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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Warn Winch Maintenance
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 23:51:00 EST

As there were no replies to my previous post about Warn winch maintenance, I 
rang ARB who import the Warn winch.  They advised using a moly disulphide 
grease - you know the dark grey stuff that sticks like sh*t to a blanket.  I 
cleaned the winch up and reassembled it.  All's well.  I used Castrol LMM 
for most of the job i.e., around the planetary gears etc but on the sliding 
gear which forms the freewheel, I used a very light grease (BP Energrease) 
to make it easy to move with the rotating freewheel/engage cam.

I also pulled the motor end and checked it.  All OK there, no water had got 
in that end so I just cleaned and resealed it.

Now, what is the capacity of  the winch?  The only info on the winch itself 
is:

On the motor:  In the nameplate field labelled "M"  the code MRV-B-7; in the 
field labelled "N"  the code 16543 and in the field labelled "S" the code 
7-84  (a build date?).

On the gearbox end, a plate with the code P.N. 16664

Does this mean anything to anyone?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
'83 RR 3.5L manual (for sale)
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:33:06 -0400
Subject: RE: Warn Winch Maintenance

Warn winch:

Can you describe the beast in more detail? If it's the type with the motor
above the drum (stacked unit), then it's about 8000 Lb. capacity. I know -
I own its grandfather, made by Bellview in the US.

If it's the horizontal type, dunno - maybe someone else can help.

                    Cheers, ajr

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 8:44:00 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Milling Aluminum?

What's all this broo-ha-ha about milling adaptor plates out of aluminum. 
Jeez, go to the hardware store and get a straight cut carbide bit for 
your router. Scribe the pattern on the surface of the plate and go at it. 
Of course, wear goggles and hearing protection. For a perfect circle, 
attach a strip of metal that is roughly the radius of the circle to your 
router base and run another screw into the other end and into the center 
point . Now you have a jig that will guide the router in a circle. It may 
be best to make a couple of passes,each time lowering the bit until you 
are through. Of course, the aluminum plate is firmly  bolted to a scrap 
of 3/4" ply.  You may also want to get a chamfer bit with a guide bearing 
to stress-relieve the edges, or file it all by hand.
No router? A jig saw will do the same. Use a fairly course blade, like 10 
tpi, as if you were cutting wood, only don't bolt a backing board to the 
plate.
No, neither method is fast.
You have just saved $600.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 08:47:12 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Warn Winch Maintenance

As there were no replies to my previous post about Warn winch maintenance, I 
rang ARB who import the Warn winch.

          I though WARN was a US company????
                                            
Now, what is the capacity of  the winch?  The only info on the winch itself 
is:                                         ...snip...

Does this mean anything to anyone?

Probably would to the folks at WARN...1 800-543-WARN Ive
          gotten lots of great infomation from a guy
          named Ron Hoffman. Isn't WARN made in the US?

Cheers and Happy New Year

           DaveB

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 8:58:32 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: McNamara Diffs?

Instead of re-engineering your entire drivetrain, why not try some simple 
fixes first.
1. Air pressure:
Yesterday's outing in the muck proved that lowering the pressure to 15-20 
psi. makes a BIG difference in performance off-road.
2. Tire tread choice: 
Depending on the terrain, you may wish to try a more aggressive tread 
that the stock BFG AT T/A tires. There is a whole world of options for 
off-road tires.
3. Bumper weights:
In the form of ex-machina passengers hopping up and down on the end of 
the truck.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:27:47 -0500
Subject: Re: McNamara Diffs?

badams@usia.gov,Internet writes:
>Instead of re-engineering your entire drivetrain, why not try some
>simple 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>In the form of ex-machina passengers hopping up and down on the end of 
>the truck.

It's not that simple.  If you have problems with breaking diffs because
of heavy off-roading or large tires, you're just looking for
reliability, not ability.  You must have diffs to support your other
choices.  Lower gearing is a MUST with larger tires and stronger diffs
can be found in almost any other comparable four-by.  Land Rover's
stock diffs are simply archaic.

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:29:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Warn Winch Maintenance

dbobeck@ushmm.org,Internet writes:
>As there were no replies to my previous post about Warn winch
>maintenance, I 
>rang ARB who import the Warn winch.

>          I though WARN was a US company????

Funny, I kinda thought it was a German company with a big US presense. 
Maybe I'mm off base too.

>Now, what is the capacity of  the winch?  The only info on the winch
>itself 
>is:                                         ...snip...

>Does this mean anything to anyone?

>Probably would to the folks at WARN...1 800-543-WARN Ive
>          gotten lots of great infomation from a guy
>          named Ron Hoffman. Isn't WARN made in the US?

