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1 4[not specified]
2 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.18Re: Towing Expectations
3 "David Olley at New Conc6[not specified]
4 NADdMD@aol.com 22Trivia Answer
5 NADdMD@aol.com 15Looking for 4" Sill Trim
6 NADdMD@aol.com 15Looking for 4" Sill Trim
7 JmieWilson@aol.com 22Heaters
8 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M14Re: Towing Expectations
9 Michel Bertrand [mbertra31Re: Looking for 4" Sill Trim
10 Ian Harper/Donna-Claire 30TARC Web Page
11 Richard Lucking [lucking36RE: Heaters
12 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+22Re: Stop sending me mail!!!
13 Gregspitz@aol.com 12defender@belgonet.be
14 David Russell [David_R@m39Re: Anybody in the Boston, Ma., USA area got a towbar?
15 jimallen@onlinecol.com (34Land Rover/Hummer Humor
16 NADdMD@aol.com 20Re: Looking for 4" Sill Trim
17 Sanna@aol.com 15Re: Cracked In the Head
18 Greg Moore [gmoore@islan15heater
19 "Zijp, Ferenc-Jan van" [25re: please subscribe me
20 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo12RE: Anybody in the Boston, Ma., USA area got a towbar?
21 Adrian Redmond [channel637Nate's fund raiser
22 Dirk Tischer [dtischer@U9Re: Seat
23 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa45RE: how to repair a gas tank?
24 jros@argus.co.za (Jonath22Re: Stop sending me mail!!!
25 rover1@sky.net (Steve Pa18Members from Atlanta area
26 sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu 21Purchasing a Land Rover
27 Michael Carradine [cs@cr27Re: Members from Atlanta area
28 rand@anv.net (Thomas moo6Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
29 NADdMD@aol.com 32Re: Purchasing a Land Rover
30 Adrian Redmond [channel642Re: Purchasing a Land Rover
31 sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu 29Thanks for the info.
32 "Herman L. Stude" [herma20Carb Replacement
33 lopezba@atnet.at 17Re: The Joys of Six
34 lopezba@atnet.at 17Re: Springz
35 sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu 19[not specified]
36 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us11Re: Carb Replacement
37 "Paul Gussack" [pcg@tenn16Heaters
38 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr23Re: Paint Removal from galvanized Bits
39 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr23Re: Paint Stripping Galvanized Surfaces
40 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr20Re: Stop sending me mail!!!
41 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr20Re: Stop email!!!!!!
42 ben@bell-labs.com 18lr wheels FS, .. maybe?
43 Floris Houniet [Houniet@23Re: Carb Replacement
44 Michael Carradine [cs@cr30Re: lr wheels FS, .. maybe?
45 Patrick Kullenberg [KULL9Land Rover Rentals
46 Chris Murray [murraycm@b27Acceleration Problems...
47 Patrick Kullenberg [KULL11Range Rover Wanted
48 David Cockey [dcockey@ti17Re: Carb Replacement
49 alan boyer [aboyer@inter15Re: Range Rover Wanted
50 Dan Rao [ncavwc@nicom.co9exploding distributor
51 jouster@redm.primextech.252.25, 2.25, 2.5
52 jouster@redm.primextech.24Re: Acceleration Problems...
53 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr18Re: Nate's fund raiser
54 Sanna@aol.com 16Re: exploding distributor
55 john hess [jfhess@wheel.20euro vs nada
56 Nathaniel Council [counc14Re: Nate's fund raiser
57 Doug McPherson [haystack34Brakes good/bad on 110
58 SACME@aol.com 70Valve train damage, 2.25 petrol (continued)
59 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett27[not specified]
60 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett28Joy of Six etc
61 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett31Wiper Motor--WANTED
62 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu29Re: Joy of Six etc
63 Franz Parzefall [franz@m22Re: 2.25, 2.25, 2.5
64 Franz Parzefall [franz@m14Re: Nate's fund raiser
65 Jon Callas [jon@worldben23Re: A Young Fart
66 bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh27Unsubscribing
67 Rory [u01rpfc@abdn.ac.uk51Re: Purchasing a Land Rover
68 James Breach [jbreach@ds19Diesel compressions
69 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo18Re: Diesel compressions


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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 7:11:15 EST

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:43:41 +0000
Subject: Re: Towing Expectations

>> is what kind of towing expectations can we expect from the 2.25 gas
>Go for the 2.25 diesel - it's not the fastest truck on the road, but
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>for larger loads, and can easily carry 60 bales of hay in pick-up
>configuration.

The way the farmers do it in the UK is to use a 109 if they want to 
stick lots of stuff in teh back (there's no room for more than a 
thermos flask and sandwiches in the back of an 88), BUT if 
they want to tow, they all use 88s. Why? Cos the tow hook is just 
about right on the rear axle, so the 88 is a lot safer towing heavier 
loads. They are rated for 4 ton trailers.......

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From: "David Olley at New Concept" <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:54:08 -0000

unsubscribe uk-lro

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:31:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Trivia Answer

Hi all,

John North Willys bought the Overland Company in 1906, and started producing
Willys Overland vehicles.  In the 40's (after probably stealing parts of the
design from Bantam), Willys Overland finally won the Army contract to produce
the Jeep (from which early prototypes of the Land Rover were developed).

Willys Overland was bought by Kaiser in the early 50's (1953?) and eventually
mutated into Kaiser-Jeep.  Kaiser was purchased by AMC in 1970 who began to
run the company into the ground.  Eventually, AMC spun off AM General (as a
defense contractor) to produce military jeeps (and later the Hummer).  The
Jeep portion was sold to Chrysler while AM General became and independant
company.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:38:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Looking for 4" Sill Trim

Hi all,

I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively
decent shape for an early IIa.

Thanks,

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:39:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Looking for 4" Sill Trim

Hi all,

I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively
decent shape for an early IIa.

