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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:55:46 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Matters of Doors

Defender doors are nothing but thinly disguised Series doors. That is why
some of our salesmen friends tend to call the Defender a "Series IV."

I had trouble with the door-mounted spare on my IIA until I noticed that
Defenders have a middle third hinge. I bought a Defender middle hinge from
Novers Rorth (name changed to avoid crass online commercialism) and
installed it in the middle. It works perfectly, and the door no longer
distorts under the pressure of the spare. BTW, I had to install a trailer
hitch on a long arm to get it low enough to clear the spare.

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Wool Camp in Iceland:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------
Drafts of papers: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html------
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:41:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Bars

Thanks to Bill Leacock and Dave Harden for responding to my query re.
fitting a tow bar to the front of my Landy to pull it with my Volvo.   Both
suggested bending (or otherwise reconfiguring) the bar to an S-shape to
handle the angularity.  My Land-Rover has a winch mount which fits on the
bumper, is bolted thru both frame horns, then braced down to the bottom of
the frame horns near the front spring mount.  Perhaps I should investigate
mounting the tow bar down there - rather than to the bumper?  I hate to
spend $130 on a tow bar and immediately start modifying (and perhaps
weakening) it.   The other situation I have to think about is that the
Volvo's hitch is rated at 3300lbs, a bit less than the actual weight of the
truck.  If things worked smoothly it wouldn't be the challenge that L-R
ownership is, would it?
  erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Series III  88"

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Subject: Re: Land Rover Prices in Australia
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 13:47:28 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>On top of these prices are probably the dealer delivery charges.
>Most dealers (all brands) charge between $600-1000 extra in charges
>for them to wash the car and get it registered.  I really don't
>know what the dealer deliver charge is for.

UK dealers also add 'delivery charges' to the advertised price. This is a 
complete con as it does not mean they will deliver the vehicle to you it 
supposedly covers the cost of delivering the vehicle to the dealer from 
the factory. It is a flat charge whether your dealer is right next door 
to the factory or over a thousand miles away and there is no option of 
collecting the vehicle yourself to save this cost.

They also add the price of licence plates ( 20quid) and road tax 
(145quid) as extras although you cannot drive the car away without 
eaither of these by law.

Its all done as a way of advertising a cheaper price then selling-up the 
price once youre hooked. Coincidently in UK we have to pay Car tax, 
Purchase tax and Road tax on new car purchases and these costs are based 
on the advertised prices no matter what discounts or promotions are 
securred from your dealer.

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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Subject: Re: Billing 97 preparations
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 13:47:32 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>where is it, when is it, what occurs there etc. If it involves camping out
>in a field under the sun in a field full of Landies for a couple of days,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>count me in.
>Tim Rushton (Worthing, England).

Billing 97 is an annual Landrover only event held at Billing Aquadrome 
near Northampton in England just off Junction 15 or 16 of the M1 is is 
held over four days from Thursday 17th to Sunday 20th July. Organised by 
Landrover Owner International Magazine with displays and special events 
organised by David Bowyers Driving School.

Its the biggest UK Landrover Event of the year with too many trade stalls 
to list along with loads of traders with used/old bits for sale. There is 
an accompanying Off-Road course that is very compact but can be quite 
taxing for even experienced off-road drivers, but you will need to book 
for the driving in advance as it sell out fast.

It is open to camping and caravans and costs 49quid for the whole weekend 
per tent/caravan regardless of number of occupants - see LROI mag for 
details and booking form.

Its well worth a visit if only to have a look at the thousands of other 
Landrovers that turn up, you will probably see an example of every 
model/variation ever built as well as some rather unique 'non-standard' 
creations!

See you there

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:10:31 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: subscribing

At 16:05 97-03-09 +0000, you wrote:

>Your friend can subcribe on line at http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/ 

-for the best deal (16 issues for the price of 13) or in North America 
>call 888-LRO-SHOP.  You can also download an order form and fax it to 
-us at 905-434-6874.
>call 888-LRO-SHOP.  You can also download an order form and fax it to 
-Regards

?????? I think that the original post was something like this:

"Please send me the info for subscribing to this list. I hava friend here
who wants to subscribe and for the life of me I cannot remember how to
do it."

The "list" Chris refers to, I think, is the list we are all subscibed to
(land-rover-owner or lro-digest), and not the LRO magazine that someone
wishes we would all be subscribed to...

