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1 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea37Defender CKD -NOT
2 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u24Gearboxes, continued
3 "Herman L. Stude" [herma6lack of mail
4 ericz@cloud9.net 17Re: Trade Tropical Roof for Soft Top
5 "Jeffrey B. Aronson" [766Returned mail: User unknown
6 William Caloccia [calocc41[not specified]
7 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea52[not specified]
8 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns17Valve Guides
9 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns9Where did Everybody go??
10 nobile@up.spin.it 1090 diesel
11 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea18Unsubsciption woes
12 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim30[not specified]
13 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim62[not specified]
14 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet17Cost of ARB installation
15 "Tom Walsh" [tomw@best.c28 Re: Cost of ARB installation
16 "Tom Walsh" [tomw@best.c34 Re: Cost of ARB installation ( which dealer )
17 "Tom Walsh" [tomw@best.c34 Re: Cost of ARB installation ( which dealer )
18 "Tom Walsh" [tomw@best.c61 Re: Tom- Half Shafts
19 debrown@srp.gov 42Cost of ARB installation
20 Jeff Gauvin [jeffg@miner22Re: Cost of ARB installation
21 Joe Ankeny [jankeny@expr6[not specified]
22 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns11Re: 2.25 ltr Engine Head
23 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns12Re: Valve Guides
24 "Tom Walsh" [tomw@best.c38 Re: Tom- Half Shafts, the deal with the diff
25 "Alan DuBoff" [aland@ibm21Oysters on the half shaft
26 rover@pinn.net (Alexande66B B & B Tour
27 Don MacDonald [don@direc27coil conversion
28 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan35Re: coil conversion
29 Ian Otty [imo@nelson.kcc19Disk brakes for leaf sprung Land Rover????
30 "Stefan R. Jacob" [SJaco19Re: Competition...
31 Dean Cording [dean@holly19Patches


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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Defender CKD -NOT
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:46:00 -0500

I followed up with great interest the post about Defender CKDs. The
number from the article had been disconnected (I wonder why) so I
contacted Land Rover UK via their general fax number. There was a prompt
response from a Mr Simon Maris, manager -NSC markets . The reply boiled
down to this:-

The original article was a hoax.

Land Rover are not facing any production crises.

Land Rover's workforce has been expanded.

The Range Rover is built in a different facility and has no impact on
Defender production.

There is no attempt to dissaude a Defender buyer by pushing the
Discovery.

The Defender is "the definitive utility vehicle".

The Discovery is aimed at the leisure vehicle market.

Dealers have no assembly mechanism for CKD kits.

The contact number was from their computer systems area.

Basically a non story.

BUT !!!!!

LRNA if you read this. IT WAS A NICE IDEA.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Gearboxes, continued
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:54:46 GMT

Tried all sorts of combinations, including putting the bellhousing on without
the synchro: Still locks up. Looks like the front end of the mainshaft is 
acting as a clutch against the inside of the input shaft.

Hammering the input shaft with a soft hammer has helped a little, although this
could be my imagination.

This is getting frustrating! Anyone any ideas?

(also looking for volunteers to put help put the 'box in over Easter...)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR that *might* move this March)

> Anway, the problem that's holding me up:
> When I put the bell-housing on, everything is fine, but as I tighten the four
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> PS: Voluntary gearbox lifting duty is aimed for Easter Sunday or Monday if
> anyone wants some exercise!  :-)

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:40:34 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: lack of mail

Help I haven't received any mail, do I need to resubscribe?

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:57:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Trade Tropical Roof for Soft Top

Dave,
I've got the soft-top (no hoops) but if you want to trade, I may be interested. 
 Do you have anything else to exchange? I really don't need a trop top.

Rgds,
Eri
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SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Date: 26 Mar 97 10:03:14 EST
From: "Jeffrey B. Aronson" <76255.2146@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

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Subject: Updated and revised web site -- HOW TO GET LOST DIGESTS 
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:50:37 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi all,
	The changes which have been brewing on the secondary web site
	http://www2.land-rover.team.net/

	have now been pushed to the main webserver also, (whose offical
	address is )

	

	note that '~majordomo/lr' is no longer necessary (nor supported !)

	The digest of daily mail to almost any list is available from

	today.html

	and you can view thos 'lost issues' from this past weekend there
	too !