Thanks,

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:42:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Heaters

In a message dated 05/02/97  02:02:26, paul@frcs.alt.za wrote:

<< For all three places, I recommend thermal underwear, polarfleece outers,
 and maybe a gortex shell (beats fixing the leaky roof).  Pretend that the
 heater doesn't exist, or even remove it to make space for a spare battery.
  >>

I always carry a squeegy for demisting the windscreen.  You need a fairly
small one that you can keep on the dash as you need to use it at regular
intervals.  I wondered if the copious amounts of condensation are caused by
breath.  I cannot hold my breath for hours on end so maybe a facemask with
its own high level exhaust would help!!!!

Regards

Jamie

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:03:51 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Towing Expectations

e 88s. Why? Cos the tow hook is just
>about right on the rear axle, so the 88 is a lot safer towing heavier
>loads. They are rated for 4 ton trailers.......
Are you positive about that Andy? I seem to remember that the 90's
rated towing capacity is 3.5 tons,and that would be higher than the
88".May be wrong here,but......

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:10:28 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Looking for 4" Sill Trim

At 08:38 97-02-05 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively

-decent shape for an early IIa.
>Thanks,
>I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively

-Nate
>NADdMD@aol.com
>I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively
-

Is that for an 88 or a 109?

Michel

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 08:32:55 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: TARC Web Page

Here's a new page to add to those ever increasing list of Land Rover
Links.

http://www.inforamp.net/~gyp/index.html 

This is the Home page for the Toronto Area Rover Club.  This is a LR and
Rover car based group in-you guessed it!-Toronto, Ontario.   It has
Rover car info, as well as LR info.   We're just getting started, so
things will be added as they develop.   There is a For Sale section for
members and non-members, as well as a member list and pictures area
(nothing here yet!)

The LR side of the page can be accessed by going to:

http://www.golden.net/~tantramar/tarcmain.html

As always, comments and suggestions are always welcome.

Cheers, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: Richard Lucking <lucking@3s.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Heaters
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:28:07 -0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello All.... after being absent for a few months, we now have company email - so I'm back!!

I find the best way to prevent condensation is to drive everywhere with the window open - believe me - it works!!

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From: 	JmieWilson@aol.com[SMTP:JmieWilson@aol.com]
Sent: 	05 February 1997 14:24
Subject: 	Heaters

In a message dated 05/02/97  02:02:26, paul@frcs.alt.za wrote:

<< For all three places, I recommend thermal underwear, polarfleece outers,
 and maybe a gortex shell (beats fixing the leaky roof).  Pretend that the
 heater doesn't exist, or even remove it to make space for a spare battery.
  >>

I always carry a squeegy for demisting the windscreen.  You need a fairly
small one that you can keep on the dash as you need to use it at regular
intervals.  I wondered if the copious amounts of condensation are caused by
breath.  I cannot hold my breath for hours on end so maybe a facemask with
its own high level exhaust would help!!!!

Regards

Jamie

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:24:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

HOw much fun can we have with this...?  After all the silly twit figured
out to subscribe to the list seems he should be able to UNsubscribe..

Russ Wilson
67 RHD 88
"The Pig"

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh Pa's oldest Land Rover Club....(only Rover club)

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Nathaniel Council wrote:

> PWright@aol.com wrote:
> > I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail
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> 			Nathan
> 1977 SerIII

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:54:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: defender@belgonet.be

In a message dated 97-02-04 23:58:30 EST, you write:

> defender@belgonet.be
Thanks for the info....the dealer will do it and it is covered under warranty
still....
Greg

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:56:17 -0500
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody in the Boston, Ma., USA area got a towbar?

>From: RykRover@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:28:38 -0500 (EST)
>Hi Al, I just went through tow hell with u-haul :(  ,  I called to reserve a
>car transporter

Been there, done that. *However*

>and they asked what I was towing. I told the truth and said `63 LR SWB . Iwas
>then told that they couldn`t rent one to me because my `96 Disco was to light

She has a valid point. SWB Series Vehicles weigh between 3000-4000 lbs,
depending on their configuration. The U-Haul car transporter (more commonly
known as a trailer) is built like the proverbial brick s....house and
weighs 2000 lbs. The curb weight of an unladen Discovery is around 4400 lbs
and the max towing capacity is 5500 lbs using a trailer w/brakes. As a
general rule, one shouldn't tow more than 110%-120% of your curb weight,
otherwise you run the risk of your trailer passing you on the highway or
simply a case of "the tail wagging the dog." In this case, she's right. The
combination of the trailer and SWB is over 5000lbs and probably nearing
6000lbs. Add to that the fact that you can't adjust the weight on the
trailer and the U-haul trailer looks pretty useless for this application.

The reason I bring this up is that I've tried it before and it scared the
heck outta me. Trying to go 55 on the thruways around NY, jersey barriers
on one side, crazies in semis on the other and feeling like the rear end is
about to brake loose is pretty unnerving.

The problem is the U-haul (America's moving adventure...from HELL)
transporter is too damn heavy. But, Spencer tells me there is some guy just
north of NYC with a really nice trailer who loves to tow--anywhere in North
America--for free even...has a few Rovers, an airplane, I think...

