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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:17:54 -0500 (EST)
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:24:02 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: House Wrecking Disco

Rick Grant wrote:
> >From Saturday's Electronic Telegraph
>                   A JEALOUS sales executive wrecked a girlfriend's home by
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> Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
> Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

Probably the "new" friend was a Series owner, maybe even with a beard.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:29:09 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 109 to Range Rover Refit

con & greg wrote:
> Hello all!
>   Question for you guys, can you take a 109 and fit it on a 1990 Range
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> 1973 88 " Pig "
> 1962 88 Pick-up " Millie "

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:35:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Turn, turn again

Sandy sez:
the actual binding area is going to be this sunken channel, 
maybe a mm or two below the rest of the surface.  Even tho' smooth and free 
from scoring, this ridge is going to make it *damned* difficult to remove 
the drum in the future, as the shoes will hang up.  After turning, there's 
no ridge to impede progress.

Good point!! But why can't you just get that ridge taken off, and leave the
rest of the drum alone? You can, but you'll need to search far and wide to
find a brake lathe operator who will do as you request. Wouldn't recommend
trying to remove the ridge with a grinder; too imprecise, could cause a crack
accross the friction surface of the drum, causing the drum to fly apart when
you most need it and least expect it. 

Cheers!!
John (arguing like Wilberforce) Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
This is what happens when I ask myself questions and then answer them.
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:20:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Remote brake servo...

  Another option to using a remote Girling unit from a Volvo is to find a
derelict Rover P6 TC. Later units had 2 remote servo units installed, so you
could really create a "plumber's nightmare". (How about fitting two of those
to a 109 and then experiencing bleeding problems? I think the correct
procedure for bleeding that modification might be: 1) loosen all bleed
screws. 2) Submerge entire vehicle in large container of brake fluid. 3) When
bubbles stop, you're done!).
  Very unfortunately, the P6 model seems to be undergoing somewhat of a
demise, with some small areas of enthusiasm, at least here in the US.
(coincidentally just a few short years prior to Rover's threatened
re-entering of the US 'auto' market!). On the "Rovernet", there are regularly
reported (and poorly received) 'crushings' of multiple vehicles. This could
mean that a servo from one of these could be of little expense. If there's an
interest, I'd suggest asking someone who has such a vehicle (I no longer do,
well, let's just say I don't...), or the "Rovernet" itself. There is to be a
'rescue' of one such P6 vechicle/parts cache this spring (in NY state), so
some may come up as available from that source. If so, they could probably be
brought to Owl's Head...
see 'ya on the old road...
jim  '61 88" w/OD, 1 Bbl Weber, 16's, hubs (econobox?)  "Nicky"
jdolan2109@aol.com
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:20:03 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: 109 to Range Rover Refit

A friend wants to know if it is possible to fit a 109 body to a 1990 
Range Rover rolling chassis. I don't  know myself, having only dealt with 
Series vehicles. The Rangie has had a tree fall on it and crush the roof 
in and splayed the posts etc. He has this perfect 109 body on a dead 
frame. So, is there alot to do on such a project, or is this really way 
out in left field? Any help is welcome.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:01:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Pinto Carbs

I had a Rochester on my 1973 Series III for about three years before
changing back to the Zenith.  The Rochester performed very well, and
actually gave marginally better performance than the Zenith.  I did not
change the air cleaner; the Rochester was connected to the stock oil-bath
filter using the same ribbed hose and elbow that had fed the Zenith.  The
only modification I had to make was to remove an inch or so from the bottom
of the elbow to keep it from contacting the underside of the hood.

I think the one you've used is a different one than this - must have been
the 50s Chevrolet one. This carb was off a mid-70s Chevrolet Vega, and as
such was designed at the top for a paper-element air cleaner rather than
the oil-bath of the 50s Rochester. The Rochester with the tub-shaped body
is the one for oil-bath air cleaners, and is also the one that needs to be
re-jetted.

The beauty of the Vega carb is that it doesn't need to be re-jetted - it
bolts on and runs fine.
_________________________
                    ajr

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:17:01 -0500
From: lisad1@idt.net (Gregory Michael)
Subject: Re: 1995 Discovery 5 Spd   With  10500  miles (fwd

>>                  I recently tried to adjust my idle knob,because

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>It's under warranty for 5 years and 50,000 miles.
>        Jim Allen

                                                         March 14 1997

                                                         9:35 am ECT

                 Dear Mr Allen,

                   Hello again,could you answer a tech question, if I may.
I recently by the request of Landrover North America,had my steering column
busing replaced due to a little squeak etc.they told me that it was part of
operation pride campagn that Rover said would improve the column,what ever the
case maybe. Anyway in the process they did not straighten the steering wheel to
original factory specs. Could you tell me step by step how to remove SRS Air
bag etc,so I can reposition the steering wheel,I did bring  the truck back
and they told me that I was crazy,but I knew better . They did align the column
correctly,but somehow did not align steering wheel,Also knew it was of center
because when I locked the steering it was off 1/4 inch to the right side.
I guess I am crazy but it is very bothersome to my eye.