	For those of you heading to Assateague, MD on apr 5/6 I'll see ya
	there.

	And if ya see 793 PTA on the mass pike or Rt 20 this weekend give
	us a wave ((or a tow !!)) 
    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
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   R  1  3  2wd  H		  D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2	    because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

PS	If the white Disco who flashed the green RR somewhere between
	Manchester Vt and Cambridge NY this last sunday after noon is
	a reader, then I'll say 'Howdy !'

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:09:00 -0500

>From Todays Electronic Telegraph

BMW's ?600m fuel for Rover
                   By Andrew Cave

                   BMW is to step up investment at Rover, its British
car subsidiary, by 33pc to ?600m this year, the German group announced
yesterday.

                   The investment plans were revealed in Munich as BMW
announced that Rover made a loss of Dm279m - ?105m - under German
                   accounting rules last year, compared with a Dm335m
loss in 1995. BMW, which bought Rover for ?800m in March 1994, does not
                   expect the business to make profits before the turn
of the century.

                   However, the company is increasing investment at
Rover from ?450m last year, mainly at the Solihull Land Rover plant and
the Cowley
                   works in Oxford. BMW said this is part of its plan to
improve efficiency and declined to comment on new models. However, the
higher
                   investment will be linked to Solihull for the new
Land Rover Freelander, to be launched in Frankfurt this October, and
steps to replace the
                   Cowley-built 800 and 600 models at the end of next
year.

                   Rover's turnover last year advanced from ?5.7 billion
to ?6.5 billion as sales increased by 5pc to 507,254 vehicles. More than
half this
                   total was exported, with sales up 16.5pc to 174,900
in Europe, helped by a 66pc increase in Germany to 21,700 and a 21pc
rise in Italy,
                   now Rover's biggest European market, to 46,672. Sales
in the struggling French market fell from 45,640 to 35,574 while Rover's
sales
                   outside Europe increased by 19pc to 95,516. BMW's
operating profits increased by 21pc to ?630m last year. In the first
quarter of this
                   year, its revenues rose by 22pc to ?5.3 billion while
Rover's were up by 21pc to ?1.3 billion.

                   BMW chairman Bernd Pischetsrieder said these growth
rates were allied to new product launches and would not be sustainable
over the
                   full yea

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:03:01 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Valve Guides

The story goes on....
Checked on my valve guides on hand and crossed them to make sure I've got 
the right ones, just to be safe. Well... I've got guides that don't have 
the same part #'s as my parts catalogue. Maybe some-one can check these 
out, see if what I got I should be using.
    Part #'s are : 568686 , 568689 , 568687 , and 568688.
 There seem to be 2 exhaust and 2 inlet, but for what? 

Regards,
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:15:49 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Where did Everybody go??

Haven't had any mail for about 2 days now. Could have got bumped off the 
list. How do I resubscribe?You'll have to mail me direct.

Con Seitl

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From: nobile@up.spin.it
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:27:41 +0100 (MET)
Subject: 90 diesel

Has anybody succeded in adding an intercooler to a 90 diesel with turbocharger?
Thanks from

           Albert Nobile

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Unsubsciption woes
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:55:00 -0500

Having spent some time and amusement wondering at the woes of those so
dumb they couldn't do a simple thing like unsubscribe,
I now find the boot (reboot?) is on the other foot.

All attempts to unsubscribe seem to be thwarted. I think I've tried
every possible combination of name, email address, upper and lower case,
server and website. Every time I get messages from Majordomo that I'm
not a subscriber or that the message wasn't understood. It won't tell me
(who) the name I'm subscribed under because I'm not a subscriber!! Yet I
get the digest every day that it is working. Any useful suggestions by
DIRECTemail please.
trevor_easton@dofasco.ca or teaston@dqc2.dofasco.ca

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Subject: RE: mini
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 20:01:26 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Of course, there is no real reason to kill off the Mini if
>you are still selling them in large enough volume to make a profit, the
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>be produced by British Motor Heritage Trust, just as they are doing with
>MGB, Midget, etc shells and body parts.

The rumour is that BMW are setting up the mini as a Marque in its own 
right and not under the 'Rover' umbrella. There is currently a big push 
with marketing the mini - not the car, interestingly enough, but the 
legend, Rover now supplies literally hundreds of extra accessories and 
min branded merchandise even though the car will only last a further two 
years at best.