Cheers,
David

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:31:52 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Land Rover/Hummer Humor

        During the 1994 Aspen Land Rover Driving Academy. we had a pair of
fellows who were a cut above the usual novice four-wheelers. These guys
were good - very good in fact. Fully capable of our toughest last day runs
right from the start. One said he had a jeep and the other a Range Rover
and it appeared that both had a good bit of experience.
        A part of the program was a day in which we had Cliff Blake,
founder of the Tread Lightly! program, on the Taylor Pass run to answer
wildlife questions and give the folks a motivation talk on preserving our
trails.
        Well, Cliff showed up the night before and, oddly, the two
aforementioned fellows kinda disappeared. Later that evening, they took
T.C. aside (Tom Collins) and asked if they could talk to him privately. In
their talk, they admitted to being from AM General! Spies!
        The story was that they had heard a lot of good things about our
program and wanted to experience it for themselves with an eye towards
building an instructional program of their own. They wrestled with the
question of whether to tell us all up front but thought that by doing so,
it might take away from the program for the other customers. The problem
was that they had worked with Cliff Blake and he knew them by sight. They
were sure he would  blow their "cover," so they 'fessed up and offered to
leave. We saw no problems with them being on the 6 day course (hey, they
paid their &4500) so they stayed.
        They were nice guys and we all got along great but, of course, we
razzed them unmercifully (if you don't want to be kicked, don't lay down!).
We had a lot of fun and it didn't detract at all from the experience. At
the end of the program, when everyone was getting their diplomas, we had an
official "cover blowing" ceremony and an outrageous squirt gun fight.

        Jim Allen

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:49:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Looking for 4" Sill Trim

In a message dated 97-02-05 09:44:55 EST, you write:

<< -Nate
 >NADdMD@aol.com
 >I'm looking for a complete set of the wide (4 5/16" ?) trim in relatively
 -
 
 Is that for an 88 or a 109?
  >>
That would be for an 88"

Sorry
Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:51:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Cracked In the Head

>Is that a gas or diesel head?

2 1/4 Petrol needed.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 08:22:04 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: heater

All this talk of making a LR comfortable reminds me of the VW gas heater 
I installed in a previous SWB. The heater was the large one out of a VW 
bus. I mounted it behind the driver's seat and connected it to a 
thermostat and timer - the idea being that the LR would already be warm 
inside (with defrosted windows too!) by the time I left for work.

After burning the paint off the bulkhead I stowed the heater safely away 
in a wooden crate where it remains to this day. Plan B?

Cheers, Greg

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From: "Zijp, Ferenc-Jan van" <fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl>
Subject: re: please subscribe me
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 17:29:00 CET

>Please take me off your e mail list I donot own a land >rover.   
pwright@aol=
>.com

Buy a Land-rover, your problems will disappear.

Cheers!

Ferenc

#     fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl
#          ferencj@xs4all.nl
#
#  still roverless, but an avid dreamer
#
#   __________ <--- empty driveway (not even oil-stained)
#
#  An opinion is hard to get by, but when I have one,
#  I seriously doubt it is shared by my employer.  

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:36:22 -0400
Subject: RE: Anybody in the Boston, Ma., USA area got a towbar?

Re: Zippy Tow:

Wish I could, but the silly bastard's out of reach in the wilds of
Connecticuit....

               aj"I'd drive it, but no brakes...."r

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 18:52:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Nate's fund raiser

Nathaniel Council wrote:
> PWright@aol.com wrote:
> > I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail
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>                         Nathan
> 1977 SerIII
I agree Nate - instead of money - lets give parts (used) then he can
build himself a Land Rover out of old (worn-out) parts, then he will
have plenty use for the LRO-Net!

I'll chip in with a set of four springs, 20 years old, only one owner,
very used, not very springy, a broken axle-shaft or two, and a set of
worn pistons (now undersize).

cheers!

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:01:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Dirk Tischer <dtischer@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Seat

If you don't mind a new one.  Atlantic British imports cheap 88 inward
facing seats, and sells them for around 140.  I've got a pair on my 90.

Dirk Tischer

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.boeing.com>
Subject: RE: how to repair a gas tank?
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:18:19 -0800

>>From: bfinley@awinc.com (BRYCEFINLEY)
>>Subject: how to repair a gas tank?
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>>Does anyone know what options there are for fixing this, or should it just
>>be replaced?

I had this problem a number of years ago on my 1973 Series III-88.  The
problem is caused by dirt and moisture getting trapped between the skid
plate and the tank and rusting the tank through from the outside.  The
best solution is to replace the tank, but give it a heavy coat of
anti-rust paint before you install it.  Really slop it down between the
skid plate and the tank, and that will help stave off the rust problem.

There is another option if you don't want to replace the tank right now,
and that is to use a sloshing compound.  This liquid is used to seal the
inside of aircraft fuel tanks that have started seeping fuel through the
tank seams.  You can buy it at aviation supply stores (and probably
other sources, too, like marine specialty stores).  The liquid is poured
into the tank and "sloshed" by moving the tank around to coat all the
inside surfaces.  It is usually necessary to make several applications
at varying dilution's- the directions are on the can.  When it dries, it
forms a "liner" on the inside of the tank which stops small leaks from
pinholes or seams.

If you use this method and you have a Land Rover that has a fuel vapor
trap system and a sealed gas cap make sure the vent line from the
charcoal filter is clear.  If it isn't, the vacuum forming in the tank
will pull the sloshing compound seal away from the tank wall and your
leaks will come back.  I learned this the hard way by forgetting to cut
the hole in the center of the new gasket I made for the vent line- dumb
thing to do but it caused me to say the hell with it and spring for a
new tank.  But before the liner pulled away, my tanks leaks were stopped
very effectively.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:37:44 +0200
From: jros@argus.co.za (Jonathan Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

unsubscribe jros@star.argus.co.za

Does not seem to difficult but this silly twit has joined the ranks of the
undead - condemned to wander the world of cyber landies instead of getting
out with a whip and shifting spanner and beating his own into submission.

Bye all - the list has been fun  - alas work machine and open plan office

Jon

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:44:55 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Members from Atlanta area

Hello the List,
        My 10 year old took a message from Kevin Hobgood of Dunwoody, GA
(I think the last name is Hobgood,...I dunno, his scrawl is almost as bad
as mine...but then, I've had 43 years to practice mine)  Does anyone out
there know Kevin?  My son said he wanted info on "Land Rover stuff".  I'm
guessing it's about our club.  Please E-mail me with his correct  address
or phone number (the number he left is a fax machine, and my faxing is
worse than my penmanship)  or ask him to call me back.
        Thanks

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:45:58 -0800 (PST)
From: sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu (Christopher R. Sosnay)
Subject: Purchasing a Land Rover

Hello, I don't own a Land Rover, but I can't wait until I can!

