARES
Sent: 	Friday, March 28, 1997 1:07 AM
Subject: 	series III springs - Question

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Hi, just a question.

What's the differerence between Springs and Heavy Duty Springs ?, and are they 
swapable ?

Alain-Jean PARES
88 D Serie III RHD
Bourron Marlotte, FRANCE
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Date: 28 Mar 1997 10:21:28 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Need a Door Top

Does anyone have a right side door top for a SIII that they'd like to sell? 
It doesn't need to have glass, but I would like for it to not have a
fist-sized rust hole like I found on mine when I pulled off that #*$^%# SIII
interior trim yesterday.

Also, can someone post the telephone number of the place in Vermont (not RN)
which is parting out Series trucks.  It was posted on the list sometime during
the last few weeks, but I misplaced it.

Thanks much,

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88" HT (How many rust holes are needed before I can call it a
"lightweight"?)
Waterford, CT

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Tom Proctor
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:15:51 +0000

Tom Proctor...please contact me directly, or if anyone knows his address
please respond as well
Thanks
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:17:31 -0500
From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Subject: Belize??

Could somebody fill me in on the when/wheres of the trip?
sorry if I slept thru any previous posts on this..
Jan

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:15:44 -0800 (PST)
From: " Fred  Herman" <hfherman@hotmail.com>
Subject: US registration with UK plates

I recently went through the ordeal of registering my 1969 SIIa in Virginia, and
I thought some of what happened might be helpful to others on the list.  The
truck was brought in from the UK with all of the paperwork - including a
current MoT.  The plates on the truck were original(1969), as shown on the MoT.
 When I asked at the DMV about using the UK plates I was told Virginia has a
vintage plate rule.  Basically, this allows anyone with an old (subjective) car
to use an original plate as long as it is from the vehicle manufacture year
i.e. a 1969 car must have a 1969 license plate. The plate does not have to be
original to that car.  I was told that quite a few people go to junk yards and
buy the year plate they need.  You then take this plate with you when
registering your car.  The DMV does a check to make sure the number is not in
use, and assuming it is free the number is assigned to your car.  It registers
as a daily driver, not an antique with use restrictions.

Good luck in using those old UK plates.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:50:29 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: What cooked my starter?

Baby just had a starter transplant. The old starter quit, and when we
opened it, the brushes had been reduced to powder. The electrical shop said
the problem was overheating. What would make a starter overheat so
radically?  In the course of the starter transplant, we replaced the
flimsy-looking power lead with a very fat "six volt" one-gauge cable. We
replaced the cable after we found that it was receiving twelve volts and
delivering nine. Would the undersize wire possibly have caused the
overheating? If so, there are lots of Land Rovers out there with
potentially damaging power cables to their starters.

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. | _ |  | --]   Ned Heite,                <DARWIN><
. =(O)-----(O)=  Camden, DE 19934          / \  / \
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"Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover
Wool Camp in Iceland:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:17:32 -0500 (EST)
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Traceability

I just rec'd my "Birth Certificate" for my Rover (#24435855)from the
Traceability dept. "On or about the 18th February 1969." It's interesting
to note that #'s 854 and 856 were both "born" before mine and sent to
Leyland San Francisco and Leyland Los Angeles. Mine was sent to Leyland
Baltimore.

David Russell
David_R@mindspring.com
1969 Series IIA SWB (runs great, just needs a new frame)
1977 FJ-40 Land Cruiser (non-running) rusted-out hulk
1996 Grand Cherokee--"I wish I were a Discovery"

http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r <---NEW stuff, just updated!!

"Intel Inside"...The world's most widely used warning label."
(unknown)

courtesy Nanther's Mac Quotes,  http://members.aol.com/twfms/macquotes.html

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From: Joe Ankeny <jankeny@express-hr.com>
Subject: Locking hubs/IIa
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:35:30 -0600

Is the Dualmatic hub company out of Golden Colorado still extant? I need
the damn flip levers. Of the four all but one  have been broken off by
rocks and sagebrush. If they are no longer available does anyone have
suggestions as to which rainbow I should look under to find the pot of
golden hub pieces\parts?
Thanks
Joseph Ankeny 

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:46:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Famous Four & UK Parts Buying

Listers: I would also like to reinforce recent endorsements of Famous Four.
Not only do they have great prices and service they also stand behind the
stuff they sell. Recently I was sent a new AC Thermostat switch, a Gen-u-ine
part, from them which was not correct (LRs fault - correct catalog number,
wrong part) and Martin Stebbing has been relentless in contacting LR for me
to straighten things out. The correct part will be on its way as I write
this. They have an email address (Fam4x4@Aol.com) and will respond relatively
quickly (in a day or two). I have a feeling that the volume of business they
get is growing and may be slowing them down a tad.
Anyway, they can rush stuff to you UPS regular or overnight. Regular UPS
takes about a week to Cleveland, Ohio. UPS then sends you a customs invoice
(about 8 to 10 percent). The upshot is that they are much cheaper on most
items with about 3 to 4 days delay compared to the domestics. Forget dealers
unless you need warranty work.
Cheers. Andy Blackley
PS Almost forgot: Kudos to Bill Caloccia for the great update of the LRO and
RRO indexs, especially the /today/html  for impatient Digesters. Check it
out.