Theoretically BMW could sell-off the current mini to an independent 
manufacturer before Rover comes up with a small car replacement, several 
of which have been featured in the UK motoring press. As most of the mini 
production goes to Japan they are hotly rumoured to purchase the rights 
to this car.

The only link this would have to Landrovers is that BMW seem very keen to 
resurect British Motoring legends and old names, Austin, MG, Riley, 
Wolsley etc especially for export and as part of such a drive the 
Landrover production seems assured indefinately but whether the line-up 
will consist of three or four models no-one knows.

Simon Ward-Hastelow

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Subject: V8 Camshaft change
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 20:01:20 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

Well I finally got around to changing the Camshaft on my 85 110 V8 and 
guess what, nothing went drastically wrong and apart from the anticipated 
problems I couldn't find anything wrong with the beating heart that 
powers my beautiful 'Dorothy'

As you can probably tell I'm feeling quite pleased with myself at the 
moment. I decided to do the job myself, with assistance from a Landrover 
owning friend, partly to save money but also to see exactly what a V8 
looks like when stripped to a miriad of bits.

I bought a new Camshaft, Hydraulic Lifters, Timing Chain and wheels, Push 
rods, rocker arms, head bolts, and all gaskets to complete (including 
head gaskets - not really necessary but I decided to whip the heads off 
anyway)

The cam was very worn after 95,000 miles (150,000km) but everything else 
seemed just fine, the rocker Arms I was supplied with were very inferior 
items compared to what was already fitted, the originals had hardened 
tips for the valves and hardened cups for the push-rods, the new ones I 
bought were just one-piece castings and very rough they looked to when 
comparing them with the originals (they have been returned to the 
supplier)

The whole job took me four days with my friend helping for two, but every 
item removed was cleaned, inspected and either refurbished or replaced 
and I'm sure we removed far more bits than strictly necessary for a basic 
Cam change.

The reason for the Cam change was that the V8 was starting to sound like 
an old farm tractor rather than a Landrover engine, very rough. HOWEVER 
when we were stripping it down the reason for the rough noises was found 
to be holes in corroded Air manifold pipes These push air into the 
exhaust manifold as a way of reducing the emissions - yes it is a fix - 
it just adds air to the exhaust so the parts per million of particulates 
is less - it actually does nothing to reduce the emmissions. Anyway a 
couple of these pipes had holes in them so air was escaping and making 
the whole thing sound rough.

A coule of other problems we encountered but luckily managed to rectify 
without too much hassle was; 1. The new Camshaft had a different thread 
to the old one so the fixing bolt did not fit (the correct bolt is not 
supplied unless asked for apparently) we did find a suitable replacement 
though. 2. Dorothy's previous owner had managed to cross-thread a couple 
of the manifold bolts - very easy with steel bolts and alloy heads so we 
had to tap larger holes and use larger bolts to re-assemble 3. 
Everything, and I mean everything, was covered in thick black sludge that 
seems to have hardened at some point in the preceding years, probably due 
to lack of regular oil changes by the previous owner - but now everything 
is spotlessly clean.

It now runs beautifully, very smooth and a lot quieter, the whole thing 
was quite easy (with a good tool set) just a bit fiddly, and I saved over 
100quid by doing it myself rather than paying someone else to do it, and 
they probably wouldn' have done half the extra work we did.

If it all falls apart in the next couple of weeks I will let you know

Simon Ward-Hastelow

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:47:10 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Cost of ARB installation

Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
installation of an ARB unit?

I've got together the parts and was hoping to install it myself
but I'm so squeezed for time that I'm thinking of handing the
job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).
Needless to say the dealer (nor any other local) has any
experience with the ARB to provide and accurate cost.

Thanks for any input.

Jeremy

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:11:36 +0000
Subject:       Re: Cost of ARB installation

I will have to dig up my SG labor cost.... I just looked but couldn't 
find the reciet ( I hate moving! ) From memory..... total cost $2400
$599 per ARB diff ~200 or 299 for pump the rest was diff install ( 
the front cost a tad more )

So

2400 - ( 600 + 600 + 300 ) = $900 bucks in labor roughly....

Tomw

> Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
> installation of an ARB unit?
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> Thanks for any input.
> Jeremy
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:14:55 +0000
Subject:       Re: Cost of ARB installation ( which dealer )

> Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
> installation of an ARB unit?