Ron Beckett is in Australia, it'd be an expensive call.  <GRIN>

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:00:43 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Engine adapters 

>David Place[SMTP:dplace@mb.sympatico.ca]
>I am about to embark on a project to make an engine adapter.  I was going
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>my supplyer for $600!!!!for a piece 24" square.  How does a place like
>Scotty's get anything out for about $300 complete.

        Scotty units are cast in numbers, that is how they save. We try and
use the Scotty unit when we can, but the delievry times are sometimes many
months. So we make our own. Any good machine shop can make one, just
depends if they want to. Our Chevy 6 adaptors are made out of steel and
even being custom made one at a time cost about 350. You just have to know
all the dimensions, of pressure plates, input shafts, pilot bushings etc.
If you have all the info. you can get one made. We have done Ford FE block
V8 to Series box, Ford in line 6's, Chevy in line 6's, Toyota 22R 4's, etc.
If you have all the pieces, and are a skilled mechanic it is easy to do.

>If You have a production where You can use the piece that is cut out in the
>middle, You only calculate the price of the aluminium that is delivered to the
>customer, plus labor, plus overhead.

        Milling in Al would be just about the most expensive route to go.
If you are only going to build one, forget casting, and Al machining,
unless you have the tools, or a relative in the business.:-)
        Good luck!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 08:06:59 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

Bill Adams commented;

>Instead of re-engineering your entire drivetrain, why not try some simple
>fixes first.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>3. Bumper weights:
>In the form of ex-machina passengers hopping up and down on the end of
>the truck.

        This is all good advice but there are places where an unlocked
vehicle aint' gonna go - unless it's on a winch cable. The next decision is
whether you want to go those places or not. Driving skill and articlulation
makes up for a lot but a locker not only gives you more off-road options
(and a margin of safety for those times of brain flatulence), it actually
strengthens the differential. It's your money!

Jim Allen

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 09:58:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: Warn Winch Maintenance

> >>       I though WARN was a US company????
Funny, I kinda thought it was a German company with a big US presense. 
Maybe I'mm off base too.

 You may be right...i never looked at the "Made In" label...

>>n Beckett is in Australia, it'd be an expensive call.  <GRIN>

Not THAT bad, Im sure it wouldn't take very long to answer
          his question...

    Or I could call for 'im...

                         later
          DaveB.

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:26:03 -0500
Subject: Re: McNamara Diffs?

badams@usia.gov,Internet writes:
>Hmmm, guess you have as much cash to throw at the problem as our
>intrepid 
>D90 owner.

Nope.  That's why my 90 sits with a broken rear diff.  I tried to get
away with some mods without the diff strengthening to go with 'em. 
Thus, I speak from experience.

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 10:32:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: New Years Day Crime Report (longish)

The Crime: New Years Day Off-Road "Challenge", Bowie Marlyand.
The Suspects:
 Rick Valentino  14 month old Disco with Deer Damage
 Bill Adams  '66 SIIa 109 Diesel Staion Wagon
 Pete Daniels '71 IIa 88"
 Dave Bobeck '72 SIII 88"
Also present, but Roverless, were Dan Rao of Washington DC, and David Russel
of Maryland, as well as our beloved Spenny, who's Rover is permantly banned
from off-road travel (and on-road too, it seems). We met up at Bill's place
and left for Bowie at around 10:30. Arrived at Bowie to find much more mud
than usual. I aired down, and some others already had. Got to the first
ascent, and everybody made it up without too much problem, 'cept for the Disco
with its street tires and 34 psi. A quick reduction to 20 psi allowed him to
make the climb successfully.  I managed to be the first one stuck, as well as
the second, then the third...  The winch came in handy again and again as I
got hopelessly bogged down up my diffs over and over...  It was slow going as
the Disco couldn't get through often, mostly due to the tires I guess, but
there was one section where Pete took the wheel and went right up where Rick
hadn't been able to make it.  Damage to vehicles was nil, cept for a cracked
piece of plastic on the only vehicle that had any plastic on it...

  After several recoveries and lots of slogging and tromping around in the
mud, we decided to call it a day. The last descent was a steep one, and was
quickly followed by an ascent of about the same angle. I was the first up,
followed by Pete and then the Disco, which did really well and made it up on
the first or second try, (surprising considering it performed less well on
some less difficult slopes) and then last to come out was Bill, whose 2.25
diesel just couldn't get up the revs to make it up the now somewhat slippery
slope. He tried again and again, getting lots of practice going backwards, and
then decide dto skirt the issue and go around. I watched in amazement as the
entire right side of the 109 was engulfed in mud and water. It was an "instant
stuck", the kind that just reaches out and grabs you like a fly in one of
those sticky traps. We used the winch first to drag him out of the mud and
then up the hill, with my 88 tied off to a tree. He was able to finish the
climb after getting past the initial muddy part.