        I am a college student who has thought a lot about buying a Series
IIA or III.  My question is, how hard will it be to take care of?  I know a
lot depends on the condition of the Rover, but would it be possible to use
that Land Rover all the time, or would I have to only use it on special
occasions.  Remember, I am a college student, and as much as I would like to
work on a restoration project, I will just have to wait to deal with that.
I want something to drive everwhere, city, inerstate, and yes trails.
Thanks and Sincerely,

Christopher Sosnay
Whitewater, WI 
sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu
"The more one does and sees and feels, the more one is able to do..."
Amelia Erhart

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:02:37 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Members from Atlanta area

At 12:44 PM 2/5/97 -0300, Steve Paustian wrote:
:        My 10 year old took a message from Kevin Hobgood of Dunwoody, GA
:(I think the last name is Hobgood,...I dunno, his scrawl is almost as bad
:as mine...but then, I've had 43 years to practice mine)  Does anyone out
:there know Kevin?  My son said he wanted info on "Land Rover stuff".  I'm
:guessing it's about our club.  Please E-mail me with his correct  address
:or phone number (the number he left is a fax machine, and my faxing is
:worse than my penmanship)  or ask him to call me back.

 Hi Steve,

 This must be the same Kevin Hobgood that spoke to me a day or so ago
 asking for info on Unimogs.  He gave his address as 2306 Queen Anne Ct.
 before my fax machine cut into the line.  By the time I had the fax
 under control Kevin was gone and he did not call back.

 Anyone else have his phone and/or fax number?

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:25:46 -0800
From: rand@anv.net (Thomas moore)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

unsubscribe Thomas Moore

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:56:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Purchasing a Land Rover

In a message dated 97-02-05 13:48:00 EST, you write:

<<    I am a college student who has thought a lot about buying a Series
 IIA or III.  My question is, how hard will it be to take care of?  I know a
 lot depends on the condition of the Rover, but would it be possible to use
 that Land Rover all the time, or would I have to only use it on special
 occasions.  Remember, I am a college student, and as much as I would like to
 work on a restoration project, I will just have to wait to deal with that.
 I want something to drive everwhere, city, inerstate, and yes trails. >>

A lot depends on you.  If you are handy and are willing to spend a fair bit
of your spare time on routine maintenance, then you'll probably be happy with
it.  Things you'd need to be able to do routinely is change oil, check and
fill gearbox, swivel balls and transfer case,  reset valve clearances, change
plugs and points, adjust timing and adjust brakes.

You'll want to find one in reasonably good shape (good heater, engine and
gearbox in good condition, good carbeurattor, good brakes, sound steering)
because problems in any of these places can be expensive and a major hassle.

Fuel consumption will be high and comfort level low.  But other than that,...

Welcome to the club!

Nate 
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:31:21 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Purchasing a Land Rover

Christopher R. Sosnay wrote:
> Hello, I don't own a Land Rover, but I can't wait until I can!
>         I am a college student who has thought a lot about buying a Series
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> "The more one does and sees and feels, the more one is able to do..."
> Amelia Erhart
Well Chris... if you don't have any plans for your freetime or spare
cash for the next 5 or 6 years, you have made the right choice - but the
cost of buying / restoring / running a Land Rover is inversly
proportional to the time you wish to dedicate to your new hobby -
because, unless you are over the worst first year or so, most of the
hobby is practiced horizontal on the workshop floor, as opposed to
four-wheeling through the landscape.

So if you get just as much fun from repairing and rebuilding as you do
from actually driving the truck, then I can't think of a better choice.

Though if you are married - check that such diversions are within the
terms and conditions - read small print in marriage contract!

good luck!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:42:56 -0800 (PST)
From: sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu (Christopher R. Sosnay)
Subject: Thanks for the info.

>To: NADdMD@alo.com
>From: sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu (Christopher R. Sosnay)
>Subject: Thanks for the info.

Nate, I had trouble sending this to your adress, so here it is... 

Dear Nate,
>        You guys are great!  I want to thankyou for telling me the truth
about owning and maintaining a Land Rover.  The fear I have is I don't have
a lot of money, and I am not very experienced with engines.  Mabey I should
take a class on desiel(sp, I think?) repair at a tech school this summer to
get a better background.  I am aware of the owners manuals you need to have
inorder to do repairs.  The only worry I have is, do I have to get all my
parts from the East Coast ie. Rovers North, or will my little local Land
Rover dealer in Milwaukee be able to get the spear parts?  I bet they will
screw me out of money is what they will do.  Oh well looks like I should
start puting more money away, but who cares if it is something you really want.
>Thanks again,
>Christopher Sosnay
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Christopher Sosnay
>Whitewater, WI
"The more one does and sees and feels, the more one is able to do..."
Amelia Erhart

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 14:47:52 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Carb Replacement

Dear Friends;

I've got a 1973 SIII 88 mostly original and my mechanic says to me today
"you might want to think about replacing your original Solex with a 2
barrel Webber down the line...it's easier to retire an old carb than
wait until it drives you bonkers in trying to fix it along the way." 

So I'm thinking to myself, ...self I'm getting 14+ mpg at 63mph on the
highway, good smooth idle @ 750 rpm, a little power loss half way up the
power curve that evens out at full pedal so why would I want to change
anything?

The question is up for grabs.

HLS

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:52:49 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: The Joys of Six

About the Rover 6 cyl 3 liter - my local guru has about five of these, and 
swears by them, but then he only uses them in his Rovers. I would also be 
concerned about the torque and its suitability for off-roading. How is the 
spares situation for ths engine in the USA? 