> I've got together the parts and was hoping to install it myself
> but I'm so squeezed for time that I'm thinking of handing the
> job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).

I'd like to know if one said they would do it..... San Jose Flatly 
refuses to any mods like that... kind of a major pain!

My fear is that my diff may be whacked also.... which is locked and 
gear lowered.... so I lug it in there and one of those components is 
bad... then where am I?

So if you know a dealer near here ( bay area ) I migh give them a 
ring!

Tomw

> Needless to say the dealer (nor any other local) has any
> experience with the ARB to provide and accurate cost.
> job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:14:57 +0000
Subject:       Re: Cost of ARB installation ( which dealer )

> Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
> installation of an ARB unit?

> I've got together the parts and was hoping to install it myself
> but I'm so squeezed for time that I'm thinking of handing the
> job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).

I'd like to know if one said they would do it..... San Jose Flatly 
refuses to any mods like that... kind of a major pain!

My fear is that my diff may be whacked also.... which is locked and 
gear lowered.... so I lug it in there and one of those components is 
bad... then where am I?

So if you know a dealer near here ( bay area ) I migh give them a 
ring!

Tomw

> Needless to say the dealer (nor any other local) has any
> experience with the ARB to provide and accurate cost.
> job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).
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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:28:20 +0000
Subject:       Re: Tom- Half Shafts

sorry to pester you, but this is sort of a life/Disco crisis thing

I want to inspect and or remove broken half shafts and or whacked 
diff due to catastrophic failure this weekend.

If I remove the swivel ball ( to gain access to the shaft )

true or false:

1) I have to empty swivel ball

2) empty Diff

3) Remove 6 or so torque bolts on axle holding swivel assembly
    ( are they whitworth bolts.... someone said they were )

4) remove brake caliper ( do before step 3 I bet )

5) look at stuff in there... yank out CV joint shaft ( is it that simple )

6) can I now also pull the inside half shaft???

7) Now.... to look in Diff , unbolt back of diff

8) scream in horror as nasty bits of gears chewed up expensive stuff
in there? or Jump for joy cus its ok.

9) remove diff ( how ) I have seen them and touched them on an open 
bench... but wasn't watching when it was pulled or put back in.

IMPORTANT

10) so I just "explore" in there...... I want to put it all together
and get it back to LR let them deal with it...

11) all I have on hand is blue and black RTV ( wife has other car )

12) will this work as a temporary hack to get it back to the dealer 
or will the rtv stuff not hold for a 20 mile trip?

(408) 354-1745

Tomw

> Tom,
> I didn't get your mail until too late to call.  Do 
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> cheers,
> Jeremy
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 26 Mar 97 13:26:00 MST
Subject: Cost of ARB installation

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
No actual experience, but I've heard in the range of $200-$300 per
install. Maybe the first would be a little more, and the second, less,
since there is only need for one compressor.

Dave-the inexperienced.

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:47:10 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
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Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
installation of an ARB unit?

I've got together the parts and was hoping to install it myself
but I'm so squeezed for time that I'm thinking of handing the
job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).
Needless to say the dealer (nor any other local) has any
experience with the ARB to provide and accurate cost.

Thanks for any input.

Jeremy

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.co.symbios.com>
Subject: Re: Cost of ARB installation
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:40:32 MST

: Does anyone out there have a ball park cost (labor only) for
: installation of an ARB unit?
: 
: I've got together the parts and was hoping to install it myself
: but I'm so squeezed for time that I'm thinking of handing the
: job over to the dealer (at least that would warranty the work).
: Needless to say the dealer (nor any other local) has any
: experience with the ARB to provide and accurate cost.

Well, what it cost me was 4-hours labor for each diff and
another 4-hours for the compressor. In retrospect, installing
the compressor is something I could have done myself.

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90

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From: Joe Ankeny <jankeny@express-hr.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:30:21 -0600

subscribe Jankeny@express-hr.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 05:22:29 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 2.25 ltr Engine Head

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> Well, I've got the head into the remans yesterday. Having it redone with
> Stelite exhaust valves, guides and hardened seats. The head Part # is
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> 1973 III 88 "Pig"
> 1962 II  88  "Millie".