We were finally on our way home, Rick and I waiting out by the road,
when Bill comes a-walking...guess what?? I drove around and rescued both him
AND Pete. Extracting Pete's 88 was interesting, we had to use both Bill's 109
and my 88 as an anchor to keep the winch moving the right vehicle.

All in all it was fun for everybody, and I think everybody learned
something as well. I hope to be able to do something like this again and
continue to get people together and meet other local folks, so if you're in
the MD/DC/VA area, drop me a line at dbobeck@ushmm.org...

Spencer took slides, so anybody have a projector? We can watch the slideshow
and sip single malts...
Also Im pretty sure Bill got some video footage...

Later!
DaveB.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:40:34 -0500
Subject: Fwd: 1 bbl. carbs: Holley vs. Zenith

Repost - i dont think it made it previously - a thousand pardons I beg if it
did.
---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    1 bbl. carbs: Holley vs. Zenith
Date:    96-12-31 10:36:15 EST
From:    AKBLACKLEY

For what it worht heres my experiences on the subject. The some long
forgotten PO had installed a 1 bbl. Holley on my old SIIA. It ran well enough
on the street, but off road it puked fuel out of every hole. More
specifically, the old 1 bbl. Holley (pre emissions) had a vent hole in the
top of float chamber. The one nice feature of this carb was a glass float
bowl cover, so you could tell at a glance the state of the float level. But
on rough roads the float bounced around some much that it ran badly
(alternate flooding and starving), and the fuel drenched the carb and
manifold by leaking from the vent. On a steep trail I shudder to think what
could have happened. Not a good setup IMHO.
I replaced this with a Zenith - an old, original equip. carb, not a new one.
The cache of parts which came with that truck (now long gone) included
several Zenith factory rebuild kits. These were really great kits - every
gasket, jet, needle, seat , throttle shaft, butterfly screws, etc. included.
I wish I had also bought a new float, at the same time, as the old one soon
failed.
 The major prob. with these old ones is that the throttle shaft wears out the
carb body, resulting in a bad air leak, which when one attempts to enrichen
the idle circuit ot compensate enrichens the entire running, resulting in
poor economy to say the least. My solution was to have the carb body line
bored and bronze bushings installed. These were reamed to fit the new
throttle shaft. A permanaent fix to that problem. I admit by the time I was
done I could have bought a new carb, but from recent postings about the new
Zeniths maybe I was better off! The only other problem I had with it was that
I tore the big carb body O ring when installing the new float, which caused
it mysteriously flood the engine when heat soaked. After a new O ring that no
problems whatsoever . My engine was fresh, 40 thou. over, with new stellite
valve etc. and with this carb it ran very strong. Cheers to all and a Happy
New Year. Andy Blackley

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:39:20 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Hey, Don't go there, man...

Let's say that going backwards down a 30 degree slope that is covered 
with slick ooze in a 4500 pound truck really gets you to thinking. I was 
given many opportuities to try this task and have concluded the 
following:
First, don't follow Bobeck.
Second, as the tires lose traction and the truck begins to dig in, it is 
best to apply the tranny brake and stop. At this point, you can shift 
into reverse gear, collect your thoughts, say your prayers and back down 
from whence you came. Do not try to go anywhere but in your ruts as the 
truck would dearly love to swap ends on you. Use brakes very lightly.
Success climbing this hill was achieved by the prudent use of a winch. 

It was muddy and loose everywhere; a result of the wettest december in 
many years. The Rovers proved themselves again, impressing the local quad 
drivers with their insane off-camber ability. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "John D. Putnam" <jdputnam@whpacific.com>
Subject: RE: Re[4]: Warn Winch Maintenance
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 09:24:14 -0800
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Warn is out of Portland Oregon.

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From: 	Bobeck, David R.
Sent: 	Thursday, January 02, 1997 6:58 AM
Subject: 	Re[4]: Warn Winch Maintenance

> >>       I though WARN was a US company????
Funny, I kinda thought it was a German company with a big US presense. 
Maybe I'mm off base too.

 You may be right...i never looked at the "Made In" label...

>>n Beckett is in Australia, it'd be an expensive call.  <GRIN>
Not THAT bad, Im sure it wouldn't take very long to answer
          his question...

    Or I could call for 'im...

                         later
          DaveB.

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 19:06:27 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

I've been following the thread on lockers with interest, but I have a
few questions, the answers to which may also be of interest to other,
similarly unlockered LRO's.

Under which conditions is a locker advantageous to the
vehicle/driver/driving/handling?

Does one fit lockers on both/either/or front/back axles?