So far I have heard a lot of bad things about the large GMC diesel, btw, and 
I would also think it is much too strong for transmission, halfshafts and 
brakes. 
Good luck
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:52:45 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Springz

Ned Heite got some rather shocking prices for springs for his IIa (600-1200 
USD for all four). In the UK, L-R springs are typically in the 30-50 UKP 
range per spring, which would mean about 200-300 USD for all four, plus p+p 
of course. One of my L-R buddies here has his IIa springs made by a shop 
that makes heavy truck springs, and he swears by them - regularly goes 
through the Sahara with them ("The best Austrian steel"). He pays about 90 
USD/spring, which I thought expensive so far, but not any more. Maybe look 
for one of these for a set of non-original heavy duty springs.
Hope this helps
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:57:31 -0800 (PST)
From: sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu (Christopher R. Sosnay)

>To: channel16@post2.tele.dk
>From: sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu (Christopher R. Sosnay)
>Dear Adrain,
>        Thanks,  I will enjoy being a bachelor while I can, although I have

a girlfriend who loves to be outdoors.  I know that buying a Land Rover
Takes commitment and I will just have to do that.  I have to save up some
more money, but I will keep you updated on my status.
>Thanks,
>Christopher Sosnay
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Christopher Sosnay
>Whitewater, WI, USA
"The more one does and sees and feels, the more one is able to do..."
Amelia Erhart

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:08:03 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Carb Replacement

Scrap the whole works and put in a diesel. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:36:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Heaters

With much research I have recently discovered what the levers on the side of my
SIII dash are for.  (note: this is for a RHD. LHD will of course have to
reverse port & starboard.)

The far right lever of course controls which way the hamster is facing.
The far left lever controls if the hamster is on its feet or back.
The three position switch controls which orifice is used for production of
heat.

Paul G
SIII "Grendal"

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:12:06 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Removal from galvanized Bits

At 12:03 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail

Gee, uh, duh...  So why'd you sign up?  Duh...  Sending messages to da list
don't seem ta work, now do it?  Maybe you should do what da major says and
"unsubscribe lro" in da message.  Mebbe ya should stick ta playin' doom.
Leave da internet for da adults.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:12:14 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Stripping Galvanized Surfaces

At 01:44 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail

Ya know, it might just be easier if you went out and bought one.  But if you
can't figure out a simple mail list, you probably wouldn't have a clue what
to do with all them gearshift levers, pedals, buttons, and whatnot.  Maybe
you should just sell your computer and buy an adding machine instead.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:12:16 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

At 08:01 AM 2/5/97 +0100, you wrote:
>| PWright@aol.com wrote:
>| > I do not own a land Rover!!! get me off your mail
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>| of a Land Rover. I say we hold a fund raiser.
>argh! Good idea, but I just told him how to get off the list :-(

Don't worry -- he'll probably still not figure it out.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:12:11 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Stop email!!!!!!

At 12:28 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Please take me off your e mail list I donot own a land rover. pwright@aol.com

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>Please take me off your e mail list I donot own a land rover. pwright@aol.com

Not that AOL users are any less intelligent than other people...  

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 19:17:18 -0500
Subject: lr wheels FS, .. maybe?

Hi all,

I am getting new tires in 235-85-16, (min rim 6"), and my rims are 5.5"
So if the shop will refuse to put them on, I might be getting new rims.

Anybody wants these?  These are steel 5.5x16", but are good for the
coiler axles only, like D's, RRs or a StageI, as well as any coiler
conversions, and the offset is correct for the 90/110/stage (not sure
exactly what it is)
Ronny, this will be just right for your monster :)
these are in NJ, and BO is the price.
Jan

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 01:30:44 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Carb Replacement

Adams, Bill wrote:
> Scrap the whole works and put in a diesel.

O.K., that's the same idea I had, but what kind of diesel?
I don't like turbo's in terrain vehicles, so it boils down to a
3 bearing 2.25, 5 bearing 2.25 or a 2.5 non turbo.

I can buy a 3 bearing 2.25 here in holland for dfl 1500 (US$750?), 
but I think I rather like the idea of a newer 2.5 litre...
Any ideas?
Is it a good idea to buy a 2.25 for US$750 on only a compression check?
Should I save and dish out for a rebuilt 2.5. Does anybody have any info
on placing one of these in a series IIa ? Are they reliable?

Open to discussion...

Floris Houniet
'69 109 IIa

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:35:32 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: lr wheels FS, .. maybe?

At 07:17 PM 2/5/97 -0500, ben@bell-labs.com wrote:
:I am getting new tires in 235-85-16, (min rim 6"), and my rims are 5.5"
:So if the shop will refuse to put them on, I might be getting new rims.
:
:Anybody wants these?  These are steel 5.5x16", but are good for the
:coiler axles only, like D's, RRs or a StageI, as well as any coiler
:conversions, and the offset is correct for the 90/110/stage (not sure
:exactly what it is)
:Ronny, this will be just right for your monster :)
:these are in NJ, and BO is the price.
:Jan

 I'm looking for a set for my Series III, and I'm pretty sure they will
 fit.  I have a set of 9x16 steel rims with no offset and with highway
 truck tires on them; or maybe a set of 3 spoke 7x16 Range Rover 'classic'
 rims I would trade.  Although, I believe the widest tire for the 7x16's
 is 225-75-16 (as currently intalled on my RR)

 What's the offset on your rims?

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:17:16 -0800
From: Patrick Kullenberg <KULLENBERG@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Land Rover Rentals

I saw a post today asking about LR rentals in S. Ca.  Most offices of 
Enterprise Rental Car have at least 1 Disco.  The rate is high, about 
$80 per day.
Cheers

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:15:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Murray <murraycm@bc.edu>
Subject: Acceleration Problems... 