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 05:23:33 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Valve Guides

Con P. Seitl wrote:
> The story goes on....
> Checked on my valve guides on hand and crossed them to make sure I've got
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"
> 1962 II  88 "Millie".

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:14:01 +0000
Subject:       Re: Tom- Half Shafts, the deal with the diff

> sorry to pester you, but this is sort of a life/Disco crisis thing
> I want to inspect and or remove broken half shafts and or whacked 
> diff due to catastrophic failure this weekend.

Various bits deleted

Thanks for everyones help, Kelly Minnick, Mehdi, Jeremy, Armando, 
Granny, Micheal Lenaghan..... Mom, Dad ... oops wrong program
( anyone else I forgot? )

Given this is my one and only beasty ( at the moment ) not counting 
the wifes vehicle, tied in with the complexity of the job and the 
fact that I want to use sometime soon.... I have opted to bring the 
beast to SJLR..... They will fix it.... If it turns out to be the 
diff or gears they will replace it with like stuff.... This is good!

I completely high pressure sprayed her clean, and about to empty her 
out and take the rack off..... I think it will be wise to "drop the 
prop" before driving it down there, as its making lots of "clunking 
noises"

Might as well get her a quarterly bath and buffin while she's in 
there!

Tomw

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        tomw@best.com  95 LR Disco "The Light Brigade"
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From: "Alan DuBoff" <aland@ibm.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 16:53:05 
Subject: Oysters on the half shaft

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:14:01 +0000, Tom Walsh wrote:

>Might as well get her a quarterly bath and buffin while she's in 
>there!

Yes, thats right Tom. In fact it's the one thing they always do a really great 
job on over at SJLR, they always do a great job of washing the beastie and 
cleaning the tires with dressing on them.

Let us take a moment of silence for the "The Light Brigade", may the do as well 
with her oyster on the half shaft!

Alan DuBoff
Software Orchestration, Inc.
aland@ibm.net

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:58:19 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: B B & B Tour

Sent this a few days ago, but it vanished into the ether....

"RULE 1: Always carry a hacksaw.  You never know when you are going to need 
to cut off some offending bit that is no longer functional."

Just got back from AOA's first "bed, breakfast and backroads" tour.  In 
short, a resounding success with absolutely phenomenal weather.  Carl 
Rodgerson, editor of LROI Magazine joined us (it was his first time on this 
side of the pond) and really enjoyed himself.  Lokk for an article in July's 
LROI.

Friday started out a bit rough.  We were having an off road school on the 
trials course at Penlan Farm; the track was a bit greasy after several days 
of rain.  My wife was driving the Discovery while I took some photos of Carl 
in the new '97 NA spec 90.  Well, she failed to climb out of one ravine; on 
the second go, she backed into a clump of trees and on the third, stuffed 
the rear end into a bank and twisted the muffler/pipe into a pretzel.  As 
the bottom bank precludes a reverse exit, the only way out was up.  Finaly 
did a capstan winch recovery, but the only suitable rope was a 30' length of 
9/16" braided dacron halyard line...added 20' of chain to make the hook-up.  
Now with only 25' or so to play with, it would get her right to the apex of 
the slope when the chain neared the bollard and each time I released 
tension, she would slide back down.  After three "demonstrations" of capstan 
winch use, the Discovery was extracted by the IIa.

Now this is 4:30 on a Friday afternoon.  The pipe/muffler is well and truly 
buggered.  A quick application of RULE 1, and a call to the only garage auto 
parts place within 20 miles yielded a 6' length of 2 1/4" flexible exhaust 
line that could be sleeved inside the existing pipe, cut off just aft of the 
front muffler.  Spent the next few minites using various bits of tractor and 
trailers about the farmyard as mandrels to make the bends.  Result: a fully 
functional exhaust system in under an hour for $19.  I expected the 4.0 to 
be much louder with the "free flow" system, but surprisingly, I hadn't 
changed much.  I see no reason to fit another muffler except to retard water 
ingress. (More on that in a moment.)

The next several days were spent driving trails, sampling fine wines, 
feasting on gourmet food.  Sunday at lunch, we were parked alongside the 
road in Goshen Pass when a Discovery drove past.  You would expect that a 
sensible owner would at least acknowledge 7 of his kin parked in a row, but 
the blighter drove on past without so much as a nod.  Fortunately for him, 
the Remington 870 was stowed away....