The command, sent in the body of the text, should be:
 "subscribe land-rover-owner" or subscribe lro-digest" and the message
should be sent to <Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net>. Don't put anything in the
subject line.

Salutations, 

P.S: What's the Land Rover World's URL??

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:00:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Low Rider Land Rovers?

On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, : Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca> wrote about
lift blocks: "Actually, I think that your vehicle was fitted with the
low-riding conversion kit for the Californian market.  Part #139567 The kit
consisted of a set of blocks to lower the suspension, pink or orange body
stripes, a pair of furry dice to hang on the rear-view mirror and the
mammoth-hide (ancestor of the elephant hide) to cover the dash and steering
wheel with something more comfortable.  I think Lanny still has some.  Give
him a call."

The California Low Rider conversion is also seen here in Colorado.  It is
not difficult to identify.  Look for wide 12" wheels with big offset and 60
profile tires.  Other dead give-aways are purple neon license plate lights,
heavily tinted windows, small diameter steering wheel made of welded chain,
no suspension travel and lowered seating.  Low riders can often be heard
before they are seen, accompanied by heavily amplified base.

Examples observed around here have been based on Suzukis, Exploders, Blazers
(big & small), Jeeps etc.  So far, no Land Rovers (Gott sei dank).  Perhaps
in California...

Mucho Gusto,

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109 Tall Rider.

"Low Riders can't get it up"

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:09:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rusting D90 Mud Flaps

Warranty?

On a Land Rover?

Would they fix the automatic pillow fluffer on my Dormobile?

Paul Donohue
1965 LR Dormobile

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From: "Broward Orthopaedic Specialists" <BOS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: re. auxillary gas tank
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:25:00 -0500

Hello all,
	I am contemplating installing an auxillary tank under the passenger seat
in my 1994 D90.  I have some leads on OEM and aftermarket tanks but my
question is re. a custom tank.
	Can I have one welded together to my custom measurements?  If so, what
thickness of steel?  Should I galvanize the innards?  What other essential
pieces do I need?  Is this safe?

All help appreciated!

John
94 D90

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:04:57 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl>
Subject: Silicone spray ?

Hello all,

Has anybody experience with silicone spray, good or bad ?
For example with rubber or synthetic ?

Paul
D90 Auto V8 1982
            

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:28:31 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: re. auxillary gas tank

Broward Orthopaedic Specialists wrote:
> Hello all,
>         I am contemplating installing an auxillary tank under the passenger seat
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> John
> 94 D90
Just buy a standard Series III 88" tank - that was built to fit under
the seat (you may need to modify the outriggers - maybe even sit an
extra outrigger for the tank, but that's easy!

Before you install, fill the joint between the tank and the protective
support tray with silicon mastic, allow this to dry, then paint - first
with several coats of red rust paint (liberally applied) then with at
least 4 coats of black enamel marine paint.

Galvanising would save a little paint work, but will only work if you
unsolder the tray from the tank, as it's between the two that rust comes
- and unprotected by either galvanising or paint, I assure you, it will
come (I have renovated three of these tanks)

My experience is a good paint job, then a new coat or two every year,
and rust will never be a problem. Un treated, I'd give an off-the-shelf
LR 88" tank about 5 years, less if the tanks gets a few bumps from
regular off road work.

Like many genuine LR spares, the tanks must be dismantled, and
manufacture completed by the user - an interesting form of shareware?
The Land Rover is not built to last - but it is built to be rebuilt to
last!

Good luck.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:32:41 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: subscribing

Chris R Whitehead wrote:
> Please send me the info for subscribing to this list. I hava friend here
> who wants to subscribe and for the life of me I cannot remember how to
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Cheers
> Chris W

Hi Chris -

just tell your friend to send an e-mail to the same LRO address with the
following text in the body of his mail -

subscribe <hisemailaddress> Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.team.net

you dont need to write the < or the >

good luck
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
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mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:36:28 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: undeliverable messages

Paul wrote:

Anyone out there got experience with dealing with the plague of
undeliverable messages which i seem to be getting from the uk-lro
digest?

I have not written to the uk list, the letters which it says are
undeliveranble are neither wirtten by me, or sent to me specifically
(though I do subscribe to the uk list).

But several times a day, I get long digests of letters which i have
already read sent to me as undeliverable messages - is this a standard
Series III problem? They may be undeliverable, by someone else, to
someone else, but they keep getting delivered to me!