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: US registration with UK plates
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:00:35 +0000

At 05:15 PM 3/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I recently went through the ordeal of registering my 1969 SIIa in Virginia, and
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>>>SO from what Fred wrote I am assuming that he did not get to use the UK
Plates on the Rover he was trying to register here in the states... 

>>>There had been some discussion about this very subject some time
back..seems a LRO in Virginia  (I think) had managed to register a Rover
using plates from the UK.
     I have no idea how he did this but I can tell you it absolutely can not
be done in New York..   
   If this person did in fact register his vehicle in the US with UK Reg
plates he "got away with one" 
   quite possibly the DMV clerk did not bother to physically see the plate
and just took the number from the UK tag that the LRO Put down on the form.

 
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 21 Mar 97 20:45:53 +0000
Subject: A few queries about my new SIII.

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren) 

(Sorry for reposting this, but I seem to have lost the list, dunno why! 
I'll resubscribe and see if that sorts it! Could folks reply by e-mail 
as well as the list???? Thanks!!!)
 
Hi there all, 
 
I've had my Landie about a week now, so I've got a few things you might 
be able to help with???? What a bunch of great guys!!!! :-) 
 
I have 6.00 x 16 Avon Traction Mileage tyres, on SWB rims. What pressure 
should they be at????? 
 
If I wanted to change to radials with a road bias, would I be better 
getting LWB rims, or just road tyres to fit these rims??? (All the tyres 
are good, and I canna afford to change them now!) 
 
I have indicator bulbs in the dash, however when I start to indicate, a 
yellow lights glows momentarily, then goes out. It's in the small centre 
console type bit! Any ideas why???? 
 
Also in the centre console bit, there is a blue rectangular light. There 
is a sticker above it which is only partially legible, something like 
"....rake". I presume brake, but it never lights. Any ideas????? 
 
I took it off-road tonight for the first time!!! :-))))  On a slight 
hill, muddy path, 1st low, it jumped out of gear a couple of times. I 
put it into 2nd low and it was fine. I tried to get it to jump out of 
1st low a bit further along the track, but it held fine!!  ??????? 
 
Sorry about all these questions, but it's my first Landie!! 
 
TIA.... 
 
Catch you later, 
Lenny...                                                                  65/3 
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  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__] 
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________] 
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel                       ____(o)___(o)____ 
_____________________________________________________________________________ 
 
... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat. 
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro 
Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  68/3
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| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:38:17 -0800
From: Josh Fedderly <joshua_fedderly@ccm.al.intel.com>
Subject: Advice sought on refurb LR purchase

Hello all:

I am a potential Rover owner who just stumbled on this mailing list
today... what a gold mine of knowledge and experience!  I'd love to join
the proverbial club... for their utility, personality, and nostalgia (I
lived in England for a year).

I'd like to ask a question.  Ideally, I'd love to get a brand new D110. 
Obviously that is not going to happen here in the US.  Next option: 
1993 D110 NAS, for $45-$50K.  Right.  Next option:  Some sort of 109,
which is where I am stuck today.

Whatever I get, be it a Rover or not, has to serve as a daily driver. 
I've heard it said that "these vehicles were never designed to be every
day transport or to be used on motorways, and must be treated as you
would any 25 year old classic car" (from "The Land Rover Centre" of
Huddersfield, an importer).  Does this group agree with that sentiment?

I've been in touch with Renewed Traditions of Atlanta, GA concerning the
purchase of a refurbished 109.  (Gotta be a 109... an 88 won't cut it
for our needs... skiing, hockey, mountain climbing, a Great Pyrenees...)
I searched through the archives at this site and uncovered some fairly
virulent comments about Sean Sinkule and his company.  I don't mean to
open up any old wounds here, but does anyone have anything recent to say
about him/them?  I have had a decent experience so far with him...

The particular type of package I'm interested in would be a Series III
109 with their "Defender" front end and interior, with a "new" (rebuilt)
2.5L diesel and 5-spd transmission and full-time 4wd.  His price for
this vehicle would be ~$17K.  I know that's expensive, but I need a
vehicle that I can trust to be in sound mechanical condition.  If I
can't find a LWB Rover in this price range that is, I'll be forced to
get some sort of TroopRunnerFinder!