If lockers give so much, why aren't they standard on Land Rovers?

what does a typicsl locker set cost per axle?

what locker types/options are available?

thanks, and happy new year to all, lockered or not!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 10:12:08 -0800 (PST)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)
Subject: John KB9CML - HF net sounds great

John, I'd really like to see a Rover Net on HF set up.  It may be a little
rough for me until spring to get a good signal out, though.  I'm presently
using a Butternut HF6V sans radials...the winter snows caught me before I
could make any.  I will also be putting up a Mosley Pro-57 on a 44 foot
tower once the weather breaks and I get some very large ponderosa pines cut
down in my back yard.

I am very interested in getting my TS-50S up and running in Ms Daisy.  Would
like to hear what others are using for radios, and especially, antennas for
mobile work.  I will be taking a two-week vacation in the mountains of SW
Montana this summer (first two weeks in August) and want to be mobile by then.

best 73 in this endeavor!

Dale
-----
Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy - 1973 SIII 88" Land Rover (#25902747 B) 
     "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

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From: "Rick Larson" <rlarson@vineyard.mti.sgi.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:56:46 -0800
Subject: Re: McNamara Diffs?

On Jan 2,  8:58am, Adams, Bill wrote:
> Subject: Re: McNamara Diffs?
> Instead of re-engineering your entire drivetrain, why not try some simple
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Yesterday's outing in the muck proved that lowering the pressure to 15-20
> psi. makes a BIG difference in performance off-road.

Do that.

> 2. Tire tread choice:
> Depending on the terrain, you may wish to try a more aggressive tread
> that the stock BFG AT T/A tires. There is a whole world of options for
> off-road tires.

I'm running mud terrains.

> 3. Bumper weights:
> In the form of ex-machina passengers hopping up and down on the end of
> the truck.
> off-road tires.

One can also rebuild the road.  (move rocks, cut trees, etc)

> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
>-- End of excerpt from Adams, Bill

Jim Allen's reply was right on the mark.  You can always push/pull/highlift
jack your way through.   You end up turning a 1 hour trail section into a 7
hour adventure though.  Lockers really work and IMHO are much safer
than winching, jumping up and down on bumpers, stacking rocks under
tires etc.  So do big tires/lifts. I've decided to go with bigger tires and
lockers so the rest of the D90 and myself will generally be less stressed on
the trails I like to do.  The lockers are already there and I wouldn't
drive without them.   There have been numerous times on the
trail, where I've had to drive thought an obstacle, turn around and than
winch the the non-locker equipped vehicles in the group through.  Oh,
they almost always get a shot a trying the the bumper weight, rock pile
method first.  It often doesn't help.  Yeah, I'm in for re-engineering
drivetrain with a lift .  I actually enjoy doing it.  I've been a professional
engineer (EE, microprocessors) for about 9 years now.  Part of engineering
is gathering information.  My post was a request for information on
drivetrain upgrades.  Bill, I'm sure you mean well, I often tell people
to avoid certain "upgrades" to their LR's, but I really wasn't requesting
a lesson in off-road driving.   Given my poor technique, I decided I better
rely on my equipement to get me through a long time ago. :)

-Rick

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:03:09 +0000
From: "East Coast Rover Co." <ecrover@midcoast.com>
Subject: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

Dear All,
        Very quickly...as I know some people get upset with this, but
others want it so...I am posting this for a client of ours who has gone
to
coil and wants to sell his frame.
        For Sale: NADA 109 Station Wagon chassis, complete axles *no
diffs*, springs, shocks, gaiters, brakes, etc. 100% rust free, never
patched, original paint, 42,000 miles on gear, new springs and shocks.
Best
offer, located in Maine and ready to go, email direct.
        Happy New Year!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:58:35 +0000
From: "East Coast Rover Co." <ecrover@midcoast.com>
Subject: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

Dear All,
        Very quickly...as I know some people get upset with this, but
others want it so...I am posting this for a client of ours who has gone to
coil and wants to sell his frame.
        For Sale: NADA 109 Station Wagon chassis, complete axles *no
diffs*, springs, shocks, gaiters, brakes, etc. 100% rust free, never
patched, original paint, 42,000 miles on gear, new springs and shocks. Best
offer, located in Maine and ready to go, email direct.
        Happy New Year!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:02:10 +0000
From: "East Coast Rover Co." <ecrover@midcoast.com>
Subject: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

Dear All,
        Very quickly...as I know some people get upset with this, but
others want it so...I am posting this for a client of ours who has gone
to
coil and wants to sell his frame.
        For Sale: NADA 109 Station Wagon chassis, complete axles *no
diffs*, springs, shocks, gaiters, brakes, etc. 100% rust free, never
patched, original paint, 42,000 miles on gear, new springs and shocks.
Best
offer, located in Maine and ready to go, email direct.
        Happy New Year!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 10:28:07 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: 88 pu questions, disco accident

Hi,

I have a series 2 swb pickup.  it currently has no place to carry a spare
except in the bed, LOOSE.