The real treat came Sunday afternoon: the 1,600 acre Meadow Lane Lodge on 
the Jackson River.  Four wheel drive trails in every direction, which was 
good, since the trout weren't biting.  The river was high/fast enough so 
that you needed to correct for the flow when fording.  The Safari Gard 
bumper/skid plate pushes an awesome bow wave (the skid plate matches the 
cavitation hole of a proper bow wave) while the new free flow exhaust 
burbles melodiously.  Carl took some great shots of the new '97 Defender 
amidst the spectacular scenery of the valley.  This is a superb location: we 
will return.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:37:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: coil conversion

I'm researching all kinds of options for a rebuild project I'm doing. Here
is a list of the most recent possible mechanical combinations: (comments
please!)

- New Designa Chassis Coil Galvanized Frame.
- 1991 Range Rover Axles and suspension.
- D90 brake pedal box and Master cyl.
- GMC 6.2L V8 Diesel [160HP & 290lb/ft ,298kg] (conversion kit from samurai).
- Series III radiator w/electric fan or fans.
- Series E or F IIA Transmission.

(Disclaimer - I have no attachments with the busnesses mentioned.)

Will Series-LR rims fit on Range Rover axles??

Later,
DonI
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:29:14 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: coil conversion

Don MacDonald wrote:

> - New Designa Chassis Coil Galvanized Frame.
> - 1991 Range Rover Axles and suspension.
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> - Series III radiator w/electric fan or fans.
> - Series E or F IIA Transmission.

Don, this is very close to a combination I have been considering. If you
go with  the 6.2l diesel, I feel the trans, transfer case, and possibly
axles and driveshafts (u-joints) will be inadequate. Consider a NV4500
5spd from a '92 or newer chev 3/4 ton 4*4 mated to a Dana 300 transfer
case (adapters are available from Advance Adapters among others). The
centered rear output of most common transfer cases - including the Dana
300 - will necessitate an axle swap to a design with a centered pumpkin.
This is an excellent opportunity to upgrade to beefier axles front and
rear. I'd consider Dana 44 or 60 units. These can be had with disk
brakes front and rear and the open knuckle configuration gives a better
turning radius.

Another combination I've been looking at is a Cummins B39 (the 4cyl
version of the 6cyl in the Dodge pickups). The turbo diesel version of
the 3.9 offers 120 hp and 260 ft/lbs of torque. This motor shares
bellhousing bolt patterns with its larger sibling meaning the trans
(which happens to be an NV4500) and transfer case from a Dodge diesel
pickup could be used without adapters.

Some things to think about.

Cheers, Greg

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From: Ian Otty <imo@nelson.kcc.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:16:10 GMT
Subject: Disk brakes for leaf sprung Land Rover????

I am rebuilding my S111 SWB with the intention of fitting a tuned 
3.5 V8. Although I have servo assist & LWB front drums, I would 
like more stopping power. Has anybody ever fitted disks to a series 
Land Rover? Is it possible? I do not want to go to coil sprung 
axles as my chassis is in perfect condition & I prefer the ride & 
handling of the leaf springs (Well, I am a LR owner!!)

Also I will be fitting a Salisbury rear axle - I know that the nose 
of the diff needs to be angled up to suit the SWB but can this be 
done with wedges between the spring & axle or do I need to re-weld 
the spring mounts? If wedges - can anybody supply them?

All thoughts gratefully received.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:07:54 -0500
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <SJacob@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Competition...

Dixon Kenner wrote:

> Hope Kevin knows how to handle the miltitude of submission formats (Mime,
> Binhex, uuencoded etc... :-))

...and, once he's decoded them back to binary, the multitudes of graphic
formats in the various resolutions (GIF,JPG,PCX,TIFF,BMP,IMG,MAC,TGA,WPG,DIB,
to name but a *few*). Maybe he should've been more specific with the submission
format.

Happy Easter!  (and no graphic Bunnies, please...)

Stefan
<SJacob@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:00:07 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Patches

Over the Easter break I am planning to repair the rusty footwells and
extra holes in the frame.  This will involve tasks similar to the last few
welding articles in LRO (bearing in mind that we are a couple of months
behind down here).  The LRO articles give a fairly basic going over of the
tasks but they fail the mention one important piece of information - what
guage sheet steel should I use to repair the body work and the frame?

Dean

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