Anyone got any advice? Until then I'll just delete!!!

Happy rovering!

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 03:59:29 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: 1997 USA National Rally

 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:50:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Out, Out Foul Grub Screw!

Hi all,

Even after being told where to find the grub screw to remove the distributor
gear drive, I still couldn't find it!  Turns out it was completely covered in
grunge and gasket.  I only found it after scraping the base clean and tapping
around with a small screwdriver. (BTW, there is a picture of this screw
location in the Haynes manual).  The camshaft is now out and on examination
it shows wear along the back edge of the rearmost bearing surface.  Thanks to
all for the help.

Nate (My first thought was to burn off the grunge with a propane torch, but I
recanted)
NADdMD@aol.com
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm">Blue Brick Rover Page</A> 

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:14:30 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (cmw)
Subject: 109 Middle door T-piece

Hi, digging deep into my 109 here -boy does the time fly.

I'm wondering who out there may have replaced the middle door frame assembly
on a 109 SW.

It looks as if it shouldn't be too ridiculous but...I guess I'm asking if I
have to loosen the roof and the rear body etc, etc, when it looks as if I
ought to be able to finagle them in there without all that fun.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
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    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional      
 
               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:26:28 -0500
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: East Tennessee British Car Show

Pardon the regional nature of this post, but I wanted to get the word out
about a nice little British car show on May 3 in Townsend, Tennessee.  This
year will be the tenth anniversery of this event, which attracts about 150
vehicles or so.  Sadly for me though, last year there were as many Rolls and
Rileys (two each) as Rovers, if you can believe it.  So, all you North GA,
Western NC, and Southwest VA people - Come on out for a nice day in the
Smokies. The area is beautiful, the National Park is only a couple of miles
down the road, and Cades Cove offers wildlife viewing that can't be beat,
especially from a topless Rover. Let's show the chrome and wax set what real
working vehicles are all about. E-mail me your fax number, and I'll send you
an entry form.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIa 88
1989 RR

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:43:19 +0000
Subject: Missing Club Information

Land Rover Owner International magazine have asked us to update all 
information relating to North American clubs for future publication.  
To be included we need to verify the following information:
Club name
Contact name
Full address
Telephone number
Email address.

If anyone has any information regarding the following clubs please 
respond directly to lroshop@idirect.com

Many thanks

Yankee Rovers (CT)
Royal Range Rover Society (NJ)
Rover Owners Club (CA)
Land Rover Owners Group, W.Coast (CA)
Mid Atlantic Rover Owners (MD)
USA Rover Owners Association USA (CA)
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:58:00
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: New Member Intro / Auxillary Tanks

All,

I have been on this list for a week now and this is my first posting. You
can check out my web site at: <http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don>. I am
involved in getting the "Rover-Landers of BC" (British Columbia, Canada)
back in action. So E-mail me if your in the area!!

I'm also rebuilding a 1964 Series IIA 88" as a coiler! Has anyone done
this?? I need all the input I can get. Here are some of my ideas:
Galvanized Coil frame from Designa Chassis, range rover axles(all 4 disc
brakes), RR suspension, ?Power Brake pedal/system?, stock engine and
tranny.....

If I were getting new gas tanks again I would shell out the extra $$$ and
have custom (heavy duty) Aluminium Tanks made. 

Later,
Don
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Don MacDonald		<don@direct.ca>
<http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don>
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     /  \           /  \		Tweety 
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Yellow 1966 Series IIA (refurbished)
New Project: Tremclad Green 1964 Series IIA (soon to be coil sprung deluxe!!)
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:59:54 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: D90 auxillary gas tank

John asks:

>	I am contemplating installing an auxillary tank under the passenger seat
>in my 1994 D90.  I have some leads on OEM and aftermarket tanks but my
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>thickness of steel?  Should I galvanize the innards?  What other essential
>pieces do I need?  Is this safe?

Adrian replies [roundly snipped]:

>Just buy a standard Series III 88" tank - that was built to fit under
>the seat (you may need to modify the outriggers - maybe even sit an
>extra outrigger for the tank, but that's easy!