Any helpful thoughts?  I've been looking into this for three months now
and am beginning to despair that I will ever find a comfortable,
drivable, restored 109 from a trusted soul.  I can't afford to get
burned on a $15K car...

-Josh Fedderly
 Portland, OR

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:16:47 -0500
From: George Szydlowski <GeorgeEsq@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Need a Door Top

LT J Jackson wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Does anyone have a right side door top for a SIII that they'd like to sell?
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 18 lines)]
> "lightweight"?)
> Waterford, CT
I may have a doortop in Wolcott, Connecticut...George
Szydlowski.860-674-1212

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:23:30 -0600
From: krebsfam@access.usa.net (Jim Krebs)
Subject: Body Work

I have acquired replacement body panels for my Ser II 109 SW but am having
a hard time finding someone to put them on.  Does anyone know of a body
shop in the Denver area that does body work on Ser IIs?

Absent finding someone, how difficult is it to put on the replacement
panels yourself?  What skills/tools are needed?  Can it be done without
welding, even though the original is spot welded to the interior sheet
metal?

Jim Krebs
1966 Ser IIa 109 SW
1994 Defender 90

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:47:47 +0000
Subject:       Re: Fire ext.

> <<1) Where to put a fire extinguisher in a disco (so I can get at it and it 
> doesn't become a projectile in an accident)?  Where does LR put them on Camel
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> mounted on the panels next to the left rear window.   I saw another one
> mounted on the rear door itself recently.  CT:  no idea.

I have one on the rear/door ( or used to.. ) moved it to the rear 
jump handle tied on with lotsa bungies. Also I have a small one in each front 
door pocket ( until Ben Smith stepped on it somehow and set the passenger side on 
off a few weeks ago??? :)

I also have another normal one in the drivers seatback pouch.

Tomw
> Gerry Elam
> PHX  AZ  
> Trophy vehicles?>>
> I keep a small one next to the driver's door in the pocket there and one

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 02:27:22 -0500
From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Subject: Just Plain Crazy

G’day all

Well I did something totally bizarre today. I don’t know why, but I
found myself in a preventative maintenance sort of mood and changed both
rear half shafts. Not sure what came over me but I guess after changing
three broken half shafts in the last 13 years, I may have finally wised
up a bit. 

Gee…, maybe tomorrow I’ll do the yearly changing of the motor oil or
topping up of the gearbox, or something equally crazy.

Rover and out

Brett

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: Bad starter week and flooded roads
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:52:06 -0800
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Last week must have been a bad week for starters.  I went on business in =
the lower valley, when I got there I went to see my little brothers now =
living in my old fraternity.  When I got back in and turned the key, the =
starter motor spun but did not engage.  At some point I will have to =
take it apart and fix what is most likely the cyliniod but for now, =
thank god for the crank start.

On another note.  The route I take to work includes a stretch of road =
through a wetland refuge.  With all the rain we have had this winter it =
has been flooded quite a bit.  Last week I was pleased to see it flooded =
so I could drive across the temporary lake.  When I got there I found a =
small car off the road in a ditch above its windshield in water.  I got =
a chance to chain up to him a drag him back to the safety of dry land.  =
I think it made his day as much as mine.

Rove on

John Putnam
'70 SWB SIIa "Rhino"
Forest (Swamp) Grove, OR

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From: 	Ned Heite[SMTP:eheite@dmv.com]
Sent: 	Saturday, March 22, 1997 7:17 PM
Subject: 	Prince of Darkness Strikes Again

The starter died. The relay would click, but the starter was dead as a
Dalek. We discovered that the aftermarket positive line from the relay =
to
the starter was delivering only nine volts. Bingo, sez me! Replaced the
skinny little aftermarket cable with a one-gauge ("six-volt") line, and
twelve volts came from the relay. After much cussing, got the starter =
again
wired up, and still nothing happened.

Removed the starter and opened up the back end. It was packed with a
granular grey dust that might have been the brushes.  The starter was
opened and cleaned last year, when the post at the back came loose. The
local electrical shop reset the terminal post and must have cleaned it =
up.
The brushes appear to be much older than a year old.  So what happened? =
Why
would the brushes disintegrate so quickly? Should I just replace the
brushes and continue as if nothing had happened?

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. =3D(O)-----(O)=3D  Camden, DE 19934          / \  / \
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Wool Camp in Iceland:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------
Recent research:  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html -----
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:49:46 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Body Work

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I have acquired replacement body panels for my Ser II 109 SW but am having
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>Jim Krebs
>1966 Ser IIa 109 SW
>1994 Defender 90
Jim,
        I don't know about the Denver area, but you might try the First
National Garage in Boulder.  I don't know the phone or address, but they
used to be on Pearl street in the late seventies, which is when and where I
bought my first Series.  I know they are still in business because the
latest LRO had a bit about them.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keeping the oily side down

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