What original LR options would have been available for spare tire location.
I am aware of upright in the bed, below the rear window and upright on the
rear wheel box. oops, and bonnet mounted. Any others?  Would a spare be
mounted on the right or left hand of the rear wheel boxes?

What do people do about the lake that forms in the rear bed during and
after a rain storm?  Stubby (the rover) is water tight!  The water
generally leaves during driving but I'm thinking about drilling a drain
hole.

Disco accident:
Who posted the note about rolling a disco side to side and end for end with
only a scratch or two on the driver?  I'd like you to email me please.

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
                                  1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:42:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, East Coast Rover Co. wrote:

>         Very quickly...as I know some people get upset with this, but

	Copy number three here...  This frame is cursed...

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 15:12:13 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: "Mulva"???

this psot was completely ignored by all of you so im making
          you read it again. ha.
          Dave

    >>Glad to be part of the Digest,   H. Rutherford  62 Ser IIA   "Mulva"  
                                                                    ^^^^^  

...Been watching Seinfeld??
this was Jerry's guess at the name of a woman he'd been dating...she said her 
name rhymed with a part of the female anatomy...turned out to be Delores.

Just thought you'd like to know.

BTW, doesn't Jerry drive a LR?

Dave B.

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:34:29 +0000
From: Steve_Reddock <steve@lightweight.demon.co.uk>
Subject: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

Mike, sorry about that.

The three extra postings of you chassis for sale posting were forgeries
by me.

I was really funny at the time, honest!

You will never live down the first instance of the never ending chassis
for sale posting!

Keep smiling, Steve

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:54:21 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re[2]: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

At 07:34 PM 1/2/97 +0000, Steve_Reddock <steve@lightweight.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:
:Mike, sorry about that.
:The three extra postings of you chassis for sale posting were forgeries
:by me.
:I was really funny at the time, honest!
:You will never live down the first instance of the never ending chassis
:for sale posting!
:Keep smiling, Steve

 Are you the same clown that intermittendly has been double posting other
 messages to the LRO list in the past month??  Are you also responsible
 for redundant cross-postings to the LRO/RRO/and Mendo Land Rover lists???
 We wasted quite some time investigating fault in our PC systems and the
 mail servers!!

 Funny you say?  Funny is having you OFF this list!

                             Now I'm smiling :)
                       ______  /
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900          [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Heater Intake
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 13:48:39 PST

Hi,

Well, after my heater air intake kept clogging with snow, I decided to take it
apart this weekend and look into how it works. I unscrewed the black plastic
grill on the right fender, the first thing I saw was that the drain plug at
the bottom of the air duct was clogged with leaved and debris. There was 2 
inches of water , actually going into the squirlle cage fan! This explained 
why my windows instantly fogg up when I turn on the heat! It was acting just 
like a humidifyer.

I cleaned it out and am trying to figure out how to make a snorkel or plastic
diverter to divert air intake from straight up to side intake. I don't want
to redirect it to take air from the engine compartment, my theory is that this
could be dangerous with possible carbon monoxide fumes getting sucked into the
passenger compartment (Am I right here?, or is my concern unfounded??)

1994 Defender-90
Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
San Jose California

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Warn Winch Maintenance
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 09:01:00 EST

Just to clarify my previous post (changes in caps):

I used Castrol LMM for most of the job i.e., around the planetary gears
etc but on the OUTSIDE OF THE sliding gear (AND CORRESPONDING
FACE OF  THE INSIDE OF THE GEARBOX ENDCOVER) which forms
the freewheel, I used a very light grease (BP Energrease) to make it easy
to move with the rotating freewheel/engage cam.

Hope that makes sense.

Ron Beckett
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see 
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:07:22 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Glad it wasn't me!!

>The three extra postings of you chassis for sale posting were forgeries
>by me.
>Keep smiling, Steve

 You had me going into a panic!!!:-) I knew I only sent it once, thank
goodness it wasn't really from me, I can imagine the fallout if that
chassis popped up another 20 times or so!!
See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:48:31 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Rovering Hams

MOKE67@aol.com wrote:
> Alan I think a national calling chan. for rover-hams is a good idea. 146.88
> is a repeater output  in some areas, and I agree, 109.88 is a real no-no.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> 91 Range Rover
> "Never lick a gifted horse in the mouth"

Unless things have changed, the international calling freq, on 2 meters 
is 146.52 simplex.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:33:44 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine adapters 

East Coast Rover Co. wrote:
> >David Place[SMTP:dplace@mb.sympatico.ca]
> >I am about to embark on a project to make an engine adapter.  I was going
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
>     Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
>         Series Coil Chassis Specialists