I don't think it is that easy, Adrian.  I think the leading arms (control
arms) of the coiler suspension preclude this installation.  John, you might
contact Doug Shipman of Portland, Oregon, who made a pair of such tanks, for
left and right sides, for his 90" (literally) coiler (Series IIA 88" body on
10-inch-shortened early RR chassis).  His tanks are of a very neat design,
made of stainless steel.  I expect he could make up more of these pretty
easily, now that he's worked it all out.  Your frame will be somewhat
different but not much, surely; certainly more like his than like a Series
frame, eh?

Cheers,

Granville "Granny" Pool
Redwood Valley, CA, USA
'73 SIII 88 (the Snark)

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:23:49 +0000
From: Tim Burt <Tim@stagesupplies.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Billing 97 preparations

In message <bulk.7460.19970310023624@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Tim Rushton
<tim@pavilion.co.uk> writes
>Simon,

......it involves camping out
>in a field under the sun in a field full of Landies for a couple of
days,
>Tim Rushton (Worthing, England).
>Simon,

I'll be there !!!   It's a great event and well worth the time.  Look
out for me on the off-road course (I'll be the one getting stuck !)

Tim Burt - Abingdon, UK   -  SIII 88" Full Tilt

>> __________________________________

--Tim Burt
http://www.stagesupplies.demon.co.uk 

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:26:45 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: 109 Middle door T-piece

At 13:14 97-03-10 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm wondering who out there may have replaced the middle door frame assembly
>on a 109 SW.
-
>It looks as if it shouldn't be too ridiculous but...I guess I'm asking if I
>have to loosen the roof and the rear body etc, etc, when it looks as if I
-ought to be able to finagle them in there without all that fun.
>It looks as if it shouldn't be too ridiculous but...I guess I'm asking if I

Not too difficult. 

1) Remove door hinges
2) Unbolt inverted "L" piece near the roof (Holding a seat belt gizmo)
3) Unbolt the Upper section which is bolted to the top
4) Unbolt floorboards (front and rear)
5) Icky part: Unbolt big bolt at the foot of the bulkhead
6) Remove small aluminium panel (held by rivets)in front of the rear tire
with wood chisel and hammer
7) Second icky part: Remove the bolts that hold the piece to the frame, near
the rear bench seat. Usually an agglomerate of rust, mud, steel, and
unidentified organisms.
8)  Refit is the reversal :-)

Usually, the door post between the two doors just falls off since it's
probably rotted out. Otherwise, I wouldn't know why you would replace it. 

Hope it helps, 

Michel

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:28:05 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: subscribing

At 16:05 97-03-09 +0000, you wrote:

>Your friend can subcribe on line at http://web.idirect.com/~lroshop/ 

-for the best deal (16 issues for the price of 13) or in North America 
>call 888-LRO-SHOP.  You can also download an order form and fax it to 
-us at 905-434-6874.
>call 888-LRO-SHOP.  You can also download an order form and fax it to 
-Regards

?????? I think that the original post was something like this:

"Please send me the info for subscribing to this list. I hava friend here
who wants to subscribe and for the life of me I cannot remember how to
do it."

The "list" Chris refers to, I think, is the list we are all subscibed to
(land-rover-owner or lro-digest), and not the LRO magazine that someone
wishes we would all be subscribed to...

The command, sent in the body of the text, should be:
 "subscribe land-rover-owner" or subscribe lro-digest" and the message
should be sent to <Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net>. Don't put anything in the
subject line.

Salutations, 

P.S: What's the Land Rover World's URL??

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:35:23 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: D90 auxillary gas tank

At 10:59 97-03-10 -0800, you wrote:

-
>John asks:

->>	I am contemplating installing an auxillary tank under the passenger seat
->>in my 1994 D90.  I have some leads on OEM and aftermarket tanks but my
->	
-
Have a look at http://websites.i2020.net/~jaberry/Jeffs.htm

It's about installing a Series tank under the passenger's seat of a D90. 
Jeffrey was kind enough to put the info on the web.

  
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:43:36 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Oops. Sorry for the repeated messages

Got some problems with my ISP. It looks like one of my messages showed up
three times on the digest while never appearing once on the real-time list. 