Hello!
Hopefully some of you experts out there can help me
OK,
With no choke on, when the engine is hot running at idle very 
smoothly, if i pushe the pedal down a little too fast, i stall.  
In order to start up with no choke i must be rediculously careful 
not to stall.

Now, if i apply abou 1/4 choke, my engine revs at abit higher rpm, 
and i can push the pedal down as fast as i want. But, with the 
choke at 1/4 position, once i get into third, acceleration is 
terrible.

BUT, if i now push in the choke, i can accelerate great.

unfortunately this routine keeps going and going and as you might 
imagine gets a bit annoying after a few stop signs.

Does this sound like a carb problem?

Thanks for your input.
Chris

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:21:17 -0800
From: Patrick Kullenberg <KULLENBERG@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Range Rover Wanted

This summer, I am going to be in the market for a 95,SWB Range Rover.  
Since they only came in 3 colors, that year, I guess I can't be too 
picky, however, I would prefer the Epsom Green.  I'm located in So Cal, 
so a car there would be best, but due to the limited numbers of that 
year, all suggestions appreciated. TIA
Cheers

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:14:25 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Replacement

Herman inquires:
> I've got a 1973 SIII 88 mostly original and my mechanic says to me today
> "you might want to think about replacing your original Solex with a 2
> barrel Webber down the line...it's easier to retire an old carb than
> wait until it drives you bonkers in trying to fix it along the way." 

I trust your mechanic was using Solex in a generic sense, or you have an
unusual SIII. SIIs from around '68 and SIIIs had Zenith carbs., which
are still available.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 18:37:26 -0700
From: alan boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Wanted

I'm pretty sure all 1995 RR's were LWBS correct me if i'm wrong

Alan

At 05:21 PM 2/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>This summer, I am going to be in the market for a 95,SWB Range Rover.  
>Since they only came in 3 colors, that year, I guess I can't be too 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>year, all suggestions appreciated. TIA
>Cheers

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:54:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Rao <ncavwc@nicom.com>
Subject: exploding distributor

Thanks for the suggestion Ned, I've already got a used replacement on the
way.  I will check the vacuum line just in case, but I'm pretty sure the
problem was a mechanical problem left over from when the dist failed on the
previous owner.  I should have attended to it earlier.

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 19:07:34 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: 2.25, 2.25, 2.5

Floris: I'd recommend 5 main bearings over 3 if you've actually got the 
choice. The stronger crank should give you some psychological comfort, even 
if the old 3 bearing ones don't often break anyway. I believe there are more 
2.5's running around than 2.25's in your part of the world, so spares should 
be available for a longer time. I think you'd still be able to get parts for 
the 2.5 in 15 years. A 2.5 powered the only diesel D90 I've driven up to a 
noisey (but quieter than my 2.25 109) 70mph, returning about 25mpg. My 
friend in the Brit military claimed they were very reliable (he was in 
charge of the training base Land Rover fleet). I don't trust belts as much 
as chains or gears, so there's another reason to avoid the turbo's (aren't 
the 2.5's chain?). My vote is for the 2.5, 'wish I could afford one. (sigh)
John Ousterhout
'64 109 diesel 5-door

>I don't like turbo's in terrain vehicles, so it boils down to a
>3 bearing 2.25, 5 bearing 2.25 or a 2.5 non turbo.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Open to discussion...
>Floris Houniet
>'69 109 IIa

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 19:19:31 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Acceleration Problems... 

Chris: You have described the symptoms of an inoperative carburetor 
accelerator pump. Knowing Land Rovers, and the way we usually approach 
problems, you should start by changing the spark plugs, then their wires, 
the distributor, the coil, then replace all that with a Luminition 
electronic ignition system, Delco alternator, pull the head and have 
"unleaded" valve seats installed, ARB air-locker rear diff (maybe the old 
one was dragging), rebuilt transmission (maybe something was wrong in there 
too), paint (to reduce air drag), upholstery (to match the paint) with 
Acoustikit, then put a 2 barrel Weber and Pierce manifold on, which will 
finally fix the problem. You will then have a vehicle that's a pleasure to 
drive. Aren't you glad Land Rovers are so easy to fix?
'hope this helps.
John Ousterhout

>With no choke on, when the engine is hot running at idle very 
>smoothly, if i pushe the pedal down a little too fast, i stall.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>Thanks for your input.
>Chris

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:51:25 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Nate's fund raiser

At 06:52 PM 2/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I agree Nate - instead of money - lets give parts (used) then he can
>build himself a Land Rover out of old (worn-out) parts, then he will
>have plenty use for the LRO-Net!

Count me in!  We'll even find out his address and ship him the parts for free!  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:17:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: exploding distributor

In a message dated 2/5/97 7:44:56 PM, you wrote:

<<Thanks for the suggestion Ned, I've already got a used replacement on the
way.  I will check the vacuum line just in case, but I'm pretty sure the
problem was a mechanical problem left over from when the dist failed on the
previous owner.  I should have attended to it earlier.
<<Thanks for the suggestion Ned, I've already got a used replacement on the

REPLACE THE DIST DRIVE COUPLER.  That's your problem.  It's a nickle & dime
part, so don't get chinsy.  E-mail me if you have ?'s.

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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:41:02 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: euro vs nada

Hi,

concerning euro 6 vs nada 6, are the block, crank, rods and pistons the same?

Will the westlake head bolt onto the euro 6 and would that do any GOOD for
the euro 6?

excus emy ignorance but my parts book doesn't have the nada 6 in it.

thanks,

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
                                  1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:38:59 -0600
From: Nathaniel Council <council@gcnet.com>
Subject: Re: Nate's fund raiser

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> Nathaniel Council wrote:
> > PWright@aol.com wrote:
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> --
> Adrian Redmond
I couldn't have said it better myself. I have a beatup side pannel or
two, and a little of the trademark mud. Nothing botheres me more than a
clean Rover.