Thanks for the info Mike.  The machine shop is not a problem as my son is 
a machinest apprentice and really I was looking for a project for he and 
I to spend some time together.  We are both car nuts and we thought this 
would be a good investment even if we didn't put the engine in for a 
year.  I have a lead on some old Rovers even a Ser I with shovel seats so 
I certainly can find a rolling chassis to do the experiment on.  I am 
more than half thinking of selling my total rebuilt one and starting over 
since I love the mechanic work more than the driving now days.  Dave 
VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:27:24 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: John KB9CML - HF net sounds great

Dale W. Avery wrote:
> John, I'd really like to see a Rover Net on HF set up.  It may be a little
> rough for me until spring to get a good signal out, though.  I'm presently
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy - 1973 SIII 88" Land Rover (#25902747 B)
>      "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

Hi Dale.  Just before the winter I was running a TS520 with a Hustler 
mobile antenna on the Rover.  It worked well.  It was nice because with 
the built in pwr supply, you could use it for field day or emergency off 
the generator or go all 12 Volt and run it off the battery.  I also had a 
pop up air mast for 40 feet.  I sold it but it is likely too expensive 
for anyone else to consider.  I bought it surplus and I believe it was 
something like $5000 new.  It sure was nice however.  You could put it up 
with one of those air inflating compressors and it nested to about 8 
feet.  It was all aluminum and very light. I have use this rig around the 
world on Red Cross trips as well as my 2 meter rig.  Nice with the handle 
and built in supply  Since it is old technology, you can find them for 
$450 Canadian quite often and they have lots of accessories available 
like extra VFO, speaker and phone patch consol etc. Still would take my 
old Collins however :-) Dave VE4PN

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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:44:46 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Milling Aluminum?

Adams, Bill wrote:
> What's all this broo-ha-ha about milling adaptor plates out of aluminum.
> Jeez, go to the hardware store and get a straight cut carbide bit for
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

Well the problem isn't how to cut it but how to cut it price wise :-)  
Siz hundred for a piece 2 1/2 thick and 24" square is a bit much.  By the 
way you would plug a router bit or blade in a short time unless you use 
the liquid made to release the swarf.  It works like a charm for bits or 
blades.  Dave VE4PN

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:40:08 -0500
Subject: Re: "Mulva"???

I'm afraid the wire for the cable TV isn't long enough reach under the Rover
while it's in the driveway, and Flo won't let me bring it into the house, so
no TV for me. :-(  
Did I miss something funny?
Quintin

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:18:51 -0500
Subject: Swap meets in England this Spring ?

I wondered if any of our English netizens could tell me when the Land Rover
swap meets are in England this spring ? I or Dave Stauffer might be going
over and It would be nice to plan ahead for once :-)
Tia. Quintin Aspin

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:29:23 -0500
Subject: News ?

 Decembers issue of Automotive Industries reveals that in 1998 the all new
CB 40 will be released, known as the Heartland  The Disco will be redesigned
and the RR facelifted.  In 2001 the RR will be redesigned.
 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Warn Winch Maintenance
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 11:11:00 EST

Question;

Is anyone else getting mail back with humungous amounts of header 
information as shown in the attached message.  Or is is only me?  It only 
occurs on my own messages which the List sends back to me.  What worries me 
is that all of you might be getting this stuff and getting pretty sick of it 
(and me!)

Regards,

Ron

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Subject: RE: Warn Winch Maintenance
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Just to clarify my previous post (changes in caps):

I used Castrol LMM for most of the job i.e., around the planetary gears
etc but on the OUTSIDE OF THE sliding gear (AND CORRESPONDING
FACE OF  THE INSIDE OF THE GEARBOX ENDCOVER) which forms
the freewheel, I used a very light grease (BP Energrease) to make it easy
to move with the rotating freewheel/engage cam.

Hope that makes sense.

Ron Beckett
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:25:28 -0800
From: Simon Barclay <sbarcla@ibm.net>
Subject: I'm back...(again)

Happy New Year to you all...

Well I'm back on the list after about ten months away and its good to
see that not much has changed.  Same old names (some new ones) and
familiar subjects.

My family of Land Rovers has grown somewhat in my absence, so here is a
little update.

I still have the 1951 Series 1 80" (under restoration) and the 1990 3.9l
5 spd Range Rover.  In addition I now have a 1952 Series 1 80" waiting
restoration (and quite a few parts) and a brand new 130 Defender (ex
Calvert Expedition vehicle - No. 15 for those that have read the
articles).

Restoration is taking a bit of a back seat at the moment as I am in the
middle of moving from the salubrious eastern suburbs of Sydney to a 10
acer block in the bush.