Mille excuses, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:03:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Re.camshaft removal 2 

 Nate,
    One final note: it is Not Necessary to remove the oil pump before 
extracting the drive gear. However, should you happen to have a helper 
with time on their hands, oilpan and pump removal should keep them out
of your hair for a couple of hours. Besides building character, the dripping
oil does wonders for the complexion. And everyone loves a clean oilpan.
        Regards,
                         Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:48:18 -0800
From: con & greg <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Missing Club Information

Re: Passenger side window for Land Rover truck cab.  Does anybody know 
where I could find a window for my Land rover truck cab?  It got busted 
in the summer and its about time I get a replacement. ( window is curved) 
My E-mail address is  Seitl@ns.Sympatico.ca   Thank You!  Nick Seitl

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From: uber@nbnet.nb.ca (JMJasper)
Subject: new Email address
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:29:09 -0400

My EMail adress has changed due to MIS closing down from <uber@mis.nb.ca> to
<uber@nbnet.nb.ca> mail me for confirmation if required as I need to
unsubscribe.
JM Jasper
JM Jasper, uber@nbnet.nb.ca

Sors Salutis

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:30:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Re:camshaft removal

Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 21:34:40 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: camshaft removal

At 08:48 PM 3/9/97 -0500, Nate asked:

>All there's left on the block is the distributor gear drive and the camshaft.
> While the cam is free, I can't get it out of the block.  It seems to jam
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Does the distrib gear drive have to come out first and if so, how ? Do I
>remove the circlip?

Hi Nate,
The distributor/gear must be removed and the drive shaft to the oil pump ( I
believe) then she will come on out.  I don't recall having to mess with a
circlip.
Mike Johnson  N7WBO
74 SIII 88 (Chester)  25903561b
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  ?????????
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

Nate,
   Mike probably doesn't remember this detail:  the dist gear is held in 
place by a small screw concealed behind the oil pump housing - no 
head, just male threads deep inside a sludge filled bore. Use a screw-
driver to remove. Now the drive gear will come out the top of the block,
along with a bloody great brass bushing. Note that the screw engages a 
hole in the bushing upon reassembly. 
    NOW the camshaft will come out!
 
            Eccentrically,

                            Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.co.symbios.com>
Subject: RE: Defender Doors
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:45:21 MST

From: Mike Rogers (MRogers315@aol.com)
>On Sat Mar 8TH Bob Davis wrote.
>> I have a question about 110 doors fitting on a 109.  It is my
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>90/110 Doors and Door tops fit perfectly to series II and III door
>openings.

Hmmm...hypothetical question: *IF* I had a set of doors &
removeable tops off a '94 D90 (Beluga Black) for sale, would
anybody be interested and how much would they be worth?

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:17:20 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Circlips

>There are lots of circlips in the gearbox, ... mother of them all. You 
>will know when you find it. As usual the shop manual completely 
>understates the problem ....Enjoy...

Been there done that, etc, etc...
I thought hwne I saw this that it would be a piece of cake, since I had 
tool made just for removing that type of circlip. That is, ones without 
holes for the pliers to fit into. It turned out that once the jaws of said 
plier were in the recess in the 3rd gear where the circlip is located, the 
splines of the mainshaft and the synchro teeth on the gear were enough to 
prevent my pliers from opening. An older gentleman who was helping me with 
the rebuild suggested using the pointed end of my oil seal puller to grab 
the ring and pry it out of its groove. This then made enough room for a 
screwdriver to be placed between the ring and the mainshaft, to keep it 
from popping back into the groove. Then I simply worked my way around the 
ring in a similar fashion until it was completely out of the groove. Then 
the pliers were brought into play and the ring removed from the shaft in 
the proper fashion. The ring must definitley be replaced. At the time they 
were backordered from the UK, and had I not managed to find THE LAST ONE IN 
THE COUNTRY, I may very well have still been waiting...
Enjoy indeed...
Cheers
DaveB. 

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:18:25 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Dunsfold LR

Does any one have any information about the Dunsfold Land Rover Museum. 
Is it open to the public? or by special arrangement only?  And if so,
who do I contact?

Thanks, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:45:03 -0800
From: con & greg <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pinion Oil Seals

Seems all my postings go un-noticed, or maybe they don't reach you all. Lets try one 
more time. Got from the UK today 4 Pinion Oil Seals, Rover type. They are different than 
what I expected. They have two spring wires, one on either side, unlike say a hub oil 
seal with wire on one side. I expected the latter style. Is this meant to keep oil in 
and grundge out? Part # is FRC4586. What say yea?