                               RSVP  PS It does not surprise me that
                                     Landrover service depts in the USA
                                     are truly a horror,which again makes
                                     me correct the problem,not that I dont
                                     love working on my rover but I hate
                                     people who are not 100% thorough ,I am not
                                     perfect but I am not as bad as Rover
                                     service dept.

                             Take care please help me clear this particular
                             problem up.

                                            Yours very truly

                                      Gregory Michael     NEW YORK CITY SAYS
                                                            Hello to you.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:04:47 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Richard Kaplan

Thanks for the Kaplan suggestion...problem is, this thing is at the top of
the mail list. I'll give it a try.

Chris
>Chris Stevens wrote:
>> So, someone tell me again how to get rid of this guy? He keeps crashing
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>HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)    channel6denmark@hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:29:05 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Kaplan Problem

Chris Stevens wrote:
> Thanks for the Kaplan suggestion...problem is, this thing is at the top of
> the mail list. I'll give it a try.
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> >HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)    channel6denmark@hotmail.com
> >---------------------------------------------------
Here's a thought,why not sort (change)your email setup to "subject"or
"sender" instead of "date".That should put it far enough down the list
that you can then delete it with the one or two on either side.
Hope that helps get rid it!
Regards,
Steve

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:20:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 84 Range Rover

 I am considering selling my 84 LHD Range Rover, 4 spd., 3.5 L, 137 K miles
(most mech. rebuilt however) some spare parts, manuals etc. Minor dents and
dings in body work, but no rot in floors or frame. Russet brown with
limestone steel wheels, also orig, silver alloys. Overall nice condition.
Asking $9000 US, OBO. Have receipts for nearly that amount. Located near
Cleveland, Ohio. Email me for more info. or call (216) 285 7032 home or (216)
449-4005 work. Thanks. Andy Blackley 

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:14:41 -0800
From: "Mark L. Freeman" <mfreeman@murlin.com>
Subject: Air Conditioning/Heating for Series LR

I have found that the heating/air conditioning units from heavy duty 
trucks fit well in Series vehicles. Units from late model cab-over trucks 
are compact, boxed units with great blower motors.  Something of a 
shoe-horn fit and requires  some replumbing.  I have been quoted a unit 
from a Freightliner for $100. Be sure to measure and take into account 
how much bulkhead modifcations you are prepared to do before buying.

Regards,
Mark Freeman
1975 109  diesel, 1974 88 Petrol

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:07:23 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Richard Kaplan
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:38:47 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: 109 to Range Rover Refit

Con asked:

>A friend wants to know if it is possible to fit a 109 body to a 1990 
>Range Rover rolling chassis. I don't  know myself, having only dealt with 
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>frame. So, is there alot to do on such a project, or is this really way 
>out in left field? Any help is welcome.

Certainly it's possible.  Have to do a professional job of lenthening the
frame (or shortening the body--I think both have been done).  Have to add
the various outriggers and rear cross-member, etc.  Might need to move then
drivetrain rearward some and/or change the nose of the 109 to 110 style
(could go with 110" wheelbase while you're at it).  Not a weekend project
but certainly possible.

Granny

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:23:29 -0500
From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Subject: Call for info for WWW pages <re: Coiling a Series truck>

At 04:58 PM 3/14/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Jeff and all,
>time to repeat my wish that someone with the equipment and a web site 
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>there is no place specifically for this information.  With the level of 
>interest in hybrids I have seen here in the last year I know a lot of us
would be very 
>appreciative.  I've spent a lot of time thinking out and searching for 
>parts that will work in my conversion, and wouldn't mind documenting it 
>somewhere if it would help someone else not to have to reinvent the wheel.

	OK, done... Anyone interested, and please don't be shy, in sending info on
off the beaten path (for the US anyway) modifications to Land Rovers feel
free to E-Mail me <roverboy@gis.net> with what you have. This would include
coil modifications, engine modifications, transmission modifications,
electrical modifications, suspension, etc, for the Series line. I will
attempt to put together a set of pages designed to help out those who don't
know anything about this kind of stuff (myself included).
	Those interested in participated in such a project, please send summaries
of what you're thinking. Please do not inundate me with tons of images
without my knowing about it first. Thanks... 
	If you don't know whether the information you have is relevant to the
pages, send your idea anyways, nothing is irrelevant.
	Though my web space is tight (the traditional 5 megs), I think I can
stretch that for the time-being. If participation and interest take off, I
could expand that.