I am still trying to find the correct colour code for Deep Bronze
Green.  I noted recently on the digest that Herberts 0428 and ICI P030
2651 were mentioned again, these just don't seem to be available in
Australia - or at least I can't find them.  I had some paint mixed from
a code (a sequence of codes really) I was given which was supposed to
have been Deep Bronze Green - but it appears it is Light Bronze Green! 
Any ideas??

Good to be back..  (Note new e-mail addr)

Simon Barclay
sbarcla@IBM.NET
Sydney 
Australia

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From: "John D. Putnam" <jdputnam@whpacific.com>
Subject: RE: Lockers or No Lockers?
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:58:40 -0800
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From: 	Adrian Redmond
Sent: 	Thursday, January 02, 1997 7:06 PM
Subject: 	Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

I've been following the thread on lockers with interest, but I have a
few questions, the answers to which may also be of interest to other,
similarly unlockered LRO's.

Under which conditions is a locker advantageous to the
vehicle/driver/driving/handling?
When you're on flat ground in young grass and you cant move because one wheel on each axle is spinning freely.

Does one fit lockers on both/either/or front/back axles?
one locker per axle.

If lockers give so much, why aren't they standard on Land Rovers?
Why are they not standard on any vehicle?

what does a typicsl locker set cost per axle?
I just paid $640 for one axle and $200 for the air pump that runs both front and rear locker.

what locker types/options are available?
I bought a ARB, but there are plethora of them out there.

thanks, and happy new year to all, lockered or not!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:54:15 -0500
Subject: Re: New Years Day Crime Report (longish)

INNOCENT, ~~~~ I`M INNOCENT I TELL YOU !!!!!!!!!
I wanted to thank everyone for the help yesterday , it was fantastic .
Once I got comfortable with the Disco it was alot of fun , street tires and
all. 
thanks again to everybody and  I can`t wait to do it again. 
                                                             Happy Trails, 

                                                                         Rick

Not yet "practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
Dealer Warranty still in effect
96 Disco  "Bambi Killer"

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:03:25 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

Adrian Redomon posed the following Questions;

1) Under which conditions is a locker advantageous to the
>vehicle/driver/driving/handling?

In low traction situations mainly, such as mud, steep climbs, certain types
of rocks, etc. They do not, in fact, add anything to the handling
characteristics. They actually tend to make the vehicle handle somewhat
unpredictably at high speed. This is why an on-demand locker like the ARB
or the Jac Mac vacuum locker is superior to the "hard" limited slip
(meaning the amount it slips is extremely limited - almost nil). You can
turn it full on and then shut it all the way off for normal differential
operation. A rear locker can be a cost effective addition to the traction
arsenal but you must gauge the type of four-wheeling you do against the
cost. Or if you'd rather dig, winch or be dragged around - be happy.
        A locker is beginning to be considered a environmentally friendly
tool as well. A "locked-up" vehicle spins its tires less and thus chews the
trail up less because it has more traction. On some trails, the spinning of
tires and the resultant ruts, erosion and holes have caused them to be
closed.

2) Does one fit lockers on both/either/or front/back axles?

You can install on-demand locker at either end, keeping in mind that the
front locker will be used very seldom (unless you're a real gonzo
'wheeler). A hard limited slip up front is a pain in the rectum because if
it locks up, you are practically unable to turn. Full-time 4WD rigs with
hard limited slips at eithr or both ends can be a handfull and these are
not recommended if any street driving is planned.
(meaning the amount it slips is extremely limited - almost nil). You can
3) If lockers give so much, why aren't they standard on Land Rovers?

A) Cranial rectitis! B) They didn't understand them until recently and
really didn't think they were needed. Land Rover offered a limited slip
diff in the early '60s and it was a poorly designed piece of junk. Toyota,
Mitsubishi, Jeep, Chevrolet, Dodge, and others, all offer an on-demand
locker or a limited slip. Land Rover is behind the curve on this issue but
look for a locker to be approved as an accessory before too long.
(meaning the amount it slips is extremely limited - almost nil). You can
4)what does a typicsl locker set cost per axle?
The variation in price is extreme and I don't have all the current prices.
Limited slips: Lock-Rite - about $400, Quaffe - about $1000 On-Demand
lockers - ARB about $600 per axle plus the air compressor, Jac MAc vacuum -
?, KAM ?.
(meaning the amount it slips is extremely limited - almost nil). You can
5) what locker types/options are available?
A) Limited slips, that sense wheelspin and lock both axles together, or at
least limit slippage, via gears or clutch packs. B) On-Demand that fully
lock at the push of a button and then unlock at another push of the button.
They can be actuated electrically (Lock-Rite Maganetic Locker, due out
soon< and some Japanese factory lockers) or via vacuum (Jac Mac) or low
pressure compressed air (ARB). Ther used to be the Atlas locker that used a
cable. Mercedes has a hydraulically actuated locker on the G-Wagon.