Con Seitl
1973 88 III  "Pig"
1962 88 II   "Millie"

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:48:54 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dunsfold LR

> Does any one have any information about the Dunsfold Land Rover Museum.
> Is it open to the public? or by special arrangement only?  And if so,
> who do I contact?

Dunsfold Trust and Museum
Phone:     0 44 1483 200567 
FAX:       0 44 1483 200738

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:04:40 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Frame corrosion

Brian Willoughby wrote:

>Does anyone out there have any experience in attaching a sacrificial
>piece of aluminium to the frame...to prevent corrosion from the galvanic
>effect?

Only if you want to drop the whole thing into an electrolyte, like the ocean 
or the Great Salt Lake...or the New York Thruway for that matter.  After 
*completely* rebuilding a '56 Dutch built sloop, and doing a bit of research 
of placement/sizing of sacrificial anodes, these will *only* work if anode 
and pieces to be protected are in the same solution and subject to a current 
flow.

As for galvanizing, the zinc coating becomes the anode *everywhere*, slowly 
worn away by galvanic action.   Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:48:00
From: B Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Sightings in Argentina

Hola!
	Well it is hard to believe that it has been a month since we left. After a
day like today  it is hard to understand why we travelled half way around
the world to enjoy summer. Today was about 85 Degrees and incredable. Nice
day to be at work.
	In terms of Land Rovers it was a pretty decent trip. Total for the trip:

IO9's-5
88's-1
110's-6
90's-0
RR classics-0
RR-1
Disco's- alot

	Shell (gasoline) was giving away 1 Disco each day for a month while we
were there as a promotion. With every 10 dollars worth of  fuel you got an
entry to win.With the cost of fuel being about 4 dollars a gallon I would
imagine that their were quite a few entries. It would definently be worth
having a diesal as diesal cost about  $1.20 a gallon.
	Also got some great pictures when we travelled into the Andes. We came
across a couple of kids who were driving their (Dad's)1996 110 Tdi  near
the base of Aconcagua ( SA highest peak) . Up till then we would only pass
them and not have time to take a picture. Got to ride in it also!  I want a
110 Tdi! 
	Anyway,  we had a great trip. I look forward to doing some trips this year
in the Rovers. I am thinking Baja or the south west? Also want to catch a
lazy buggers trip one of these days. 
	Hope all is well,
		Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1972 Land Rover 88
1967 FLH HD

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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:42:57 +0000
From: Tim Burt <Tim@stagesupplies.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dunsfold LR

In message <bulk.15390.19970310181034@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Ian
Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net> writes
>Does any one have any information about the Dunsfold Land Rover Museum. 
>Is it open to the public? or by special arrangement only?  And if so,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
>who do I contact?
>Thanks, Ian

Yes, the museum is open to the public, many LR Clubs also do pre-
arranged visits to the museum, (eg. Series 3 club).  I will look through
some back copies of Land Rover Owner and find the full address.

--Tim Burt - SIII 88"
http://www.stagesupplies.demon.co.uk  -  Lunatic Land Rover Web Page 

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From: "Thorsten Klein" <kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Re: Billing 97 preparations
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:08:35 +0100

Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>
writes
 
> Billing '97  -  THE Landrover event of the year!
> I know it's still a way off (july) but how many people are going this 
> year fom the list, shall we make arrangements to add human faces to to 
> our list of e-mail names?

YES, please. The best thing should be anarea for our own (if possible)

> Or how about preparing a sticker/sign to put 
> on our Landrovers

good idea
> Or how about preparing a sticker/sign to put 
I will be there from Friday morning I think.

See you there

Thorsten Klein
SIII Ltwt "Scotti"

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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:51:50 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: acceleration

Hi, 

My lightweight runs on LPG and petrol. Now the question:
Since two months, when running on LPG: difficult to accelerate, slows down 
when driving on a (steep) hill.
When switching to petrol: engine turns off. Unable to drive on it. 
Petrol arrives to the carb (this is not the problem). so I thought a carb 
problem but LPG uses only a very small part of it (almost nothing). Could it 
be something else (valves,...)?

Thanks for your help.

Philippe Carchon
Ghent, Belgium
'80 lightweight.
ir. Philippe Carchon
Department of Applied Ecology and Environmental Biology
University of Gent
J. Plateaustraat 22, B9000 Gent, Belgium
Tel: 32 9 2643776  / Fax:: 32 9 2644199
E-mail: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be

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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:03:33
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: Series Electronic Ignition

Who makes electronic ignitions for Series LR with 2.25L engines?