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:48:29 +1100 (EST)
From: Doug McPherson <haystack@netspace.net.au>
Subject: Brakes good/bad on 110

Hi all,

My '85 V8 110 has had a 'long' brake pedal for a while now (ie it travels a
bit before the brakes work). The braking was fine, so I didn't worry about
it too much.

Last night I went for a drive, and the pedal had become quite good, braking
from right at the top of travel. It then went long again, good again, then
sank to the floor !!

I drove home slowly, but I had some braking effort right at the bottom of
travel. The brake warning light came on momentarily at one stage.

There is no serious fluid loss (ie fluid level in reservoir is OK, no leak
I've noticed at wheels).

This leads me to believe that the master is at fault, since there's no leak.
I was just wondering why the brakes came good before getting bad again ?

I'm planning on pulling the master at the weekend and having a look.

Thanks for any info,

Doug.

PS: brakes are disks at front and drums rear.

PPS: I sent this to the LRO list 'cos it seems more technically minded about
repairs than the rro list, and anyway I like to think of the 110 as a series IV.

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:21:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Valve train damage, 2.25 petrol (continued)

Thanks to all who replied to my request for help in diagnosing the cause of
severe camshaft, roller & tappet damage on my just rebuilt (3,955 miles since
rebuild) 2.25 petrol.  Machine shop still insists it was overtight valve
setting, but only they and my mechanic for some 18 years, who removed and
installed the engine and, after some 500 miles of careful break-in driving,
did the break-in oil change, head retorque and post-retorque valve
adjustment, touched the valve adjustment prior to the irregular
clickity-clack appearing. 

The engine has now been disassembled at the above mentioned machine shop, and
I had a good look at it.  My understanding is that one sign of over-tight
valves will be erosion of the valves and valve seats, due to failure of the
valves to close all the way.  The valves and seats are bright and shiny, with
no sign of erosion, pitting, grooving, etc.  Incidentally, the main, big end
and little end bearings look like new and a check with plastigage showed no
wear.  The front camshaft bearing seems to be installed correctly with the
hole that allows oil into the tappet gallery properly placed. (The hole in
the camshaft bearing shell seems awfully small for the job it is expected to
do - does that ring any alarm bells?)  In any case, as I see it, the
too-tight valve adjustment theory just doesn't ring true.  Any comments? 

Today I called a friend who has a long and varied history in LR's, including
many complete engine and transmission jobs, from Series I's through Series
III's.  He advised that he has experienced personally and has also heard from
others that there is a problem with some after-market (non LR-genuine) valve
guides, possibly made worse when used with the "Stellite" valves necessary
with unleaded fuel, in which the valve moves just fine in the guide when the
engine is cold (and feels just dandy during assembly), but expands and grabs
the valve stem when the engine gets hot.  This would seem to support the
evidence, in my engine, of total destruction in the camshaft area and clean
valves and seats at the other end of the valve train.   

In the case that my friend experienced personally, they caught it right away,
got the head off and reamed the valve guides.  It has run just fine ever
since. 

I spoke with my parts supplier, who claims he has had no reports of the above
problem with his valve guides.  He did request that I pass back to him
anything that I uncovered in the way of evidence, as they don't want to be
putting out bad parts.

Anybody out there had a problem with valves sticking in the (new) guides?  If
so, please let me know.  It is not my intent to badmouth any supplier, so if
you wish to include who you got the guides from, suggest you reply direct to
me.  If the evidence is there, I will pass it along to the suppliers.  In any
case, I will NOT give your name to the supplier unless you say it is OK to do
so.  

There seems to be little chance of my getting any monetary relief in this
engine disaster, so my goals now are (1) to find out what really happened to
my engine and (2) do whatever I can to prevent the same  thing happening to
my "Birmabright Brothers" and (3) dream about the Turner engine that I expect
will be delivered in about 2-3 weeks. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!   No more
local, non-LR experienced, machine shops for this lad....Nooooo way!

Thanks for at least reading this tale of woe.

Doug (when will I ever learn?) Scott
Two Series III's, one of which I've had since it was a "puppy".
Also proud to be a charter member of the Birmabright Brotherhood...call me if
you need me, brothers.  I'll send you down to this machine shop I
know......Oooooo, not nice.  

 

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 17:02:00 EST

WJMcD@aol.com wrote:
>Replace the 2.6 with a de-stroked 3.0. Slips right in. No fuss. No muss.

>Pros                    Cons

>Easy Installation            Dependability?
>I've plenty of Spares        It's not a V8
>More Power than my 2.6       It's not a V8
>More power than a diseil          It's not a V8
>I can get one cheap I think  It's not a V8

You've forgotten the other pro item - "It's not a V8"

Dunno.  For ease of maintenance I'd have a six anyday over a V8
and a diesel even sooner (petrol cost too much Down Under).
Anyway who said a Rover V8 was reliable - or are you thinking
of using a small bock Chev motor?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
4.8L '87 RR

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Joy of Six etc
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 17:03:00 EST

WJMcD@aol.com wrote:
>Replace the 2.6 with a de-stroked 3.0. Slips right in. No fuss. No muss.

>Pros                    Cons

>Easy Installation            Dependability?
>I've plenty of Spares        It's not a V8
>More Power than my 2.6       It's not a V8
>More power than a diseil          It's not a V8
>I can get one cheap I think  It's not a V8

You've forgotten the other pro item - "It's not a V8"

Dunno.  For ease of maintenance I'd have a six anyday over a V8
and a diesel even sooner (petrol cost too much Down Under).
Anyway who said a Rover V8 was reliable - or are you thinking
of using a small bock Chev motor?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
4.8L '87 RR

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Wiper Motor--WANTED
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 17:03:00 EST

From: "Keith W. Cooper"  wrote
>Does anyone have a Lucas wiper motor (the single speed type thats on the
>early IIa's) that they would part with for a decent price?  Yesterday, I

>Rover's North sells some used ones at about $295 (a little steep for me).