Jim Allen

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From: "Rick Larson" <rlarson@vineyard.mti.sgi.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:09:03 -0800
Subject: Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

> Subject: 	Re: Lockers or No Lockers?

> I've been following the thread on lockers with interest, but I have a
> few questions, the answers to which may also be of interest to other,
> similarly unlockered LRO's.

For general background on differentials and lockers see:

http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/A/Diff.locks.html

> Under which conditions is a locker advantageous to the
> vehicle/driver/driving/handling?
> When you're on flat ground in young grass and you cant move because one wheel

on each axle is spinning freely.
> Under which conditions is a locker advantageous to the

Anytime one front and one rear wheel don't have traction.

> Does one fit lockers on both/either/or front/back axles?
> one locker per axle.
> When you're on flat ground in young grass and you cant move because one wheel

In my experience a rear locker provides most of the gain.  The front
is rarely required and only on really difficult terrain.  (Like when
dragging the rear diff off a boulder.)

> If lockers give so much, why aren't they standard on Land Rovers?
They are typically much more complex than a standard diff.
So expense plays a large part.

They have a couple significant down sides.  When engaged the it becomes
very, very hard to turn the vehicle.  Similiar to when one leaves the
center diff lock engaged but much more severe.  Under certain conditions
a locker will place twice as much torque on a axle than will ever
be seen with a open diff.   Component failure is likely.  At the very
least long term reliablility is sacraficed due to increased component stress.

> Why are they not standard on any vehicle?
> one locker per axle.
Toyota offers rear lockers on the Land Crusier and FourRunner as options.
 Mercedes on GWagons and UniMogs.  American truck manufactures typically offer
limited  slips to provide a sort of locking differentials function.   The new
Range Rover's traction control provides a limited slip type function using
the brakes. I've heard rumors that LRNA may approve ARB Airlocker as a dealer
installed accessory.  Personally feel that is unlikely but it would be nice.

> what does a typicsl locker set cost per axle?
> I just paid $640 for one axle and $200 for the air pump that runs both front
and rear locker.

> what locker types/options are available?
> I bought a ARB, but there are plethora of them out there.
> When you're on flat ground in young grass and you cant move because one wheel

There are quite a few options out there.  Before commiting to lockers
one should do some homework and understand the many tradeoffs involved.

> thanks, and happy new year to all, lockered or not!
> --
> Adrian Redmond

Hopes this helps.

-Rick

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From: RICK_SNYDER@HP-Andover-om3.om.hp.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 19:14:17 -0700
Subject: Why not Zenith?

Item Subject: cc:Mail Text
I've read with interest the discusion about carbs and am puzzled why nobody 
talked about using the original Zenith.  I just rebuilt a Zenith for my IIA 
and replaced the Rochester that had been in the vehicle.  In rebuilding the 
Zenith I did have to sand down all the facing bodies to correct for the 
warp that seems to happen to the Zenith, but that didn't take very long - I 
just sort of zoned-out with the back-and forth motion over emery cloth on 
glass, and a couple of beers!  The result of the work is truely impressive 
performance with the Zenith.  It runs great even in the recent -10 F 
weather here on a New Hampshire morning.  My Zenith is the model after the 
addition of the cut-off solenoid and before the addition of the 
throtle-prop hardware.  I am finding the Zenith to be a hard-working, true 
to the original carb.

Rick Snyder
'71 IIA
'91 RR

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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 22:06:06 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: 1958 Land Rover

Two weeks ago I bought a 1958 Ser I LWB.  It has 72K miles and a good frame.
Many things to do, but the rebuild will start with the wheels, brakes, etc.  

I have a few questions for anyone who can help:  

a. The 38 year old springs are not bowed or split, just rusty - is there any
reason that they necessarily must be replaced just because they are old?

b.  The brake master cylinder is the single type (no redundant backup
system) and is mounted under the floor.  There is ONE brake line to the rear
(split into two lines with a T at the rear axle); there are two lines to the
front, one to each wheel.  Can or should this be replaced with a more modern
dual master cylinder?  Can anyone recommend a type/model? 

c.  Can anyone recommend aftermarket shocks?  

d.  Do those flat head screws on the wheel drums really turn out clockwise?

Disassembly starts this weekend, but first I have to go to --- Hardware to get 
an impact wrench.

                                                                Denny

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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 00:26:59 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: WARNING!! FOR SALE ITEM FROM ECR. DANGER!

>Dear All,
>        Very quickly...as I know some people get upset with this, but
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
>        Series Coil Chassis Specialists
Be careful, I got kicked off the list because my test message got copied 3
times.  No explanation or anything... and I wasn't even selling anything!

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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