 Jeff Goldman

E-Mail: roverboy@gis.net

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:59:49 -0600
From: "Benjamin G. Newmam,MD" <Medone@iag.net>
Subject: Wiring

Yesterday my wike took my Sers 11A 1962 Warwick 4X4 re-built to the car
wash. The kid at the wash tried to start the engine with the key causing
a massive short circuit problem. The speedo cable and many other wires
behind the firewall got burnt.Bottom line......I need a new wire job
forward of the dash.Does any body know someone in Central Florida who
can do this kind of work???Is anyone coming to the Orlando area for
vacation and would like to turn it into a working vactaion?
What can I expect to pay for a new wire harness and labor to install?
As always any help in this area will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Benjamin

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:04:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Coil spring conversions

 Re various postings on coil spring conversions.
 They are now as common as #42!~@$% on the UK competition circuit. Betaweld
nr Doncaster in the UK   has a jig for converting used RR chassis so that
standard series parts can be fitted. This is a cheaper method of obtaining a
rolling chassis.  There are hundreds of versions  of the conversions in the
UK. done to all kinds of standards.
 In the very early seventies there was a lightweight fitted with the rr
front axle and suspension in the Pennine Land Rover club
 Rover themselves fitted a shortened 109 body onto RR rolling chassis and
made prototype 100 " wheelbase versions.  several tears ago Hobsons of Louth
had some rear bodies for sale. One of these is in daily use in the Halifax
area of Yorkshire ( UK ) 
 Regards  
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 18:17:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Wiring

On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, Benjamin G. Newmam,MD wrote:

> Yesterday my wike took my Sers 11A 1962 Warwick 4X4 re-built to the car
> wash. The kid at the wash tried to start the engine with the key causing
> a massive short circuit problem. 

	How do you normally start it?

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:39:32 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Disco vs. house

At 09:24 PM 3/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>A JEALOUS sales executive wrecked a girlfriend's home by
>ramming it with his #25,000 Land Rover Discovery as she lay
>in bed with his best friend days after he had proposed to

>The only really important fact in this story was that the house had to be
>demolished after the Disco had done its job.  Now I'd like to believe that
>had the poor bugger been a Series owner she never would have left him for

The best friend probably had a 109"...

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 97 01:22:36 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: RE: four questions for the gurus

Dear Nick,

Some thoughts on the wiring....consider a new harness that is set for neg. 
groung. This will essentially do the job for you. As for the winch.. If you 
are planning to use the vehicle as a anchor for top rope rock climbibg and 
need a way to pull yourself up..go for the capstain. Otherwise, go 
electric..Warn, Superwich, or Ramsy...
As for the LP system; I'm not familiar with what you want to accomplish. So 
I'm of no help..

Yours,

JWROVER@MSN.com    Solihull SOciety Event Coordinator

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From: 	Nick Fankhauser
Sent: 	Friday, March 14, 1997 8:02 PM
Subject: 	four questions for the gurus

Hi folks- The IIa (no friendly name yet) is coming along. I just lowered a
shiny clean engine and tranny onto the frame, and I'm beginning to believe
it will all work... so I'm thinking about the extra things I'd like to do
before I start on the body panels.

- Switching to negative ground- I have an early IIa with positive ground. I
want to switch to negative ground & put in a high amp alternator. A quick
inspection of the schematics in the LR manual and the instruments leads me
to believe that all I have to do is flip the battery around and swap the
leads on the ammeter. I have an oil and temp guage, which seem to be
original (although I've never seen them on other rovers). The question- am I
missing something here? Are there any hidden Gotchas?

- A "roll cage"-. I'm not planning on driving like a maniac, but I would
like to be able to run without the top in the summer, and feel that some
sort of roll cage might be prudent. I would like to purchase or make
something that would fit inside the body so that it could also serve as a
mounting point for shoulder straps. (It came with only lap belts, and I
don't see any good mounting points to add shoulder belts.) If the cage also
served as a frame for a soft top, I'd be one happy camper. Has anyone done
this, or know someone who has? Any thoughts?

- A capstan winch- A friend of mine has offered me a nice capstan winch
which he claims came out of a box marked "land rover" when he first acquired
it. It matches some pictures that I've seen of old rovers, so he's probably
correct. The problem is that I have no info on how to mount it, and I'm not
sure if all of the pieces are there. I'm looking for an old manual, or a
person who has one on their rover. It appears to be set up to attach to the
crank pulley. The winch is on a land cruiser right now, so I really need a
complete description of how it is supposed to fit, as I'm sure some pretty
serious modifications have been made.