Which is best?
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Don MacDonald	<don@direct.ca>
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:08:37
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: Series Electronic Ignition

Has anyone ever had a problem with condensation in the engine oil filler
tube and the breather(PCV valve) on top of the valve cover. Both of these
on my truck are filled with white oil/gunk. I can't figure out why this is
happening, I wasn't in any water! It is also happening to a few other LR's
from around here.

Anybody???

-------------------------------------
Don MacDonald		<don@direct.ca>
<http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don>
   _____________<|
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  |  ____  |     |  ____ |  		
  |_/ __ \_|_____|_/ __ \|]		
     /  \           /  \		Tweety 
     \__/           \__/			"I tot I taw a puty tat"
Yellow 1966 Series IIA (refurbished)
New Project: Tremclad Green 1964 Series IIA (soon to be coil sprung deluxe!!)
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:09:10
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: White gunk in oil filler tube??????

Has anyone ever had a problem with condensation in the engine oil filler
tube and the breather(PCV valve) on top of the valve cover. Both of these
on my truck are filled with white oil/gunk. I can't figure out why this is
happening, I wasn't in any water! It is also happening to a few other LR's
from around here.

Anybody???

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Don MacDonald		<don@direct.ca>
<http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don>
   _____________<|
|>| 000000 | .."\   ___
  |________|_\/__\_|___|_
  |  ____  |     |  ____ |  		
  |_/ __ \_|_____|_/ __ \|]		
     /  \           /  \		Tweety 
     \__/           \__/			"I tot I taw a puty tat"
Yellow 1966 Series IIA (refurbished)
New Project: Tremclad Green 1964 Series IIA (soon to be coil sprung deluxe!!)
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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: need some info on 6-cyl. to 4-cyl swap
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:13:40 +0100 (MET)

Hello all,
a friend of mine has come across a good 109 with a 6 cylinder engine.
He plays with the idea of buying it and swapping the 6 banger for 
a 2.25 or 2.5l Diesel.
Does anyone know if these will mate to the 6cyl. bellhousing?
What other parts would he need? (exhaust? wiring? ignition lock?)
Is there anybody out there who has done a similar swap?

Thanks for your comments,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:37:35 +0100 (MET)
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Subject: Re: need some info on 6-cyl. to 4-cyl swap

   From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>

   Hello all,
   a friend of mine has come across a good 109 with a 6 cylinder engine.
   He plays with the idea of buying it and swapping the 6 banger for 
   a 2.25 or 2.5l Diesel.
   Does anyone know if these will mate to the 6cyl. bellhousing?

They won't. He'll have to change the bellhousing. This is _possible_
to do with the gearbox still in the vehicle ( a friend of mine did
this once), but I'm not sure if you really want to. 

   What other parts would he need? (exhaust? wiring? ignition lock?)

Yes. :-). The largest part of the job is the fact that the engine 
(and/or gearbox) are in the wrong position. 
The 6-cyl is somewhat longer than the 4-cyl.

A friend of mine did this a few years ago (from a 6-cyl to a 2.5NA diesel).
He kept the gearbox in the original (6-cyl) position. I'm not sure if this
was a good idea - he now has to have a specially build exhaust, which is a
bit more expensive than the standard one.

My  advice : move gearbox x-member, possibly engine mounts as well, to
make the frame be as close as possible to the standard 4-cyl version.

regards,

---Ketil Kirkerud (1979 109" Petrol SW : "Lillebil")

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Circlips
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 9:45:42 GMT

Well, assembly has restarted. As most of the bits have arrived (bar a few clips
etc), I can start on another bit if I stall somewhere else. 
The 4wd assembly and handbrake (bar flange) have been built. Others bits in
various stages of part-assembly. One bit that is holding me up, is the circlip
on the bearing housing that goes in the rear of the main gearbox.
The bearing went in without much trouble, but the circlip (even the old one)
is too stiff! I hate these circlips!

Also, with the oil seal on the 4wd housing, how much is it meant to hinder
rotation of the output shaft? It must if it is to work ,but I was worried
about how much it did, so  kept fiddling. Of course, overtightening the
castle nut on the output flange doesn't help.

And as for dipstick award: I was using a paint can as a drift (suitable
shielded). Thankfully I caught it before it burst, but it could be interesting
next time I open the can....

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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