Keith,  pretty standard item on old British cars.  You should be able to 
source
one from one of the British car wreckers or car clubs fairly easily.  I 
haven't
seen the LR one but I assume it is the type that drives a rack which moves 
the
wiper arms.  If so, the same type was used on early Jaguars and other cars.
I recall rebuilding my old Mark VII Jag unit.  Again if I recall corrrectly 
(I am
going back 27 years here), the motor used a third brush for the high speed
operation.  So it should run as a single speed unit with this disconnected.

Try Humbers or Jags or any Morris/Austin/MG etc.  Forget Vauxhall, they
used AC-Delco stuff.  Forget Ford, they used vacuum wipers.

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:45:43 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Joy of Six etc

Beckett, Ron wrote:
> WJMcD@aol.com wrote:
> >Replace the 2.6 with a de-stroked 3.0. Slips right in. No fuss. No muss.
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> Ron Beckett
> 4.8L '87 RR

Guys,

In this entire debate nobody has mentioned the (IMHO) most successful
conversion option yet (well known in SA) for a 6 cylinder (esp with the
firewall)... the Chevy 4.1 litre straight 6. My neighbour has one in one
of his series vehicles and its awesome.

It developes max torque at 2500 rpm and with stRange Rover diffs (3rd
gear ratio of 1:1) gives a whole extra gear without losing the stump
pulling torque. My neighbour cruises a 140 km/h on the highways at 18
litres/100 km consumption. The S11a (the strongest gearbox ever built by
LR) or S111 box is plenty strong enough for the engine.

Regards

Paul (2.6 looking for a Chev 4.1 myself) Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: 2.25, 2.25, 2.5
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:34:33 +0100 (MET)

John writes:
| I don't trust belts as much 
| as chains or gears, so there's another reason to avoid the turbo's (aren't 
| the 2.5's chain?).
No, it isn't. The 2.5D and 2.5TD are basically the same engine. Both
have belts. But you can always get a set timing gears.
My 2.5D gets away with 9km/l.
Cheers,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Nate's fund raiser
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:36:45 +0100 (MET)

have a pair of head lights (non H4) left.
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:18:13 -0800
From: Jon Callas <jon@worldbenders.com>
Subject: Re: A Young Fart

   << Incidentally, I am presently 444 times as old as my D90SW. That's a nice
    number. Fellow mathematicians, when told that I am a prime number of years
    old (and old enough to vote), can deduce how old my Defender is.
     >>

   One month, nice! (is it a 97?)

   Nate
   NADdMD@aol.com

Yes, it's a '97. I like it. It's the first vehicle I've owned that has
automatic transmission, and that is interesting. I've only slammed it into
park when I should have put it in first once. It seems to be put together
well. My only complaints have been about small amounts of rust on the steel
flashing. I've gone after those with a small brush and Rustoleum rust
bonder.

	Jon

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Unsubscribing
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:18:40 +-100

Hello All!

I will not be on the lists for the next one and a half week, 
direct e-mail will be in my box until I return from skiing 
in Norway. 

Happy Rovering 

Bent

_____________________________________

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
 86" softtop, 2 litre, 1955

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From: Rory <u01rpfc@abdn.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Purchasing a Land Rover
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:08:34 +0000 (GMT)

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:45:58 -0800 (PST) "Christopher R. Sosnay"
<sosn7667@uwwvax.uww.edu> wrote:

>
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>
>         I am a college student who has thought a lot about buying a Serie=
s
> IIA or III.
> Thanks and Sincerely,
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> Amelia Erhart
>

I am a college student who has bought a S III. Yes it is possible on a stud=
ent type of budget. There
are some little considerations that make life easier. It is very hard to ru=
n extention cables for
power tools and inspection lamps out of a fourth floor flat window, like-wi=
se hosepipes for flushing
radiators, washing it (possibly) etc.  Another point is that college porter=
s and cleaners may not
take too kindly to finding transfer boxes, engine blocks, or diffs. in a st=
ate of dissasembly on
your room floor. The best way to avoid these problems is to make sure that =
your service intervals
co-incide with trips home. The other important thing is to work for 18 hour=
s a day, 8 days a week
through out the summer vacation to ensure that you can still afford to run =
the beast for the rest of
the year. Just make sure that you don't pick a lemon. It is the things like=
 tyres which can trap the
unwary. An overlooked =A3200 at MOT time can leave a large whole in the stu=
dent budget.

On the brighter side they are usefull for haulling lots of kit too and from=
 college, and when this
is not your own, it can pay for the trip home, and when it comes to post ex=
am party time there is
nothing better than cruising round in a Rover with the top doors and screen=
 folded down. Pretty good
for haulling large carry outs home from the off-licence (Liquer store) too.

Good Luck
Frosty.

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Date: Thu,  6 Feb 97 11:29:29 PST
From: James Breach <jbreach@ds5200.gradyn.co.uk>
Subject: Diesel compressions

Does anyone know what the compressions on a 2 1/4 
diesel should be.  
I've just had them checked and they are all at 280 (psi- I guess)
It still runs to 65-68mph top whack which seems to
be good for a swb station waggon.
 The reason I had it checked was it wasn't starting
well but that seems to be due to a glow plug having gone short
circuit.
Anyone got any ideas about the engine?  I don't want to get it 
reconed because it seems to go OK but...
Thanks
James
P.S does anyone know the difference betwwen pipe and
tube?  I'd like to know to solve some discussion here..

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 06:53:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Diesel compressions

Difference between pipe and tube?

Hmmm....never thought about that one. I'd personally chalk it up to wall
thickness and flexibility, with the pipe being the thick, inflexible one.

I've heard pipe used almost exclusively with Rovers - a Britishism, I
thought, because 'most everything the manual calls a pipe I'd call a tube
or line.

Brake pipes being an example....

               ajr

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