- Running on LP gas- I noticed that someone mentioned a lightweight set up
for dual fuel a few days back. I've been wanting to convert a vehicle to LP
gas for some time, and acquired an old set of regulators & carb off of a
forklift which happens to have roughly 2.3 litre displacement. I had
intended to try these on the rover, but would much prefer to find a carb
intended for a rover if one is available. Dual fuel would be even better,
since I could switch back to petrol when power is needed. Does anyone know
more about this? Any spare parts for sale? 

Thanks! -NickF

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Nick Fankhauser        |  Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us   |        http://co.wayne.in.us/wayneco

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:00:09 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: coil conversion

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if certain RR frames are more/less desireable than
others for a coiler conversion? Thicker or thinner metal etc. Also what
seems to be the going rate for these frames. I located one today at a
yard that is asking $1500 (from a '90 RR) but they seem flexible
particularly if other bits from the donor vehicle are included in the
deal.

Thanks in advance.

Greg 'can't wait for that web site devoted to hybrids'
Comox, B.C.

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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:18:55 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring

At 03:59 PM 3/15/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Does any body know someone in Central Florida who
>can do this kind of work???

>From the LROA vendor list:

Prestige Auto Service
Fort Lauderdale, FL
305-760-4444 

Don's Import Auto Service 
Vero Beach, FL
407-569-4714 

Hardie Auto Service
Vero Beach, FL
407-778-2623 

I dunno how good any of these guys are or anything, just that they said at
one point that they did or were interested in doing work on land rovers.
You might also talk to John Dillingham in Woodstock GA.  Might be reasonably
close?

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 01:28:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: four questions for the gurus

On Sat, 15 Mar 1997, K. JOHN WOOD wrote:

> need a way to pull yourself up..go for the capstain. Otherwise, go 
> electric..Warn, Superwich, or Ramsy...
 
	Come now.  Electric?  IMHO the stuff is rubbish.  Seen to
	many of them die when they were needed.  Brushes go, wires start
	to burn, can't find the control leads and use a knife to short
	the contacts <name withheld, he's on the list...>  Mechanical,
	hydraulic are serious winches.  Electric just over loads the 
	electrical system, makes people change from (barely) adequate
	positive ground systems to negative ground systems with large
	alternators, heavy duty batteries.  Add in the cost of the
	new negative ground harness suggested, the large alternator,
	to the cost of the winch then compare to a mechanical, hydraulic
	winch.  If someone is offering a capstan, probably at a lot less 
	$$$ than an electric, they do just fine in the bush.  This is more
	a philosophical/religious question anyway.

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Storage areas/ Fuel tanks in Defender Wagons
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:41:23 +0930

What nooks and crannies have other owners found in the new Defender 110
Wagon for storing bits and pieces. I was looking at one yesterday, and
found that I could cut and fit a storage locker into the back left wheel
arch, just like Series vehicles.
What room is there under the bonnet of a TDi for extra bits, and what are
other putting in there?
I'm looking to work out where things can go before I go and order one!
Also where are the best places for extra fuel tanks - my Series III has
2x16 gal tanks under each seat (its not a wagon), plus 2 jerry can carriers
on the rear.

Any help greatly appreciated
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Spare Tyre Bonnet Strengthening Kit
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:34:12 +0930

Does anyone have any part number or references for the strengthening kit
for a new Defender Station Wagon bonnet for the spare tyre.
I'm sure I've seen some threads on this in the past but I didn't take a lot
of notice until now that I'm looking a buying a new one.
Any info greatly appreciated.
Thanks 
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: Landie or Landy
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:42:41 +0930

Landy sounds and looks better to me!
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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> From: Vic Hanna <vhanna@info.bw>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Landie or Landy
> Date: Saturday, 15 March 1997 01:48

> Can anyone help? We put a newsletter together for the local Land Rover 
> agents and have difficulty in determining the correct spelling - Landie 
> Subject: Landie or Landy

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: four questions for the gurus
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:11:20 +0930

Dixon
I sort of agree with your comments, but the problem is that it is now so
hard to get a PTO unit to suit any of the new Land Rover gearboxes.
Yes, the Defender can take a PTO but how many companies make them? I'd be
happy to be proved wrong, but I know of only one in Australia that makes a
PTO. The problem is then compounded by the fact that no one makes the PTO
winches because no one makes the PTO's!
I have a Series III with a 12000lb PTO and I have winched for hours without
any hassles - I could not have done it with an electric.
But if I buy a Defender, my PTO choices are so extremely limited.
I think the Discovery can take the same PTO as the Defender, but to the
best of my knowledge, no one anywhere makes a PTO winch to fit it.
On the brighter side, I guess we should all be thankful that LUCAS do not
make electric winches.
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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> From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
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> 	winch.  If someone is offering a capstan, probably at a lot less 
> 	$$$ than an electric, they do just fine in the bush.  This is more
> 	a philosophical/religious question anyway.

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